Hugh Jackman Deadlifts 400 pounds
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Ok, quick update.
Deadlifts today
315# x 5 reps, no straps.
350# x 4 w/ straps
330# x 5 w/ straps
Just curious, what grip are you using for each?
315 was over/over
350 and 330 over/under
Try that 330 with a hook grip (*kitten* grip) and give it a pull.
How is that one done??
Have not seen that grip.
Is it wear you wrap the thumb inside the fingers?
Like when you do a snatch: you basically wrap your fingers around the bar and your thumb.
that does not sound comfortable lol0 -
Barry Ross uses deadlifting 3x week with his sprinters....
Yup - I wasn't making a blanket statement - there will always be some folks who buck trends - but not everyone uses his methods. He keeps the DLs heavy & the volumes very low I think.
Yep. 3x3 with 85-90% of 1RM (Plus plyo work). No warm up sets. 3x week... Extremely low volume. Basically follows Pavel and Dan John's rule of ten.
No warm up sets? Sounds interesting. Sounds risky @ 85-90%. How does it work (Im assuming they do something to prep for it)?
I don't count warm up sets my self....
but for today I did 135 x 10, 185 x 8, 225 x 60 -
Curious if you guys use straps because you don't have access to chalk?0
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Ok, quick update.
Deadlifts today
315# x 5 reps, no straps.
350# x 4 w/ straps
330# x 5 w/ straps
Just curious, what grip are you using for each?
315 was over/over
350 and 330 over/under
Try that 330 with a hook grip (*kitten* grip) and give it a pull.
How is that one done??
Have not seen that grip.
Is it wear you wrap the thumb inside the fingers?
Like when you do a snatch: you basically wrap your fingers around the bar and your thumb.
that does not sound comfortable lol
It hurts but it works.0 -
They have a pretty low standard of Elite imo.
If its anything like the chart that was was going around before, their definition of elite was "strong enough to compete", and if the other stat that was on this thread is anything to go by, that's possibly in the top 1% of the planet strength-wise.
It is similar to those you find on http://www.strstd.com/ - for women is states that 200% body weight is 'elite'.
I suppose it really does depend on your definition of what you think elite is. I was able to pull 2.2 x BW (in a RAW meet) after about 18 months of lifting (I pulled 2 x BW after a year IIRC) - while a strong lift for me and I have good genetics for it (plus I train a lot), it honestly does not seem right to call it Elite to me tbh. To me "Elite" is comparing to others in the sport.
You can be any strength to compete btw.0 -
Barry Ross uses deadlifting 3x week with his sprinters....
Yup - I wasn't making a blanket statement - there will always be some folks who buck trends - but not everyone uses his methods. He keeps the DLs heavy & the volumes very low I think.
Yep. 3x3 with 85-90% of 1RM (Plus plyo work). No warm up sets. 3x week... Extremely low volume. Basically follows Pavel and Dan John's rule of ten.
No warm up sets? Sounds interesting. Sounds risky @ 85-90%. How does it work (Im assuming they do something to prep for it)?
Think he just advocates some dynamic stuff first to get the blood moving, then into the DLing.0 -
Curious if you guys use straps because you don't have access to chalk?
That is part of the problem yes.
I wish they had chalk at my gym....and I can't remember to buy some and bring it.0 -
They have a pretty low standard of Elite imo.
If its anything like the chart that was was going around before, their definition of elite was "strong enough to compete", and if the other stat that was on this thread is anything to go by, that's possibly in the top 1% of the planet strength-wise.
It is similar to those you find on http://www.strstd.com/ - for women is states that 200% body weight is 'elite'.
I suppose it really does depend on your definition of what you think elite is. I was able to pull 2.2 x BW (in a RAW meet) after about 18 months of lifting (I pulled 2 x BW after a year IIRC) - while a strong lift for me and I have good genetics for it (plus I train a lot), it honestly does not seem right to call it Elite to me tbh. To me "Elite" is comparing to others in the sport.
You can be any strength to compete btw.
What would you call an elite deadlift for women and men?0 -
We can't use it in my facility (Wellness center) because a lot of the members are seniors dealing with breathing problems.Curious if you guys use straps because you don't have access to chalk?
That is part of the problem yes.
I wish they had chalk at my gym....and I can't remember to buy some and bring it.
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We can't use it in my facility (Wellness center) because a lot of the members are seniors dealing with breathing problems.Curious if you guys use straps because you don't have access to chalk?
