I have to ask, how do you feel about the Osama news??

Nailrep

Ya know, I haven't felt any joy at all hearing the news. NONE. The only thing I can say is, God loves everyone, even terrorists. To me, he is still a lost soul that God can never save now. And also, I don't think his death will end anything, only give fuel to those who want to avenge his death.

God loves everyone, even terrorists? I'll be sure to tell the moms of the troops that have been killed that somebody should have worked harder to save OBL's soul.

"If you can't stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them."

Nailrep

I hear Osama's body was buried at sea or lost at sea (haven't read all the details) I hate when the US gov't does something but has no proof, not cool.

Either way this will probably help Obama win the next election.

i heard the body at sea thing, and I also heard its BS.

I am also VERY VERY scared this just re-elected the chosen one and his teleprompter. :sick: :frown:

It is NOT BS. My son is aboard the Vinson who took out the trash. God Bless our troops.

Nailrep

I think how you feel about it really depends on how old you were on 9/11, what you remember of your feelings on that day, and how it affected your life. I know that morally I shouldn't be celebrating a death of any human, but I can't help it. I am celebrating. I remember sitting there with my kids who were babies at the time and all I could think about was the tragic loss of life and how scared I was to be raising young children in this changed world. It was terrifying. Yes I'm sure there will be hard times to come and it is still scary, but I slept a little better last night night knowing he was gone.

My son was 12. He serves PROUDLY aboard the USS Carl Vinson - the ship that handled the burial at sea. I slept GREAT last night too!!

Nailrep

"I have never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure" -Mark Twain

IM PROUD to be an AMERICAN. Im a marine wife and a lot of my family and friends are in the military. My brother in law was injured and horribly disfigured by a suicide bomber. this IS justice for all who have lost their lives or been injured in the line of duty starting with 911.

Yes and thank you and your hubby for his service to our country.

Nailrep

My son is serving in Afghanistan at the Pakistan border. It scares me as to what is coming next. I am glad Osama is dead, but I feel like we just stirred a hornet's nest.

Thank you and your son for his service. Prayers and hugs.

Nailrep

I was saying the same thing to my husband this morning about how wrong it is to celebrate the death of a human being. He didn't understand because he is an Army soldier himself. He came in from PT this morning dancing around saying the *kitten* is finally dead! All while doing a victory dance. I looked at him in disgust and pleaded my case and he simply said that my lack of enthusiasm was "un-american"...whatever!

And this is the downfall of our country.
Either you are pro-war and think it's fine to celebrate the death of "terrorists" while overlooking the fact that the Iraq war made us "terrorists" by definition.
Or you're against the war, and you are now un-american.

It's sad that people don't realize that the terrorist think they're doing the right thing. Just like we think our soldiers are doing the right thing.
Not trying to defend them at all, I'm just saying both sides are doing some terrible things, and the blood is on our hands.

We didn't start this war - THEY did. They made the mistake of bringing it to our shores. And ten years later, WE TOOK OUT THE TRASH. I'm not pro war - at all. I have te biggest stake in this that anyone can have. My son is aboard the ship that did the sea burial. I couldn't be more proud of him and all of our troops. WE are not terrorists. We are fighting against a terrorist act on OUR soil. Don't call our troops terrorists. That IS unamerican.

Nailrep

My Brother was in the Army(Infantry). But we lost him to this war September 22, 2004 in Iraq. After 7 years of not having him here, after 7 years knowing he was killed in the line of duty this news is a relief to me. It hurts to have someone taken away from you when they were so close to coming home. He was an awesome person, he was going to go very far in life but it was cut soooo short. My Brother had just turned 21 on September 18, 2004 and was supposed to return home to us the next month but did not make it back alive. Its tragic that he was taken from us. After a year and a half of him being over there we lost him. He was supposed to be married, supposed to have kids, supposed to be alive with us now. But because of 9/11 because of Osama Bin Laden he was taken from us. The pain will always be there and my entire family will never be over him being gone, but the thought of this other man being gone.... is relief to me.

Your brother paid the ultimate price for our freedom. I am honored to say thank you. God bless you and your family.

deeharley

I hear Osama's body was buried at sea or lost at sea (haven't read all the details) I hate when the US gov't does something but has no proof, not cool.

Either way this will probably help Obama win the next election.

i heard the body at sea thing, and I also heard its BS.

I am also VERY VERY scared this just re-elected the chosen one and his teleprompter. :sick: :frown:

It is NOT BS. My son is aboard the Vinson who took out the trash. God Bless our troops.

Thank your son for taking out the trash for us.

