October Whole 30 for Paleo/Primal Support Peeps

momof8munchkins

News to report

Paleo/leptin reset victory- today I got down 62 grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking, had no sugar in my coffee so far and mondo levels of fat.. this is good right?

Also my husband found a herd-share opportunity of grass fed, hormone free cows and sheep that we can buy into very cheaply.. meaning we will own part of the animal. I am so excited about this.. that means we can ,legally, in our state have healthy milk, cream and butter from our very own cow. I am hoping that I can tolerate unprocessed cream and butter.. it will be so wonderful to have dairy back in my life again and possbily be able to eat cheese we make ourselves.. I can almost taste alfredo sauce lol drool :flowerforyou: but even if it doesn't work out for me, my family will still reap the benefits.

jmeeej

Mc-doubles- no cheese/( I'm lactose intolerant) and no bun are my go to, cheap food when I am out running errands and need to eat.

By no means am I judging anyone for this......but I'm just saying.....

.....on this style of eating, you shouldn't "NEED" to eat. If i'm busy doing stuff I could go the whole day without eating and not even notice. The only time I even feel hungry is when I'm not really doing much and my brain has time to go "hmmm, I wonder if I'm hungry. Hey Stomach, are we hungry?"

I would rather skip a meal that go to McDonalds

momof8munchkins

Mc-doubles- no cheese/( I'm lactose intolerant) and no bun are my go to, cheap food when I am out running errands and need to eat.

By no means am I judging anyone for this......but I'm just saying.....

.....on this style of eating, you shouldn't "NEED" to eat. If i'm busy doing stuff I could go the whole day without eating and not even notice. The only time I even feel hungry is when I'm not really doing much and my brain has time to go "hmmm, I wonder if I'm hungry. Hey Stomach, are we hungry?"

I would rather skip a meal that go to McDonalds

I am one of those people that can go hours and hours ,sometimes even days without eating anything sustained on coffee and water alone..and often I do if I get super busy or stressed... I really just forget I've done this for too many years..it is one of the many bad habits I am trying to break that has wrecked my health...not a good cycle to get into.. It shuts my metobolism down.. and if I go too long, then I get start getting headaches and feeling light headed and eventually will pass out. not good .. I'm a busy homeschooling mom with 7 kids at home.. on grocery shopping days or Sunday morning church it is easy for me to miss breakfast and lunch all together.. while getting the kids ready , fed and settled then to realize I am going to be out for 4-6 hours before going back home and able to fix a good meal.. and not wanting to spend a fortune eating out.. $2 at Mcdonald's provides enough fat energy to sustain me. It is better for me to eat when I know I need to then to ignor the hunger pains- I am very good at that..then I get myself into a mess.It may not be the perfet choice but it works .

busywaterbending

jmeeej, you must have an amazingly healthy metabolizim. I can only hope that we all can get to the state where we can eat as our ancestors did (and you). That's cool.

I do know that documentation in most of the world from old receipe books and Feast guides talk about meals in different social classes. Medieval and ancient sources show that most peasant communities like in ancient Israel and Europe, as well as tribal nations, would have a small meal in the morning and a large veggie and protein meal at eveningtime. Hmmm. That so goes against everything the SAD diet rules call for! lol.

BTW, I'm pretty sure that McDs now uses only bad-for-you veg. oils - not tallow - in their cooking and receipes now. Watch out for that. Why would anyone want to put undigestable oil in their body? I think they just don't know.... anyway, did you all know that in order to make corn oil and corn syrup distilling and refining are required! The same process of high heat, catalysts and "cracking" we use in making gasoline is used to make vegetable oils!!! Think on that before you reach for a fast food alternative and consider hitting a grocery store for some nuts or the to go cheese and veggie bar instead. Peace.

jmeeej

How long have you been eating paleo?

The longer you've been eating like this, the more you will notice this "necessity to eat" feeling subsides. I still get the "hey, you might want to put something in me" feeling from my stomach........but it is NOWEHERE near the "HEY......I NEED TO EAAAAAAAT!!!!" that I used to get eating a "standard" diet.



If you need a snack.......a little planning will get you away from eating that crap.


