Hugh Jackman Deadlifts 400 pounds
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I think you're assuming that everyone cares about grip strength though. If you're training for aesthetics, it's questionable whether you even want to do deadlifts to begin with, much less a bunch of grip work just to improve your ability to do strapless deadlifts. If you're training for power lifting or strong man though, of course grip strength is very important.
:huh: :huh: :noway: :noway:
Srs dude???
Come on man....
A lot of times you post really good info.....but then do something like that....
I'm assuming you're referring to the comment about deadlifts rather than grip strength, and I thought about not saying that when I originally made that post since anything that questions deadlifts even in the slightest is likely to catch flak, haha. I'm not saying don't do them, not at all, especially when starting out and attempting to build strength. But you can make a rational argument about why they don't necessarily need to be included in a bodybuilding program and many successful bodybuilders (even at the top level) do not incorporate deadlifts as part of their typical routine.
I am saying to the fact that you are saying that since someone is lifting for aesthetics, then heavy lifting is not needed....
or vice-versa...
However you wish to view it.
I think it is a stupid comment.
While you may be referring to my pic, as me being aesthetic.....fine whatever.
I still lift heavy, so my aesthetic is a by-product of how I lift....
While my weight and strength are not as high as I would like them to be, I am not ashamed of what I can do either.....
You're reading way too much into my comment man.
I'm really not saying don't lift heavy - the bodybuilders I'm referring to lift incredibly heavy by all objective standards. They just don't necessarily include deadlifts specifically as a staple of their weekly routine and that's all I was saying. That doesn't mean they're rowing 25 pound dumb bells instead though - they might be doing super heavy rack pulls, for example, to hit their back while taxing their CNS slightly less than deadlifts would do. And I'm not at all referencing your pic or your strength (nor would I have anything negative to say about either) - I'm simply saying some people choose not to do deadlifts and there are rational reasons why some people might make that decision. I really was just talking in the abstract and not specific to any one person's programming.
I knew I shouldn't have made any comment remotely questioning deadlifts on a forum though, haha. I do them and enjoy them, and I'm hardly anti-deadlift. That said, I don't feel guilty when I use straps for later sets.
make the comment.....
that is fine
And I will make my comment and say what you initially said was stupid.....that's all.
Others can dissect and draw their own conclusions...0 -
I was 181 lbs @ 5"7
If there are multiple reps it's reps.....
1x3No, 4 plates = 405.
Oh, you mean 8 plates.
How many reps?
And that's my entire deadlift workout.
Eh, ok. I wouldn't call that "for reps", that just a work set.
So what are your stats? Height? Weight? Do you compete?
but now I'm trying to cut to 9% BF from 15 and due to back-muscle strain there are certain workouts I avoid for time being, Deadlifts being one of them.
Why would I complete I'm one of weakest guys in my gym.
Oh. You're a guy. I thought you were a girl (because your profile). I was just wondering because I know quite a few females that lift who can't pull a 400lb deadlift even after 2+ years of lifting.
I haven't seeing a girl attempt 405. I rarely see guys attempting 405 deadlifts.0 -
Yes I'm a guy, I forgot to change genders when I was signing up, any way to change it now?
I was 181 lbs @ 5"7
If there are multiple reps it's reps.....
1x3No, 4 plates = 405.
Oh, you mean 8 plates.
How many reps?
And that's my entire deadlift workout.
Eh, ok. I wouldn't call that "for reps", that just a work set.
So what are your stats? Height? Weight? Do you compete?
but now I'm trying to cut to 9% BF from 15 and due to back-muscle strain there are certain workouts I avoid for time being, Deadlifts being one of them.
Why would I complete I'm one of weakest guys in my gym.
Oh. You're a guy. I thought you were a girl (because your profile). I was just wondering because I know quite a few females that lift who can't pull a 400lb deadlift even after 2+ years of lifting.0 -
I was 181 lbs @ 5"7
If there are multiple reps it's reps.....
1x3No, 4 plates = 405.
Oh, you mean 8 plates.
How many reps?
And that's my entire deadlift workout.
Eh, ok. I wouldn't call that "for reps", that just a work set.
So what are your stats? Height? Weight? Do you compete?
but now I'm trying to cut to 9% BF from 15 and due to back-muscle strain there are certain workouts I avoid for time being, Deadlifts being one of them.
Why would I complete I'm one of weakest guys in my gym.
Oh. You're a guy. I thought you were a girl (because your profile). I was just wondering because I know quite a few females that lift who can't pull a 400lb deadlift even after 2+ years of lifting.
