"NO FAT CHICKS" Bumper Stickers

DjinnMarie

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

DavPul

Anyone been lucky enough to see one of these on the back of some *kitten*'s car? Makes me want to take a sledgehammer to it.

Imagine if there was a similar sticker referring to another group based on appearance. I can think of a few examples that would not be legal. These should be illegal too I reckon.

This is the logic that got Obama elected. Twice.

Its called freedom of speech. You can read about it in the US Constitution. While I personally think you are a turd if this is on your car, i also feel you shouldn't have your right to look like an idiot infringed upon...

This. And this again.

Please tell me your secrets

wheird

Srs answer: I'm not saying that minorities/women/-sexuals aren't treated substandard on a social level. But rather this "privilege" that is thrown around isn't a privilege. It is how all people should expect to be treated as a standard.

This 'privilege' isn't like when your mom says that birthday parties are a privilege that needs to be earned, and not a right... this is kind of a different concept from that?

I fully agree, it'd be great if we could all be treated as well as straight white men are. But we aren't, and discussions of privilege are a way of acknowledging that. That's what we're talking about when we use the word privilege.

But words mean things.

DavPul

Srs answer: I'm not saying that minorities/women/-sexuals aren't treated substandard on a social level. But rather this "privilege" that is thrown around isn't a privilege. It is how all people should expect to be treated as a standard.

Umm...... But...... Nvm

SunofaBeach14

Sure, if you are rich and can afford your own security and mercenaries.

Everyday farmers are being slaughtered. And who could have seen this coming when Zuma (the president) sings "kill the boers (whites) at televised events and celebrations? If white privilege exists in South Africa right now, why have none of you heard about what's going on? Why hasn't the UN stepped in when South African whites were placed on the genocide watch list? Nobody cares, that's why. That's some good white privilege right there.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

You're arguing with people who for the most part have never left their own country and see privilege as a one dimensional and binary concept. You either have it or you don't, and if you're white you have it and if you're not you don't. Concepts such socioeconomic status, childhood trauma, and educational level are not compatible with this concept, nor is a multi-racial identity.

Okay, off to find a cat gif, because meh.

wheird

Srs answer: I'm not saying that minorities/women/-sexuals aren't treated substandard on a social level. But rather this "privilege" that is thrown around isn't a privilege. It is how all people should expect to be treated as a standard.

Umm...... But...... Nvm

If you think I'm wrong then by all means throw it out there. This isn't a topic I think very deeply on.

Daiako

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

"While incomes for black households increased an average 169 percent over 10 years, their annual earnings are 60,613 rand ($6,987), or a sixth of that for whites, Statistics South Africa said in a report released in Cape Town today. About 80 percent of South Africa’s 51.8 million population is black."

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-30/south-africa-s-racial-income-inequality-persists-census-shows.html


Research.

northbanu

Did someone just make a post about how "No Fat Chicks" bumper stickers should be illegal and it evolved into a discussion of the Boers genocide in South Africa? WTF?!

I would also like to note that the banning of Fat Chicks is pretty much what Hitler would do....

Daiako

Sure, if you are rich and can afford your own security and mercenaries.

Everyday farmers are being slaughtered. And who could have seen this coming when Zuma (the president) sings "kill the boers (whites) at televised events and celebrations? If white privilege exists in South Africa right now, why have none of you heard about what's going on? Why hasn't the UN stepped in when South African whites were placed on the genocide watch list? Nobody cares, that's why. That's some good white privilege right there.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

You're arguing with people who for the most part have never left their own country and see privilege as a one dimensional and binary concept. You either have it or you don't, and if you're white you have it and if you're not you don't. Concepts such socioeconomic status, childhood trauma, and educational level are not compatible with this concept, nor is a multi-racial identity.

Okay, off to find a cat gif, because meh.

Or. She doesn't understand what white privilege is.