Hardboiled eggs, nuts, beef jerky. All great snacks for someone constantly on the go. They are super quick to eat, and very dense in fat/protein (except for the jerky of course).




And just to be clear, I am not being judgmental in the slightest. I am trying to help. Eating this way is a BIG learning experience and it takes a little while for your mind and body to adjust. After all that's why someone started this thread.....to help share our experiences and knowledge.

iluv2travel

Happy Friday everyone! hope all is well... i have a big challenge next week since I will be out of town for a conference and won't be able to cook for myself. I am sure there would be a lot of veggies and protein provided and it's all up to me to make the right choices!

So far after 2 weeks of changing my eating lifestyle to Primal, I can see some positive differences that I am loving:
- I am not bloated anymore (yay!)
- I do not feel lethargic/lazy/tired anymore even with just 5-6 hours of sleep.
No need for coffee to wake me up in the morning!
- I do not fall asleep after eating dinner (LOL)
- No sugary or carb cravings.
I usually have a tsp of almond butter or a square of dark chocolate for dessert after each meal.
- No more hunger monster in my tummy that howls when it wants to get fed.
- I can still enjoy grains once in a while in moderation. I'm not really a fan of legumes so its easy for me to cut those out.

I am still waiting to see if it would decrease the occurrences of my Migraines from 2x a week to hopefully once a month.This was one of the reasons I switched to Primal.

As for hubby, he totally supports my new lifestyle even if he doesn't follow it. He's happy that I make more meat dishes now and did not decide to be a vegetarian instead of Primal :bigsmile: . Our pantry is still stocked with cookies, candies, chips, bread and soda for him but I was never tempted to partake in it because I had no craving or feeling of wanting to eat it!

The longer you've been eating like this, the more you will notice this "necessity to eat" feeling subsides. I still get the "hey, you might want to put something in me" feeling from my stomach........but it is NOWEHERE near the "HEY......I NEED TO EAAAAAAAT!!!!" that I used to get eating a "standard" diet.

jmeej - I notice my tummy will tell me its hungry with a light nudge, but not the crazy, arm gnawing feeling that I used to have before :bigsmile:

jmeeej

Atta Girl!! That's what we like to hear. Glad to hear your first couple weeks went smoothly and you didn't have too much of the low-carb flu.

Keep up the good work!

nmbasilico

Alright, you've convinced me! I'm going to give it a try. I never had any health problems but I would like to lose this extra weight (never lost it all from having my baby) and I'll enjoy having more energy!

busywaterbending

iluv2travel, have you heard about how adding a high dose magnesium supplementation to your diet will eliminate migranes? http://www.angstrom-mineral.com/angstrom-minerals/angstrom-magnesium.html has info on it, as well as tons of info on the benefits of mg for migrane sufferers on other sites. Been there.

jmeeej

I haven't heard of Mg being used for migraines, but I've certainly heard of it's uses in helping with muscle relaxation as well as a sleep aid.......which is why I would recommend taking it before bed time if you choose to give it a try.

Birder150

Man, I love this thread! What a great group of people.

It's great hearing how positively Paleo is affecting peoples' health.

I got off most grains and processed foods earlier this year and then briefly lost my mind and had some binges that included fast food, junk and ryvita crispbreads. (I'm all better now ... lol)

I just received my bloodwork results today for my cholesterol and my HDL is at 1.5 and my trigs are .89 which is astounding to me.
According to the Mayo Clinic website, 1.3 is ideal for trigs so my numbers are incredible.
The HDL/LDL ratio is under 4 which is about right but I'd like it to be less so I'll work on that.
I am going to attribute this to not having eaten much grain, sugars or processed food this year. It sure isn't because I don't eat fat, especially sat fat. I have eaten butter and eggs almost daily, two of the most vilified foods there are according to CW, although I see a trend towards change.

I have just gotten off another diet where I was going to eat 1200 calories per day and had added back some foods I hadn't eaten in quite a while and once again I was bingeing like a mad woman. And gas! Holy Cow! lol
Well here it is only two days on primal/paleo and I have NO cravings and no uncontrollable hunger.