Nailrep

What I find sick is the amount of people here worried about what might happen, worried that us taking him out will cause retaliation, all but saying “maybe we should have just left well enough alone”. That is sick and saddening to me.

We have become a country of cowards.

It’s a darn good thing all of your Grand Parents didn’t show the weakness I’m seeing here, else we would all be speaking German, or Japanese.

This POS deserved to die a horrendous, torturous death 3000x over, and they should take his head and put it on a spike at ground zero.

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

1234lbsgone

We could argue all our lives about who started it. I believe thats what we've been doing since the beginning of time anyway. And if we continue this mentality, we will do it untill the end.

Nailrep

I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." ~ Martin Luther King Jr

Im so glad Ive seen that quote everywhere today.


Nailrep - Closure is never going to happen for those people, even if they say that have some. Closure will never happen for the families of the innocent people the US has killed in all of this mess, either.
"thank god he had the nerve to do this"? ....this is why I said what I said when I first saw this thread.

AGAIN, THANK GOD he had the nerve to do this. No one can bring back their family members. But why don't you ask somebody who has lost a family member how they feel today. Don't even TRY to assume you can speak for them.

shipleyd

First off let me say HOOYAH to our Navy Seals!!! They risked (and continue to risk) their lives to protect our country.

Am I glad that OBL is dead? Well I will not lose any sleep. I still cry every time I see footage from 9/11 and HE was to blame.

Should Obama take credit for this and be re-elected for this? heck no! he only said yes to he order that was put in place and planned out by other individuals far more competent than him.

Should we have honored OBL with a ceremonial sea burial? Ummm no! His *kitten* should have been dumped off the side of an old fishing boat. He should never have even made it onto an American vessel.

Should we be partying in the street? I think that is a bit over the top. There is a difference between celebrating death and feeling safer because someone is no longer among us.

Should we fear retaliation? Yes and no. I think our military is on top of things and I have faith in them but there is ALWAYS a chance that retaliation will happen.

Are there more OBLs out there? I am sure of it but lets handle one at a time.

A 24 hour DNA test?? Yeah, that pisses me off... 24 hours to prove that it is actually him because there are so many out there that wantt to start conspiracy theories when it takes 3 months for the state to give process DNA test results for paternity so dead beat dads have to pay their child supports.

All in all, I am happy that the families effected by 9/11 now have some closure. I support out troops 110% and I am proud to say I am an American.

Jovialation

I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." ~ Martin Luther King Jr

Im so glad Ive seen that quote everywhere today.


Nailrep - Closure is never going to happen for those people, even if they say that have some. Closure will never happen for the families of the innocent people the US has killed in all of this mess, either.
"thank god he had the nerve to do this"? ....this is why I said what I said when I first saw this thread.

AGAIN, THANK GOD he had the nerve to do this. No one can bring back their family members. But why don't you ask somebody who has lost a family member how they feel today. Don't even TRY to assume you can speak for them.

and you can? really?

because your son "served" our country? or, why exactly? because your sudden slew of posts sure makes it seem like you think of yourself as some magical authority on this whole thing.





btw, everyone, you do realize Osama died in a mansion with multiple wives and amazing health care? Better health care than the average American will probably ever have.
And why did we kill him? Seems we really should've tried to talk to the guy. You're telling me he was too strong to take into custody alive? I'm not saying torture him for information, but at least get a final statement. Like, one saying just how many underlings he has at the ready.

I'm not afraid of a backlash. I'm not afraid of much of anything....I just dont think Osama being gone is some kind of big deal.

1234lbsgone

I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." ~ Martin Luther King Jr

Im so glad Ive seen that quote everywhere today.


Nailrep - Closure is never going to happen for those people, even if they say that have some. Closure will never happen for the families of the innocent people the US has killed in all of this mess, either.
"thank god he had the nerve to do this"? ....this is why I said what I said when I first saw this thread.

AGAIN, THANK GOD he had the nerve to do this. No one can bring back their family members. But why don't you ask somebody who has lost a family member how they feel today. Don't even TRY to assume you can speak for them.

I lost a best friend who also happened to be a soldier. No I don't feel better. Nothing can ever bring him back and I will never have closure.

Jovialation

I lost a best friend who also happened to be a soldier. No I don't feel better. Nothing can ever bring him back and I will never have closure.

thank you. I dont claim to speak for anyone and I dont doubt some have closure, but if I'd lost someone I'd feel no closure and I'd be hurt at the assumptions that getting rid of Osama magically fixed my loss

Nailrep

Because if you say you are afraid of what might happen you are dishonoring every person who has ever fought for what this country stands for. Stand up and protect your freedom. Do not be a victim.