That is part of the problem yes.
I wish they had chalk at my gym....and I can't remember to buy some and bring it.
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I can see that being a problem0 -
that does not sound comfortable lol
It hurts but it works.
It sucks, but it should get you to 330 without straps.0 -
We can't use it in my facility (Wellness center) because a lot of the members are seniors dealing with breathing problems.Curious if you guys use straps because you don't have access to chalk?
That is part of the problem yes.
I wish they had chalk at my gym....and I can't remember to buy some and bring it.
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Isn't there a liquid "chalk" product that avoids this issue? (I don't actually know as my basement gym...membership: 1...allows chalk.)0 -
How about liquid chalk?
We can't use it in my facility (Wellness center) because a lot of the members are seniors dealing with breathing problems.Curious if you guys use straps because you don't have access to chalk?
That is part of the problem yes.
I wish they had chalk at my gym....and I can't remember to buy some and bring it.
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I can see that being a problem0 -
that does not sound comfortable lol
It hurts but it works.
It sucks, but it should get you to 330 without straps.
I can two over hand that w/o straps. Now I could not imagine doing a 500 hook grip deadlift.0 -
They have a pretty low standard of Elite imo.
If its anything like the chart that was was going around before, their definition of elite was "strong enough to compete", and if the other stat that was on this thread is anything to go by, that's possibly in the top 1% of the planet strength-wise.
It is similar to those you find on http://www.strstd.com/ - for women is states that 200% body weight is 'elite'.
I suppose it really does depend on your definition of what you think elite is. I was able to pull 2.2 x BW (in a RAW meet) after about 18 months of lifting (I pulled 2 x BW after a year IIRC) - while a strong lift for me and I have good genetics for it (plus I train a lot), it honestly does not seem right to call it Elite to me tbh. To me "Elite" is comparing to others in the sport.
You can be any strength to compete btw.
Didn't you win like 2-3 state medals in that meet? How is that not elite?
Also, those 1RM calculators and their categorized novice/untrained/advanced/blahblahblah are to me, relative to the population in general. For me, it says an elite deadlift is close to 600lbs. I would agree with a 600lb deadlift being elite. But in relative terms to the powerlifting community, that's not elite. 800lbs+ is elite. So it all depends on how you look at it, I guess.0 -
If its anything like the chart that was was going around before, their definition of elite was "strong enough to compete", and if the other stat that was on this thread is anything to go by, that's possibly in the top 1% of the planet strength-wise.
It is similar to those you find on http://www.strstd.com/ - for women is states that 200% body weight is 'elite'.
I suppose it really does depend on your definition of what you think elite is. I was able to pull 2.2 x BW (in a RAW meet) after about 18 months of lifting (I pulled 2 x BW after a year IIRC) - while a strong lift for me and I have good genetics for it (plus I train a lot), it honestly does not seem right to call it Elite to me tbh. To me "Elite" is comparing to others in the sport.
You can be any strength to compete btw.
That's a fair enough distinction for "elite" as youre involved/interested in the competition, but the people compiling those kind of stats are usually interested in the lifting population as a whole, when drawing their lines, so they have a different perspective.
Lol, yes I realize technically you can "compete" at any strength, but you know what I mean....0 -
They have a pretty low standard of Elite imo.
If its anything like the chart that was was going around before, their definition of elite was "strong enough to compete", and if the other stat that was on this thread is anything to go by, that's possibly in the top 1% of the planet strength-wise.
It is similar to those you find on http://www.strstd.com/ - for women is states that 200% body weight is 'elite'.
I suppose it really does depend on your definition of what you think elite is. I was able to pull 2.2 x BW (in a RAW meet) after about 18 months of lifting (I pulled 2 x BW after a year IIRC) - while a strong lift for me and I have good genetics for it (plus I train a lot), it honestly does not seem right to call it Elite to me tbh. To me "Elite" is comparing to others in the sport.
You can be any strength to compete btw.
Didn't you win like 2-3 state medals in that meet? How is that not elite?
Yes. But there is not that much depth in women's powerlifting, especially at other than National or International levels. Maybe it's just me, but I kind of feel uncomfortable being classified as elite, especially when there are some women that can lift a lot more than me. Granted, that is on a National stage and in an open age group - but its still feels 'not right' based on where I am in my training. Maybe its that British thing coming out...0 -
They have a pretty low standard of Elite imo.
