How do you get rid of toxins?
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I'm wondering when "natural" started meaning "safe" and "better".nakedraygun wrote: »
Dear FSM.ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »I'm just going to go ahead and post this for the lurkers, about the essential oils thing and doTERRA specifically.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/doterra-multilevel-marketing-of-essential-oils/
A family friend of ours has an infant son who has been having all sorts of allergic reactions and digestive issues. The mom is breastfeeding, and she wound up going on a pretty extreme elimination diet to try and alleviate the symptoms. After literally months of hives, allergy tests, gastric distress, and so on, they figured out it was basically because she was overdosing her son on essential oils (!!!!!). She had been applying them straight to her skin, ingesting them, and applying them to her son. I can't even explain to you the rage I feel about the local mommy cults that exist that promote such irresponsible and dangerous behavior.
One wonders why if someone intends to use something as a medicine, why resort to a nostrum that is not held to the same rigorous standards that the rest of medical science is held to? On one hand is the corpus of medical science and on the other hand there are people who read the internet and play doctor.
around the same time people started fearing unnamed terrors in the night.
So, forever. Thanks folk medicine. >_<0 -
V=IR. Trust me on this one.0
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chivalryder wrote: »....And I really hope it wasn't a high voltage of electricity...
Did you know that high voltage is less fatal than low voltage? Low voltage shocks are most likely to cause defib of the heart, which is very difficult to correct since your heart is still beating, but not well enough to keep you alive. High volt shocks are more likely to temporarily stop your heart, at which point your heart is more likely to resume natural rhythm on it's own. Learned it in my one electrical engineering class and I was shocked (get it)! Note: I'm not talking lighting strikes here...
Did you know that voltage has nothing to do with electricity's ability to kill you?
You're talking about current. Over 0.1 amps is enough to kill you. Below that, and no matter how much or how little voltage you have, it will not kill you (unless you have an underlying medical condition).
Voltage and current are related though. Given the same resistance, low voltage will have high current. High voltage will have low current. Therefore, high voltage is less likely to kill you, if the resistance is low enough (again, given the same voltage, high resistance will have higher current, lower resistance will have lower current).
I = V*R
I = current
V = Voltage
R = resistance
Trust me, I took grade 9 physics.
I hope the bolded was the punchline, because the rest of your post is completely wrong. Ohm's law: V=IR, not I=VR.
Shhhh.... there may have been a reason I went the civil engineering route instead of electrical... shhhh... wait... did someone just save me there? Maybe! I remember all of one fact and I might not even have it right. *sigh*...
I also am not doing well with coding related to quoting.
Quiet now! It was over 14 years ago!
But I am right. I = V*R
http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/ohm/Q.ohm.intro.html
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HardcoreP0rk wrote: »
you can't.HardcoreP0rk wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »bsballmom55 wrote: »You know I don't comment on much around here but reading this post makes me think yall are a bunch of bully's. Do you really need to mock this person message after message? Let it go.
This thread stopped being about the OP a long time ago. Now people are mocking alt-med in general.
For the record, I hate alt-med and will mock it at every turn. Not the people who are fleeced by it, but the people who do the fleecing. They absolutely deserve to be mocked.
We were just having this discussion at work because I read an article that the NY Attorney General has banned several vitamins and supplements that were genetically tested and found to have no trace of the substance they claimed to be in their product. We were wondering how the hell you make the decision that you are going to sell a product and then just say "and we can save money by not actually putting that ingredient in there"...
What is wrong with people?!
How do you genetically test a vitamin?
It has no genes.
Rhetorical question.
I know that. You know that.
Does the lurker know that?
Does the person who fears mercury in vaccines know that?HardcoreP0rk wrote: »
you can't.HardcoreP0rk wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »bsballmom55 wrote: »You know I don't comment on much around here but reading this post makes me think yall are a bunch of bully's. Do you really need to mock this person message after message? Let it go.
This thread stopped being about the OP a long time ago. Now people are mocking alt-med in general.
For the record, I hate alt-med and will mock it at every turn. Not the people who are fleeced by it, but the people who do the fleecing. They absolutely deserve to be mocked.
We were just having this discussion at work because I read an article that the NY Attorney General has banned several vitamins and supplements that were genetically tested and found to have no trace of the substance they claimed to be in their product. We were wondering how the hell you make the decision that you are going to sell a product and then just say "and we can save money by not actually putting that ingredient in there"...
What is wrong with people?!
How do you genetically test a vitamin?
It has no genes.
Rhetorical question.
I know that. You know that.
Does the lurker know that?
Does the person who fears mercury in vaccines know that?
There's no hope for the person who fears mercury in vaccines anyway.0 -
chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »....And I really hope it wasn't a high voltage of electricity...
Did you know that high voltage is less fatal than low voltage? Low voltage shocks are most likely to cause defib of the heart, which is very difficult to correct since your heart is still beating, but not well enough to keep you alive. High volt shocks are more likely to temporarily stop your heart, at which point your heart is more likely to resume natural rhythm on it's own. Learned it in my one electrical engineering class and I was shocked (get it)! Note: I'm not talking lighting strikes here...
