Teacher Criticisms...(rant)
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To be called entitled is the funniest most ridiculous statement ever! That’s exactly what the problem is with this whole teaching issue.
although, there are some big problems with entitlement. it's a fungus in our culture now - not just in the schools - everywhere.0 -
Private schools have entitled kids????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
hold on.... wait... bwahahahaahahhaah
My parents worked hard to send us to private schools. My dad cleaned crap from public housing complexes as a plumber and my mom worked nights just so I didn’t have to go to a public school which was 2 blocks down. My parents weren’t rich… we were middle class… thank god for it.
I thank my parents everyday. To be called entitled is the funniest most ridiculous statement ever! That’s exactly what the problem is with this whole teaching issue.
this is a silly can of worms we have opened.
just because you weren't entitled doesn't mean that there aren't children who are. just because your parents had to scrounge money to send you there doesn't mean that other parents couldn't just wipe their bum with the tuition bill and let everyone know it.
my experience doens't cancel out yours or vice versa.
sheesh, we'll be at this forever.0 -
To be called entitled is the funniest most ridiculous statement ever! That’s exactly what the problem is with this whole teaching issue.
although, there are some big problems with entitlement. it's a fungus in our culture now - not just in the schools - everywhere.
Agreed. I don't know what people are thinking anymore... where those feelings of entitlement are coming from?0 -
I think the other thing that you need to remember is there are teachers that are best suited for private school (i.e., not me) and teachers that work best in low income public schools and everything in between. Just like every other profession there are people who can do public interest work and people who cannot. My statements are why I cannot work in that environment. Not intended to judge you or your children. Same reason I can't work in corporate law......0
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To all those who say you are a office depot and a nurse and blah blah blah...
good.. good that you see that you have done everything you can to help a child... and you deserve the pay for it.... oppps... nope you dont deserve it... you deserve the same pay as the teacher in room 103 that is doing a crappy job and not giving two craps because they have tenure...
Good teachers deserve it... but unfortunately, bad teachers get the same pay.... see where im going with this?
I understand and have seen your point in action, however.. there are states that are passing laws to take tenure and seniority off the table as a means to keep a teacher. In those states school districts are basing the rehiring decision on student achievement, education, teacher evaluations... etc..0 -
To be called entitled is the funniest most ridiculous statement ever! That’s exactly what the problem is with this whole teaching issue.
although, there are some big problems with entitlement. it's a fungus in our culture now - not just in the schools - everywhere.
Agreed. I don't know what people are thinking anymore... where those feelings of entitlement are coming from?
personally, i fault pocket computers and the magnitude of instant gratification attached to them. this is coming for the chic who doesn't own a cell phone...0 -
To be called entitled is the funniest most ridiculous statement ever! That’s exactly what the problem is with this whole teaching issue.
although, there are some big problems with entitlement. it's a fungus in our culture now - not just in the schools - everywhere.
Agreed. I don't know what people are thinking anymore... where those feelings of entitlement are coming from?
personally, i fault pocket computers and the magnitude of instant gratification attached to them. this is coming for the chic who doesn't own a cell phone...
^yep. I have to be entertained and I should get what I want right now!0 -
yeah but when someone says that, thats a general statement... i lived in jersey city and im sorry there were no mansions there. I had alot of friends that didnt have enough money for stuff. But their parents fought for their kids to go to private school. Again... think about it.. why did my parents not want me to go to a school for FREE which was 2 blocks down but instead 20 blocks away?
listen... not getting off the topic but riddle me this... why is my wife who is an awesome teacher and really takes care of her kids and gives it her all and always gets her kids grades up for every class she gets ...... why does she get paid the same as the teacher in the other room that takes days off, doesnt stay behind to help the kids out and has never had a class that had positive scores?
there is something wrong there.... again... teachers arent the problem... the unions are the issue...0 -
To all those who say you are a office depot and a nurse and blah blah blah...
good.. good that you see that you have done everything you can to help a child... and you deserve the pay for it.... oppps... nope you dont deserve it... you deserve the same pay as the teacher in room 103 that is doing a crappy job and not giving two craps because they have tenure...
