Meat and early mortality

lukeout007

i wouldn't eat my cat or my boyfriend's dogs, so why would i eat a cow or a pig or a fish?

I'd eat your cat and your boyfriend's dogs.




Just sayin'.

lukeout007

We need meat. We DONT NEED grains!

Anyway, veg-fed healthy lean meat is good for you. NOT the **** 'meat' USDA gives us. Do the research.... It's obvious the gov is killing us. The reason all this 'meat' is bad for us is because of all the **** they put in it to keep it longer.
We NEED natural, healthy, veg-fed lean meat!

Eat the GOOD meat and ditch the BAD 'meat' and you will be fine :-)

While I don't necessarily agree with the "government wants to kill us all" scenario I do agree that its most likely not the meat itself but the chemicals that are pumped into it.

jaymek92

i wouldn't eat my cat or my boyfriend's dogs, so why would i eat a cow or a pig or a fish?

I'd eat your cat and your boyfriend's dogs.




Just sayin'.

one of my neighbors chopped up his grandmother's dog with a hatchet. come near our animals and you're going to jail.




just sayin'.

maf66

Didn't we just do this yesterday? :huh:

athensguy

My Facebook friends have been going at each other over the report of this study in the L A Times.The study looked at red meat, not all meat. As others have said here, the statistical research model behind this study was flawed, despite the prestigious Harvard School of Public Health connection. At best it shows a correlations between eating red meat and earlier death, but correlation does not imply causality, and also there were issues around a failure to keep other diet and lifestyle factors equal between the two groups. I have enough other reasons to avoid red meat without needing to reply on this study.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-red-meat-20120313,0,565423.story

Maybe if it's so flawed you should call up some of the reviewers.

Correlation does imply causality. Correlation does not prove causality.

Squidgeypaws007

Since vegetarians are more likely to be "health conscious" than the average person, I would be interested to see studies comparing vegetarian diets to "health conscious" meat eaters.

Are they?

lukeout007

i wouldn't eat my cat or my boyfriend's dogs, so why would i eat a cow or a pig or a fish?

I'd eat your cat and your boyfriend's dogs.




Just sayin'.

one of my neighbors chopped up his grandmother's dog with a hatchet. come near our animals and you're going to jail.




just sayin'.

Lmao...I love that someone took that seriously.

lambeas

RELAX... this is simply sharing of ideas and what works for the OP. The OP did not say " YOU SHOULD NOT EAT MEAT", rather this is what works for her and is passing it along for some foof for thought.

Read the article and appreciate the point of view... you do not have to agree or disagree Just OPEN YOUR MINDS to a different point of view that is backed by a little research!

lukeout007

Didn't we just do this yesterday? :huh:

Yes but the vegetarians couldn't remember...

HollywoodDJ

wow.... I love propaganda. I took a stroll around the whole site, it seems just a tiny bit biased. do you have a link to the whole study in print, not just a video taking the parts that further a certain agenda.

I completely agree! This story definitely has an agenda and people really need to be careful! If you are a vegetarian or vegan then that's great but I definitely need my red meats, certainly not ALL the time but once in a while! It helps me with my Meniere's Disease and vertigo. Eating red meats helps me to feel mentally, physically, spiritually & emotionally stronger too! I know my body and I know what it needs.


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lukeout007

My honest opinion on this subject (thank you lambeas for getting us back on topic) is that for every study saying X there is another saying Y. All backed by research. Take everything with a grain of steak...I mean salt.

SoDamnHungry

I'll die early anyway from cows' families seeking revenge.

JoolieW68

...and I could be hit by a bus tomorrow.

Today red meat is bad, tomorrow it will be coffee (no, wait, that's ok now) or chocolate (no, wait, dark chocolate is ok).

Everything in moderation. 16oz of red meat in one sitting? Yeah, not good, but we don't need a study to tell us that.

tsh0ck

if meat didn't taste good, I wouldn't eat it. bummer for the cows.

maf66

Didn't we just do this yesterday? :huh:

Yes but the vegetarians couldn't remember...

:laugh:

jonski1968

You can read the full article here..And make your own mind up..

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/03/red-meat-mortality-the-usual-bad-science/

_VoV

Didn't we just do this yesterday? :huh:

I purposely stayed out of that discussion because I wanted more time to actually read about this study before discussing it. It seemed to me, that the majority of people on yesterday's discussion had already made up their minds without anything more than reading the headlines.

Feel free to ignore this thread if it upsets you.

DrG3n3

i wouldn't eat my cat or my boyfriend's dogs, so why would i eat a cow or a pig or a fish?

I'd eat your cat and your boyfriend's dogs.




Just sayin'.

Lol. I was thinking the same thing. Now, why do we see this type of topic daily? -.-

DrG3n3

My honest opinion on this subject (thank you lambeas for getting us back on topic) is that for every study saying X there is another saying Y. All backed by research. Take everything with a grain of steak...I mean salt.

Yes, but isn't salt bad too

shanahan_09

I say to each their own. I have no qualms about people not wanting to eat meat. Personally, I'll never stop. I like a good steak especially wild game--elk is delicious, and very lean.
Know what will cause ones' early mortality...STRESS. So stop stressing about trying to make people see the 'light' about not eating meat. Enjoy your veggies or enjoy your steak. Just enjoy life, period!

dcgonz

Yes, Red Meat can kill. And a few years ago, peanut butter could give you cancer, as can plastic and microwaves. I do wish the vegetarian would come down off it's high horse, slaughter it, cook it and see that life isn't so bad as an omnivore. You never see that being pushed on anyone, and the OMG DONT EAT MEAT scares are a little rediculous.

really? nobody pushes eating meat? because my grandmother pushes meat on me all the time, despite the fact that i haven't eaten meat in four years. everybody i meet tries to push fish or seafood on me because they insist it's not meat (it was once alive, now it is dead- i'm not eating it). it seems like you're pushing meat on vegetarians and your horse is just as high as "the vegetarian"'s.

