Fit For Future Families - January 2011

AlisaToth

Erica- I'm posting this from my phone so I'll send my chart later, my temps never really spiked persay...the week I should have my thermometer broke, then I started again with a new one but I'm concerned that I either didn't ovulate or did, got pregnant and it leveled out, my temps range on any given day from 96.2-97.3 with no pattern....I might test in the morning, I'm at the end of CD33 and haven't even had any spotting....just clear/white slick discharge (sorry TMI)

fitterpam

I know there are a few PCOSers here...what are your thoughts on temping? I've done it off and on and my temps are always crazy and never ever consistent. Should I still do it or just use my OPK next month? Also, when exactly is a good time to take Robitussin to help thin secretions?

Temping never worked for me - it just drove me mad :explode: I'm still silly enough to try it next month, so if you think that some of your issues have been resolved, I say try it......

Robitussen probably should start Day 10, but there is some controversy around it. I know when we first started TTC someone recommended Green Tea to me. I was drinking about 5 cups of it a day and I know it was working because I've never had such a runny nose (that's not meant to be crying.....LOL After getting on here, I learned that green tea isn't good to take in the 2ww though and that it's best to switch to pomegranate juice after O'ing, but then I read that pomegranate is an estrogen mimicker (the other day), so I'm not sure now. Green tea does work to thin secretions though...definitely as does proper hydration.

AnneElise - so happy to hear that you're sick all the time. LOL It means that there is definitely a little peanut in there Can't believe you're 10 weeks along already. Thanks for the update and can't wait to hear about your little one.

JennyBoBenny

Yay Anne Elise! Nice to see you! So happy things are going well! Wow, you're close to second trimester! Woo hoo! Sorry to hear you're so sick and so tired... but at the same time I CAN'T WAIT to be sick and tired!!

Happy Friday everyone!

heathercrist1

Thanks Pam for the info. I feel with making a baby and nutrition I get more "this is good/this is bad" then anything else in this world! It gets so confusing! Maybe I will just stick to preseed, acupuncture, OPK, metformin, and Clomid of course. I started taking wheat germ oil and increased my omega 3's as well. I actually found this link at some point throughout my search for "the answer" after my miscarriages:

http://community.babycenter.com/journal/nursinghope/3038643/complete_shock

It is scary how similar my story is with hers (almost identical in some instances). I'm following the same eating plan and the same supplements (except the vitamin she took which I believe is to induce a cycle which I don't have problems with). It is a light at the end of the tunnel for me because of her outcome. Sometimes that is all we need is to see someone with our problem get the solution we want/need!

Hope you all have a wonderful Friday! Make healthy choices my friends!

epa422

Erica- I'm posting this from my phone so I'll send my chart later, my temps never really spiked persay...the week I should have my thermometer broke, then I started again with a new one but I'm concerned that I either didn't ovulate or did, got pregnant and it leveled out, my temps range on any given day from 96.2-97.3 with no pattern....I might test in the morning, I'm at the end of CD33 and haven't even had any spotting....just clear/white slick discharge (sorry TMI)

Yeah, a new thermometer could definitely mess with your pattern and make it hard to determine O. Good luck testing!

I should throw in there, though, that those are REALLY LOW temps, especially for post-O. That's where my pre-O temps range and my temps are low due to hypothyroidism. Have you ever gotten your thyroid levels checked?

AlisaToth

Well...I caved and tested this morning and the reading on the digital screen said "not pregnant" .
To be honest, I only half believe that. When I was pregnant with my son I took test after test saying not pregnant, not pregnant, then finally went to the Dr. 2 weeks later and they confirmed. Going to just relax and give it some time then test again maybe next week if AF hasn't shown up. I'm honestly not super upset that i'm not pregnant, im mad that i'm not pregnant AND AF hasn't shown up yet....our window of conception is getting smaller and smaller
I'm trying to determine something though...if maybe i ovulated later then wouldn't my 2ww be different? I used a different type of OPK this month (the kind where you have to determine if the line is darker than the test line) and it LOOKED like it was positive on CD15 but what if it wasn't and i misread it and i really didn't O until say CD25 which was when the hubs and I stopped using condoms bc we thought we were in the clear so if i didn't O until then...wouldn't it be CD39 that would be appropriate to test? Ugh...I'm sooooo confused!!!:explode: :explode:

epa422

I'm trying to determine something though...if maybe i ovulated later then wouldn't my 2ww be different? I used a different type of OPK this month (the kind where you have to determine if the line is darker than the test line) and it LOOKED like it was positive on CD15 but what if it wasn't and i misread it and i really didn't O until say CD25 which was when the hubs and I stopped using condoms bc we thought we were in the clear so if i didn't O until then...wouldn't it be CD39 that would be appropriate to test? Ugh...I'm sooooo confused!!!:explode: :explode:

Yes, if you O late, then AF will be correspondingly late. So if you didn't O until CD 25 and you have a 14 day LP, then AF would be late until CD 41.

Also, clear slick discharge is fertile CM. It could mean that you're Oing now or it could mean that AF is on her way.

fitterpam

I'm trying to determine something though...if maybe i ovulated later then wouldn't my 2ww be different? I used a different type of OPK this month (the kind where you have to determine if the line is darker than the test line) and it LOOKED like it was positive on CD15 but what if it wasn't and i misread it and i really didn't O until say CD25 which was when the hubs and I stopped using condoms bc we thought we were in the clear so if i didn't O until then...wouldn't it be CD39 that would be appropriate to test? Ugh...I'm sooooo confused!!!:explode: :explode:

Yes, if you O late, then AF will be correspondingly late. So if you didn't O until CD 25 and you have a 14 day LP, then AF would be late until CD 41.

Also, clear slick discharge is fertile CM. It could mean that you're Oing now or it could mean that AF is on her way.

I was just going to say the same thing on the CM...LOL. That coupled with the lower temps, maybe you should also do an OPK, just to be sure. With the holidays and hubs home and stress from the last few weeks, then maybe it was a delayed cycle.

jalara

Wow! So much going on!

Alisa - I wish you luck. Your LP doesn't start until you O, so if you O late, then your cycle would be longer. It's a big pain when you're TTC, but that's where temping comes in handy. I hope it all works out for the +!!!

Green Tea/Pomegranate Juice: So the stitch is that you're supposed to drink Green Tea every day until O to increase CM, but not after because it can cause uterine cramps (which is not goos when want implantation). You're supposed to drink Pomegranate Juice (the more pure the better) to increase the uterine lining, you drink it from CD 1 until O. I did Pom for 1 month had it worked for me... with horrid consequences: I had the worst AF I have ever had - the thicker lining meant worsened cramps for my body to expel it.

Just thought I'd "weigh in".

Here's a link to The Bump's intro for TTC - it's some good info (even though it's filled with attitude). http://community.thebump.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/42877040.aspx

AlisaToth

Thanks Ladies! I don't know what i would do w/o all your knowledge! You guys are awesome! :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:

I went ahead and made a dr. appointment for next week to have all my levels checks, thyroid issues run in my family (grandfather, mother and brother all have problems) so i'm going to have them check that for sure! I'm sure if AF hasn't shown up by then they will check for preggo then too, so i'll just hold off on re-testing until then.

We BD'd last night, so hopefully if this CM is in fact fertile it was a good time for it, but the hubs has been sick so hopefully we can get busy a few more times....i also just went to the store and bought the digital OPK's that i like, so we'll see!

fitterpam

The weird thing about the pom juice is that it was used in ancient greece (I think, that's what I read) as an oral contraceptive so maybe they just had lots of unplanned pregnancies....LOL

I found this neat calculator on an IVF site that they say is pretty reliable and it makes me feel a little better about IVF http://www.ivfpredict.com/. It's to determine average success rates for live birth based on 144,000 IVF experiences. I know that where you go makes a huge diffference, but I feel better about laying down such a huge chunk of change to have a 31.1% chance of walking out of it with a baby :smooched:

Leaving work in a few minutes so I can go and see my new little friend .... awwww it's baby week for me!!! YAY I'm going to sniff up all that newborn smell hopefully to trigger my body to get pregnant....HA, if it were only that easy

epa422

Ha! You and I view odds differently. I'm glad it made you feel better, though. :flowerforyou:

epa422

This was an interesting read: http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Fulltext/2001/01000/Reliability_of_Ovulation_Tests_in_Infertile_Women.19.aspx.