Good teachers deserve it... but unfortunately, bad teachers get the same pay.... see where im going with this?
I understand and have seen your point in action, however.. there are states that are passing laws to take tenure and seniority off the table as a means to keep a teacher. In those states school districts are basing the rehiring decision on student achievement, education, teacher evaluations... etc..
that could be good and bad. i see the apathetic teachers getting the boot, which is good.
but i see the teachers put with the absolutely-non-motivated students having an incredible turnover rate. the best of the best teachers can't compete with the homelife of the student, and that is something that will never change.0 -
Wow!0
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To all those who say you are a office depot and a nurse and blah blah blah...
good.. good that you see that you have done everything you can to help a child... and you deserve the pay for it.... oppps... nope you dont deserve it... you deserve the same pay as the teacher in room 103 that is doing a crappy job and not giving two craps because they have tenure...
Good teachers deserve it... but unfortunately, bad teachers get the same pay.... see where im going with this?
I understand and have seen your point in action, however.. there are states that are passing laws to take tenure and seniority off the table as a means to keep a teacher. In those states school districts are basing the rehiring decision on student achievement, education, teacher evaluations... etc..
yep you see my point and good you do... because thats what is needed in the classroom... but other states arent so lucky.. the unions are too strong and the teachers are zombies to them.... they are fed the bullcrap and feel that what the unions are saying is the truth... sorry but it isnt... good teachers deserve it... maybe like yourself... you do what a parent doesnt all the time... and unfortunately you are getting the same pay as crap teachers... there is something wrong there..0 -
yeah but when someone says that, thats a general statement... i lived in jersey city and im sorry there were no mansions there. I had alot of friends that didnt have enough money for stuff. But their parents fought for their kids to go to private school. Again... think about it.. why did my parents not want me to go to a school for FREE which was 2 blocks down but instead 20 blocks away?
listen... not getting off the topic but riddle me this... why is my wife who is an awesome teacher and really takes care of her kids and gives it her all and always gets her kids grades up for every class she gets ...... why does she get paid the same as the teacher in the other room that takes days off, doesnt stay behind to help the kids out and has never had a class that had positive scores?
there is something wrong there.... again... teachers arent the problem... the unions are the issue...
for the same reason the fella' that hustles to make your egg mcmuffin gets paid the same as the chic standing behind the counter texting and rolling her eyes. the hustling probably had your wife for a teacher, and the lazy chic probably had the lazy teacher. maddening, but true.
and we don't have unions, so i can't respond to that.0 -
yeah but when someone says that, thats a general statement... i lived in jersey city and im sorry there were no mansions there. I had alot of friends that didnt have enough money for stuff. But their parents fought for their kids to go to private school. Again... think about it.. why did my parents not want me to go to a school for FREE which was 2 blocks down but instead 20 blocks away?
listen... not getting off the topic but riddle me this... why is my wife who is an awesome teacher and really takes care of her kids and gives it her all and always gets her kids grades up for every class she gets ...... why does she get paid the same as the teacher in the other room that takes days off, doesnt stay behind to help the kids out and has never had a class that had positive scores?
there is something wrong there.... again... teachers arent the problem... the unions are the issue...
We are a non-union state, so I have no comment about that. We get screwed in a lot of cases.....For example, we are expected to attend 16 hours of training after work for no compensation. That sucks. But, I do what I have to do to keep teaching because I like it.0 -
Put yourself in the shoes of those who pay your salary only to have their kids dumbed down and brought into the world of "group-think", then you might understand why people complain.
It's called public SERVICE, if you feel you are entitled to more compensation, then by all means, go out into the real world, market yourself and 'be all you can be'.0 -
To all those who say you are a office depot and a nurse and blah blah blah...
good.. good that you see that you have done everything you can to help a child... and you deserve the pay for it.... oppps... nope you dont deserve it... you deserve the same pay as the teacher in room 103 that is doing a crappy job and not giving two craps because they have tenure...
Good teachers deserve it... but unfortunately, bad teachers get the same pay.... see where im going with this?