But yes. Let's pretend that white people don't hold the vast majority of wealth and power in South Africa and try to hide that under a separate issue (genocide or anger on the part of the poor black majority). That...that makes sense.

lizzybathory

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

It's humbling, but I can sometimes be wrong. I did try to do a little research on your claims of white people being worse off than others in SA, and found this is highly controversial? This fact-checking site tends to disagree with what you're saying: http://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

But if you have something else you think explains the other side well, I'd love to give it a look.

lizzybathory

Srs answer: I'm not saying that minorities/women/-sexuals aren't treated substandard on a social level. But rather this "privilege" that is thrown around isn't a privilege. It is how all people should expect to be treated as a standard.

This 'privilege' isn't like when your mom says that birthday parties are a privilege that needs to be earned, and not a right... this is kind of a different concept from that?

I fully agree, it'd be great if we could all be treated as well as straight white men are. But we aren't, and discussions of privilege are a way of acknowledging that. That's what we're talking about when we use the word privilege.

But words mean things.

Words do mean things. I welcome you to look it up: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/privilege

DavPul

Sure, if you are rich and can afford your own security and mercenaries.

Everyday farmers are being slaughtered. And who could have seen this coming when Zuma (the president) sings "kill the boers (whites) at televised events and celebrations? If white privilege exists in South Africa right now, why have none of you heard about what's going on? Why hasn't the UN stepped in when South African whites were placed on the genocide watch list? Nobody cares, that's why. That's some good white privilege right there.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

You're arguing with people who for the most part have never left their own country and see privilege as a one dimensional and binary concept. You either have it or you don't, and if you're white you have it and if you're not you don't. Concepts such socioeconomic status, childhood trauma, and educational level are not compatible with this concept, nor is a multi-racial identity.

Okay, off to find a cat gif, because meh.

So you're keen to all the happenings that she's referring to? I have no idea what's going on in her country right now, yet.....what she's now claiming is so far fetched it sounds straight from and even more right wing version if fox news. Perhaps you could share a link to the news site that you've been keeping abreast of the South African crime situation on?

I'm not sure how it proves that white privilege doesn't exist though, I mean, she has in essence said that it's a known fact that the majority enjoys great and tremendous privilege over the group not in power, up to and including the commission of heinous crimes against them without fear of retribution.

So, I'm glad we agree on that.

SunofaBeach14

Sure, if you are rich and can afford your own security and mercenaries.

Everyday farmers are being slaughtered. And who could have seen this coming when Zuma (the president) sings "kill the boers (whites) at televised events and celebrations? If white privilege exists in South Africa right now, why have none of you heard about what's going on? Why hasn't the UN stepped in when South African whites were placed on the genocide watch list? Nobody cares, that's why. That's some good white privilege right there.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

You're arguing with people who for the most part have never left their own country and see privilege as a one dimensional and binary concept. You either have it or you don't, and if you're white you have it and if you're not you don't. Concepts such socioeconomic status, childhood trauma, and educational level are not compatible with this concept, nor is a multi-racial identity.

Okay, off to find a cat gif, because meh.

Or. She doesn't understand what white privilege is.


But yes. Let's pretend that white people don't hold the vast majority of wealth and power in South Africa and try to hide that under a separate issue (genocide or anger on the part of the poor black majority). That...that makes sense.

Enjoy your anger. A part of me enjoys watching it.

shadowofyesterday

Wait a second...

I am a straight, white, middle class, male. I think this means I was born into priviledge


I need to know my privileges ASAP plz

Maybe trying to be funny ... but it's not working.

Here's a quick summary of some of your privileges, based on just one of the items on your list:

-If you have a bad day or are in a bad mood, people aren’t going to blame it on your sex
They blame it on my cray
-You can be careless with your money and not have people blame it on your sex
Um...yes they do
-You can be a careless driver and not have people blame it on your sex
Aren't women considered better drivers?
-You can be confident that your coworkers won’t assume you were hired because of your sex
I was hired because of my sex. Women are rarely hired into construction related positions.
-If you are never promoted, it isn’t because of your sex
Women don't get promoted?
-You can expect to be paid equitably for the work you do, and not paid less because of your sex
My company has pay grades and most women in non-factory positions get paid more than me.
-If you are unable to succeed in your career, that won’t be seen as evidence against your sex in the workplace
If a woman doesn't succeed, she can blame it on sexism
-A decision to hire you won’t be based on whether or not the employer assumes you will be having children in the near future
That is a legitimate concern to a business owner.
-Work comfortably (or walk down a public street) without the fear of sexual harassment
As a highly desirable male I deal with sexual harassment daily.
-Walk alone at night without the fear of being raped or otherwise harmed
As a man I could be jumped by degenerates, while walking alone, to prove their manhood.
-Go on a date with a stranger without the fear of being raped
During my last first date I said no repeatedly and was forced.
-Dress how you want and not worry it will be used as a defense if you are raped
I'm fairly sure that is no longer a valid defense.
-If you are straight, you are not likely to be abused by your partner, or to be told to continue living in an abusive household for your children
I've been hit by women.
-You can decide not to have children and not have your masculinity questioned
Yes it is. Men are told all of the time that "they will want to have children in the future".
-If you choose to have children, you will praised for caring for your children, instead of being expected to be the full-time caretaker
Plenty of women give SAHMs grief for choosing to stay at home and not entering the workforce.
-Balance a career and a family without being called selfish for not staying at home (or being constantly pressured to stay at home)
See above.
-If you are straight and decide to have children with your partner, you can assume this will not affect your career
Of course it would.
-If you rise to prominence in an organization/role, no one will assume it is because you slept your way to the top
If I did it will likely be because I did just that.
-You can seek political office without having your sex be a part of your platform
No, just my sexual preferences and relationships with the opposite sex scrutinized.
-You can seek political office without fear of your relationship with your children, or who you hire to take care of them, being scrutinized by the press
I'm pretty sure that this is false.
-Most political representatives share your sex, particularly the higher-ups
So?
-You can ask for the “person in charge” and will likely be greeted by a member of your sex
So?
-As a child, you were able to find plenty of non-limiting, gender role stereotyped media to view
I don't understand this.
-If you don’t spend much time on your appearance, you won’t have to worry about about being criticized at work or in social situations
My appearance is scrutinized daily.
-You can spend time on your appearance without having people criticizing you for upholding unhealthy gender norms
What?
-If you’re not conventionally attractive (or in shape), you don’t have to worry as much about that negatively affecting your potential
This is 100% false. Studies have shown that attractive people are promoted more.
-You are not pressured by peers and society to be thin as much as the opposite sex
Yet that pressure is still there.
-You’re not expected to spend excessive amounts of money on grooming, style, and appearance to fit in, while making less money than the opposite sex
Women are not pressured to do so either. Most women look fine with basic grooming.
-Have promiscuous sex and be viewed positively for it
Who thinks a man *kitten* is a good thing?
-You can go to a car dealership or mechanic and assume you’ll get a fair deal and not be taken advantage of
Those types try to take advantage of everyone.
-Expressions and conventional language reflects your sex (e.g., mailman, “all men are created equal”)
So?
-Every major religion in the world is led by individuals of your sex
I'm atheist.
-You can practice religion without subjugating yourself or thinking of yourself as less because of your sex
See above.
-You are less likely to be interrupted than members of the opposite sex
I get interrupted by women all of the time.

(h/t http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/2012/11/30-examples-of-male-privilege/#sthash.mIRp814T.dpuf)

DjinnMarie

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

It's humbling, but I can sometimes be wrong. I did try to do a little research on your claims of white people being worse off than others in SA, and found this is highly controversial? This fact-checking site tends to disagree with what you're saying: http://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

But if you have something else you think explains the other side well, I'd love to give it a look.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

Daiako

Sure, if you are rich and can afford your own security and mercenaries.

Everyday farmers are being slaughtered. And who could have seen this coming when Zuma (the president) sings "kill the boers (whites) at televised events and celebrations? If white privilege exists in South Africa right now, why have none of you heard about what's going on? Why hasn't the UN stepped in when South African whites were placed on the genocide watch list? Nobody cares, that's why. That's some good white privilege right there.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

You're arguing with people who for the most part have never left their own country and see privilege as a one dimensional and binary concept. You either have it or you don't, and if you're white you have it and if you're not you don't. Concepts such socioeconomic status, childhood trauma, and educational level are not compatible with this concept, nor is a multi-racial identity.

Okay, off to find a cat gif, because meh.

