Why Can't I Skip Breakfast?

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  • Novus175
    Novus175 Posts: 80
    Thanks sseqwnp, SugaryLynx, and bcattoes for your insight and info!

    And thanks to kpost323 for your comments.

    :smile:
  • Novus175
    Novus175 Posts: 80
    Hrm. I always start to feel sluggish. I can feel myself slowing down, like a wind-up toy or something. I eat something and almost immediately my energy level goes back up.

    If it's almost immediately, that's all the proof I need to say it's psychological and not physiological.

    I think bcattoes' explanation of low blood glucose is a more likely answer.
  • sseqwnp
    sseqwnp Posts: 327 Member
    Hrm. I always start to feel sluggish. I can feel myself slowing down, like a wind-up toy or something. I eat something and almost immediately my energy level goes back up.

    If it's almost immediately, that's all the proof I need to say it's psychological and not physiological.

    I think bcattoes' explanation of low blood glucose is a more likely answer.

    How does the sugar get into your blood "almost immediately?"

    (it doesn't)
  • shaythep
    shaythep Posts: 73 Member
    Can I skip brunch? What about Linner?
  • Novus175
    Novus175 Posts: 80

    How does the sugar get into your blood "almost immediately?"

    (it doesn't)

    What bcattoes said, "You eat and some of the carbs are quickly digested which raises your blood glucose."
  • _KitKat_
    _KitKat_ Posts: 1,066 Member
    Hrm. I always start to feel sluggish. I can feel myself slowing down, like a wind-up toy or something. I eat something and almost immediately my energy level goes back up.

    If it's almost immediately, that's all the proof I need to say it's psychological and not physiological.

    I think bcattoes' explanation of low blood glucose is a more likely answer.

    How does the sugar get into your blood "almost immediately?"

    (it doesn't)

    Nothing gets into your blood supply instantly, but someone with low blood sugar should feel better within 15 minutes of digesting simple carbs. So macro wise, carbs are the quickest to hit you, if you feel immediately energized while eating....that is all in your head, but blood glucose is normally the answer for improved mental clarity and fatigue after a fasted period.....not everyone has blood glucose issues.
  • sseqwnp
    sseqwnp Posts: 327 Member

    How does the sugar get into your blood "almost immediately?"

    (it doesn't)

    What bcattoes said, "You eat and some of the carbs are quickly digested which raises your blood glucose."

    So you define "almost immediately" as "about 15 minutes"

    Silly me for thinking words had meanings for reasons.

    Then sure.
  • AllOutof_Bubblegum
    AllOutof_Bubblegum Posts: 3,646 Member
    Why do you seem to think that you can't? If skipping breakfast works for you...then do it.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member

    How does the sugar get into your blood "almost immediately?"

    (it doesn't)

    What bcattoes said, "You eat and some of the carbs are quickly digested which raises your blood glucose."

    So you define "almost immediately" as "about 15 minutes"

    Silly me for thinking words had meanings for reasons.

    Then sure.

    Geez, didn't know my word choice would be such a big deal.

    1im·me·di·ate·ly
    adverb \i-ˈmē-dē-ət-lē also -ˈmē-dit-, British often -ˈmē-jit-\

    : with no person or thing in between
    : without any delay

    1al·most
    adverb \ˈȯl-ˌmōst, ȯl-ˈ\

    : only a little less than


    So, yeah, only a little less than without delay. How long exactly would vary from person to person and meal to meal.

    ETA: If you feel energized sooner, then it's likely just your brain heaving a sigh of relief because it knows what is coming.
  • sseqwnp
    sseqwnp Posts: 327 Member
    Hrm. I always start to feel sluggish. I can feel myself slowing down, like a wind-up toy or something. I eat something and almost immediately my energy level goes back up.

    If it's almost immediately, that's all the proof I need to say it's psychological and not physiological.

    I think bcattoes' explanation of low blood glucose is a more likely answer.

    How does the sugar get into your blood "almost immediately?"

    (it doesn't)

    Nothing gets into your blood supply instantly, but someone with low blood sugar should feel better within 15 minutes of digesting simple carbs. So macro wise, carbs are the quickest to hit you, if you feel immediately energized while eating....that is all in your head, but blood glucose is normally the answer for improved mental clarity and fatigue after a fasted period.....not everyone has blood glucose issues.

    Anecdote to follow: When I drink coffee, I feel a zing down my arms, relief in my chest, and better in my head before the first swallow has even hit my stomach. I am aware that this is a psychological reaction to coffee and not a physiological reaction. And it's a sign of addiction. (A physical rush of relief before the drug could have possibly taken effect)

    Maybe shooting stare there's a food addict ;)
  • sseqwnp
    sseqwnp Posts: 327 Member

    How does the sugar get into your blood "almost immediately?"