I understand and have seen your point in action, however.. there are states that are passing laws to take tenure and seniority off the table as a means to keep a teacher. In those states school districts are basing the rehiring decision on student achievement, education, teacher evaluations... etc..
that could be good and bad. i see the apathetic teachers getting the boot, which is good.
but i see the teachers put with the absolutely-non-motivated students having an incredible turnover rate. the best of the best teachers can't compete with the homelife of the student, and that is something that will never change.
let me set something straight first... m glad you are trying to lose weight and remember this is all discussion on the topic... so good luck with losing weight and friend request because this is good convo..
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Put yourself in the shoes of those who pay your salary only to have their kids dumbed down and brought into the world of "group-think", then you might understand why people complain.
It's called public SERVICE, if you feel you are entitled to more compensation, then by all means, go out into the real world, market yourself and 'be all you can be'.
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wow. you say that as if teachers don't have their own children to worry about or pay taxes themselves. wow.
and, my dear mfpeeps, quit bringing up pay - that's not what this thread is about! sheesh.0 -
i LOVE teachers... i mean really... i can't imagine doing what you do. Kudos to you, hun! You rock!0
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Me too!!!I must have missed the memo about college being paid for because a good portion of my check goes to paying my student loans.0 -
Put yourself in the shoes of those who pay your salary only to have their kids dumbed down and brought into the world of "group-think", then you might understand why people complain.
It's called public SERVICE, if you feel you are entitled to more compensation, then by all means, go out into the real world, market yourself and 'be all you can be'.
:noway:
wow. you say that as if teachers don't have their own children to worry about or pay taxes themselves. wow.
and, my dear mfpeeps, quit bringing up pay - that's not what this thread is about! sheesh.
as much as pay isnt the issue, i think it is an element of the problem.. i have friends that are teachers and thats all they scream. Sometimes they even say "they why would i even try"... boom that is the mentality that most... not all, but most teachers have... if im not getting paid well why should i try.. which then leads to what... bad teaching.... so where is the motivation? some people love their job but that is rare these days...0 -
Put yourself in the shoes of those who pay your salary only to have their kids dumbed down and brought into the world of "group-think", then you might understand why people complain.
It's called public SERVICE, if you feel you are entitled to more compensation, then by all means, go out into the real world, market yourself and 'be all you can be'.
:noway:
wow. you say that as if teachers don't have their own children to worry about or pay taxes themselves. wow.
and, my dear mfpeeps, quit bringing up pay - that's not what this thread is about! sheesh.
as much as pay isnt the issue, i think it is an element of the problem.. i have friends that are teachers and thats all they scream. Sometimes they even say "they why would i even try"... boom that is the mentality that most... not all, but most teachers have... if im not getting paid well why should i try.. which then leads to what... bad teaching.... so where is the motivation? some people love their job but that is rare these days...
Well, I think it's hard right now because a lot of teachers (and other government employees) are the victims of furloughs and paycuts. I don't think anyone here has gotten a raise in 3-4 years. It makes for a lot of jaded and lazy employees. It's human behavior at it's best. Money is an awesome motivator, but it's also evil. I mean one of the largest school systems in GA had a cheating scandal of epic proportions because they tied money to test scores.0 -
Put yourself in the shoes of those who pay your salary only to have their kids dumbed down and brought into the world of "group-think", then you might understand why people complain.
It's called public SERVICE, if you feel you are entitled to more compensation, then by all means, go out into the real world, market yourself and 'be all you can be'.
:noway:
wow. you say that as if teachers don't have their own children to worry about or pay taxes themselves. wow.
and, my dear mfpeeps, quit bringing up pay - that's not what this thread is about! sheesh.
as much as pay isnt the issue, i think it is an element of the problem.. i have friends that are teachers and thats all they scream. Sometimes they even say "they why would i even try"... boom that is the mentality that most... not all, but most teachers have... if im not getting paid well why should i try.. which then leads to what... bad teaching.... so where is the motivation? some people love their job but that is rare these days...
that's sad. i feel that, as far as pay is concerned, we've got it pretty good, and NC is on the low end of the stick. my issue is the flack we get for things that are out of our control - i hate having responsibilities heaped on me that should belong to the parents of the students. don't get me wrong - i don't mind going to extra mile or fifty for my students - if i did, i wouldn't be in the business. but i can't stand it when i get parents who won't give their own children the time of day but expect me to work miracles with them. if there is a disconnect in the homelife, most likely a teacher will not be able to mend it. even though i'll give it my damnedest.0 -
Put yourself in the shoes of those who pay your salary only to have their kids dumbed down and brought into the world of "group-think", then you might understand why people complain.