A plant was once alive...just sayin'

you're right. it was was alive. but plants don't feel pain. they don't have nerves. they don't have feelings.
i wouldn't eat my cat or my boyfriend's dogs, so why would i eat a cow or a pig or a fish?
if you want to, that's fine. but it's my personal choice to not eat meat, and people constantly try to tell me i shouldn't. i've never told anybody they need to stop eating meat because it's unhealthy for them, but people always tell me i need to eat meat because it's unhealthy not to.

I was just making a statement. I think you need to lighten up is all.
I too once went for a period of time without eating meat and yes people made comments. SO WHAT! It's not their business and you just need to let it roll off your back.
There are so many other things in this world to worry about other than what people have to say about your diet.

maf66

Didn't we just do this yesterday? :huh:

I purposely stayed out of that discussion yesterday because it looked like 'meat-eaters whistling in the dark.' I personally dislike witnessing group denial--such a child-like defense mechanism. Besides, I wanted more time to actually read about this study before discussing it.

Feel free to ignore this thread if it upsets you.

I'm not upset. Quite the contrary, I'm very highly amused! :laugh:

tsh0ck

I say to each their own. I have no qualms about people not wanting to eat meat. Personally, I'll never stop. I like a good steak especially wild game--elk is delicious, and very lean.
...

yup. if not for hunters like myself, wild game would die of starvation, disease, etc., and would also wind up killing and injuring many more people on the roadways.

in fact, I think I'll have some venison fajitas this weekend.

jaymek92

I was just making a statement. I think you need to lighten up is all.
I too once went for a period of time without eating meat and yes people made comments. SO WHAT! It's not their business and you just need to let it roll off your back.
There are so many other things in this world to worry about other than what people have to say about your diet.

if i were to go around telling people to stop eating meat, people would be upset and say i'm pushing vegetarianism on them. if people go around telling me to eat meat, that's okay. perfectly normal. what is wrong with me for making the decision to not eat meat, anyway?!?!
there is a double standard that exists, and i don't think it should.
if i've only had people tell me once or twice, fine. but people literally tell me multiple times a week that i need to eat meat. i went out for dinner a couple weeks ago and ordered spaghetti in marinara instead of meat sauce. the waitress looked at me like i was crazy and said "are you allergic to meat?" every time i eat with my grandmother, she tells me i need to eat meat. at holidays, she will literally put ham or turkey on my plate, right on top of the veggies and things i do eat, and then she yells at me for wasting food because i won't eat any of it. i don't worry about what people say about my diet because i know i eat healthy and what i do works for me. i just don't think it's right that somebody posts a study that suggests that eating red meat may shorten your lifespan and people jump all over it but i can be criticized every single day for making a decision that literally affects nobody but myself.

_VoV

I was just making a statement. I think you need to lighten up is all.
I too once went for a period of time without eating meat and yes people made comments. SO WHAT! It's not their business and you just need to let it roll off your back.
There are so many other things in this world to worry about other than what people have to say about your diet.

if i were to go around telling people to stop eating meat, people would be upset and say i'm pushing vegetarianism on them. if people go around telling me to eat meat, that's okay. perfectly normal. what is wrong with me for making the decision to not eat meat, anyway?!?!
there is a double standard that exists, and i don't think it should.
if i've only had people tell me once or twice, fine. but people literally tell me multiple times a week that i need to eat meat. i went out for dinner a couple weeks ago and ordered spaghetti in marinara instead of meat sauce. the waitress looked at me like i was crazy and said "are you allergic to meat?" every time i eat with my grandmother, she tells me i need to eat meat. at holidays, she will literally put ham or turkey on my plate, right on top of the veggies and things i do eat, and then she yells at me for wasting food because i won't eat any of it. i don't worry about what people say about my diet because i know i eat healthy and what i do works for me. i just don't think it's right that somebody posts a study that suggests that eating red meat may shorten your lifespan and people jump all over it but i can be criticized every single day for making a decision that literally effects nobody but myself.

I recall the same treatment when I was newly vegetarian in my late teens. No one has challenged me in years, so I wonder if it's something people only dare to say to younger vegetarians. I hate age discrimination.

dcgonz

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there is a double standard that exists, and i don't think it should.
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Welcome to how the world works!

athensguy

Humans have been living long, healthy lives eating meat for thousands (and maybe even millions) of years.

This study is biased and makes my head spin like the exorcist.

This study was talking about red meat in particular. Humans probably didn't have access to much red meat prior to domestication of livestock.

QuakerMom

Don't get me wrong...I am all for other people being vegan. Leaves more delicious meat for me.

:happy:

cabaray

The topic of the thread is "Meat and early mortality", yet it appears that the study is speaking of red meat (unless I missed something). Kind of misleading...

ironanimal

if i were to go around telling people to stop eating meat, people would be upset and say i'm pushing vegetarianism on them. if people go around telling me to eat meat, that's okay. perfectly normal. what is wrong with me for making the decision to not eat meat, anyway?!?!
there is a double standard that exists, and i don't think it should.<snip>

That's because Vegetarianism is a very new concept in the history of man. At your age, it's often seen as a misguided attempt to be healthier, when other people who don't share your view want to 'help' you. People don't trust it. Eating meat is normal, abstaining is strange. I'm personally of the belief that vegetarianism is ridiculous (as I could never manage to get the iron, protein, BCAAs etc I need from plant matter), but I keep my view on the topic restricted to discussions such as these. Some people don't.