It discusses temping and says it's fairly inaccurate for pinpointing the day of ovulation. When compared to other methods, it was as much as 6 days before to 4 days after the shift. However, it is good for confirming that you did in fact O at some point. I guess this goes to show that you just need to keep BDing even after a confirmed shift.

fitterpam

Ha! You and I view odds differently. I'm glad it made you feel better, though. :flowerforyou:

LMAO - too funny. It absolutely isn't a great stat but it's only about half of the non-IVF live birth rate. Right now I have a 0% chance of conception (or it might be a little higher since the surgery). They think that up to 30% of pregnancies are unsuccessful, but in only half of those the women are aware they're pregnant. So if my chance for an unsuccessful pregancy is only 59.4% or something like that, it's not terrible, considering I'm working with decreased odds for conception. I thought it would be way lower than it is with my specific conditions.

epa422

I'm sure if I'd been trying as long as you have and gone through the things you have gone through, I would agree with you. And it's not a bad percentage. I just want 99% for the amount of money they want. But I know that's not possible.

fitterpam

I'm sure if I'd been trying as long as you have and gone through the things you have gone through, I would agree with you. And it's not a bad percentage. I just want 99% for the amount of money they want. But I know that's not possible.

Actually...LOL for some people, they do offer a guarantee. The guaranteed treatments are a little more money, I think about $5K, but if it doesn't work the first time, they will do the treatments for free for the next 2 rounds (which are about 5K a piece), but only if you meet certain criteria (which we don't).

I totally get what you're saying. That's why we turned to adoption originally....we thought that there were kids sitting out there waiting for parents so it would be guaranteed.....LOL

I totally caved on the sugar detox after coming out from seeing my friend and her little boy today.....bought a big old bar of dark salted chocolate and ate the whole thing on the way home. Nah, I'm not an emotional eater. I actually left there feeling hopeful that this time next year, I'll have one that tiny

Hopeful4757

AlisaToth - I'm sorry about your test result today. Like some of the other women said though, maybe it was too early of a test if they say to wait until CD 35. I think it's good to make the appointment to get more info. I think that might be my next step too.

Everybody else - you all post so much good info. I am just making sure I have all this right - "O" means ovulation? What is "2ww?" I'm guessing it's the 2 weeks between ovulation and seeing if you get your period? Sorry - I'm not as familiar with the lingo. I probably should look it up online somewhere.

Happy Friday everybody!

AlisaToth

Hopeful - Yes, 2ww is the two week wait from ovulation to AF

So i was kinda crampy today then started to feel "gushy" again so i thought AWESOME! I must have started my period! Rushed home and thought well if i haven't started I'll use on of the OPK's...(ovulation predictor kits) so i go potty...and no AF...CM is no longer watery/slick it's now thick and is DEF egg-whites...negative on the OPK...I just told the hubs we're going to BD every night until either a BFP or AF shows...I wish my body would freaking make up it's mind!! I'm praying i am not having one of those non-ovulatory cycles... All things i'm going to discuss with the Dr. on Tuesday...but Tuesday seems so far away....FF says i'm fertile right now i guess based on my CM

JennyBoBenny

Hopeful (and anyone else) - I borrowed this from another forum I'm on about TTC. Hope it helps!

0 - 9
2WW (aka. TWW) - Two Week Wait - Luteal Phase - 14 days after ovulation

A
AF - Aunt Flo, menstruation, period
AH - Assisted Hatching
AI - Artificial Insemination
AKA - Also Known As

B
BABY ASPIRIN - aka. children's aspirin which contains only 80mg of aspirin used to quiet immune system
BAW - Board at work
BBT - Basal Body Temperature
BD - Baby Dance, Sex
Beta - Blood test for PG
BFN - Big Fat Negative (Pregnancy Tests)
BFP - Big Fat Positive (Pregnancy Test)
BTW - By the way
BC - Birth Control
BCP - Birth Control Pills
BIL - Brother inlaw
BBs - BooBies AKA Breasts, Boobs, funbags etc
BA - Baby Aspirin
BM - Breast Milk
BPM - Beats per minute
BOB - Baby on board

C
CB - Clear Blue Pregnancy Test
CBFM - Clear Blue Fertility Monitor
CD - Cycle Day
CL - Corpus Luteum
CM- Cervical Mucus, Icky Sticky
CP - Cervical Position
C# - Cycle Number
CP - Cervical Position