I haven't seeing a girl attempt 405. I rarely see guys attempting 405 deadlifts.
The closest girl I know of is Sarauk2sf. She had a 325lb deadlift at a competition last year but I think she's increased that a bit since then.0 -
What? I never do 10 reps, most I go is heaviest 5 rep. I do strength training, not hypertrophy
I was 181 lbs @ 5"7
If there are multiple reps it's reps.....
1x3No, 4 plates = 405.
Oh, you mean 8 plates.
How many reps?
And that's my entire deadlift workout.
Eh, ok. I wouldn't call that "for reps", that just a work set.
So what are your stats? Height? Weight? Do you compete?
but now I'm trying to cut to 9% BF from 15 and due to back-muscle strain there are certain workouts I avoid for time being, Deadlifts being one of them.
Why would I complete I'm one of weakest guys in my gym.
Since when did repping out something stop from being 10 reps of something?
You're telling me my 3x5 squats is not considered as "squatting for reps'?0 -
Yes I'm a guy, I forgot to change genders when I was signing up, any way to change it now?
I was 181 lbs @ 5"7
If there are multiple reps it's reps.....
1x3No, 4 plates = 405.
Oh, you mean 8 plates.
How many reps?
And that's my entire deadlift workout.
Eh, ok. I wouldn't call that "for reps", that just a work set.
So what are your stats? Height? Weight? Do you compete?
but now I'm trying to cut to 9% BF from 15 and due to back-muscle strain there are certain workouts I avoid for time being, Deadlifts being one of them.
Why would I complete I'm one of weakest guys in my gym.
Oh. You're a guy. I thought you were a girl (because your profile). I was just wondering because I know quite a few females that lift who can't pull a 400lb deadlift even after 2+ years of lifting.
You should be able to in your settings.0 -
Hugh JACKEDman0
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Yes I'm a guy, I forgot to change genders when I was signing up, any way to change it now?
I was 181 lbs @ 5"7
If there are multiple reps it's reps.....
1x3No, 4 plates = 405.
Oh, you mean 8 plates.
How many reps?
And that's my entire deadlift workout.
Eh, ok. I wouldn't call that "for reps", that just a work set.
So what are your stats? Height? Weight? Do you compete?
but now I'm trying to cut to 9% BF from 15 and due to back-muscle strain there are certain workouts I avoid for time being, Deadlifts being one of them.
Why would I complete I'm one of weakest guys in my gym.
Oh. You're a guy. I thought you were a girl (because your profile). I was just wondering because I know quite a few females that lift who can't pull a 400lb deadlift even after 2+ years of lifting.
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Yes I'm a guy, I forgot to change genders when I was signing up, any way to change it now?
I was 181 lbs @ 5"7
If there are multiple reps it's reps.....
1x3No, 4 plates = 405.
Oh, you mean 8 plates.
How many reps?
And that's my entire deadlift workout.
Eh, ok. I wouldn't call that "for reps", that just a work set.
So what are your stats? Height? Weight? Do you compete?
but now I'm trying to cut to 9% BF from 15 and due to back-muscle strain there are certain workouts I avoid for time being, Deadlifts being one of them.
Why would I complete I'm one of weakest guys in my gym.
Oh. You're a guy. I thought you were a girl (because your profile). I was just wondering because I know quite a few females that lift who can't pull a 400lb deadlift even after 2+ years of lifting.
That seems like a very drastic thing to do just to align your gender with what's in your profile.
Oh, wait...
...you mean you want to change your *MFP profile*. Okay, yeah. That's a far more reasonable approach to resolving this.0 -
Ninja squirrel has deactivated. That didn't last long.0
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Ninja squirrel has deactivated. That didn't last long.
Prolly gonna do a new account so he can select male instead of female0 -
I think you're assuming that everyone cares about grip strength though. If you're training for aesthetics, it's questionable whether you even want to do deadlifts to begin with, much less a bunch of grip work just to improve your ability to do strapless deadlifts. If you're training for power lifting or strong man though, of course grip strength is very important.
:huh: :huh: :noway: :noway:
Srs dude???
Come on man....
A lot of times you post really good info.....but then do something like that....
I'm assuming you're referring to the comment about deadlifts rather than grip strength, and I thought about not saying that when I originally made that post since anything that questions deadlifts even in the slightest is likely to catch flak, haha. I'm not saying don't do them, not at all, especially when starting out and attempting to build strength. But you can make a rational argument about why they don't necessarily need to be included in a bodybuilding program and many successful bodybuilders (even at the top level) do not incorporate deadlifts as part of their typical routine.