Did you know that voltage has nothing to do with electricity's ability to kill you?
You're talking about current. Over 0.1 amps is enough to kill you. Below that, and no matter how much or how little voltage you have, it will not kill you (unless you have an underlying medical condition).
Voltage and current are related though. Given the same resistance, low voltage will have high current. High voltage will have low current. Therefore, high voltage is less likely to kill you, if the resistance is low enough (again, given the same voltage, high resistance will have higher current, lower resistance will have lower current).
I = V*R
I = current
V = Voltage
R = resistance
Trust me, I took grade 9 physics.
I hope the bolded was the punchline, because the rest of your post is completely wrong. Ohm's law: V=IR, not I=VR.
Shhhh.... there may have been a reason I went the civil engineering route instead of electrical... shhhh... wait... did someone just save me there? Maybe! I remember all of one fact and I might not even have it right. *sigh*...
I also am not doing well with coding related to quoting.
Quiet now! It was over 14 years ago!
But I am right. I = V*R
http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/ohm/Q.ohm.intro.html
V = I/R
From your link:
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I'm wondering when "natural" started meaning "safe" and "better".nakedraygun wrote: »
Dear FSM.ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »I'm just going to go ahead and post this for the lurkers, about the essential oils thing and doTERRA specifically.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/doterra-multilevel-marketing-of-essential-oils/
A family friend of ours has an infant son who has been having all sorts of allergic reactions and digestive issues. The mom is breastfeeding, and she wound up going on a pretty extreme elimination diet to try and alleviate the symptoms. After literally months of hives, allergy tests, gastric distress, and so on, they figured out it was basically because she was overdosing her son on essential oils (!!!!!). She had been applying them straight to her skin, ingesting them, and applying them to her son. I can't even explain to you the rage I feel about the local mommy cults that exist that promote such irresponsible and dangerous behavior.
One wonders why if someone intends to use something as a medicine, why resort to a nostrum that is not held to the same rigorous standards that the rest of medical science is held to? On one hand is the corpus of medical science and on the other hand there are people who read the internet and play doctor.
Hippies.
Actually its a simple emotional appeal - making an appeal to nature. My product is "natural" yours is not, it imparts some kind of judgement. When did it become a marketing practice? Probably sometime just before the DSHEA was passed thus deregulating that whole industry.
So hippies.0 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »
Dear FSM.ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »I'm just going to go ahead and post this for the lurkers, about the essential oils thing and doTERRA specifically.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/doterra-multilevel-marketing-of-essential-oils/
A family friend of ours has an infant son who has been having all sorts of allergic reactions and digestive issues. The mom is breastfeeding, and she wound up going on a pretty extreme elimination diet to try and alleviate the symptoms. After literally months of hives, allergy tests, gastric distress, and so on, they figured out it was basically because she was overdosing her son on essential oils (!!!!!). She had been applying them straight to her skin, ingesting them, and applying them to her son. I can't even explain to you the rage I feel about the local mommy cults that exist that promote such irresponsible and dangerous behavior.
One wonders why if someone intends to use something as a medicine, why resort to a nostrum that is not held to the same rigorous standards that the rest of medical science is held to? On one hand is the corpus of medical science and on the other hand there are people who read the internet and play doctor.
You referenced FSM.
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Aside from the "toxins" discussion, has anyone else noticed how much MFP changed in 4 years? Wonder if 4 years into the future people would look at our posts and smirk.0
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amusedmonkey wrote: »Aside from the "toxins" discussion, has anyone else noticed how much MFP changed in 4 years? Wonder if 4 years into the future people would look at our posts and smirk.
If you bump them, they will come...and smirk.0 -
how much do toxins weight?0
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amusedmonkey wrote: »Aside from the "toxins" discussion, has anyone else noticed how much MFP changed in 4 years? Wonder if 4 years into the future people would look at our posts and smirk.
I did notice. I do wonder how much things will change in the future.0 -
chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »....And I really hope it wasn't a high voltage of electricity...
Did you know that high voltage is less fatal than low voltage? Low voltage shocks are most likely to cause defib of the heart, which is very difficult to correct since your heart is still beating, but not well enough to keep you alive. High volt shocks are more likely to temporarily stop your heart, at which point your heart is more likely to resume natural rhythm on it's own. Learned it in my one electrical engineering class and I was shocked (get it)! Note: I'm not talking lighting strikes here...
Did you know that voltage has nothing to do with electricity's ability to kill you?
You're talking about current. Over 0.1 amps is enough to kill you. Below that, and no matter how much or how little voltage you have, it will not kill you (unless you have an underlying medical condition).
Voltage and current are related though. Given the same resistance, low voltage will have high current. High voltage will have low current. Therefore, high voltage is less likely to kill you, if the resistance is low enough (again, given the same voltage, high resistance will have higher current, lower resistance will have lower current).
I = V*R
I = current
V = Voltage
R = resistance
Trust me, I took grade 9 physics.
I hope the bolded was the punchline, because the rest of your post is completely wrong. Ohm's law: V=IR, not I=VR.