    (it doesn't)

    What bcattoes said, "You eat and some of the carbs are quickly digested which raises your blood glucose."

    So you define "almost immediately" as "about 15 minutes"

    Silly me for thinking words had meanings for reasons.

    Then sure.

    Geez, didn't know my word choice would be such a big deal.

    1im·me·di·ate·ly
    adverb \i-ˈmē-dē-ət-lē also -ˈmē-dit-, British often -ˈmē-jit-\

    : with no person or thing in between
    : without any delay

    1al·most
    adverb \ˈȯl-ˌmōst, ȯl-ˈ\

    : only a little less than


    So, yeah, only a little less than without delay. How long exactly would vary from person to person and meal to meal.

    Um .. I don't know how to tell you this, but "Almost Immediately" weren't your choice of words. They were Novus' choice of words.

    I disagree with you about the blood sugar, and stand by what I said, but when you start getting butthurt and defending things you didn't even say, It might be time to take a little break.

    Or did we just out one of your sockpuppets?
  • shellemom27
    shellemom27 Posts: 1
    I don't eat a meal asap in the morning, my first meal is around noon, second is around the dinner hour and then a snack at night - still getting a minimum of 3 meals spread out thru the day (I have my account set up for breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, dinner, snack just in case).
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member

    How does the sugar get into your blood "almost immediately?"

    (it doesn't)

    What bcattoes said, "You eat and some of the carbs are quickly digested which raises your blood glucose."

    So you define "almost immediately" as "about 15 minutes"

    Silly me for thinking words had meanings for reasons.

    Then sure.

    Geez, didn't know my word choice would be such a big deal.

    1im·me·di·ate·ly
    adverb \i-ˈmē-dē-ət-lē also -ˈmē-dit-, British often -ˈmē-jit-\

    : with no person or thing in between
    : without any delay

    1al·most
    adverb \ˈȯl-ˌmōst, ȯl-ˈ\

    : only a little less than


    So, yeah, only a little less than without delay. How long exactly would vary from person to person and meal to meal.

    Um .. I don't know how to tell you this, but "Almost Immediately" weren't your choice of words. They were Novus' choice of words.

    I disagree with you about the blood sugar, and stand by what I said, but when you start getting butthurt and defending things you didn't even say, It might be time to take a little break.

    Or did we just out one of your sockpuppets?

    Sorry about the butthurt, I did a lot of one-legged squats earlier. I don't know what the sockpuppet comment means.

    But, some sugars can be absorbed into the blood in less than 15 min. It all depends on the gut and the delivery system. Anyone who has ever eaten a piece of candy on an empty stomach knows it doesn't take long to feel that sugar rush.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    I don't even get out if bed until 10am. I usually workout and then kinda work my way up to eating by noon.

    I have a lolbreakfast meal and usually ota empty but when its not its almost always something I ate after midnight but before going to bed. On the rare occasion I actually eat breakfast I'm always *always* way over my calorie goal. Which is bad.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    Inb4 Jassibear if she hasn't posted already
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    Inb4 Jassibear if she hasn't posted already

    Naw, she banned
  • frangrann
    frangrann Posts: 219 Member
    Skipping breakfast makes you more tired throughout the day and slows down your metabolism. Your body goes into starvation mode because it has no idea when it's getting food next and then when you do eat it stores as much fat and sugar as possible because it's (again) not sure when it's going to get food next.

    No, it doesn't. Starvation mode, as it is advocated on here, does not exist. Adaptive thermogenesis take place after a long period of very low intake (three or four days, at a minimum) not after one night. Your body is smarter than thinking it is starving if you sleep late. Feel free to skip breakfast (there's a large community of people who use intermittent fasting to great effect).


    I skip breakfast everyday. I do have a cup of coffee though!!!! I'm not tired. I work all day and hit the gym at like 4 pm. Whatever works for you.
  • _KitKat_
    _KitKat_ Posts: 1,066 Member
    Skipping breakfast makes you more tired throughout the day and slows down your metabolism. Your body goes into starvation mode because it has no idea when it's getting food next and then when you do eat it stores as much fat and sugar as possible because it's (again) not sure when it's going to get food next.

    Boy am I going to regret this one but.........can you explain to me why you believe this? By being on the forums I would believe that our bodies go into "starvation mode" over every single thing. Thankfully I understand mathmatically this whole scenario as described on these forums is impossible. Instead of attacking and saying how wrong this is, please can you explain why this is correct, why you believe this and what research you have seen to convince you of this enough to try to educate others? Seriously I do want to know and am open to any research backing this or any "starvation mode" views and yes I do understand adaptive thermodynamics, that is not what I am asking about.
  • LITtlerMeCO
    LITtlerMeCO Posts: 130 Member
    What I said the last time this topic came up:

    If I skip breakfast, it's a disaster. I'm chasing the hungries all day long, I make poor food choices, and I just in general feel crappy. So, for me, breakfast is absolutely essential. By morning I have been fasting for 12+ hours so I need fuel to function and get through my day.