I am saying to the fact that you are saying that since someone is lifting for aesthetics, then heavy lifting is not needed....
or vice-versa...
However you wish to view it.
I think it is a stupid comment.
While you may be referring to my pic, as me being aesthetic.....fine whatever.
I still lift heavy, so my aesthetic is a by-product of how I lift....
While my weight and strength are not as high as I would like them to be, I am not ashamed of what I can do either.....
y'all know i come here to start fires as much as anybody, but i don't think that was his meaning at all. i think he was just saying that for aesthetics a person doesn't have to lift nearly as heavy and can stick with a volume based hypertrophy program. i don't think he was calling you weak or anything of the sort.0 -
And you're gone- but I'm answering anyway:
It's not a mental thing.
Carb rich foods will boost your energy....What does "how good your nutrition is" have to do with how special your lift is???
either you can pick the thing up or you can't.
and I only asked if you were new because she was clearly being sarcastic.
I find a bit weaker if I don't eat carb-heavy foods before pre-workout..
Also I can't detect sarcasm, more so on the internet, because I'm autistic.
good luck to you my friend- you're going to have a hard time with that here due to the sarcasm and snark.
Meh- you should be able to pick it up.. it's not going to give you an extra 15 pounds by carbing up or not.
I think that's more mental than anything else.
If your glycogen stores are empty It's beyond me how you can max your weights..
if you're maxing out sure- but just because I didn't eat isn't going to stop me from going to hammer my workout to the best of my abilities. would it have been better with some carbs? sure- but it rarely puts me so under that I think I had a crappy work out.
Nut up and go lift.
And in other news:
I would like to be one of the people who trains for 2 years and pull 400 plus- sign me up for that list please.0 -
Gone where?
And you're gone- but I'm answering anyway:
It's not a mental thing.
Carb rich foods will boost your energy....What does "how good your nutrition is" have to do with how special your lift is???
either you can pick the thing up or you can't.
and I only asked if you were new because she was clearly being sarcastic.
I find a bit weaker if I don't eat carb-heavy foods before pre-workout..
Also I can't detect sarcasm, more so on the internet, because I'm autistic.
good luck to you my friend- you're going to have a hard time with that here due to the sarcasm and snark.
Meh- you should be able to pick it up.. it's not going to give you an extra 15 pounds by carbing up or not.
I think that's more mental than anything else.
If your glycogen stores are empty It's beyond me how you can max your weights..
if you're maxing out sure- but just because I didn't eat isn't going to stop me from going to hammer my workout to the best of my abilities. would it have been better with some carbs? sure- but it rarely puts me so under that I think I had a crappy work out.
Nut up and go lift.
And in other news:
I would like to be one of the people who trains for 2 years and pull 400 plus- sign me up for that list please.
SS+GOMAD2 years and pull 400 plus-
You won't lift 400 because you're a woman, but you'll lift much heavier.0 -
I think you're assuming that everyone cares about grip strength though. If you're training for aesthetics, it's questionable whether you even want to do deadlifts to begin with, much less a bunch of grip work just to improve your ability to do strapless deadlifts. If you're training for power lifting or strong man though, of course grip strength is very important.
:huh: :huh: :noway: :noway:
Srs dude???
Come on man....
A lot of times you post really good info.....but then do something like that....
I'm assuming you're referring to the comment about deadlifts rather than grip strength, and I thought about not saying that when I originally made that post since anything that questions deadlifts even in the slightest is likely to catch flak, haha. I'm not saying don't do them, not at all, especially when starting out and attempting to build strength. But you can make a rational argument about why they don't necessarily need to be included in a bodybuilding program and many successful bodybuilders (even at the top level) do not incorporate deadlifts as part of their typical routine.
I am saying to the fact that you are saying that since someone is lifting for aesthetics, then heavy lifting is not needed....
or vice-versa...
However you wish to view it.
I think it is a stupid comment.
While you may be referring to my pic, as me being aesthetic.....fine whatever.
I still lift heavy, so my aesthetic is a by-product of how I lift....
While my weight and strength are not as high as I would like them to be, I am not ashamed of what I can do either.....
y'all know i come here to start fires as much as anybody, but i don't think that was his meaning at all. i think he was just saying that for aesthetics a person doesn't have to lift nearly as heavy and can stick with a volume based hypertrophy program. i don't think he was calling you weak or anything of the sort.
We talked via messages.
