Hugh Jackman Deadlifts 400 pounds
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Someone please tell me when I'm going to have the opportunity to use my 500 pound grip strength in the real world. What world are you folks living in where you need to grip 200+ pounds? Is it a Flintstones couch?
Why did I train with straps? WHY???
in all fairness though....
It is the gloves fault....and hers for wearing them....
Not him using straps.....
Just sayin.
THEY DIDN"T EVEN MATCH HER CARGO BACKPACK. she got what she deserved
:happy: :drinker:
I was just messing around.
I have no problem with training with straps. I am not lifting heavy enough to need them yet but it may be something I will need to consider in the future.0 -
So legit question.
Why is a belt ok?
But straps aren't?
Don't both provide aid in a lift?
Are wrist wraps ok?
Do you need them? NO
I used to use a belt for squats. I do not anymore. Wrist wraps I do not use either. What I do want to test is the girl on your lap bench press?
Pants off.
Pre or post dance off?
what about a pants off dance off? where you gotta dance OUT of your pants. win win everywhere.Sorry but for me right now, my want for abs is in conflict with my want for size.....so til Feb, I guess abs get the back seat......sad sad sad
I'll forgive you- you still have fab pictures up- so I'll take it. I'm trying to get mine back from my bulk. I started to high- but goal accomplished- 300 lb DL. back to chasing abs for me now.0 -
So legit question.
Why is a belt ok?
But straps aren't?
Don't both provide aid in a lift?
Are wrist wraps ok?
Do you need them? NO
I used to use a belt for squats. I do not anymore. Wrist wraps I do not use either. What I do want to test is the girl on your lap bench press?
Pants off.
Pre or post dance off?
Well you heard the study that like having a girl or guy( if that your preference) sit on your lap while you lift is beneficial?0 -
I'll forgive you- you still have fab pictures up- so I'll take it. I'm trying to get mine back from my bulk. I started to high- but goal accomplished- 300 lb DL. back to chasing abs for me now.
Wow!!!:noway: :noway:
Awesome job, way to get it.:drinker: :drinker:
Congrats
Did you have the same kind of mental frustrations during your bulk, watching your abs fade??
Cause damn I sure am.....I almost want to say screw the bulk and go back to being lean and defined0 -
You mean any day that ends in the letter y.So legit question.
Why is a belt ok?
But straps aren't?
Don't both provide aid in a lift?
Are wrist wraps ok?
Do you need them? NO
I used to use a belt for squats. I do not anymore. Wrist wraps I do not use either. What I do want to test is the girl on your lap bench press?
Pants off.
Pre or post dance off?
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Why did I train with straps? WHY???
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Who is this Hugh Jackman? I need photographic evidence of his existence, please.
lol
I first read this as "pornographic evidene" and I was like, 'YES PLEASE' then I saw my error. So clearly my mind is elsewhere when the subject of Hugh Jackman comes up. lol.0 -
I'll forgive you- you still have fab pictures up- so I'll take it. I'm trying to get mine back from my bulk. I started to high- but goal accomplished- 300 lb DL. back to chasing abs for me now.
Wow!!!:noway: :noway:
Awesome job, way to get it.:drinker: :drinker:
Congrats
Did you have the same kind of mental frustrations during your bulk, watching your abs fade??
Cause damn I sure am.....I almost want to say screw the bulk and go back to being lean and defined
yes yes yes.
We have this converstation in the bulk forum I"m on- and it often looks like this
Buy stretchy pants
Tell your SO- tell them its' going to be ugly and you'll whine
Buy stretchy pants
set a window of bulk- a min and a max- will help you to keep from bailing out before too soon and on a day when you want to abandon ship.
buy more stretchy pants
pack your jeans away the first month or two you're there.
Bulk over winter
buy more stretchy pants.
Be fickle in tracking- it's easy to cheat yourself subconsciously- because of all that.
seriously. its' not as "easy" as people like to make it out to be- the steps are easy- but fighting the confidence and sheer power of will to get through it are big.