I LOVE THIS WAY of EATING!
I wish more people who suffer from the kind of food binges I do when I eat all the processed foods and grain would try it and see for themselves if it works for them.

My biggest vice right now is Crystal Light. I can't stand my water plain. I did reduce my consumption today from 4 singles to 2 so I guess that's progress. I'm not sure I want to give it up at the moment so I guess that's in my 20%.

Here's dinner tonight ... steak cooked in coconut oil with cauliflower sauteed in coconut oil with coconut milk & curry powder added after. My tummy & brain are very happy.



and my brand new kettlebells I bought because of Resilient Woman's enthusiasm for them. :happy:

busywaterbending

I haven't heard of Mg being used for migraines, but I've certainly heard of it's uses in helping with muscle relaxation as well as a sleep aid.......which is why I would recommend taking it before bed time if you choose to give it a try.

I love you jmeeej and totally respect your wisdom on the paleo diet you are sucessful at; please don't take this the wrong way, but

Mg is for women, lol, it's a woman thing. Potassium is also necessary for the reduction and relief of chronic headaches.

:blushing:

iluv2travel

I haven't heard of Mg being used for migraines, but I've certainly heard of it's uses in helping with muscle relaxation as well as a sleep aid.......which is why I would recommend taking it before bed time if you choose to give it a try.

I love you jmeeej and totally respect your wisdom on the paleo diet you are sucessful at; please don't take this the wrong way, but

Mg is for women, lol, it's a woman thing. Potassium is also necessary for the reduction and relief of chronic headaches.

:blushing:

thanks for the suggestion busywaterbending. I will talk to my doctor and check with her :bigsmile:

ladybugss

I am!

Birder150

Hello Everyone. I have to exclaim ... I love fat! Not on me but in me. Yum!
Happy Saturday!

My lunch today ...
canned salmon with avocado, lemon juice, olives served over romaine & red onion and drizzled with avocado oil, lemon juice & sprinkled with dill.

msbanana

Got something great for y'all...

Next time someone asks...

Paleo in a nutshell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFZoqmKf5M&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGXep32_qiI&feature=player_embedded

nmbasilico

msbanana, I saw those videos while looking around for info on Primal/Paleo eating. They really are great! Not only are they informative but they're entertaining too! Very good resource for those interested in this way of eating.

yummummum

Got something great for y'all...

Next time someone asks...

Paleo in a nutshell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFZoqmKf5M&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGXep32_qiI&feature=player_embedded

the video is so cheesy but I LOVE IT!
I totally feel like a new person eating this way. (Started about a month ago)
Glad I found this group.

jmeeej

On Magnesium:

http://thepaleoexperiment.blogspot.com/2011/01/sleep-aid-that-works-too-well.html

http://www.paleoz.com/nutrition/magnesium-the-greatest-mineral-you-probably-lack/



An Mg deficiency can also be the cause of some other strange side-effects. And when you're first starting on a Paleo diet you do tend to shed a lot of water weight quickly which can also throw off your salt balance. Sodium, Potassium, and Magnesium get a little out of whack. It's easy to get the Sodium back because it's in EVERYTHING but the K and Mg are harder to balance out.

I use Windsor Half Salt which is 50/50 Sodium Chloride/Potassium Chloride.

yummummum

Good luck to everyone trying out a new lifestyle!

I wish you all the best and hope you guys see some pretty dramatic results both physically and physiologically.


........remember.......you get out of it what you put in.

Next time you go for the oreos.....or for the mashed potatoes.....or that bag of fuzzy peaches, just keep that statement in mind. After a few times of turning them down you'll probably find yourself not even missing them or wanting them anymore.

New here to this thread and reading through the posts...
LOVE THIS!!

........remember.......you get out of it what you put in.

SO SO true... AND SO TRUE about NOT missing the cake and oreos! Honestly, all I do at the office when everyone is eating cake is remind myself how good I feel right now. And how poorly I would feel after!! (esp since I self diagnosed myself as gluten intolerant after my scope was negative celiac)

Birder150

My friend pointed out this article to me tonight from Paleo Diet News ...

http://paleodietnews.com/2814/ paleo-diet-carb-lovers-unite/

Also, has anyone seen the documentary "Ingredients"? It's from 2009 and I totally missed it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1352720/

ResilientWoman

News to report

Paleo/leptin reset victory- today I got down 62 grams of protein within 30 minutes of waking, had no sugar in my coffee so far and mondo levels of fat.. this is good right?