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And in other news:
I would like to be one of the people who trains for 2 years and pull 400 plus- sign me up for that list please.
Well, you're a chick... not sure that poster's comment applies.
But it can definitely be true for males. I didn't start lifting until last week of July 2013. By April 2014, 9-months later, I could do 410 for 1-rep max.
As for the straps argument... when I started deadlifting, I had a problem with grip strength. My ability to gain on my deadlift outpaced my hand strength gains. But I really didn't want to use a strap, because in my opinion, that's using a crutch, so I just kept using my hands, doing as much as I could during my workouts. Eventually my grip strength caught up and now it's no longer an issue.
If straps don't bother you, by all means, use them. But for me personally, I consider every muscle in the lift as being necessary to the lift. Grip strength is a part of the deadlift, and for me, I want all recruited muscles to gain and be at their strongest. Grip strength is a huge benefit to doing a deadlift, IMO. I am not sure why anyone would want to circumvent that gain.
It's cool to have strong hands.0 -
And in other news:
I would like to be one of the people who trains for 2 years and pull 400 plus- sign me up for that list please.
If I can hit 400# soon, then that will be about a years time for me.....
And with straps. :laugh: :laugh:0 -
As for the straps argument... when I started deadlifting, I had a problem with grip strength. My ability to gain on my deadlift outpaced my hand strength gains. But I really didn't want to use a strap, because in my opinion, that's using a crutch, so I just kept using my hands, doing as much as I could during my workouts. Eventually my grip strength caught up and now it's no longer an issue.
If straps don't bother you, by all means, use them. But for me personally, I consider every muscle in the lift as being necessary to the lift. Grip strength is a part of the deadlift, and for me, I want all recruited muscles to gain and be at their strongest. Grip strength is a huge benefit to doing a deadlift, IMO. I am not sure why anyone would want to circumvent that gain.
It's cool to have strong hands.
I get that and understand where you are coming from.....
But for me I don't see it as a crutch...
I mean even though I use straps, I still can't walk into a gym right now and DL 600#
Ppl that takes roids, don't just sit on their couch and get big...
They still have to go to the gym and move heavy stuff......
For now, the straps allow me to lift without killing my joints even more than I do.....cause I have awful joints.....
So when I go heavy on anything.....chest, back, legs....
I feel it.
Not to mention holding heavy weight in my hands, kills my hands/fingers around the knuckles, something awful....0 -
Yes I'm a guy, I forgot to change genders when I was signing up, any way to change it now?
You should be able to in your settings.
A pocket knife and sewing needle might work too.0 -
As for the straps argument... when I started deadlifting, I had a problem with grip strength. My ability to gain on my deadlift outpaced my hand strength gains. But I really didn't want to use a strap, because in my opinion, that's using a crutch, so I just kept using my hands, doing as much as I could during my workouts. Eventually my grip strength caught up and now it's no longer an issue.
If straps don't bother you, by all means, use them. But for me personally, I consider every muscle in the lift as being necessary to the lift. Grip strength is a part of the deadlift, and for me, I want all recruited muscles to gain and be at their strongest. Grip strength is a huge benefit to doing a deadlift, IMO. I am not sure why anyone would want to circumvent that gain.
It's cool to have strong hands.
I get that and understand where you are coming from.....
But for me I don't see it as a crutch...
I mean even though I use straps, I still can't walk into a gym right now and DL 600#
Ppl that takes roids, don't just sit on their couch and get big...
They still have to go to the gym and move heavy stuff......
For now, the straps allow me to lift without killing my joints even more than I do.....cause I have awful joints.....
So when I go heavy on anything.....chest, back, legs....
I feel it.
Not to mention holding heavy weight in my hands, kills my hands/fingers around the knuckles, something awful....
Your hands hurt is the excuse to use straps.0 -
one of my favorite things about this debate is that people seem to believe that as soon as you touch a strap your grip strength stops improving from now till the end of time. when i was coming up, there were no powerlifters in my gym so no one was ashamed to use straps. i used straps on DL, bent rows, and pull ups. never did grip work a day in my life. and guess what, my grip improved just fine. even better, i got stronger and bigger faster because i didn't let my hands hold me back from what was actually important to me.
people act like once you buy a pair of straps that you put them on the second you walk in the gym and start using them on your warm-up sets or something.0 -
This thread found a new level of funny that I frankly didn't think it had in it!0
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This thread found a new level of funny that I frankly didn't think it had in it!
