Hugh Jackman Deadlifts 400 pounds

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  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member


    Improve your cns? Lol no. They'll wreck your cns and impair growth unless you have a very well thought out routine

    that could easily be said about ANY poorly laid out heavy/intense lifting program.

    Sometimes my program has me squat 6 times a week. still doing okay.

    Squats have about zero relevance. Deadlifts are much more cns taxing. Do any successful powerlifters, let alone bodybuilders, make good progress Deadlifting twice a week? Nevet heard of a single one who preferred that over once evey week or better yet, every 2weeks. 6x weekly and you'll be removing weight every workout. Couple that with a volume bodybuilding split and deadlifts every week or more are just plain stupid if mass is the goal.

    But sure, give it a shot. /shrug

    Ill take experience over misinterpreted research any day
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    now you're putting qualifiers on it.


    I'm not saying go ham ALL the time every lift ever day- but there are several programs that repeat lifts- I'm running Sheiko- and it's got a lot of everything in it- multiple times. (squat bench squat bench son)

    DLing serves a purpose- but it's not for everyone's needs to fit their goals. But to just broadly say that they wreck your CNS and inhibit growth- that's just way to broad of a brush to be painting the canvas with me thinks.
  • Aemely
    Aemely Posts: 694 Member
    Just to girly this thread out a bit, Hugh Jackman was even hot back in his pre-Wolverine singin' days! :love:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS0NPYH_pGw#t=0m47s

    Don't mess with Curly!
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  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    What research shows adding deads to a bodybuilding routine improves cns recovery and increases growth? None. And mosy bodybuilders will tell you based on experience that it can often hurt.

    Good luck developong a bodybuilding routine that relies solely on peer-reviewed research. There isnt much of it in this world

    Not how it works there bub. You made an outlandish claim, back it.
  • jimmmer
    jimmmer Posts: 3,515 Member
    Pavel's Russian Bear programme is volume deadlifting and pressing 3 x week. That's touted as a hypertrophy programme, isn't it?

    Oh, and congrats to Hugh. Nice job!
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,028 Member
    I don't know a single person who used strength-oriented program and couldn't do 400+ in over 2 years.
    in fact I could do 3 plate(315) in little over than year,
    Well you can't say that anymore. I've never done more than 365lbs and that was in my 20's with at least 5 years under my belt.

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  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    I don't know a single person who used strength-oriented program and couldn't do 400+ in over 2 years.
    in fact I could do 3 plate(315) in little over than year,
    Well you can't say that anymore. I've never done more than 365lbs and that was in my 20's with at least 5 years under my belt.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    for 1 rep or 10? :smile:
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,028 Member
    I don't know a single person who used strength-oriented program and couldn't do 400+ in over 2 years.
    in fact I could do 3 plate(315) in little over than year,
    Well you can't say that anymore. I've never done more than 365lbs and that was in my 20's with at least 5 years under my belt.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    for 1 rep or 10? :smile:
    Single. Even squatting I never got more than 325lbs for a full squat. Of course, I'm a bodybuilder and not a powerlifter, but still tried to improve on poundages to get bigger.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    Do any successful powerlifters, let alone bodybuilders, make good progress Deadlifting twice a week?

    to play devil's advocate, Andy Bolton's program is 3x a week deadlifting.

    I agree with you though. As soon as you can lift a decent amount going heavy more than 1x a week is generally not going to be very beneficial as it is very hard to recover from.

    That, and: http://www.deepsquatter.com/strength/archives/korte.htm


    So, yes - quite a few successful powerlifters have used at least 2x per week deadlifting.

    Not that that truly means anything, because this is now (ok - has been, for a while) a (few) silly argument(s).
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    Squats have about zero relevance. Deadlifts are much more cns taxing. Do any successful powerlifters, let alone bodybuilders, make good progress Deadlifting twice a week? Nevet heard of a single one who preferred that over once evey week or better yet, every 2weeks. 6x weekly and you'll be removing weight every workout. Couple that with a volume bodybuilding split and deadlifts every week or more are just plain stupid if mass is the goal.