D
DD - Dear Daughter
DH- Dear Husband
DP - Dancing Partner; spouse, or significant other
DPO - Days Past Ovulation
DB - Dear Boyfriend
DS - Dear Son
DTD - Doing The Dance, BD, sex
DPT - Days Post-Transfer
D&C - Dilate and Curetage

E
EC - Embryo Cyro/Freezing
EDD - Estimated Due Date
EPO - Evening Primrose Oil
EWCM - Egg-White Cervical Mucus
ER - Egg Retrieval
ET - Egg transfer
EPT - Early Pregnancy Test
EPU - Early pregnancy unit
ETA - Edited to add
EVAP - Evapouration

F
FIL - Father in law
FMU - First morning urine
FOB - Father of baby
FRER - First Response Early Result (Pregnancy Test)
FXed - Fingers crossed
FRER - First response early result
FAO - For attention of

G
GP - General Practitioner
Gyno - Gynocologist

H
HCG - Human Chorionic Gonadotropin - detected in HPTs
HPT - Home Pregnancy Test
HSG - Hysterosalpingogram - x-ray
HB - Heartbeat

I
ICSI Microfertilization
IUI - Intrauterine Insemination
IVF - In Vitro Fertilization
IC - Internet Cheapie
IYKWIM - If you know what i mean
IRL - In real life
IYO - In your opinion
IMO - In my opinion
IB - Implantation bleeding

K
KEGELS - The muscle used to stop the flow of urine.

L
LH - Luteinizing Hormone - detected in OPKs
LOL - Laughing Out Loud
LP - Luteal Phase, days between ov & AF
LMAO - Laughing my *kitten* off
LAP - Laparoscopy
LMP - Last Menstrual Period
LSP - Low Sperm Count
LO - Little One

M
MC, m/c - Miscarriage
MMC - Missed miscarriage
MF - MaleFactor
MIL - Mother in law
M/S, MS - Morning Sickness
NP - No Problem

N
NTNP - Not trying, not preventing

O
O or OV - Ovulation
OH - Other Half
OPK - Ovulation Predictor Kit
OB/GYN - Obstetrician/Gynecologist
OMG - Oh My God
OP - Original poster

P
PG - Pregnancy, pregnant
PNV - Prenatal Vitamin
PCO - Polycystic Ovaries
PCOD - Polycystic Ovary Disease
PCOS - Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
PMA - Positive mental attitude
PMS - Pre-menstrual Syndrome
POAS - Pee on a stick (Home Pregnancy Test)
PND - Post Natal Depression
PGP - see SPD

R
RE - Reproductive Endocronolgist - doctor who specializes in fertility problems
R-FSH - Recombinant Human Follicle Stimulating Hormone
ROBI - A term used which refers to Robitussin or Guaifenesin Syrup (expectorant) used to thin CM
ROFL - Rolling on the Floor Laughing

S
SOD - Sex on Demand
SA - Semen Analysis
SAHM - Stay at Home Mom
SAHD - Stay-At-Home Dad
SIL - Sister in law
STD - Sexually Transmitted Disease
SMEP - Sperm meets egg plan
SPD - Symphisis pubis dysfunction - Also know as PGP, Pelvic girdle pain

T
TCOYF - *“Taking Charge of Your Fertility*” by Toni Weschler
TR - Tubal Reversal
TTC - Trying To Conceive
TMI - Too Much Information
TR - Tubal Reversal
TIA - Thanks in Advance
TWW - Two week wait

U
U/S - Ultrasound
UTI - Urinary Tract Infection

W
WAH - Work at Home
WAHM - Work at Home Mum
WAHD - Work at Home Dad
WAHP - Work at Home Parents

Y
YI Yeast Infection

heathercrist1

And people wonder why us mere mortals get confused with all the ttc "lingo"?! lol!

epa422

It makes me feel both brilliant that I know all of those acronyms and sad that I've been TTC so long that I know all of those acronyms. :huh:

fitterpam

It makes me feel both brilliant that I know all of those acronyms and sad that I've been TTC so long that I know all of those acronyms. :huh:

What makes me sad is that I use them without thinking....even when I'm talking to people. I tell people the best thing they can do when TTC is BD every other day from Day 10 until they are sure they have ovulated.....LOL I sure do get funny looks....and then the question...what's a BD?