It's called public SERVICE, if you feel you are entitled to more compensation, then by all means, go out into the real world, market yourself and 'be all you can be'.
:noway:
wow. you say that as if teachers don't have their own children to worry about or pay taxes themselves. wow.
and, my dear mfpeeps, quit bringing up pay - that's not what this thread is about! sheesh.
as much as pay isnt the issue, i think it is an element of the problem.. i have friends that are teachers and thats all they scream. Sometimes they even say "they why would i even try"... boom that is the mentality that most... not all, but most teachers have... if im not getting paid well why should i try.. which then leads to what... bad teaching.... so where is the motivation? some people love their job but that is rare these days...
Well, I think it's hard right now because a lot of teachers (and other government employees) are the victims of furloughs and paycuts. I don't think anyone here has gotten a raise in 3-4 years. It makes for a lot of jaded and lazy employees. It's human behavior at it's best. Money is an awesome motivator, but it's also evil. I mean one of the largest school systems in GA had a cheating scandle of epic proportions because they tied money to test scores.
yes. it's not cool when state employees are expected to make state budget ends meet with pay slashes and freezes and furloughs when private sectors are responsible for nothing. they pulled about 1/3 of our paychecks two months in a row a couple of years ago. that really sucked. of course, none of our state government officials took the pay cut because for *them* it was deemed unconstitutional and could only be done voluntarily. only the governor had her check furloughed - no one else did. state employees shouldn't carry the brunt of this screwed up economy on their own.0 -
just realized that i never gave my spin on what i would do differently if i were in charge. so here goes:
smaller class sizes. fifteen or less, no exceptions. it is impossible to give the degree of individualized attention that students need when you have 30+ children crammed into a room.
hire enough teachers and build enough schools to have those smaller class sizes.
get rid of 80% of testing. sure, we need standards and testing, but we don't need the practice test, and the practice practice test, and quarter test, and the practice quarter test, etc. our county spends millions on printing those tests (not the ones required by federal or state - these are just for our county!) and then spends more number pushing them to make them look good on paper even though they actually suck. which they wouldn't if our classrooms weren't so overcrowded.
put back technical tracks in the curriculum. a lot of these students would excel in a program that would offer job placement or internships in a trade job. then they can go and be a plumber or electrician and make more money than i ever will with their two year degree, which is a *valuable* thing in our society. i'm sick of the powers that be saying that everyone has to be college bound to be of worth. that's a load of crap.
let us actually work on our work days. we would love to spend our work days working, rather than attending a mandatory 7 hour long workshop telling us how and why we should be working.
stop spending so much money on technology. our students can run circles around us in the technology department. they don't need to blog about multipication. they need to be learning their damn tables. the technology route is cutting into way too much of the basic learning foundation. it should be a perk, not the basis of learning.
fail students. if there were a general consensus across the board that if you did not do the work you would not graduate, there would be a black void in the matriculation rate for a couple of years, but then students would rise to the expectation. the powers that be need to let this happen.
stop doing studies with a second grade class of 11 privileged children in yuppyville, usa and then tell us to apply that same technique to a sophomore class of 31 low income students that lives in the projects.
no one should be in the department of education if they have not taught in the last 5 years. 1974 does not count.
so there is my plan. it will never happen. :grumble:0 -
Add working on those useless conferences or make attending those conferences mandatory and you got a deal! 0
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Add working on those useless conferences or make attending those conferences mandatory and you got a deal!