    I'm sure glad my body recognized the difference between picking up up-to-120 pound bales of hay off the ground/putting them on a waist-high trailer and deadlifting. Otherwise, by the end of the hay season, I wouldn't have been able to pick up even the lighter bales.
  • rogerOb1
    rogerOb1 Posts: 318 Member
    Squats have about zero relevance. Deadlifts are much more cns taxing. Do any successful powerlifters, let alone bodybuilders, make good progress Deadlifting twice a week? Nevet heard of a single one who preferred that over once evey week or better yet, every 2weeks. 6x weekly and you'll be removing weight every workout. Couple that with a volume bodybuilding split and deadlifts every week or more are just plain stupid if mass is the goal.

    I'm sure glad my body recognized the difference between picking up up-to-120 pound bales of hay off the ground/putting them on a waist-high trailer and deadlifting. Otherwise, by the end of the hay season, I wouldn't have been able to pick up even the lighter bales.

    Of course working isn't the same as working out....which isn't the same as elite training. He does have a point about too much heavy deadlifting being taxing on the cns, but like just about everything else in this thread, his point has been over-exaggerated.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    ANYTHING can be over done and set back gains.

    It wasn't a little over the top- it was completely blown out of proportion because it was like saying all cars have wheels.

    Well no *kitten* sherlock.

    ANY program done with to much of X and not enough rest will impede your gains.
  • rogerOb1
    rogerOb1 Posts: 318 Member
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/521854-how-much-are-you-supposed-to-deadlift-for-your-body-weight/

    They have a pretty low standard of Elite imo.

    If its anything like the chart that was was going around before, their definition of elite was "strong enough to compete", and if the other stat that was on this thread is anything to go by, that's possibly in the top 1% of the planet strength-wise.
  • rogerOb1
    rogerOb1 Posts: 318 Member
    ANYTHING can be over done and set back gains.

    It wasn't a little over the top- it was completely blown out of proportion because it was like saying all cars have wheels.

    Well no *kitten* sherlock.

    ANY program done with to much of X and not enough rest will impede your gains.

    Sure, but it wasn't about "ANY program done with to much of X" - the point was specifically about deadlifting heavy - a lot of elite athletes' coaches wont have them in their program because the effects on the cns mess up the athletes recovery to the point of making them inefficient to include. The same wouldn't apply to the other lifts. Beyond that, lots of exaggeration.


    Edit: talking about sportsmen/athletes not power-lifters etc.
  • jimmmer
    jimmmer Posts: 3,515 Member
    ANYTHING can be over done and set back gains.

    It wasn't a little over the top- it was completely blown out of proportion because it was like saying all cars have wheels.

    Well no *kitten* sherlock.

    ANY program done with to much of X and not enough rest will impede your gains.

    Sure, but it wasn't about "ANY program done with to much of X" - the point was specifically about deadlifting heavy - a lot of elite athletes' coaches wont have them in their program because the effects on the cns mess up the athletes recovery to the point of making them inefficient to include. The same wouldn't apply to the other lifts. Beyond that, lots of exaggeration.


    Edit: talking about sportsmen/athletes not power-lifters etc.

    Barry Ross uses deadlifting 3x week with his sprinters....
  • rogerOb1
    rogerOb1 Posts: 318 Member


    Barry Ross uses deadlifting 3x week with his sprinters....

    Yup - I wasn't making a blanket statement - there will always be some folks who buck trends - but not everyone uses his methods. He keeps the DLs heavy & the volumes very low I think.
  • dubird
    dubird Posts: 1,849 Member
    Sorry, saw the title and this is the first thing that came to mind. XD

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/hugh_jackman
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    Ok, quick update.
    Deadlifts today
    315# x 5 reps, no straps.
    350# x 4 w/ straps
    330# x 5 w/ straps
  • MagnumBurrito
    MagnumBurrito Posts: 1,070 Member
    Ok, quick update.
    Deadlifts today
    315# x 5 reps, no straps.
    350# x 4 w/ straps
    330# x 5 w/ straps

    Just curious, what grip are you using for each?
  • jimmmer
    jimmmer Posts: 3,515 Member


    Barry Ross uses deadlifting 3x week with his sprinters....

    Yup - I wasn't making a blanket statement - there will always be some folks who buck trends - but not everyone uses his methods. He keeps the DLs heavy & the volumes very low I think.

    Yep. 3x3 with 85-90% of 1RM (Plus plyo work). No warm up sets. 3x week... Extremely low volume. Basically follows Pavel and Dan John's rule of ten.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    Pavel's Russian Bear programme is volume deadlifting and pressing 3 x week. That's touted as a hypertrophy programme, isn't it?