JennyBoBenny

I set up a game during my ladies work xmas party where we all secretly wrote down our biggest wish for 2011 "Dear Santa, all I want for xmas is...." and of course I wrote a BFP. Then we had to guess who said what... no one guessed mine because they didn't know what it was! I laughed so hard because my boss said "What's that? Big Fat Penis??" :noway: LMAO!! And I was like "um... well... ok!" :bigsmile: :laugh:

fitterpam

I set up a game during my ladies work xmas party where we all secretly wrote down our biggest wish for 2011 "Dear Santa, all I want for xmas is...." and of course I wrote a BFP. Then we had to guess who said what... no one guessed mine because they didn't know what it was! I laughed so hard because my boss said "What's that? Big Fat Penis??" :noway: LMAO!! And I was like "um... well... ok!" :bigsmile: :laugh:

OMG - that is the funniest thing ever!!!!!!!

poeticpurl

I set up a game during my ladies work xmas party where we all secretly wrote down our biggest wish for 2011 "Dear Santa, all I want for xmas is...." and of course I wrote a BFP. Then we had to guess who said what... no one guessed mine because they didn't know what it was! I laughed so hard because my boss said "What's that? Big Fat Penis??" :noway: LMAO!! And I was like "um... well... ok!" :bigsmile: :laugh:

I laughed and had to tell my coworker. we are both ttcing. She the traditional way. While I am just waiting to O for the start of the IUI process.

The list was very helpful.

heathercrist1

Epic fail tonight...now sure what caused it, maybe being alone on a Friday night, maybe having a long, hectic week, maybe waiting too long to eat I don't know, but I ended up eating 2 slices of thin crust meat lovers pizza and a 2 cups of Ben and Jerry's ice cream. Gah! Oh well...guess that was my "cheat meal" for the week. Hopefully next week things won't be quite to crazy. Ugh.

ron2282

I think pre-seed is the reason I'm getting UTI's. We started using it last month and I got a UTI for the first time in a year and a half. I figured it just was because I wasn't jumping up to go to the bathroom right after. I finally got over the UTI and AF and after BD'ing ONCE with pre-seed, I wake up this morning and it's back. :mad: Has anyone else had this problem?

heathercrist1

I think pre-seed is the reason I'm getting UTI's. We started using it last month and I got a UTI for the first time in a year and a half. I figured it just was because I wasn't jumping up to go to the bathroom right after. I finally got over the UTI and AF and after BD'ing ONCE with pre-seed, I wake up this morning and it's back. :mad: Has anyone else had this problem?

I'm prone to UTI's and I've used preseed several times and absolutely love it! It is the same pH as your body and essentially the same kind of fluids that you produce naturally so I'm not sure if that could cause your UTI. Did you jump up right after this last dance or lay there for a while? I suggest you start taking a cranberry pill supplement to help so you don't get anymore UTIs.

ron2282

I think pre-seed is the reason I'm getting UTI's. We started using it last month and I got a UTI for the first time in a year and a half. I figured it just was because I wasn't jumping up to go to the bathroom right after. I finally got over the UTI and AF and after BD'ing ONCE with pre-seed, I wake up this morning and it's back. :mad: Has anyone else had this problem?

I'm prone to UTI's and I've used preseed several times and absolutely love it! It is the same pH as your body and essentially the same kind of fluids that you produce naturally so I'm not sure if that could cause your UTI. Did you jump up right after this last dance or lay there for a while? I suggest you start taking a cranberry pill supplement to help so you don't get anymore UTIs.

I got up right away this time, last month was so painful I didn't want a repeat. I have to go to the drug store later, I'll get cranberry pills then. My doctor office is closed on the weekends so I'm stuck until Monday. Ughh....this sucks!!!

Hopeful4757

OMG!!! The list of acronyms made me laugh!! I actually saved it so I could reference later :happy: . It was very helpful. Thank you. And, when I copied it, it was FOUR pages long! :laugh:

It made me think that all of the women going through this 20 years ago did not have access to half the knowledge and support that people can have nowadays. I'm usually not a big computer person, but this aspect of it is nice.