LET'S ROLL!!!

WELL SAID!

Nailrep

Hi, redditors, indeed.

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Im just glad Obama FINALLY said "we are not at war with Islam" and that they followed the traditional ways of burial with Osama's body. I was extremely concerned that they'd desecrate the body and upset a LOT of people.

Actually there is still controversy about the way in which our government handled the burial!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42859914/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/?GT1=43001

They did a few things correctly and a few things not so much according to the above article.

ah, crud. I really hope that what we did was "good enough" that we dont spark controversy with Muslims or Islamics

Oh, they are never gonna be happy. I personally wish the sailors would have bagged him up and thrown him out with the rest of the trash. Oh well, he's fish chum now anyway.

Nailrep

You're Welcome.


I'm quite American. I overeat, my ego is delicate and my self esteem low, I'm lazy, I think video games are a high form of entertainment, I watch cartoons, I eat hot dogs, I went to public school and learned inaccurate world history, I dont know nearly half as much as most people around the world, I always think I'm right, and I complain about things that some people would kill to have as their biggest problem. So, yea, gotta say I'm pretty American.



What rule did I break exactly? I censored myself and was being totally honest in saying that Obama looked AWESOME walking off after that speech! His posture was PERFECT. I could never look that cool.



Oh and thanks for saying it was out of line to call me un-American, but I've been called worse. Especially on the internet. Really to call me un-American for what I said just seems hilarious to me if anything.

Wow it would appear you have a pretty low opinion of being American by your first paragraph! Perhaps that is what the original reader/responder was picking up on in your attitude when they commented on your citizenship

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attitude is 9/10ths of conviction!

haha no no!!
It was more of a "definition of Americans according to angry arrogant people in other countries" in order to annoy the person trying to call me un-American.
I dont believe thats THE definition of Americans, per se, but I don't think all that many countries have much over us either. I don't think this is the best country in the world, but I'm in no way in a hurry to leave it either...ya know?

Love it or leave it. Travel the world, my friend. You ARE in the best country in the world. Maybe when your freedoms are stripped and you are not allowed to own property or be educated, you would appreciate how our lazy, uneducated troops tried to keep you free.

Jovialation

apparently youre never going to be happy, either. whats done is done and the last thing we needed to do was go against the traditions they follow & anger people that aren't already mad at us. Would you like it if the people over there took our soldiers and bagged them up with the trash? Because they view us the same.

That dancing outside the White House last night? The terrorists were doing that on 9/11.

The people that want all of Al Queda dead? Not ALL that much better than the people who want all of any other group dead.
No one should WANT anyone dead. Its just not nice.

Jovialation

Love it or leave it. Travel the world, my friend. You ARE in the best country in the world. Maybe when your freedoms are stripped and you are not allowed to own property or be educated, you would appreciate how our lazy, uneducated troops tried to keep you free.

ok and thats EVERYWHERE else, right? Yea, totally. All those happy people I know in other countries who think our way of living is far too difficult and that our healthcare is unfair ...and the fact that so many of our jobs are looked down upon while in other countries everyone working is looked at as a help to society...oh yes that is SO much worse than here.

who feeds you this crap, lady?

Nailrep

I lost a best friend who also happened to be a soldier. No I don't feel better. Nothing can ever bring him back and I will never have closure.

thank you. I dont claim to speak for anyone and I dont doubt some have closure, but if I'd lost someone I'd feel no closure and I'd be hurt at the assumptions that getting rid of Osama magically fixed my loss

I never said anything would fix a loss of a loved one. Don't put words in my mouth. I said CLOSURE. And there are alot of Americans that are feeling as though justice has been served over the loss of their loved one. Try and LOVE a terrorist into thinking you are not an infidel. Okay, that should work well.

SHBoss1673

I think maybe some people need to take a deep breath and step back from this topic for a little while. Lets make sure this topic stays in the realm of discussion and stays out of the "argument" zone.

thank you.

nausicaa11

I will not rejoice in the killing of any man. Tonight I pray for World Peace and remember the words of one of our greatest teachers: "Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars... Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." - MLK"

I second that, to me it seems like a killer killed another killer, as someone on DemocracyNow said, its nothing to rejoice over.

FearAnLoathing

I think maybe some people need to take a deep breath and step back from this topic for a little while. Lets make sure this topic stays in the realm of discussion and stays out of the "argument" zone.

thank you.