    Oh, and congrats to Hugh. Nice job!

    hmm, which definition of bear is ol' Pav using?
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    Ok, quick update.
    Deadlifts today
    315# x 5 reps, no straps.
    350# x 4 w/ straps
    330# x 5 w/ straps

    Just curious, what grip are you using for each?

    315 was over/over
    350 and 330 over/under
  • jimmmer
    jimmmer Posts: 3,515 Member
    Pavel's Russian Bear programme is volume deadlifting and pressing 3 x week. That's touted as a hypertrophy programme, isn't it?

    Oh, and congrats to Hugh. Nice job!

    hmm, which definition of bear is ol' Pav using?

    Big guy, hairy, leather? :laugh:
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    Pavel's Russian Bear programme is volume deadlifting and pressing 3 x week. That's touted as a hypertrophy programme, isn't it?

    Oh, and congrats to Hugh. Nice job!

    hmm, which definition of bear is ol' Pav using?

    Big guy, hairy, leather? :laugh:
    I'll have to get this program.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    Ok, quick update.
    Deadlifts today
    315# x 5 reps, no straps.
    350# x 4 w/ straps
    330# x 5 w/ straps

    Just curious, what grip are you using for each?

    315 was over/over
    350 and 330 over/under

    Try that 330 with a hook grip (*kitten* grip) and give it a pull.
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
    Ok, quick update.
    Deadlifts today
    315# x 5 reps, no straps.
    350# x 4 w/ straps
    330# x 5 w/ straps

    Just curious, what grip are you using for each?

    315 was over/over
    350 and 330 over/under

    Try that 330 with a hook grip (*kitten* grip) and give it a pull.

    Now hook grip hurts my thumb. The video I was watching said well yeah man up LOL. over/over grip for me seems to increase my grip strength just fine.
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member
    Ok, quick update.
    Deadlifts today
    315# x 5 reps, no straps.
    350# x 4 w/ straps
    330# x 5 w/ straps

    Just curious, what grip are you using for each?

    315 was over/over
    350 and 330 over/under

    Try that 330 with a hook grip (*kitten* grip) and give it a pull.

    How is that one done??
    Have not seen that grip.
    Is it wear you wrap the thumb inside the fingers?
  • jimmmer
    jimmmer Posts: 3,515 Member
    Ok, quick update.
    Deadlifts today
    315# x 5 reps, no straps.
    350# x 4 w/ straps
    330# x 5 w/ straps

    Just curious, what grip are you using for each?

    315 was over/over
    350 and 330 over/under

    Try that 330 with a hook grip (*kitten* grip) and give it a pull.

    How is that one done??
    Have not seen that grip.
    Is it wear you wrap the thumb inside the fingers?

    Like when you do a snatch: you basically wrap your fingers around the bar and your thumb.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    Ok, quick update.
    Deadlifts today
    315# x 5 reps, no straps.
    350# x 4 w/ straps
    330# x 5 w/ straps

    Just curious, what grip are you using for each?

    315 was over/over
    350 and 330 over/under

    Try that 330 with a hook grip (*kitten* grip) and give it a pull.

    fug that noise. straps before hook grip for me! I'm a weenie!
  • MityMax96
    MityMax96 Posts: 5,778 Member


    How is that one done??
    Have not seen that grip.
    Is it wear you wrap the thumb inside the fingers?

    Like when you do a snatch: you basically wrap your fingers around the bar and your thumb.

    Yeah, I will stick w/ straps then
    That grip feels very awkward to me.
    I don't think I do any exercises w/ that grip, my thumb always lays across the bar.
    Dumbbells I do wrap around though.
  • rogerOb1
    rogerOb1 Posts: 318 Member


    Barry Ross uses deadlifting 3x week with his sprinters....

    Yup - I wasn't making a blanket statement - there will always be some folks who buck trends - but not everyone uses his methods. He keeps the DLs heavy & the volumes very low I think.

    Yep. 3x3 with 85-90% of 1RM (Plus plyo work). No warm up sets. 3x week... Extremely low volume. Basically follows Pavel and Dan John's rule of ten.

    No warm up sets? Sounds interesting. Sounds risky @ 85-90%. How does it work (Im assuming they do something to prep for it)?

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