    In my opinion, not eating breakfast is like attempting a long roadtrip without stopping at the gas station to fill up the tank. And eating a huge dinner is like filling up the gas tank and then parking the car in the garage. Why put gas in the car if you're not going anywhere?

    I have no science or spiffy research articles to share. (Nor do I have any snarky gifs to post.) This is just what I've found to be true for me.

    Taking a long road trip starting with half a tank of gas doesn't stop the trip...doesn't make your car slower or make it stall out. You put gas in the vehicle when it needs it...maybe the car you are driving needs filled up...others have great gas mileage and can go 250-300 km on half a tank...but it's the drivers choice on when to put gas in that vehicle...and if they choose to do it right before they park who cares it's their gas and their vehicle.

    The point is this...if you like eating within a couple hours of waking up...eat. If you don't...don't.

    It doesn't matter it's a personal choice.

    But there is no science to prove eating within xx# of minutes after getting up kick starts anything...it doesn't make you healthier and it doesn't impede weight loss if you choose to wait 6-8 hours after getting up...

    I just went on a 600 mile road trip we didn't fill the tank until we went halfway (we started with 3/4th of a tank) and we were just fine.
  • LITtlerMeCO
    LITtlerMeCO Posts: 130 Member

    How does the sugar get into your blood "almost immediately?"

    (it doesn't)

    What bcattoes said, "You eat and some of the carbs are quickly digested which raises your blood glucose."

    So you define "almost immediately" as "about 15 minutes"

    Silly me for thinking words had meanings for reasons.

    Then sure.

    Geez, didn't know my word choice would be such a big deal.

    1im·me·di·ate·ly
    adverb \i-ˈmē-dē-ət-lē also -ˈmē-dit-, British often -ˈmē-jit-\

    : with no person or thing in between
    : without any delay

    1al·most
    adverb \ˈȯl-ˌmōst, ȯl-ˈ\

    : only a little less than


    So, yeah, only a little less than without delay. How long exactly would vary from person to person and meal to meal.

    Um .. I don't know how to tell you this, but "Almost Immediately" weren't your choice of words. They were Novus' choice of words.

    I disagree with you about the blood sugar, and stand by what I said, but when you start getting butthurt and defending things you didn't even say, It might be time to take a little break.

    Or did we just out one of your sockpuppets?

    Sorry about the butthurt, I did a lot of one-legged squats earlier. I don't know what the sockpuppet comment means.

    But, some sugars can be absorbed into the blood in less than 15 min. It all depends on the gut and the delivery system. Anyone who has ever eaten a piece of candy on an empty stomach knows it doesn't take long to feel that sugar rush.

    "Sock puppet"--fake account set up so you can agree with yourself. (just a definition, I'm not saying this is what you're doing).
  • Novus175
    Novus175 Posts: 80

    In my opinion, not eating breakfast is like attempting a long roadtrip without stopping at the gas station to fill up the tank.

    I just went on a 600 mile road trip we didn't fill the tank until we went halfway (we started with 3/4th of a tank) and we were just fine.

    My assumption with the analogy was that the gas tank was empty at the start of the trip - ie that in the morning your "gas tank" is empty and you have no fuel. I have been corrected to understand that some people do not have an empty "gas tank" in the morning and therefore have no problems with not eating until later in the day. I, however, need fuel first thing in the morning; my "low fuel" light is always on when I wake up.
  • Novus175
    Novus175 Posts: 80
    I am not a sock puppet. :smile:

    In saying I felt better "immediately" upon eating, my basic thought process was this: you stop being active, you sit down to eat your meal, and within the 15-30 minutes it takes to consume said meal and resume being active, one feels that their energy has been replenished. In other words, when you resume activity the lethargy/sluggishness has vanished.
  • StacyPhillipsTSFLcoach
    StacyPhillipsTSFLcoach Posts: 83 Member
    Studies show that more often than not, people are who overweight or obese are more apt to skip breakfast. I don't know if that is reason enough to HAVE it, but OTHER studies show that people who eat larger less frequent meals tend to add MORE body fat on them than those who don't: http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/most-important-meal

    Then to muddy the waters there is this: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130304-skip-breakfast-pile-on-weight

    I say do what works for you. Throwing a log on the fire of your metabolism within about an hour of waking up may rev it up a little bit for a slightly higher net burn through the day, but is there concrete evidence of this association? Elisabetta Politi, RD, MPH, nutrition manager for the Duke Diet & Fitness Center at Duke University Medical School says YES.