Or. She doesn't understand what white privilege is.


But yes. Let's pretend that white people don't hold the vast majority of wealth and power in South Africa and try to hide that under a separate issue (genocide or anger on the part of the poor black majority). That...that makes sense.

Enjoy your anger. A part of me enjoys watching it.

I like that you think this is anger and not just disgust.

SunofaBeach14

Sure, if you are rich and can afford your own security and mercenaries.

Everyday farmers are being slaughtered. And who could have seen this coming when Zuma (the president) sings "kill the boers (whites) at televised events and celebrations? If white privilege exists in South Africa right now, why have none of you heard about what's going on? Why hasn't the UN stepped in when South African whites were placed on the genocide watch list? Nobody cares, that's why. That's some good white privilege right there.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

You're arguing with people who for the most part have never left their own country and see privilege as a one dimensional and binary concept. You either have it or you don't, and if you're white you have it and if you're not you don't. Concepts such socioeconomic status, childhood trauma, and educational level are not compatible with this concept, nor is a multi-racial identity.

Okay, off to find a cat gif, because meh.

So you're keen to all the happenings that she's referring to? I have no idea what's going on in her country right now, yet.....what she's now claiming is so far fetched it sounds straight from and even more right wing version if fox news. Perhaps you could share a link to the news site that you've been keeping abreast of the South African crime situation on?

I'm not sure how it proves that white privilege doesn't exist though, I mean, she has in essence said that it's a known fact that the majority enjoys great and tremendous privilege over the group not in power, up to and including the commission of heinous crimes against them without fear of retribution.

So, I'm glad we agree on that.

I just have to talk to friends who have warned me repeatedly not to visit. I'll trust that. You're welcome to think that US news is complete and accurate, but it ignores pretty much most everything that goes on in Africa, whether it involves whites, blacks, or anyone else.

Besides, I never said white privilege doesn't exist (hell I wouldn't say that at all), but I did say that privilege is a multidimensional, and I find it amusing that these discussions always end up between one extreme and the other.

DavPul

Srs answer: I'm not saying that minorities/women/-sexuals aren't treated substandard on a social level. But rather this "privilege" that is thrown around isn't a privilege. It is how all people should expect to be treated as a standard.

This 'privilege' isn't like when your mom says that birthday parties are a privilege that needs to be earned, and not a right... this is kind of a different concept from that?

I fully agree, it'd be great if we could all be treated as well as straight white men are. But we aren't, and discussions of privilege are a way of acknowledging that. That's what we're talking about when we use the word privilege.

But words mean things.

Your words just described privilege

DjinnMarie

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

"While incomes for black households increased an average 169 percent over 10 years, their annual earnings are 60,613 rand ($6,987), or a sixth of that for whites, Statistics South Africa said in a report released in Cape Town today. About 80 percent of South Africa’s 51.8 million population is black."

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-30/south-africa-s-racial-income-inequality-persists-census-shows.html


Research.

The boers are farmers, 9% of the population. They make decent money. But you do realize the difference between income and "controlling of land, wealth and power". The ANC controls it.

Daiako

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

It's humbling, but I can sometimes be wrong. I did try to do a little research on your claims of white people being worse off than others in SA, and found this is highly controversial? This fact-checking site tends to disagree with what you're saying: http://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

But if you have something else you think explains the other side well, I'd love to give it a look.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

I'm skeptical of a site that starts out with 'so-called apartheid' in the first paragraph.

SunofaBeach14

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

"While incomes for black households increased an average 169 percent over 10 years, their annual earnings are 60,613 rand ($6,987), or a sixth of that for whites, Statistics South Africa said in a report released in Cape Town today. About 80 percent of South Africa’s 51.8 million population is black."

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-30/south-africa-s-racial-income-inequality-persists-census-shows.html


Research.

The boers are farmers, 9% of the population. They make decent money. But you do realize the difference between income and "controlling of land, wealth and power". The ANC controls it.

Just like all whites are the same in Africa, all blacks are the same, am I right? No differences there. At all.

DjinnMarie

The ANC cracks down on these attacks in tourist towns, obviously, but I definitely wouldn't venture out into the "local" areas.