You can do it- thing of how swole you'll be!!!!!!0 -
I quite believe that only 1% of the population can deadlift 400lbs, however, a lot of people don't lift. I don't believe that only that small amount of (male) lifters who put a significant amount of effort into their deadlift will achieve that weight. I don't know what the % is but I'd bet money it's way more than 1%.
I started 5x5 back last November. I think my first deadlift was 135. I've changed up my program since but for my deadlift I've pretty much been adding 5lbs a week (10 lately) for at least 1 max rep and I'm just got 365lbs this past Saturday. Your interpretation of the stat kind of echos my sentiment. Does it mean total population, males and females? Does it take into account children? Does it mean 1% of lifters? As you implied, all it takes is a little focus and decent gains can be made relatively quickly.
He's exaggerating, 400lbs deadlift is nothing special.
Anyone who lifted more than 2 years and sticked to proper routine can do 400lbs for reps.
The ability of being able to lift that is highly dependent on size, gender and genetics.
Any healthy male over 160lbs should be able to deadlift 405 after 2 years.0 -
I quite believe that only 1% of the population can deadlift 400lbs, however, a lot of people don't lift. I don't believe that only that small amount of (male) lifters who put a significant amount of effort into their deadlift will achieve that weight. I don't know what the % is but I'd bet money it's way more than 1%.
I started 5x5 back last November. I think my first deadlift was 135. I've changed up my program since but for my deadlift I've pretty much been adding 5lbs a week (10 lately) for at least 1 max rep and I'm just got 365lbs this past Saturday. Your interpretation of the stat kind of echos my sentiment. Does it mean total population, males and females? Does it take into account children? Does it mean 1% of lifters? As you implied, all it takes is a little focus and decent gains can be made relatively quickly.
He's exaggerating, 400lbs deadlift is nothing special.
Anyone who lifted more than 2 years and sticked to proper routine can do 400lbs for reps.
The ability of being able to lift that is highly dependent on size, gender and genetics.
Any healthy male over 160lbs should be able to deadlift 405 after 2 years.
I love blanket statements like this.0 -
Even if for some reason you decide to train for aesthetics, deadlifts(along with squats) are extremely important if you want to get big, not only that they hit several muscle the hardest but they will also improve your CNS.I think you're assuming that everyone cares about grip strength though. If you're training for aesthetics, it's questionable whether you even want to do deadlifts to begin with, much less a bunch of grip work just to improve your ability to do strapless deadlifts. If you're training for power lifting or strong man though, of course grip strength is very important.
Improve your cns? Lol no. They'll wreck your cns and impair growth unless you have a very well thought out routine0 -
I'll forgive you- you still have fab pictures up- so I'll take it. I'm trying to get mine back from my bulk. I started to high- but goal accomplished- 300 lb DL. back to chasing abs for me now.
Wow!!!:noway: :noway:
Awesome job, way to get it.:drinker: :drinker:
Congrats
Did you have the same kind of mental frustrations during your bulk, watching your abs fade??
Cause damn I sure am.....I almost want to say screw the bulk and go back to being lean and defined
yes yes yes.
We have this converstation in the bulk forum I"m on- and it often looks like this
Buy stretchy pants
Tell your SO- tell them its' going to be ugly and you'll whine
Buy stretchy pants
set a window of bulk- a min and a max- will help you to keep from bailing out before too soon and on a day when you want to abandon ship.
buy more stretchy pants
pack your jeans away the first month or two you're there.
Bulk over winter
buy more stretchy pants.
Be fickle in tracking- it's easy to cheat yourself subconsciously- because of all that.
seriously. its' not as "easy" as people like to make it out to be- the steps are easy- but fighting the confidence and sheer power of will to get through it are big.
You can do it- thing of how swole you'll be!!!!!!
Ok, glad I ain't the only one then.....
Cause this freaking SUX!!!!
The eating Is fun I guess....to some extent.....
And I am hoping by the end I will be "swole"....cause I have never really been able to pack on muscle....
Prolly guess cause I never really put in a focused effort......
