Hugh Jackman Deadlifts 400 pounds
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When I think elite- I think the top levels of competitive lifters- nationally and for worlds. and not TEAM lifts- but YOU as a lifter.
I don't think you need to be strong to be competitive- anyone who wants to can and should compete.
And I don't think you need to be competitive to be strong or to be considered strong.
But I don't think just because you're stronger than you the average lifter that it makes you elite... I personally do not- and it seems Sarau seems to be in the same boat in terms of how we feel about our lifting.. that just because you're stronger than the average around you it makes you qualified as elite.
But she can answer for herself- but from those two posts which reflect how I feel about it- seems to me we have similar views on the subject.0 -
Back it you cant.
thought you were going all yoda for a second there0 -
Squats have about zero relevance. Deadlifts are much more cns taxing. Do any successful powerlifters, let alone bodybuilders, make good progress Deadlifting twice a week? Nevet heard of a single one who preferred that over once evey week or better yet, every 2weeks. 6x weekly and you'll be removing weight every workout. Couple that with a volume bodybuilding split and deadlifts every week or more are just plain stupid if mass is the goal.
I'm sure glad my body recognized the difference between picking up up-to-120 pound bales of hay off the ground/putting them on a waist-high trailer and deadlifting. Otherwise, by the end of the hay season, I wouldn't have been able to pick up even the lighter bales.
are you seriously trying to compare lifting 120 POUND (lol 120!) to deadlifting low rep MAXES !? (Which is what most people do when deadliftng, it lends itself to maximal effort lifting, not 8-10 rep multiple set style lifting)
Come on man. The deadlift performed at MAX weight, inlcuding failures which is bound to happen often when attepting maxes) is particularly taxing because of the mechanics of the lift, the maximal effort, AND the DEAD PAUSE.
The dead pause at each rep, or every time in the case of maxes, is MUCH more cns taxing than letting the elasticity of the muscles contribute to the rep like in almost every other lift. Just like box squats are more taxing than a normal back squat.. Just like paused benches are more taxing0 -
We can't use it in my facility (Wellness center) because a lot of the members are seniors dealing with breathing problems.Curious if you guys use straps because you don't have access to chalk?
That is part of the problem yes.
I wish they had chalk at my gym....and I can't remember to buy some and bring it.
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Yeah, so that's too bad. Bummer.
My gym has a big chalk bucket. Once I started using the chalk, grip issues went away.
Just another reason I love my gym.0 -
so the answer to the original question is that 400 lbs is pretty good but nothing jaw dropping?
in other news, i haven't witnessed anyone perform a dead lift since highschool. i'm 35, i've belonged 5 different gyms since college (and attended them). They've all been small local gyms tho, no Golds or anything. Although i've spent the past 6 years or so marooned on planet fitness.
i'm not saying its a good thing i haven't done them, and i'm willing to take the inevitable backlash that will come from multiply misinterpretations of this post lol. i'm just currious what other people's experiences are.
Do you see most weight trainners at the gym doing deadlifts?0 -
actually one of the small gyms had an even smaller room in the back with a squat rack (really just two uprights) that had chains attatched to it.
still not really sure what the chains are for, but i imagine it was some sort of powerlifting thing.
saw one guy use it once. he was indeed huge lol.
again, not advocating to train one way or the other, just sharing my experince and wondering if more powerlifting type lifts are more common in other people gym experiences, or if you even catagorize deadlifting as power lifting0 -
so the answer to the original question is that 400 lbs is pretty good but nothing jaw dropping?
in other news, i haven't witnessed anyone perform a dead lift since highschool. i'm 35, i've belonged 5 different gyms since college (and attended them). They've all been small local gyms tho, no Golds or anything. Although i've spent the past 6 years or so marooned on planet fitness.
i'm not saying its a good thing i haven't done them, and i'm willing to take the inevitable backlash that will come from multiply misinterpretations of this post lol. i'm just currious what other people's experiences are.
Do you see most weight trainners at the gym doing deadlifts?
Same experience for the most part. I train at 24 and see maybe 5% of the frequent lifters do deadlifts. Half of them aren't very serious about it (as in, muscular'ish males pulling 2-3 plates per side without much effort....in my book, that means not very serious about deadlift strength). BUT, the half that are actually putting effort into it, with what appears to be decent programming, are all pulling 4+ plates (males).