Sure, if you are rich and can afford your own security and mercenaries.

Everyday farmers are being slaughtered. And who could have seen this coming when Zuma (the president) sings "kill the boers (whites) at televised events and celebrations? If white privilege exists in South Africa right now, why have none of you heard about what's going on? Why hasn't the UN stepped in when South African whites were placed on the genocide watch list? Nobody cares, that's why. That's some good white privilege right there.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

You're arguing with people who for the most part have never left their own country and see privilege as a one dimensional and binary concept. You either have it or you don't, and if you're white you have it and if you're not you don't. Concepts such socioeconomic status, childhood trauma, and educational level are not compatible with this concept, nor is a multi-racial identity.

Okay, off to find a cat gif, because meh.

So you're keen to all the happenings that she's referring to? I have no idea what's going on in her country right now, yet.....what she's now claiming is so far fetched it sounds straight from and even more right wing version if fox news. Perhaps you could share a link to the news site that you've been keeping abreast of the South African crime situation on?

I'm not sure how it proves that white privilege doesn't exist though, I mean, she has in essence said that it's a known fact that the majority enjoys great and tremendous privilege over the group not in power, up to and including the commission of heinous crimes against them without fear of retribution.

So, I'm glad we agree on that.

I just have to talk to friends who have warned me repeatedly not to visit. I'll trust that. You're welcome to think that US news is complete and accurate, but it ignores pretty much most everything that goes on in Africa, whether it involves whites, blacks, or anyone else.

Besides, I never said white privilege doesn't exist (hell I wouldn't say that at all), but I did say that privilege is a multidimensional, and I find it amusing that these discussions always end up between one extreme and the other.

DjinnMarie

That's not from the site, they publish letters and articles as well as independent studies. Good lord, did you even read the site? Are you really trying to say that genocide watch.org isn't a reliable site? Lmao..... I can see you are willing to learn.

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

It's humbling, but I can sometimes be wrong. I did try to do a little research on your claims of white people being worse off than others in SA, and found this is highly controversial? This fact-checking site tends to disagree with what you're saying: http://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

But if you have something else you think explains the other side well, I'd love to give it a look.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

I'm skeptical of a site that starts out with 'so-called apartheid' in the first paragraph.

lizzybathory

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

It's humbling, but I can sometimes be wrong. I did try to do a little research on your claims of white people being worse off than others in SA, and found this is highly controversial? This fact-checking site tends to disagree with what you're saying: http://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

But if you have something else you think explains the other side well, I'd love to give it a look.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

I'm skeptical of a site that starts out with 'so-called apartheid' in the first paragraph.

And all of the "read more" links just go to word documents and PDFs, not to other news stories. I'm open-minded, I'm trying to track down other sources and see original material that's not on this site, and I'm having a hard time. It's an incredibly hard site to verify - there's a lot of material here, that supports what she says, but I just can't find it elsewhere without just reading about how controversial it is.

DavPul

Srs answer: I'm not saying that minorities/women/-sexuals aren't treated substandard on a social level. But rather this "privilege" that is thrown around isn't a privilege. It is how all people should expect to be treated as a standard.

Umm...... But...... Nvm

If you think I'm wrong then by all means throw it out there. This isn't a topic I think very deeply on.

If being treated properly is something all individuals are entitled to, but only a select group of individuals enjoys, that group would be the privileged class.

You seem to be thinking in terms of who gets a higher level of service from the standard. But if there are large swaths of people that are getting a lower level....

Daiako

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

"While incomes for black households increased an average 169 percent over 10 years, their annual earnings are 60,613 rand ($6,987), or a sixth of that for whites, Statistics South Africa said in a report released in Cape Town today. About 80 percent of South Africa’s 51.8 million population is black."

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-30/south-africa-s-racial-income-inequality-persists-census-shows.html


Research.

The boers are farmers, 9% of the population. They make decent money. But you do realize the difference between income and "controlling of land, wealth and power". The ANC controls it.

I think you need yo understand that white privilege isn't something that is impacted by some white people being poor or not having power. You also need to understand you can't go 'its majority privilege' when it is in fact a minority group that has the wealth and power (even if you seem to think these aren't linked) because some members of that minority group aren't as well off.