But now, trying to go up in weight is not fun.....kills my joints.0 -
Even if for some reason you decide to train for aesthetics, deadlifts(along with squats) are extremely important if you want to get big, not only that they hit several muscle the hardest but they will also improve your CNS.I think you're assuming that everyone cares about grip strength though. If you're training for aesthetics, it's questionable whether you even want to do deadlifts to begin with, much less a bunch of grip work just to improve your ability to do strapless deadlifts. If you're training for power lifting or strong man though, of course grip strength is very important.
Improve your cns? Lol no. They'll wreck your cns and impair growth unless you have a very well thought out routine
deadlifts wreck your cns and impair growth?
Ok, based on what peer reviewed research?0 -
Ok, glad I ain't the only one then.....
Cause this freaking SUX!!!!
The eating Is fun I guess....to some extent.....
And I am hoping by the end I will be "swole"....cause I have never really been able to pack on muscle....
Prolly guess cause I never really put in a focused effort......
But now, trying to go up in weight is not fun.....kills my joints.
yeah- it's not as fun as people think- i mean eating all the foods is- till you can't wear ANYTHING.
I lived in stretchy dresses through the winter and everyone was like WTF is wrong with you... <cry cry> nothing fits.
Birthday was in Feb- BF was taking me to dinner- said where something you don't mind getting dirty <questionmarks>
so I stuffed myself into jeans- got in the car- figured we were going to all you can eat Brazillian... half way there I was so upset about being in my pants that were uncomfortable to sit in... so I made him stop at Target so I could buy new pants (none of them fit- so double wammy) and just ate dinner with my top button unbuttoned.
Tried to make the most of it- we went to the after dinner thing- got home and he had THREE EFFING BIRTHDAY CAKES for me.
Fortunately I was still bulking- but still- mentally it was almost more than I could take. It is to date the most memorable and worse day of my bulk.
give yourself a minimum time line- you can put on the weight- you'll be very happy with yourself- it just sucks getting there!Improve your cns? Lol no. They'll wreck your cns and impair growth unless you have a very well thought out routine
that could easily be said about ANY poorly laid out heavy/intense lifting program.
Sometimes my program has me squat 6 times a week. still doing okay.0 -
Wow! Lots of good back and forth going on here. This is the first time one of my posts ended up longer than 1 page.
I use straps a lot. I'm 49 and I haven't deadlifted in a while, but I may start doing it again. I've tried to build up my grip strength from time to time. Eventually, I get blisters under my callouses and it hurts too much to lift. The straps make quite a difference. For instance, I can barbell shrug 315 for 8-10 reps with straps. Without straps, I would probably use 275 for 6-7 reps and my forearms would be burning and I would barely feel anything in my traps. With or without straps, my grip strength increases as long as I'm working out consistently.
I have never used anabolic steroids or growth hormone. I've been taking one pump of Androgel to keep my testosterone in the mid 500 range for about 6 years. The Androgel never felt like it helped my lifting much, but I wouldn't mind if it did.0 -
I'm a 6'1" 40-something and went from not lifting at all to DLing 5 reps at 325 pounds over the space of about 4 months. Legs, back, core etc felt fine, it was my grip that gave out (I don't use belts/straps/etc). This while in a caloric deficit, where I was dropping about 1.5 pounds a week. No, I wasn't gaining appreciable amounts of muscle, but I could feel myself learning how to get "explosive" (ie, CNS improvements).0
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Even if for some reason you decide to train for aesthetics, deadlifts(along with squats) are extremely important if you want to get big, not only that they hit several muscle the hardest but they will also improve your CNS.I think you're assuming that everyone cares about grip strength though. If you're training for aesthetics, it's questionable whether you even want to do deadlifts to begin with, much less a bunch of grip work just to improve your ability to do strapless deadlifts. If you're training for power lifting or strong man though, of course grip strength is very important.
Improve your cns? Lol no. They'll wreck your cns and impair growth unless you have a very well thought out routine
deadlifts wreck your cns and impair growth?
Ok, based on what peer reviewed research?
What research shows adding deads to a bodybuilding routine improves cns recovery and increases growth? None. And mosy bodybuilders will tell you based on experience that it can often hurt.