what useless conferences? do you mean parent-teacher conferences? parent-teacher conferences are mandatory and included in the basic teacher package!0 -
just realized that i never gave my spin on what i would do differently if i were in charge. so here goes:
smaller class sizes. fifteen or less, no exceptions. it is impossible to give the degree of individualized attention that students need when you have 30+ children crammed into a room.
hire enough teachers and build enough schools to have those smaller class sizes.
get rid of 80% of testing. sure, we need standards and testing, but we don't need the practice test, and the practice practice test, and quarter test, and the practice quarter test, etc. our county spends millions on printing those tests (not the ones required by federal or state - these are just for our county!) and then spends more number pushing them to make them look good on paper even though they actually suck. which they wouldn't if our classrooms weren't so overcrowded.
put back technical tracks in the curriculum. a lot of these students would excel in a program that would offer job placement or internships in a trade job. then they can go and be a plumber or electrician and make more money than i ever will with their two year degree, which is a *valuable* thing in our society. i'm sick of the powers that be saying that everyone has to be college bound to be of worth. that's a load of crap.
let us actually work on our work days. we would love to spend our work days working, rather than attending a mandatory 7 hour long workshop telling us how and why we should be working.
stop spending so much money on technology. our students can run circles around us in the technology department. they don't need to blog about multipication. they need to be learning their damn tables. the technology route is cutting into way too much of the basic learning foundation. it should be a perk, not the basis of learning.
fail students. if there were a general consensus across the board that if you did not do the work you would not graduate, there would be a black void in the matriculation rate for a couple of years, but then students would rise to the expectation. the powers that be need to let this happen.
stop doing studies with a second grade class of 11 privileged children in yuppyville, usa and then tell us to apply that same technique to a sophomore class of 31 low income students that lives in the projects.
no one should be in the department of education if they have not taught in the last 5 years. 1974 does not count.
so there is my plan. it will never happen. :grumble:0 -
just realized that i never gave my spin on what i would do differently if i were in charge. so here goes:
smaller class sizes. fifteen or less, no exceptions. it is impossible to give the degree of individualized attention that students need when you have 30+ children crammed into a room.
Disagree - class size is irrelevant if you do ability grouping. You cold have 100 in the class and do a better job with ability grouping than having a class of 15 with all mixed ability. By the way, I assume you are talking middle school/high school
hire enough teachers and build enough schools to have those smaller class sizes.
Wrong wrong wrong - It is more efficient to use existing resources including computer technology at home. In my family, as I said we skipped grade school and high school and the lack of seat time and two or three classes a week were just as good as 5 classes a week.
get rid of 80% of testing. sure, we need standards and testing, but we don't need the practice test, and the practice practice test, and quarter test, and the practice quarter test, etc. our county spends millions on printing those tests (not the ones required by federal or state - these are just for our county!) and then spends more number pushing them to make them look good on paper even though they actually suck. which they wouldn't if our classrooms weren't so overcrowded.
Partly agree - testing is overemphasized now, but I would not eliminate it, particularly since tests like the SAT are so important in this culture. I would maybe eliminate 50% of testing and all state and federal standards.
put back technical tracks in the curriculum. a lot of these students would excel in a program that would offer job placement or internships in a trade job. then they can go and be a plumber or electrician and make more money than i ever will with their two year degree, which is a *valuable* thing in our society. i'm sick of the powers that be saying that everyone has to be college bound to be of worth. that's a load of crap.
agreed
let us actually work on our work days. we would love to spend our work days working, rather than attending a mandatory 7 hour long workshop telling us how and why we should be working.
okay, but I also think the summer vacation should be eliminated. That would be time to hold remedial or advanced classes.
stop spending so much money on technology. our students can run circles around us in the technology department. they don't need to blog about multipication. they need to be learning their damn tables. the technology route is cutting into way too much of the basic learning foundation. it should be a perk, not the basis of learning.
Agree.
fail students. if there were a general consensus across the board that if you did not do the work you would not graduate, there would be a black void in the matriculation rate for a couple of years, but then students would rise to the expectation. the powers that be need to let this happen.