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/lose-weight-eat-breakfast

    All in all, the WORST thing you can do is save all your calories for dinner. You go to bed and your bod has no reason to use that energy you just ate...and will simply store it as fat.
  • tracydr
    tracydr Posts: 528 Member
    Sometimes I wait until 10-11 in the morning. When I'm hungry, I have a combined breakfast,lunch. This is easier on days at home than on work days.
    If I have a big brunch, it works well to keep me satisfied until dinner.
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  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
    Studies show that more often than not, people are who overweight or obese are more apt to skip breakfast. I don't know if that is reason enough to HAVE it, but OTHER studies show that people who eat larger less frequent meals tend to add MORE body fat on them than those who don't: http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/most-important-meal

    Then to muddy the waters there is this: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130304-skip-breakfast-pile-on-weight

    I say do what works for you. Throwing a log on the fire of your metabolism within about an hour of waking up may rev it up a little bit for a slightly higher net burn through the day, but is there concrete evidence of this association? This study says yes:

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/lose-weight-eat-breakfast

    All in all, the WORST thing you can do is save all your calories for dinner. You go to bed and your bod has gotten no reason to use that energy you just ate...and will simply store it as fat.
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    Doesn't matter when you eat your calories. If your TDEE is 2500, and you eat 2000 for breakfast and nothing else, 500 cal deficit. Same applies if you ate them all at dinner. Your body, nor calories, cannot tell the time. Metabolism doesn't drop between meals - that happens after about 72 hours of not eating.
  • StacyPhillipsTSFLcoach
    StacyPhillipsTSFLcoach Posts: 83 Member
    Yes, even in a calorie deficit. Your body doesn't operate on a "24-hour diet clock" that magically resets at midnight. Enzymes and hormones are produced throughout the day in response to what you are eating or not eating, it doesn't just total everything up at midnight and reset for the next day. If you put your body in a constant "famine-then-feast" situation, it will adapt and begin to simply store the calories you ate for dinner as fat if you don't need them right away. Your body doesn't just let all those absorbed calories float around in your blood all night, insulin is produced and what you don't utilize is converted to fat and stored. She asked if it mattered, and research says it does.

    But if you don't agree with me that is fine too. I look at research, I have a degree in Human Nutrition and am obtaining my Masters in Obesity Prevention and Management, but what the heck do I know? Quoting Fargo "I'm not gonna debate you Jerry...."
  • bethira
    bethira Posts: 132 Member
    Personally it would kill me to not eat a morning meal. I'm definitely one of those 6 small meals a day kind of people. That's what works for me. If a morning meal doesn't work for you, don't eat it. As long as you're not going over (or significantly under) your calories for the day, and as long as you're hitting your macros, it truly doesn't matter when you eat. Enjoy your 1:00pm break fast and don't worry about "supposed to" so much.

    Also, can someone please explain the sockpuppet thing? Did I miss a meme? My kids will make fun of me.
  • Athijade
    Athijade Posts: 3,300 Member
    Yes, even in a calorie deficit. Your body doesn't operate on a "24-hour diet clock" that magically resets at midnight. Enzymes and hormones are produced throughout the day in response to what you are eating or not eating, it doesn't just total everything up at midnight and reset for the next day. If you put your body in a constant "famine-then-feast" situation, it will adapt and begin to simply store the calories you ate for dinner as fat if you don't need them right away. Your body doesn't just let all those absorbed calories float around in your blood all night, insulin is produced and what you don't utilize is converted to fat and stored. She asked if it mattered, and research says it does.

    But if you don't agree with me that is fine too. I look at research, I have a degree in Human Nutrition and am obtaining my Masters in Obesity Prevention and Management, but what the heck do I know? Quoting Fargo "I'm not gonna debate you Jerry...."

    I have done my own research, have read multiple current articles, and have come to the educated conclusion that meal timing and frequency have no impact on weight loss or metabolic weight. People have already posted a few links of this or you can use the search feature to find more.

    If you are running a calorie deficit then weight loss will happen. Period. Unless you don't obey the laws of physics.

    Also, I am not some dang car. Lord, I hate that analogy.
  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member
    Yes, even in a calorie deficit. Your body doesn't operate on a "24-hour diet clock" that magically resets at midnight. Enzymes and hormones are produced throughout the day in response to what you are eating or not eating, it doesn't just total everything up at midnight and reset for the next day. If you put your body in a constant "famine-then-feast" situation, it will adapt and begin to simply store the calories you ate for dinner as fat if you don't need them right away. Your body doesn't just let all those absorbed calories float around in your blood all night, insulin is produced and what you don't utilize is converted to fat and stored. She asked if it mattered, and research says it does.

    But if you don't agree with me that is fine too. I look at research, I have a degree in Human Nutrition and am obtaining my Masters in Obesity Prevention and Management, but what the heck do I know? Quoting Fargo "I'm not gonna debate you Jerry...."
    How do you explain all the people who follow Intermittent Fasting and maintain extremely low body fat levels? Doesn't "feast and famine" happen over the course of days without food?

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