Good luck developong a bodybuilding routine that relies solely on peer-reviewed research. There isnt much of it in this world0 -
[/quote]Improve your cns? Lol no. They'll wreck your cns and impair growth unless you have a very well thought out routine
that could easily be said about ANY poorly laid out heavy/intense lifting program.
Sometimes my program has me squat 6 times a week. still doing okay.
Squats have about zero relevance. Deadlifts are much more cns taxing. Do any successful powerlifters, let alone bodybuilders, make good progress Deadlifting twice a week? Nevet heard of a single one who preferred that over once evey week or better yet, every 2weeks. 6x weekly and you'll be removing weight every workout. Couple that with a volume bodybuilding split and deadlifts every week or more are just plain stupid if mass is the goal.
But sure, give it a shot. /shrug
Ill take experience over misinterpreted research any day0 -
I've already had this discussion with Mity through messages, but what I intended by my comments earlier in the thread is exactly what trojan is saying. Not everyone uses deadlifts as a primary builder because deadlifts are pretty much the most taxing exercise out there, and while that can be good for many purposes, they're not optimal for every goal and every person. Some people are going to see better results doing deadlifts infrequently and focusing on less-taxing exercises that help pack on mass and that they can do more frequently (i.e., because they're less taxing). For a beginning lifter looking to put on mass quickly, deadlifts are great. For a powerlifting competitor, they're a no brainer (although even then, as trojan points out, a lot of routines will program DLs maybe once a week yet you might squat 6x a week). For an advanced bodybuilder, I'd say it's a maybe and it depends on your programming, but a lot of the top guys do not do them routinely. And that's not to say those guys can't go out and pull a stupid amount of weight on any given day - it's just that they don't always do it routinely because it's not always optimal for their goals. You see a lot of football coaches recommending against deadlifts for similar reasons (taxing on CNS, risk of injury, etc.).
Really though, I'm not anti-deadlift, not even in the slightest - I do them myself and never intended my comments to be read as "don't lift heavy and never do deadlifts" or even how the discussion went down that road. But while I may personally think that deadlifts are a good choice for many people, I'm just saying they're not optimal as a primary builder and for every training program regardless of the person's goals. As I said to Mity though, as popular as DLs are around here, I should have known better than to ever suggest that deadlifts might not always be optimal on a public forum. :laugh:0 -
Ok, glad I ain't the only one then.....
Cause this freaking SUX!!!!
The eating Is fun I guess....to some extent.....
And I am hoping by the end I will be "swole"....cause I have never really been able to pack on muscle....
Prolly guess cause I never really put in a focused effort......
But now, trying to go up in weight is not fun.....kills my joints.
yeah- it's not as fun as people think- i mean eating all the foods is- till you can't wear ANYTHING.
I lived in stretchy dresses through the winter and everyone was like WTF is wrong with you... <cry cry> nothing fits.
Birthday was in Feb- BF was taking me to dinner- said where something you don't mind getting dirty <questionmarks>
so I stuffed myself into jeans- got in the car- figured we were going to all you can eat Brazillian... half way there I was so upset about being in my pants that were uncomfortable to sit in... so I made him stop at Target so I could buy new pants (none of them fit- so double wammy) and just ate dinner with my top button unbuttoned.
Tried to make the most of it- we went to the after dinner thing- got home and he had THREE EFFING BIRTHDAY CAKES for me.
Fortunately I was still bulking- but still- mentally it was almost more than I could take. It is to date the most memorable and worse day of my bulk.
give yourself a minimum time line- you can put on the weight- you'll be very happy with yourself- it just sucks getting
Roger that.
I am gonna stick it out. Trying for February.
But it has been very nice fitting into some of my pants again.0 -
Improve your cns? Lol no. They'll wreck your cns and impair growth unless you have a very well thought out routine
that could easily be said about ANY poorly laid out heavy/intense lifting program.
Sometimes my program has me squat 6 times a week. still doing okay.