I just base it on my own experience in college and the guys around me then. I had a 4 plate deadlift in 18 months and was 175lbs coming from a start point of 135lbs and deadlifting 185 the first time. I knew approx 10 other guys who had about the same experience.
Based on every bodyduilding forum I've visited, the experiences tend to be similar. takes 2 years to go from 225 to 405 for most guys at a normal weight following a decent routine.actually one of the small gyms had an even smaller room in the back with a squat rack (really just two uprights) that had chains attatched to it.
still not really sure what the chains are for, but i imagine it was some sort of powerlifting thing.
saw one guy use it once. he was indeed huge lol.
again, not advocating to train one way or the other, just sharing my experince and wondering if more powerlifting type lifts are more common in other people gym experiences, or if you even catagorize deadlifting as power lifting
Chains increase resistance at the top of the lift, since usually the chains are setup so that a good portion of them rest on the ground at the bottom of the lift.0 -
What research shows adding deads to a bodybuilding routine improves cns recovery and increases growth? None. And mosy bodybuilders will tell you based on experience that it can often hurt.
Good luck developong a bodybuilding routine that relies solely on peer-reviewed research. There isnt much of it in this world
Not how it works there bub. You made an outlandish claim, back it.
Strong logic. Yours was the first claim. Back it. You cant.
You claimed adding deadslifts to a bodybuilding routine "improved the CNS" and would increase growth. I think thats complete BS and in fact does the opposite unless the routine is very well thought out and even then wont help mass growth for most lifters.
Nope, made no such claim. You stuck your wank out, claimed deads impair all CNS.
Prove it or ship off there sailor.
I'm glad you think something is BS, it shows ability to think, now use said ability and prove the CNS claim of yours.0 -
so the answer to the original question is that 400 lbs is pretty good but nothing jaw dropping?
in other news, i haven't witnessed anyone perform a dead lift since highschool. i'm 35, i've belonged 5 different gyms since college (and attended them). They've all been small local gyms tho, no Golds or anything. Although i've spent the past 6 years or so marooned on planet fitness.
i'm not saying its a good thing i haven't done them, and i'm willing to take the inevitable backlash that will come from multiply misinterpretations of this post lol. i'm just currious what other people's experiences are.
Do you see most weight trainners at the gym doing deadlifts?
No, since I workout at the Y, I see most "trainers" drinking soda and eating candy. I also don't see a single one that I would say walks the walk. They may have knowledge, but they may not have heard the saying, "Heal thyself." I also see maybe 3 guys doing deads.
TrojanBB, I did some of your "show your work" for you, did a little snooping around scholar.google.com and pubmed while on a break. I did see articles mentioning CNS fatigue, but not a single one supporting your claim that deadlifts are detrimental, in fact, most of what I was reading suggested the large compounds (squat, deadlift) as the most effective at neural training under load, provided CNS fatigue is taken into account.
This is why people are expected to show their work when they make a ridiculous sounding claim. Now, to help you specifically, if you can read this:
http://www.fmh.utl.pt/agon/cpfmh/docs/documentos/recursos/110/Hipertrofia e Neural.pdf
I'm only halfway through it, but it does lay out what seems to be an interesting hypertrophy/neural program. If you notice, their table at the end suggests compound lifts only for the neural training portion of the program. Stated specifically:squats, deadlifts, military and bench press, rows, dips0 -
Do you see most weight trainners at the gym doing deadlifts?
At my gym, yes. Ours is locally owned gym, not a chain. Lots of people deadlift - trainers, women, men, you name it. We have one small and one large deadlift mat. Deadlifts are common, as are snatches and cleans. Olympic lifts abound.
I don't know about other gyms. I attended a chain gym for a month - no one deadlifted. It only had one squat rack, and that single Olympic barbell was always being used by folks for benching or curls, so I switched to my current gym.0 -
Squats have about zero relevance. Deadlifts are much more cns taxing. Do any successful powerlifters, let alone bodybuilders, make good progress Deadlifting twice a week? Nevet heard of a single one who preferred that over once evey week or better yet, every 2weeks. 6x weekly and you'll be removing weight every workout. Couple that with a volume bodybuilding split and deadlifts every week or more are just plain stupid if mass is the goal.