Agree
stop doing studies with a second grade class of 11 privileged children in yuppyville, usa and then tell us to apply that same technique to a sophomore class of 31 low income students that lives in the projects.
Agree
no one should be in the department of education if they have not taught in the last 5 years. 1974 does not count.
The Federal DOE should be eliminated, and the state DOE severly curtailed. Education should be local at most and family at best.
so there is my plan. it will never happen. :grumble:
Something is going to happen. I have been hearing since the 70's and even before how bad our school system is. When I went it was GREAT. We really need to go back to those days.0 -
Add working on those useless conferences or make attending those conferences mandatory and you got a deal!
what useless conferences? do you mean parent-teacher conferences? parent-teacher conferences are mandatory and included in the basic teacher package!
no no... the conferences that are done at some place for teachers.. in NJ, they have a conference in Atlantic City but it isnt mandatory for teachers to attend so essentially its just 2 days off. ITS USELESS0 -
I wasn't going to comment on this topic because I'm pretty strongly opinionated. Unions were created in the 1890's to protect uneducated workers from being taken advantage of by company higher-ups. Now that we've come 120+ years into the future and America has moved away from being an industrial and manufacturing country there is absolutely zero need for unions any longer. If I went on strike I would be fired from my job. Easy as that. Once a teacher is tenured they have to do something completely stupid in order to get fired. From there teachers become apathetic to the needs of their students and no longer care about making sure the child is receiving a fair and justifiable education. You could apply the "you can lead a student to a classroom but you can't make them learn" argument but as a teacher your job is 50% educator and 50% motivator. If you didn't realize that before you got into teaching then that sucks. Hiding behind a union for protection is absolutely ridiculous considering 99% of teachers in America are college graduates who should be able to think on their own without being taken advantage of by a district. Besides, what was the last valuable thing a union did for you? Be honest. Do I think teachers are paid correctly? Absolutely. If I had 3.5 months off a year, incredible benefits, guaranteed pay raises and the ability to almost never get fired I'd be ecstatic.
With all due respect, then become a teacher.
I don't hide behind my Union. The last vaulable thing my Union did for me was give me the gift of time. Because of my Union and its continued efforts over the years, I got to spend time with my father as he was dying. My union has worked for years to help teachers secure benefits such as that one.
Good God, life is not a remote .... get up and change it yourself.
You, too, can be ecstatic. Why on Earth would you not be in a field of work in which you're not ecstatic?
Please clarify.0 -
I wasn't going to comment on this topic because I'm pretty strongly opinionated. Unions were created in the 1890's to protect uneducated workers from being taken advantage of by company higher-ups. Now that we've come 120+ years into the future and America has moved away from being an industrial and manufacturing country there is absolutely zero need for unions any longer. If I went on strike I would be fired from my job. Easy as that. Once a teacher is tenured they have to do something completely stupid in order to get fired. From there teachers become apathetic to the needs of their students and no longer care about making sure the child is receiving a fair and justifiable education. You could apply the "you can lead a student to a classroom but you can't make them learn" argument but as a teacher your job is 50% educator and 50% motivator. If you didn't realize that before you got into teaching then that sucks. Hiding behind a union for protection is absolutely ridiculous considering 99% of teachers in America are college graduates who should be able to think on their own without being taken advantage of by a district. Besides, what was the last valuable thing a union did for you? Be honest. Do I think teachers are paid correctly? Absolutely. If I had 3.5 months off a year, incredible benefits, guaranteed pay raises and the ability to almost never get fired I'd be ecstatic.
With all due respect, then become a teacher.
I don't hide behind my Union. The last vaulable thing my Union did for me was give me the gift of time. Because of my Union and its continued efforts over the years, I got to spend time with my father as he was dying. My union has worked for years to help teachers secure benefits such as that one.
Good God, life is not a remote .... get up and change it yourself.
You, too, can be ecstatic. Why on Earth would you not be in a field of work in which you're not ecstatic?
Please clarify.
Great... and as they should but they are the problem. They dont care for you or for the student. They care for themselves and no one else. Even some people close to the union have even said, its main purpose now is to protect the bad teachers.
There are no need for unions anymore.0
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