Also my husband found a herd-share opportunity of grass fed, hormone free cows and sheep that we can buy into very cheaply.. meaning we will own part of the animal. I am so excited about this.. that means we can ,legally, in our state have healthy milk, cream and butter from our very own cow. I am hoping that I can tolerate unprocessed cream and butter.. it will be so wonderful to have dairy back in my life again and possbily be able to eat cheese we make ourselves.. I can almost taste alfredo sauce lol drool :flowerforyou: but even if it doesn't work out for me, my family will still reap the benefits.

Congrats on leptin reset victory. I have begun to think that if I posted how many days I ate of leptin reset, e.g. x days of 42 on plan or how many days since my last mistake, I might have a better chance of succeeding. LOL

Herdshare? Anecdotal plus personal experience with gluten/dairy intolerance leads me to believe that an entirely pastured/grass fed cow produces milk that I thrive on while a cow fed grain produces milk that I get very ill on. Herdshares fed according to your needs would rock! (Color me green with envy!)

mj_zepeda

hello! I need to talk about this with someone that understands. I have been primal for 3 weeks now.. and I have lost a total of 4 lbs . I tried many ways to lose the last 10 lbs and haven't been successful with counting calories. So I started PRIMAL BLUEPRINT 3 weeks ago and I finally broke the plateau. I have been feeling great about it even though I have cheated....

The thing is... this weekend has been a total disaster. I had LOTS of carbs, and I discovered something.. I don't know if you guys agree with me? But when I have carbs or anything sweet... I CRAVE even MORE CARBS afterwards. So it really sucks. You fall off the wagon completely and then you start carb binging all day long. When I stay "on track" everything goes fine.. but whenever I have a piece of cake.. or some sweet stuff I want more and more. I guess it will take me the whole week to go back to the weight I saw on the scale last friday! 136.5 lbs. My goal weight is so close! I want to get down to 130 lbs... but most of all lose the belly and lose body fat. (currently at 27% body fat and want to get down to 20%). I have noticed huge difference in my body! Cutting out wheat has been a bit hard because I was a muffin, cake, cookie addict. Now I feel so free! It's great when you don't "depend" on those anymore ( that doesn't mean I don't like them anymore though) LOL

I live with my parents... and it is hard for them to understand why I want to cut wheat and grains from my life! Mom just thinks I am getting all paranoid and she looks at me as if I were a complete freak, she says that I have already lost a lot of weight.. and that I should "calm down" with this "diet" she calls it. Today they all wanted to order hamburgers! And I was more like wanting some broiled chicken, or some ribeye steaks..but nobody wanted to! It's hard when you disagree with the rest. Saying NO all the time.. specially when you spend weekends with your family ( weekends are always about eating out, or just hanging around together) so .. this is making a boundary between us and I don't like it . I mean, I don't want to be the family's neurotic girl. And there's no way to convince them to go PRIMAL.... Weekends really make me fall off the wagon.

Then Monday's cruel reality... BLOATED STOMACH... and feeling swollen all around! I don't know if its something more like psychological, or if it's real, but I do feel a big difference. I feel heavier, low energy, and when I look myself at the mirror I can see my thighs bigger, and most of all my stomach looks horribly bloated, my arms seem like they've been blown up. Then I just regret all the food I ate during the weekend! Even if it's been a fun time together with them... It all makes me feel bad, as if I threw out the window all the work done during the week.

HELP!

jmeeej

Welcome to the group! And congrats on the new lifestyle.

Depending on how you went about your transition to primal, you may still be in a transition which is making dealing with carbs difficult. Just think of how many years of eating the "conventional wisdom diet" that you have to undo. So you may need a little more time for the carb cravings to go away if you do end up having some.