I'm sure glad my body recognized the difference between picking up up-to-120 pound bales of hay off the ground/putting them on a waist-high trailer and deadlifting. Otherwise, by the end of the hay season, I wouldn't have been able to pick up even the lighter bales.
are you seriously trying to compare lifting 120 POUND (lol 120!) to deadlifting low rep MAXES !? (Which is what most people do when deadliftng, it lends itself to maximal effort lifting, not 8-10 rep multiple set style lifting)
Come on man. The deadlift performed at MAX weight, inlcuding failures which is bound to happen often when attepting maxes) is particularly taxing because of the mechanics of the lift, the maximal effort, AND the DEAD PAUSE.
The dead pause at each rep, or every time in the case of maxes, is MUCH more cns taxing than letting the elasticity of the muscles contribute to the rep like in almost every other lift. Just like box squats are more taxing than a normal back squat.. Just like paused benches are more taxing
In my defense, I weighed ~105 pounds then.
And for the record, I reached failure many times during each day.
And each of these bales were at a dead pause when I approached them. Every single one of them.
I'm just not convinced that deadlifting is "special" in re CNS recovery impairment. I suspect it is more of a total workload issue and that it wouldn't be that difficult to program for multiple deadlift sessions per week assuming the overall program was appropriate...but I'll admit, I'm not coming into this with a pile of support for my beliefs, so feel free to smack me around with science and I'll slink away quietly.
TL;DR - stop crapping on my story about the good old days.0 -
dbmata did those studies compare the addition of deadlifts to an existing volume bodybuilding split? And then compare growth and recovery before and after?
No? Ok, so zero relevance. I read your link. It doesnt support or debunk my belief in any way.
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When I think elite- I think the top levels of competitive lifters- nationally and for worlds. and not TEAM lifts- but YOU as a lifter.
I don't think you need to be strong to be competitive- anyone who wants to can and should compete.
And I don't think you need to be competitive to be strong or to be considered strong.
But I don't think just because you're stronger than you the average lifter that it makes you elite... I personally do not- and it seems Sarau seems to be in the same boat in terms of how we feel about our lifting.. that just because you're stronger than the average around you it makes you qualified as elite.
But she can answer for herself- but from those two posts which reflect how I feel about it- seems to me we have similar views on the subject.
TBH, I don't think theres anything wrong with the majority of that viewpoint. I guess Im just also open to the viewpoint that some might suggest that if you can beat 99%+ of the planet at something you could be considered elite. Its not how I would typically think about it, but I can see the argument.
The distinction isn't just stronger than average, or stronger than those around you - they took lifting data based on peoples lifting experience, and the category they called elite is for "athletes involved in the strength sports"0 -
Do you see most weight trainners at the gym doing deadlifts?
At my gym, yes. Ours is locally owned gym, not a chain. Lots of people deadlift - trainers, women, men, you name it. We have one small and one large deadlift mat. Deadlifts are common, as are snatches and cleans. Olympic lifts abound.
I don't know about other gyms. I attended a chain gym for a month - no one deadlifted. It only had one squat rack, and that single Olympic barbell was always being used by folks for benching or curls, so I switched to my current gym.
I am very grateful for my gym....
It used to be Gold's Gym, but then got bought out for some reason...
Now it is One Life
But they have areas for Olympic style lifts...
As well as Crossfit stuff if that is your thing...so from time to time, I will go out back and flip tires or push sleds
I just usually grab a squat rack and do my DLs0 -
very excited to build my own home gym. i'm planning on getting bumper plates, but if all you expect to do is deadlifts, maybe some clean and press.... and perhaps whatever else might come up under crossfit, do you really NEED bumper plates? especially if your already on a 3/4" rubber mat?0
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Ok, I also doubt we can find a study that a butterfly beating its wings in Delaware affects the price of bacon in Jerusalem. Non one that I saw made any claim other than you saying deads are bad.did those studies compare the addition of deadlifts to an existing volume bodybuilding split?
No? Ok, so zero relevance.
Then show you have studies that adding deadlifts into a program will result in these massively deleterious effects on the CNS.