If its anything like the chart that was was going around before, their definition of elite was "strong enough to compete", and if the other stat that was on this thread is anything to go by, that's possibly in the top 1% of the planet strength-wise.
It is similar to those you find on http://www.strstd.com/ - for women is states that 200% body weight is 'elite'.
I suppose it really does depend on your definition of what you think elite is. I was able to pull 2.2 x BW (in a RAW meet) after about 18 months of lifting (I pulled 2 x BW after a year IIRC) - while a strong lift for me and I have good genetics for it (plus I train a lot), it honestly does not seem right to call it Elite to me tbh. To me "Elite" is comparing to others in the sport.
You can be any strength to compete btw.
Didn't you win like 2-3 state medals in that meet? How is that not elite?
Also, those 1RM calculators and their categorized novice/untrained/advanced/blahblahblah are to me, relative to the population in general. For me, it says an elite deadlift is close to 600lbs. I would agree with a 600lb deadlift being elite. But in relative terms to the powerlifting community, that's not elite. 800lbs+ is elite. So it all depends on how you look at it, I guess.
I feel like you and I have had this conversation about benching and women's numbers like 2-3 months ago LOL
I still owe you a picture of my super man underwear with my bench... but it hasn't' happened yet. Soon. I know it. SOON!!!Yes. But there is not that much depth in women's powerlifting, especially at other than National or International levels. Maybe it's just me, but I kind of feel uncomfortable being classified as elite, especially when there are some women that can lift a lot more than me. Granted, that is on a National stage and in an open age group - but its still feels 'not right' based on where I am in my training. Maybe its that British thing coming out...
nope- this was exactly the bench conversation we had about elite or not. I don't feel like something special- but my bench puts me well over most regional levels.... I don't feel elite- I barely feel like I'd rank on a platform.
It's hard to really feel like you rank "high" on someone's scale when you know there is more untapped potential.0 -
If its anything like the chart that was was going around before, their definition of elite was "strong enough to compete", and if the other stat that was on this thread is anything to go by, that's possibly in the top 1% of the planet strength-wise.
It is similar to those you find on http://www.strstd.com/ - for women is states that 200% body weight is 'elite'.
I suppose it really does depend on your definition of what you think elite is. I was able to pull 2.2 x BW (in a RAW meet) after about 18 months of lifting (I pulled 2 x BW after a year IIRC) - while a strong lift for me and I have good genetics for it (plus I train a lot), it honestly does not seem right to call it Elite to me tbh. To me "Elite" is comparing to others in the sport.
You can be any strength to compete btw.
That's a fair enough distinction for elite"" as youre involved/interested in the competition, but the people compiling those kind of stats are usually interested in the lifting population as a whole, when drawing their lines, so they have a different perspective.
Lol, yes I realize technically you can "compete" at any strength, but you know what I mean....
I am not sure if you have ever competed, but to be honest, especially at the local level, people go to have fun - it is a hugely supportive sport and people are encouraged and get a good response to lifts even if they are not very much compared to some others. I am sure that there are some people that are, and different federations, locations and levels are different, but at the local level, there is no such thing as 'strong enough to compete' even in principle.0 -
We can't use it in my facility (Wellness center) because a lot of the members are seniors dealing with breathing problems.Curious if you guys use straps because you don't have access to chalk?
That is part of the problem yes.
I wish they had chalk at my gym....and I can't remember to buy some and bring it.
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Isn't there a liquid "chalk" product that avoids this issue? (I don't actually know as my basement gym...membership: 1...allows chalk.)
Liquid chalk is really more of an advantage re grip slip that grip strength. It makes your hands 'tacky'. It is useful for gyms who do not allow chalk - but if you can use chalk, I would take that over the liquid stuff anyday - my hands get less beat up with chalk than the liquid stuff.0 -
I am not sure if you have ever competed, but to be honest, especially at the local level, people go to have fun - it is a hugely supportive sport and people are encouraged and get a good response to lifts even if they are not very much compared to some others. I am sure that there are some people that are, and different federations, locations and levels are different, but at the local level, there is no such thing as 'strong enough to compete' even in principle.
Sheeez....
Fine, you don't like the phrase "elite" and you don't like "competitive". How do you want to classify people who are stronger than the majority of the population?0 -
I am not sure if you have ever competed, but to be honest, especially at the local level, people go to have fun - it is a hugely supportive sport and people are encouraged and get a good response to lifts even if they are not very much compared to some others. I am sure that there are some people that are, and different federations, locations and levels are different, but at the local level, there is no such thing as 'strong enough to compete' even in principle.