Living with the folks can be hard when you're going primal, especially if they don't understand why you have made the decisions you have. Trying to convince them may not be the easiest thing to do. I know my parents don't "get it" but the results that I have demonstrated certainly can't be denied. My mom is much more understanding, accommodating, and supportive than my dad.....but at least my dad doesn't say anything about it anymore. He just knows not to pass me the rolls or the rice when I'm over for sunday dinner. lol

So my suggestion to you with dealing with your family is to try and partake in as much of the meals as you can. If they're having burgers.....have one too. just skip the bun.

If they're having tacos, have one too.......just skip the taco shell or tortilla and use a big leaf off lettuce.

If there is nothing that fits in with your eating plan.....perhaps see it as an opportunity to Intermittent Fast and then start planning your next meal.

jmeeej

One more thing on the parents....


Perhaps getting them to understand may not be easy....or even possible. Maybe just asking them to accept it would be the best solution for now.

ettawelk

Hi Everyone! I am so glad I found this thread!! I have read Primal Blueprint and check out Mark's Daily Apple website often. I know it just makes sense to eat this way! It is just hard finding "support" and "encouragement" when you want to cut out most of your carbs!! I am excited and hopeful of getting that from all of you here!! I am pretty new to MFP and most of my friends don't believe you should cut out or down on carbs much. I have read from Gary Taubes, Dr. Eades, etc. and there is so much science to back up eating paleo/primal. Anyone want to be friends? I will support you 100%.

Birder150

The thing is... this weekend has been a total disaster. I had LOTS of carbs, and I discovered something.. I don't know if you guys agree with me? But when I have carbs or anything sweet... I CRAVE even MORE CARBS afterwards. So it really sucks. You fall off the wagon completely and then you start carb binging all day long. When I stay "on track" everything goes fine.. but whenever I have a piece of cake.. or some sweet stuff I want more and more. I guess it will take me the whole week to go back to the weight I saw on the scale last friday! 136.5 lbs. My goal weight is so close! I want to get down to 130 lbs... but most of all lose the belly and lose body fat. (currently at 27% body fat and want to get down to 20%). I have noticed huge difference in my body! Cutting out wheat has been a bit hard because I was a muffin, cake, cookie addict. Now I feel so free! It's great when you don't "depend" on those anymore ( that doesn't mean I don't like them anymore though) LOL

Oh my goodness can I ever relate to that!
I tried to add "wholesome" ryvita crispbreads back in to my diet and I couldn't stop bingeing. I haven't felt so much stomach trouble in months.
A few months ago during a stressful time concerning my mom & her hubby, I gained 22 lbs! It started off with a meal from McDs and then exploded from there. I was eating entire large size pizzas, bags of cookies, tubs of ice cream and on and on.
This body of mine CANNOT handle grain carbs whatsoever.

If muffins, cakes and cookies were healthy, believe me, I'd be eating them, too! :happy:

hockey7fan

So I decided to try intermittent fasting. I had dinner Friday night. I had my next meal Saturday afternoon around 2:00 p.m. Next time I ate was this afternoon around 2:30 p.m. Now I have a raging case of the runs. What gives?

Both meals I ate this weekend were totally primal -- a BAS with chicken drizzled with walnut oil and the second was eggs scrambled in butter with veggies and bacon. I eat these 2 meals all the time and have never had problems before.

jamk1446

My biggest vice right now is Crystal Light. I can't stand my water plain. I did reduce my consumption today from 4 singles to 2 so I guess that's progress. I'm not sure I want to give it up at the moment so I guess that's in my 20%.

I like to have unsweetened herbal teas when I want something besides plain water. There are so many choices, I prefer fruity flavored teas like peach, cinnamon apple, blueberry. I drink them iced.

jamk1446

So I decided to try intermittent fasting. I had dinner Friday night. I had my next meal Saturday afternoon around 2:00 p.m. Next time I ate was this afternoon around 2:30 p.m. Now I have a raging case of the runs. What gives?

Both meals I ate this weekend were totally primal -- a BAS with chicken drizzled with walnut oil and the second was eggs scrambled in butter with veggies and bacon. I eat these 2 meals all the time and have never had problems before.

I don't have a lot of experience with IF but maybe this wasn't directly related to your food choices? Maybe a very mild bug or something? I would wait to see what happens after you do it a couple of times to determine if you might need different food choices before/after a fasting period.