You can't. You made a bad claim, I even tried to help you out. It's done.0 -
Ok, I also doubt we can find a claim that a butterfly beating its wings in Delaware affects the price of bacon in Jerusalem. Non one that I saw made any claim other than you saying deads are bad.did those studies compare the addition of deadlifts to an existing volume bodybuilding split?
No? Ok, so zero relevance.
Then show you have studies that adding deadlifts into a program will result in these massively deleterious effects on the CNS.
You can't. You made a bad claim, I even tried to help you out. It's done.
the guy I originally quoted, which I mistakenly thought was you in my previous post but was actually someone else who hasnt replied since , originally said that when training for aesthetics, adding deadlifts would INCREASE growth and "improve the cns". I claim the opposite occurs, if everything else is held constant. Thats' it0 -
Ok, I also doubt we can find a claim that a butterfly beating its wings in Delaware affects the price of bacon in Jerusalem. Non one that I saw made any claim other than you saying deads are bad.did those studies compare the addition of deadlifts to an existing volume bodybuilding split?
No? Ok, so zero relevance.
Then show you have studies that adding deadlifts into a program will result in these massively deleterious effects on the CNS.
You can't. You made a bad claim, I even tried to help you out. It's done.
the guy I originally quoted, which I mistakenly thought was you in my previous post but was actually someone else who hasnt replied since , originally said that when training for aesthetics, adding deadlifts would INCREASE growth and "improve the cns". I claim the opposite occurs, if everything else is held constant. Thats' it
Fair enough. I must have missed that. What I saw was your statement that deads are negative for the CNS. I know nothing about aesthetic lifting, other than the results are amazing, so I'll go with you being the expert on that one.0 -
very excited to build my own home gym. i'm planning on getting bumper plates, but if all you expect to do is deadlifts, maybe some clean and press.... and perhaps whatever else might come up under crossfit, do you really NEED bumper plates? especially if your already on a 3/4" rubber mat?
Yes. Dropping iron plates on just a 3/4" rubber mat 1) will make a lot of noise, 2) might damage the plates/bar (not sure about this one but it seems plausible), and 3) will make a lot of noise. I've actually been told that a 3/4" rubber mat over concrete *and* bumper plates will be too hard and that I should put another subfloor under the matting, but I don't believe that and plan to just learn for myself. I'll let you know in a month or two when I finally get around to hauling 14 horse stall mats into my basement and cutting them to fit my gym area.0 -
very excited to build my own home gym. i'm planning on getting bumper plates, but if all you expect to do is deadlifts, maybe some clean and press.... and perhaps whatever else might come up under crossfit, do you really NEED bumper plates? especially if your already on a 3/4" rubber mat?
Yes. Dropping iron plates on just a 3/4" rubber mat 1) will make a lot of noise, 2) might damage the plates/bar (not sure about this one but it seems plausible), and 3) will make a lot of noise. I've actually been told that a 3/4" rubber mat over concrete *and* bumper plates will be too hard and that I should put another subfloor under the matting, but I don't believe that and plan to just learn for myself. I'll let you know in a month or two when I finally get around to hauling 14 horse stall mats into my basement and cutting them to fit my gym area.
thats what i'm using the stall mats. i could double up to do a mini 'platform' so to speak.
i don't really plan on dropping the weight as a matter of course, only if i really have to in order to avoid injury.
or am i just revealing incredible naiveté about Oly lifts and dropping the weight is common out of necessity? I"m thinking 999 times out of 1000 i'm not going to be dropping the weight0 -
very excited to build my own home gym. i'm planning on getting bumper plates, but if all you expect to do is deadlifts, maybe some clean and press.... and perhaps whatever else might come up under crossfit, do you really NEED bumper plates? especially if your already on a 3/4" rubber mat?
If you want to do oly lifts like clean and press, you probably do need bumpers because dropping metal plates from overhead is a bad idea. And know that bumpers get very expensive and they wear out pretty fast (the area around the ring in the center is usually what gives out), so if you're just doing deadlifts, squats, press, bench and the like, don't waste your money on bumpers and just get a decent mat and steel plates and you're golden. I went with american-made iron plates and still paid quite a bit - try to buy a decent amount of weight in quality bumper plates and you'll easily be dropping over thousand dollars. Unless you're really wanting to get into oly lifts, I'd skip the bumpers for now.