You want to make a macro-concept apply on a micro level and that's not how it works.

There is white privilege in South Africa. To state otherwise is illogical.

douglasedward

And all of the "read more" links just go to word documents and PDFs, not to other news stories. I'm open-minded, I'm trying to track down other sources and see original material that's not on this site, and I'm having a hard time. It's an incredibly hard site to verify - there's a lot of material here, that supports what she says, but I just can't find it elsewhere without just reading about how controversial it is.

Here's some support for what she's saying: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/30/15571149-killings-of-white-farmers-highlight-toxic-apartheid-legacy-in-south-africa

"For while South Africa's overall annual murder rate has more than halved since the end of apartheid to around 32 people per 100,000, figures for commercial farmers show a near 50 percent rise to an average rate of some 290 per 100,000 a year in the five years to 2011."

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DjinnMarie

This is directly from genocide.org. No a republish of articles. If you don't think genocide.org is legit, then I don't know what else to say. It's like saying the mayo clinic is full of chit.

Why are Afrikaner farmers being murdered in South Africa?

by Leon Parkin & Gregory H. Stanton, President – Genocide Watch
14 August 2012
The following report is the result of an intensive personal inquiry in South Africa conducted July 23 -27, 2012.

Deliberate inaction of the South African Government has weakened rural security structures, facilitating Afrikaner farm murders, in order to terrorize white farmers into vacating their farms, advancing the ANC/S. A. Communist Party’s New Democratic Revolution (NDR.)

The South African Government for the last 18 years has adopted a policy of deliberate government abolition and disarmament of rural Commandos run by farmers themselves for their own self-defense. The policy has resulted in a four-fold increase in the murder rate of Afrikaner commercial farmers. This policy is aimed at forced displacement through terror. It advances the goals of the South African Communist Party’s New Democratic Revolution (NPR), which aims at nationalization of all private farmland, mines, and industry in South Africa. Disarmament, coupled with Government removal of security structures to protect the White victim group, follows public dehumanization of the victims, and facilitates their forced displacement and gradual genocide.

Afrikaner farm owners are being murdered at a rate four times the murder rate of other South Africans, including Black farm owners. Their families are also subjected to extremely high crime rates, including murder, rape, mutilation and torture of the victims. South African police fail to investigate or solve many of these murders, which are carried out by organized gangs, often armed with weapons that police have previously confiscated. The racial character of the killing is covered up by a SA government order prohibiting police from reporting murders by race. Instead the crisis is denied and the murders are dismissed as ordinary crime, ignoring the frequent mutilation of the victims’ bodies, a sure sign that these are hate crimes.

However, independent researchers have compiled accurate statistics demonstrating convincingly that murders among White farm owners occur at a rate of 97 per 100,000 per year, compared to 31 per 100,000 per year in the entire South African population, making the murder rate of White SA farmers one of the highest murder rates in the world.

Incitement to genocide is a crime under the International Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, to which South Africa is a state-party.

The ANC government has promoted hate speech that constitutes “incitement to genocide.” The President of the ANC Youth League, Julius Malema, revived the "Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer" hate song at ANC rallies, until it was declared to be hate speech by a South African judge, and Malema was enjoined from singing it. For other reasons, Malema was later removed as ANCYL President. His followers continue to sing the hate song, and the Deputy President of the ANCYL has called for “war,” against “white settlers.”

After the judge’s injunction to halt singing of the hate song, even the President of South Africa, ANC leader Jacob Zuma, himself, began to sing the “Shoot the Boer” song. Since Zuma began to sing the hate song on 12 January 2012, murders of White farmers increased every month through April 2012, the last month for which there are confirmed figures.

There is thus strong circumstantial evidence of government support for the campaign of forced displacement and atrocities against White farmers and their families. There is direct evidence of SA government incitement to genocide.

Forced displacement from their farms has inflicted on the Afrikaner ethnic group conditions of life calculated to bring about its complete or partial physical destruction, an act of genocide also prohibited by the Genocide Convention.