I agree with this.
The guy is dead (or not depending on who you talk to) why must we continue to argue about?
Why let him spend another minute in our lives and minds by arguing with each other?
This thread stopped being a discussion a long time ago.
To those of you that have lost someone to 9/11 or the following war my thoughts are with you.I hope his death has helped you find some small messure of clouser in your hearts.

Nailrep

I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." ~ Martin Luther King Jr

Im so glad Ive seen that quote everywhere today.


Nailrep - Closure is never going to happen for those people, even if they say that have some. Closure will never happen for the families of the innocent people the US has killed in all of this mess, either.
"thank god he had the nerve to do this"? ....this is why I said what I said when I first saw this thread.

AGAIN, THANK GOD he had the nerve to do this. No one can bring back their family members. But why don't you ask somebody who has lost a family member how they feel today. Don't even TRY to assume you can speak for them.

and you can? really?

because your son "served" our country? or, why exactly? because your sudden slew of posts sure makes it seem like you think of yourself as some magical authority on this whole thing.





btw, everyone, you do realize Osama died in a mansion with multiple wives and amazing health care? Better health care than the average American will probably ever have.
And why did we kill him? Seems we really should've tried to talk to the guy. You're telling me he was too strong to take into custody alive? I'm not saying torture him for information, but at least get a final statement. Like, one saying just how many underlings he has at the ready.

I'm not afraid of a backlash. I'm not afraid of much of anything....I just dont think Osama being gone is some kind of big deal.

My son currently serves in the US Navy. I would say that all of the days of nights of worying during his enlistment makes me somewhat an authority figure. (Again, ask any military mom, dad, wife, sister, borther, etc about this too.) It sure as hell gives me as much if not more of a right to critique what our troops do than someone sitting back and acting like they are better than those of us who are mad as hell over all the lost American lives due to this scumbags actions. I cannot help but feel that there are some Americans that have totally forgotten the pride we should feel to be a citizen of this great country. Those Americans should take a minte to thank God that there are other Americans willing to do the dirty work to keep us all safe. Talk to him? Are you serious? He WANTED to go out in a fire fight. His OWN people say that about him. The Seals ASKED him to surrender. He said no. I'd say that's enough talk.

And YES, I CAN speak for MANY people who have lost loved ones in the war. I am VERY active in supporting our troops by collecting money and sending care packages to troops that are forgotten by lots of Americans who continue to enjoy their lives and freedoms. I AM firends with moms and dad who have lost their kids who were fighting to protect the USA and the people who make ignorant, disrespectful remarks. So, yea, I'm an authority figure.

Stephanieb325

I think maybe some people need to take a deep breath and step back from this topic for a little while. Lets make sure this topic stays in the realm of discussion and stays out of the "argument" zone.

thank you.

Good point! You can't make everyone happy!

Nailrep

I think maybe some people need to take a deep breath and step back from this topic for a little while. Lets make sure this topic stays in the realm of discussion and stays out of the "argument" zone.

thank you.

Good point! You can't make everyone happy!

Sorry to all for my rants. Not usually like me to argue against someone elses opinions. It's been a very emotional day around my house today.

mikeyml

This thread just went off the deep end. I've been following it all day and I was happy that it stayed up. But the discussion has turned personal and petty. So much for rational discussion.

Stephanieb325

My Brother was in the Army(Infantry). But we lost him to this war September 22, 2004 in Iraq. After 7 years of not having him here, after 7 years knowing he was killed in the line of duty this news is a relief to me. It hurts to have someone taken away from you when they were so close to coming home. He was an awesome person, he was going to go very far in life but it was cut soooo short. My Brother had just turned 21 on September 18, 2004 and was supposed to return home to us the next month but did not make it back alive. Its tragic that he was taken from us. After a year and a half of him being over there we lost him. He was supposed to be married, supposed to have kids, supposed to be alive with us now. But because of 9/11 because of Osama Bin Laden he was taken from us. The pain will always be there and my entire family will never be over him being gone, but the thought of this other man being gone.... is relief to me.

Your brother paid the ultimate price for our freedom. I am honored to say thank you. God bless you and your family.

Thank you and thank you to your son as well as your Dad that has served in our Military.

Stephanieb325

I think maybe some people need to take a deep breath and step back from this topic for a little while. Lets make sure this topic stays in the realm of discussion and stays out of the "argument" zone.

thank you.

Good point! You can't make everyone happy!

Sorry to all for my rants. Not usually like me to argue against someone elses opinions. It's been a very emotional day around my house today.

Don't worry about it, its an emotional topic. I can see why you would argue. I mean I would like to argue a bit too but some people just see things differently and thats ok. I have learned to accept that not everyone is going to be on the same page as me at times. its ok mama