As for the mats, you can do horse stall mats and while they're cheap, they typically have a funky smell. Personally I put together a surface using 20"x20"x2" rubber tiles and they do a pretty solid job absorbing the impact.0 -
400lbs is the standard for not being a novice any more for men in regards to powerlifting. (yes BW matters obviously) I haven't had any male who has trained with me for a year consistently not able to deadlift 400lbs for 1 rep.
I posted this to Sara but this is the standards for GPC in Australia. A LOT harder to be "elite". At a guess, I'd probably say there are about 20 people in GPC who have made the elite total.
It's in kg
http://gpcaustralia.com/index.php/gradings/253-gpc-raw-standards0 -
>$1000??? Either you lift a lot more than I do or you're buying your bumpers from the wrong place.
Also, at a certain point, you can add some of your iron plates to the bar.
Finally, while certain weights do tend to wear out more quickly than others (*cough*10s*cough*), the heavier plates seem to hold up really well. Probably the greater diameter/surface area of contact between the bushing and the plate.0 -
You're right. That number was a bit off - I missed that they already included shipping when I quickly checked the current pricing - but not too far out of line, depending on what you're getting and how much you're getting. Rogue does have the entry-level Hi-temps that you can get a reasonable amount of for well under a grand, but beyond that the prices go up pretty quickly. If Oly lifts are your goal, I'd say they're a must, but if you're thinking "I might want to learn oly lifts at some point in the future", I'd just stick with metal plates for now. You're not going to need bumpers to do things like deadlifts, and while you can get bumpers for less than my original misquoted price, you can get iron for a helluva lot less than that original misquoted price and they'll pretty much never wear out.0
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I saw this story on Yahoo and it seems to be making the rounds on other news and entertainment sites. It started when Hugh posted an Instagram video deadlifting 400 pounds. I'm not sure if he did it more than once because I can't get the video to load on my phone.
At first I didn't think that was a big deal. My personal best for deadlifts is 450 and I've known plenty of people that can do 500 or better. However, I do give him some extra credit for doing that at his height. He's 6'2" and deadlifting can be tricky for taller people. I'm 5'8", so I'm at a better height for deadlifts. Some articles also pointed out that he's 46. My personal best was in my 30's and I haven't deadlifted in a while.
Although Jackman has disadvantages because of age and height, he does have a great coach and access to great nutrition.
I'm wondering if anyone on MFP has an opinion on this. I've seen a lot of dedicated and well educated lifters on this site.
If you don't hear from me, I'll be at the gym working on my deadlifts.
Not impressed. I'm 6'2 and deadlift 405 for working sets and I'm nowhere as big as him, Oh wait he does have chicken legs lol0 -
Ok, I also doubt we can find a claim that a butterfly beating its wings in Delaware affects the price of bacon in Jerusalem. Non one that I saw made any claim other than you saying deads are bad.did those studies compare the addition of deadlifts to an existing volume bodybuilding split?
No? Ok, so zero relevance.
Then show you have studies that adding deadlifts into a program will result in these massively deleterious effects on the CNS.
You can't. You made a bad claim, I even tried to help you out. It's done.
the guy I originally quoted, which I mistakenly thought was you in my previous post but was actually someone else who hasnt replied since , originally said that when training for aesthetics, adding deadlifts would INCREASE growth and "improve the cns". I claim the opposite occurs, if everything else is held constant. Thats' it
Fair enough. I must have missed that. What I saw was your statement that deads are negative for the CNS. I know nothing about aesthetic lifting, other than the results are amazing, so I'll go with you being the expert on that one.
Layne Norton for one is a fan of deadlifts for building mass. So are quite a few other top competitive body builders. I have not run it but I think PHAT has deads 2 x a week.0 -
Sara, truth be told, I'd happily dead 4x a week if it didn't wipe me out so damned much. Love that lift.0
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Layne Norton for one is a fan of deadlifts for building mass. So are quite a few other top competitive body builders. I have not run it but I think PHAT has deads 2 x a week.
The PHAT routine I used and the only one I've ever seen online doesn't have any regular deadlifts. Only 8 rep Stiff legged deadlifts halfway through the lower body workout and romanian deads 8-12 reps on the other leg day.
The way the program is setup, a regular dead wouldn't work well at all in the program since it'd have to be on either a push or pull day and those days are back to back.0
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