Shhhh.... there may have been a reason I went the civil engineering route instead of electrical... shhhh... wait... did someone just save me there? Maybe! I remember all of one fact and I might not even have it right. *sigh*...
I also am not doing well with coding related to quoting.
Quiet now! It was over 14 years ago!
But I am right. I = V*R
http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/ohm/Q.ohm.intro.html
V = I/R
Ummmm.... Nope. If so, then every other EE ever has been doing it wrong.0 -
My guess, there will still be the same old battles of science vs pseudo-science and SBM vs pseudo-medicine. Readers in the future will recognize much of this, that is, if the zombies don't get here first.amusedmonkey wrote: »Aside from the "toxins" discussion, has anyone else noticed how much MFP changed in 4 years? Wonder if 4 years into the future people would look at our posts and smirk.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »
My guess, there will still be the same old battles of science vs pseudo-science and SBM vs pseudo-medicine. Readers in the future will recognize much of this, that is, if the zombies don't get here first.amusedmonkey wrote: »Aside from the "toxins" discussion, has anyone else noticed how much MFP changed in 4 years? Wonder if 4 years into the future people would look at our posts and smirk.
And now zombies. I might be crushin on you a little. In a non-creepy way.0 -
HardcoreP0rk wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »bsballmom55 wrote: »You know I don't comment on much around here but reading this post makes me think yall are a bunch of bully's. Do you really need to mock this person message after message? Let it go.
This thread stopped being about the OP a long time ago. Now people are mocking alt-med in general.
For the record, I hate alt-med and will mock it at every turn. Not the people who are fleeced by it, but the people who do the fleecing. They absolutely deserve to be mocked.
We were just having this discussion at work because I read an article that the NY Attorney General has banned several vitamins and supplements that were genetically tested and found to have no trace of the substance they claimed to be in their product. We were wondering how the hell you make the decision that you are going to sell a product and then just say "and we can save money by not actually putting that ingredient in there"...
What is wrong with people?!
How do you genetically test a vitamin?
Chiming in to say these tests are conducted using reference standards where the composition of the purported vitamins and supplements are compared via a number of analytical tests to a certified reference material. If there are biologics in the supplement, then genetic comparison could be one of the analytical methods I suppose, but usually it is done via mass spectroscopy.
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vitamins have no genes, eh?0
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chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »....And I really hope it wasn't a high voltage of electricity...
Did you know that high voltage is less fatal than low voltage? Low voltage shocks are most likely to cause defib of the heart, which is very difficult to correct since your heart is still beating, but not well enough to keep you alive. High volt shocks are more likely to temporarily stop your heart, at which point your heart is more likely to resume natural rhythm on it's own. Learned it in my one electrical engineering class and I was shocked (get it)! Note: I'm not talking lighting strikes here...
Did you know that voltage has nothing to do with electricity's ability to kill you?
You're talking about current. Over 0.1 amps is enough to kill you. Below that, and no matter how much or how little voltage you have, it will not kill you (unless you have an underlying medical condition).
Voltage and current are related though. Given the same resistance, low voltage will have high current. High voltage will have low current. Therefore, high voltage is less likely to kill you, if the resistance is low enough (again, given the same voltage, high resistance will have higher current, lower resistance will have lower current).
I = V*R
I = current
V = Voltage
R = resistance
Trust me, I took grade 9 physics.
I hope the bolded was the punchline, because the rest of your post is completely wrong. Ohm's law: V=IR, not I=VR.
Shhhh.... there may have been a reason I went the civil engineering route instead of electrical... shhhh... wait... did someone just save me there? Maybe! I remember all of one fact and I might not even have it right. *sigh*...
I also am not doing well with coding related to quoting.
Quiet now! It was over 14 years ago!
But I am right. I = V*R
http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/ohm/Q.ohm.intro.html
V = I/R
Ummmm.... Nope. If so, then every other EE ever has been doing it wrong.
Ugh. I'm writing the equation wrong, even after seeing it. This is what happens when you habitually go through MFP Forums when you are actually focusing on work.
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ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »I'm just going to go ahead and post this for the lurkers, about the essential oils thing and doTERRA specifically.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/doterra-multilevel-marketing-of-essential-oils/
A family friend of ours has an infant son who has been having all sorts of allergic reactions and digestive issues. The mom is breastfeeding, and she wound up going on a pretty extreme elimination diet to try and alleviate the symptoms. After literally months of hives, allergy tests, gastric distress, and so on, they figured out it was basically because she was overdosing her son on essential oils (!!!!!). She had been applying them straight to her skin, ingesting them, and applying them to her son. I can't even explain to you the rage I feel about the local mommy cults that exist that promote such irresponsible and dangerous behavior.
Not nearly on the same level, but last summer a "natural" flea and tick spray made from essential oils was going around Facebook. Some of the oils they mentioned were toxic to dogs and/or cats. I usually ignore the derp but couldn't let that one pass without comment because of the risk to pets.
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Wah...how do I get the Youtube window to automatically get embedded in my post?0
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