Sheeez....
Fine, you don't like the phrase "elite" and you don't like "competitive". How do you want to classify people who are stronger than the majority of the population?
Dedicated??0 -
I am not sure if you have ever competed, but to be honest, especially at the local level, people go to have fun - it is a hugely supportive sport and people are encouraged and get a good response to lifts even if they are not very much compared to some others. I am sure that there are some people that are, and different federations, locations and levels are different, but at the local level, there is no such thing as 'strong enough to compete' even in principle.
Sheeez....
Fine, you don't like the phrase "elite" and you don't like "competitive". How do you want to classify people who are stronger than the majority of the population?
Dedicated??
Ah, but that assumes that people who aren't as strong aren't dedicated - which they may well be.0 -
I am not sure if you have ever competed, but to be honest, especially at the local level, people go to have fun - it is a hugely supportive sport and people are encouraged and get a good response to lifts even if they are not very much compared to some others. I am sure that there are some people that are, and different federations, locations and levels are different, but at the local level, there is no such thing as 'strong enough to compete' even in principle.
Sheeez....
Fine, you don't like the phrase "elite" and you don't like "competitive". How do you want to classify people who are stronger than the majority of the population?
Dedicated??
We call them strong men and strong women. So elite level sounds to me like world breaking PR for the body weight class.0 -
I am not sure if you have ever competed, but to be honest, especially at the local level, people go to have fun - it is a hugely supportive sport and people are encouraged and get a good response to lifts even if they are not very much compared to some others. I am sure that there are some people that are, and different federations, locations and levels are different, but at the local level, there is no such thing as 'strong enough to compete' even in principle.
Sheeez....
Fine, you don't like the phrase "elite" and you don't like "competitive". How do you want to classify people who are stronger than the majority of the population?
I just call her a bad *kitten*.0 -
I am not sure if you have ever competed, but to be honest, especially at the local level, people go to have fun - it is a hugely supportive sport and people are encouraged and get a good response to lifts even if they are not very much compared to some others. I am sure that there are some people that are, and different federations, locations and levels are different, but at the local level, there is no such thing as 'strong enough to compete' even in principle.
Sheeez....
Fine, you don't like the phrase "elite" and you don't like "competitive". How do you want to classify people who are stronger than the majority of the population?
What exactly is the sheez for?
I did not even mention that I did not like the word competitive.
I was explaining what its like at competitions as you seemed to have the wrong idea based on your comments. I was not even responding to you re anything else in the above post.
So....sheez.....0 -
I am not sure if you have ever competed, but to be honest, especially at the local level, people go to have fun - it is a hugely supportive sport and people are encouraged and get a good response to lifts even if they are not very much compared to some others. I am sure that there are some people that are, and different federations, locations and levels are different, but at the local level, there is no such thing as 'strong enough to compete' even in principle.
Sheeez....
Fine, you don't like the phrase "elite" and you don't like "competitive". How do you want to classify people who are stronger than the majority of the population?
What exactly is the sheez for?
I did not even mention that I did not like the word competitive.
I was explaining what its like at competitions as you seemed to have the wrong idea based on your comments. I was not even responding to you re anything else in the above post.
So....sheez.....
Oh, I guess sometimes tone is hard to detect in writing. I'll withdraw my sheez, lol.
Back on topic - when they say elite they mean competitive.0 -
We call them strong men and strong women. So elite level sounds to me like world breaking PR for the body weight class.
Wouldn't that be just as subjective too? I worked out with someone who called me strong yesterday. That doesn't distinguish between me and someone who is way stronger.
Does that mean you'd only class the record holder as elite?0 -
Ah, but that assumes that people who aren't as strong aren't dedicated - which they may well be.
Hmm....possible.0 -
What research shows adding deads to a bodybuilding routine improves cns recovery and increases growth? None. And mosy bodybuilders will tell you based on experience that it can often hurt.
Good luck developong a bodybuilding routine that relies solely on peer-reviewed research. There isnt much of it in this world
Not how it works there bub. You made an outlandish claim, back it.
Strong logic. Yours was the first claim. Back it. You cant.
You claimed adding deadslifts to a bodybuilding routine "improved the CNS" and would increase growth. I think thats complete BS and in fact does the opposite unless the routine is very well thought out and even then wont help mass growth for most lifters.0
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