Squats have about zero relevance. Deadlifts are much more cns taxing. Do any successful powerlifters, let alone bodybuilders, make good progress Deadlifting twice a week? Nevet heard of a single one who preferred that over once evey week or better yet, every 2weeks. 6x weekly and you'll be removing weight every workout. Couple that with a volume bodybuilding split and deadlifts every week or more are just plain stupid if mass is the goal.
But sure, give it a shot. /shrug
Ill take experience over misinterpreted research any day
Actually, there are quite a few who dead more than once a week.
Edited to fix quotes.0 -
Even if for some reason you decide to train for aesthetics, deadlifts(along with squats) are extremely important if you want to get big, not only that they hit several muscle the hardest but they will also improve your CNS.I think you're assuming that everyone cares about grip strength though. If you're training for aesthetics, it's questionable whether you even want to do deadlifts to begin with, much less a bunch of grip work just to improve your ability to do strapless deadlifts. If you're training for power lifting or strong man though, of course grip strength is very important.
Improve your cns? Lol no. They'll wreck your cns and impair growth unless you have a very well thought out routine
deadlifts wreck your cns and impair growth?
Ok, based on what peer reviewed research?
What research shows adding deads to a bodybuilding routine improves cns recovery and increases growth? None. And mosy bodybuilders will tell you based on experience that it can often hurt.
Good luck developong a bodybuilding routine that relies solely on peer-reviewed research. There isnt much of it in this world
Shhhh! You're not supposed to say that here. Peer reviewed research and links are the end all be all of the mfp forums. And woe be onto those that ever speak against deadlifts. Deadlifts are religion here. Are you trying to get your forum pass revoked?0 -
Do any successful powerlifters, let alone bodybuilders, make good progress Deadlifting twice a week? Nevet heard of a single one who preferred that over once evey week or better yet, every 2weeks.
I'd be willing to bet there are successful deadlifters who pull at varying intensities and volumes twice per week. Such as 1 heavy and 1 speed day or a similar set up. I also know for a fact that some very successful prep coaches have at least some of their athletes pulling twice/week. But it's typically not 2 heavy-*kitten* sessions.0 -
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I'm going for that elite status.0 -
So legit question.
Why is a belt ok?
But straps aren't?
Don't both provide aid in a lift?
Are wrist wraps ok?
For PL comps, because a belt is allowed and straps aren't. And yes, wrist wraps are allowed.
For general fitness, do whatever you want but don't claim it as a "raw" lift. That is why people have gym PR's and comp PR's as a comp PR is judged to a certain standard ie. no hitching on a deadlift. Refer to strongman/crossfit for a good demonstration of hitching
p.s.not natty. If you got paid a gazillion $ to look good on screen, I think you'd do anything you could do ensure that happens.0 -
They have a pretty low standard of Elite imo.0 -
Do any successful powerlifters, let alone bodybuilders, make good progress Deadlifting twice a week?
to play devil's advocate, Andy Bolton's program is 3x a week deadlifting.
I agree with you though. As soon as you can lift a decent amount going heavy more than 1x a week is generally not going to be very beneficial as it is very hard to recover from.0 -
Even if for some reason you decide to train for aesthetics, deadlifts(along with squats) are extremely important if you want to get big, not only that they hit several muscle the hardest but they will also improve your CNS.I think you're assuming that everyone cares about grip strength though. If you're training for aesthetics, it's questionable whether you even want to do deadlifts to begin with, much less a bunch of grip work just to improve your ability to do strapless deadlifts. If you're training for power lifting or strong man though, of course grip strength is very important.
Improve your cns? Lol no. They'll wreck your cns and impair growth unless you have a very well thought out routine
deadlifts wreck your cns and impair growth?
Ok, based on what peer reviewed research?
What research shows adding deads to a bodybuilding routine improves cns recovery and increases growth? None. And mosy bodybuilders will tell you based on experience that it can often hurt.
Good luck developong a bodybuilding routine that relies solely on peer-reviewed research. There isnt much of it in this world
Shhhh! You're not supposed to say that here. Peer reviewed research and links are the end all be all of the mfp forums. And woe be onto those that ever speak against deadlifts. Deadlifts are religion here. Are you trying to get your forum pass revoked?
DYEDeadlift?
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