IKR? it's as if someone started a dumpster fire inside of a dumpster fire0 -
To me all this anti-stap talk is like saying youre against using partials and negatives as tools to strengthen your bench press strength. Its a means to an end.And in other news:
I would like to be one of the people who trains for 2 years and pull 400 plus- sign me up for that list please.
Well, you're a chick... not sure that poster's comment applies.
But it can definitely be true for males. I didn't start lifting until last week of July 2013. By April 2014, 9-months later, I could do 410 for 1-rep max.
As for the straps argument... when I started deadlifting, I had a problem with grip strength. My ability to gain on my deadlift outpaced my hand strength gains. But I really didn't want to use a strap, because in my opinion, that's using a crutch, so I just kept using my hands, doing as much as I could during my workouts. Eventually my grip strength caught up and now it's no longer an issue.
If straps don't bother you, by all means, use them. But for me personally, I consider every muscle in the lift as being necessary to the lift. Grip strength is a part of the deadlift, and for me, I want all recruited muscles to gain and be at their strongest. Grip strength is a huge benefit to doing a deadlift, IMO. I am not sure why anyone would want to circumvent that gain.
It's cool to have strong hands.
If someones grip fails during a deadlift session, but their legs, glutes, back feel good, I can understand them not wanting to stop and do farmers walks or something midway through the DL session, so instead they grab straps and carry on.....makes sense. Grip strength will catch up a bit eventually, regardless.0 -
Your hands hurt is the excuse to use straps.
One of the excuses....
but whatever man....
You are the great and wonderful one here, so props to you for being amazing.0 -
I've actually switched to versa grips recently which I find even more comfortable than standard lifting straps.i used straps on DL, bent rows, and pull ups. never did grip work a day in my life. and guess what, my grip improved just fine. even better, i got stronger and bigger faster because i didn't let my hands hold me back from what was actually important to me.
That's nice, but I hope you realize that none of those lifts counted ... because straps. 0 -
one of my favorite things about this debate is that people seem to believe that as soon as you touch a strap your grip strength stops improving from now till the end of time. when i was coming up, there were no powerlifters in my gym so no one was ashamed to use straps. i used straps on DL, bent rows, and pull ups. never did grip work a day in my life. and guess what, my grip improved just fine. even better, i got stronger and bigger faster because i didn't let my hands hold me back from what was actually important to me.
people act like once you buy a pair of straps that you put them on the second you walk in the gym and start using them on your warm-up sets or something.
My thoughts as well0 -
Your hands hurt is the excuse to use straps.
Just noticed too....you are 26??0 -
ROFLThis thread found a new level of funny that I frankly didn't think it had in it!
IKR? it's as if someone started a dumpster fire inside of a dumpster fire
I came for the misunderstanding over DLs in strength vs aesthetics training, but I stay for the transgender ninja squirrel.0 -
I think you're assuming that everyone cares about grip strength though. If you're training for aesthetics, it's questionable whether you even want to do deadlifts to begin with, much less a bunch of grip work just to improve your ability to do strapless deadlifts. If you're training for power lifting or strong man though, of course grip strength is very important.
:huh: :huh: :noway: :noway:
Srs dude???
Come on man....
A lot of times you post really good info.....but then do something like that....
I'm assuming you're referring to the comment about deadlifts rather than grip strength, and I thought about not saying that when I originally made that post since anything that questions deadlifts even in the slightest is likely to catch flak, haha. I'm not saying don't do them, not at all, especially when starting out and attempting to build strength. But you can make a rational argument about why they don't necessarily need to be included in a bodybuilding program and many successful bodybuilders (even at the top level) do not incorporate deadlifts as part of their typical routine.
I am saying to the fact that you are saying that since someone is lifting for aesthetics, then heavy lifting is not needed....
or vice-versa...
However you wish to view it.
I think it is a stupid comment.
While you may be referring to my pic, as me being aesthetic.....fine whatever.
I still lift heavy, so my aesthetic is a by-product of how I lift....
While my weight and strength are not as high as I would like them to be, I am not ashamed of what I can do either.....
i commend parsc for fighting the power.
I completely agree with you on there being people who are more interested in training other area's hard (be that for asthetics or they desire more strength in whatever muslce group), whom really have no need or desire for the functionality of grip strength. for them the straps make a lot of sense and the idea of 'cheating' or not really has zero bearing on thier training.
i also think its interesting how the mere suggestion that one... at least could get away with (lol) not doing deadlifts was interpreted as suggestion to abandon heavy lifting. apparently thats how closely the two are intertwinded in MFP culture.0
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