High-ranking ANC government officials who continuously refer to Whites as “settlers” and “colonialists of a special type” are using racial epithets in a campaign of state-sponsored dehumanization of the White population as a whole. They sanction gang-organized hate crimes against Whites, with the goal of terrorizing Whites through fear of genocidal annihilation.

What is dehumanization?

The process of dehumanization has the effect of numbing and decommissioning the moral sentiments of the perpetrator group. Polarization creates the “us vs. them” mentality, in SA the “Indigenous Black People” group versus the “White Settler Colonialist” group.

ANC leaders publicly incite followers using racial epithets. By dehumanizing the White victim group, members of the perpetrator group exclude the victim group from their circle of moral obligation not to kill its members. Dehumanization is the systematic, organized strategy of leaders to remove the inherent natural human restraints of people not to murder, rape, or torture other human beings. Taking the life of a dehumanized person becomes of no greater consequence than crushing an insect, slaughtering an animal, or killing a pest.

The ANC denies its genocidal intentions. But the South African Communist Party is more open about its plan to drive Whites out of South Africa. Gugile Nkwinti, South Africa’s Minister of Rural Development and Land Reform has declared that all “colonial struggles are about two things: ‘repossession of the land and the centrality of the indigenous population.’” Mister Nkwinti is confirming the goals of the South African Communist Party’s New Democratic Revolution (NDR) and stating that the colonial struggle is not yet over in post-1994 South Africa. He is saying that Whites are unwelcome “settler colonialists” with no role to play in South Africa’s future.

The Transvaal Agricultural Union, Freedom Front, Democratic Alliance, IFP, Afriforum and numerous other organizations have on a regular basis called for the South African Government to declare farm murders and rural policing a South African government priority. The President, who should be the guardian of the constitutional rights of all the people, has deliberately ignored these calls for action.

Former President F. W. De Klerk, on 25 July 2012 during the De Klerk Foundation's Crossroads conference correctly accused the current generation of ANC leaders of cynically manipulating racial sensitivities for political ends. In our analysis, the current ANC leadership also publicly uses incitement to genocide with the long-term goal of forcibly driving out or annihilating the White population from South Africa.

This report has explained the rationale for the deliberate inaction of South African government functionaries to prevent, prosecute, or stop the murders of Afrikaner farmers. As a group, Afrikaner farmers stand in the way of the South African Communist Party’s goal to implement their Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist New Democratic Revolution and specifically the confiscation of all rural land belonging to White Afrikaner farmers.

Genocide Watch is moving South Africa back to Stage 6, the Preparation stage in the genocidal process.

Copyright 2012 Leon Parkin & Dr. Gregory H. Stanton

They DO NOT! What an ignorant statement. Do some research. Those who do own small to moderate farms are being seized by the government. Just like in Zimbabwe. You are horribly misinformed.

Wait, aren't white people in South Africa pretty well off?

In spite of being the minority they control the vast majority of industry, land, and wealth.

That is white privilege. The notion that hard times, even overwhelming gross and disgusting circumstances, invalidates this is..laughable and shows a lack if understanding of the concept.

It's humbling, but I can sometimes be wrong. I did try to do a little research on your claims of white people being worse off than others in SA, and found this is highly controversial? This fact-checking site tends to disagree with what you're saying: http://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/

But if you have something else you think explains the other side well, I'd love to give it a look.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

I'm skeptical of a site that starts out with 'so-called apartheid' in the first paragraph.

And all of the "read more" links just go to word documents and PDFs, not to other news stories. I'm open-minded, I'm trying to track down other sources and see original material that's not on this site, and I'm having a hard time. It's an incredibly hard site to verify - there's a lot of material here, that supports what she says, but I just can't find it elsewhere without just reading about how controversial it is.

douglasedward

Here's some support for what she's saying: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/30/15571149-killings-of-white-farmers-highlight-toxic-apartheid-legacy-in-south-africa

"For while South Africa's overall annual murder rate has more than halved since the end of apartheid to around 32 people per 100,000, figures for commercial farmers show a near 50 percent rise to an average rate of some 290 per 100,000 a year in the five years to 2011."

But, of course, from the same source: "Land ownership ratios are little changed from 1913, when the Natives' Land Act set aside 87 percent of land for whites."