Meat and early mortality
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Millions of years? ...unless you're of the opinion that humans originally lived in an amazing garden and ate lots of wonderful plant foods.
To be fair though, only nutcases believe that.
Well, that certainly is an opinion. Just to be clear: this is a discussion about meat and mortality, not religion.0 -
We would have died out long ago if there were any grain of truth to that.
Meat is an excellent source of protein and is delicious.0 -
Cipher didn't want to be inserted back into the Matrix so he could friggen' eat a carrot
Also how come the Japanese (that eat raw meat/fish) are healthier?0 -
Also how come the Japanese (that eat raw meat/fish) are healthier?
Indeed. I believe I remember reading/hearing statistics that the rate of cancer/heart disease/etc. is much lower in Japan and China despite the fact that they eat meat as well. Japan is mainly fish but Chinese food includes pork, beef, chicken, etc.0 -
Everyone is going to die of something. No offense to vegetarians, if that's what you want to do, go for it.
Steve Jobs was a vegetarian. He died due to cancer... just saying.
Yeah, but in fairness, if you look at what we've learned about Steve since he died, his diet was far from healthy. Steve wasn't a "vegetarian" so much as a "fruitarian." For a several year period, it was even more limited than that, and he ate nothing but apples... While I agree it's possible to be healthy eating nothing animal-derived, it's just as possible to be wildly unhealthy on a vegetarian or vegan diet. Just as it's possible to be very healthy on an omnivorous diet.
Steve Jobs was a 'sample size' of one. I heard that when he was working in his garage, developing the first Apple computer, that he worked unprotected with heavy metals which are widely known to cause cancer. Some say his cancer started when he was in his early 20's, and was slow growing, perhaps due to his vegetarian diet.
Of course, in the case of Steve Jobs, looking retrospectively at his life is never going to give us the answer to why he developed cancer.0 -
Multivariate - definition: "relating to or used to describe a statistical distribution that involves a number of random but often related variables"
Looks like they got it right...0 -
I guess I'll just die young and happy with a nice big steak in front of me then...
I hope you never get to the point where it needs to be cut up for you in a nursing home. THAT is my big fear. The end-stage of cancer, heart disease, and strokes isn't pretty.
easy, crazy! what do you care if he gets his steak in the nursing home?0 -
Cipher didn't want to be inserted back into the Matrix so he could friggen' eat a carrot
Also how come the Japanese (that eat raw meat/fish) are healthier?
Grammar 101: "Some adjectives end in -er and -est. These adjectives compare nouns."
So, 'healthier' than whom?0 -
Cipher didn't want to be inserted back into the Matrix so he could friggen' eat a carrot
Also how come the Japanese (that eat raw meat/fish) are healthier?
Grammar 101: "Some adjectives end in -er and -est. These adjectives compare nouns."
So, 'healthier' than who?
you. seriously grammar? you need a steak0 -
Cipher didn't want to be inserted back into the Matrix so he could friggen' eat a carrot
Also how come the Japanese (that eat raw meat/fish) are healthier?
Grammar 101: "Some adjectives end in -er and -est. These adjectives compare nouns."
So, 'healthier' than who?
Really? We're going to get into grammar now?0 -
you're right. it was was alive. but plants don't feel pain. they don't have nerves. they don't have feelings.
really? nobody pushes eating meat? because my grandmother pushes meat on me all the time, despite the fact that i haven't eaten meat in four years. everybody i meet tries to push fish or seafood on me because they insist it's not meat (it was once alive, now it is dead- i'm not eating it). it seems like you're pushing meat on vegetarians and your horse is just as high as "the vegetarian"'s.Yes, Red Meat can kill. And a few years ago, peanut butter could give you cancer, as can plastic and microwaves. I do wish the vegetarian would come down off it's high horse, slaughter it, cook it and see that life isn't so bad as an omnivore. You never see that being pushed on anyone, and the OMG DONT EAT MEAT scares are a little rediculous.
A plant was once alive...just sayin'
i wouldn't eat my cat or my boyfriend's dogs, so why would i eat a cow or a pig or a fish?
if you want to, that's fine. but it's my personal choice to not eat meat, and people constantly try to tell me i shouldn't. i've never told anybody they need to stop eating meat because it's unhealthy for them, but people always tell me i need to eat meat because it's unhealthy not to.
Do we know this for sure? I once read a study that claimed grass screams when it's cut.....
http://io9.com/5623112/the-smell-of-freshly+cut-grass-is-actually-a-plant-distress-call0 -
From what I understand of the study, the reserachers recommend less than 1 pound of red meat per person, per week.
If someone told you (general you, not anyone specific) that it was recommended to eat less than 1 pound of *cake* per person, per week. Everyone would say, "Well of course! Cake is bad for you. Eat in moderation. A little goes a long way!"
But as soon as someone says you should limit your meat intake, people get super defensive about it. "You can take my meat over my cold dead body!"
I wonder why that is... possibly because people understand that red meat isn't *really* good for you in the long run?
No I think it's cause we LIKE red meat.0 -
Regarding the original post... The study casts red meat into question... not all meat.0
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Cipher didn't want to be inserted back into the Matrix so he could friggen' eat a carrot
Also how come the Japanese (that eat raw meat/fish) are healthier?
Grammar 101: "Some adjectives end in -er and -est. These adjectives compare nouns."
So, 'healthier' than who?
Really? We're going to get into grammar now?
Just bumping the Cipher pic. It's classic0 -
There is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Red meat has a lot of nutrients so I find it hard to believe that a steak is bad for anyone, especially if it comes from grass fed cows.
I will fully agree with you that there can be some nutritional value from meat.
However? Who is eating grass fed cows?
Not the people who buy their meat at Walmart. Not the people who stop at the McDonald's drive thru. Maybe not even the people who *think* they are eating grass fed beef.
Unfortunately, I'd say that the majority of people are eating sub-par meat and that is a big part how it affects your health and wellness.
We only eat grass fed beef, free range chickens , free range eggs and un crated pork. Very tasty and healthy.0 -
My grandpa ate meat daily and had a juicy steak at least once a week, and lived to be 92. My great grandma grew up on a farm and ate the cows and pigs they raised and she lived to be 106. I'm not too worried about it.
Now I want a steak...
Btw, if you don't want to eat meat, I'm totally cool with that. I don't really care what other people want to eat, you know, unless it's something like babies. I'm just saying, these studies don't scare me into being a vegetarian.0 -
Wow. I can't believe the immaturity on this thread. If you don't trust the article or don't believe it, just let it go. This isn't a scare tactic, it isn't propaganda...it's a research finding. Take it with a grain of salt if you don't believe it.
As a vegetarian, I'm very offended by some of the insensitive comments on here. The OP wasn't trying to push anything. If anything, she was just trying to share her opinion about the article. Notice how she only said 'ME' or 'MY'. She didn't tell anybody they should switch to any kind of diet.
You know, since becoming a vegetarian, I've found omnivores to be more pushy/judgmental than any vegetarian or vegan I've ever met...and I've met some strange ones out there.
Grow up, people.0 -
Hey now...don't go throwing facts around this topic...Also how come the Japanese (that eat raw meat/fish) are healthier?
Indeed. I believe I remember reading/hearing statistics that the rate of cancer/heart disease/etc. is much lower in Japan and China despite the fact that they eat meat as well. Japan is mainly fish but Chinese food includes pork, beef, chicken, etc.0 -
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I am sort of skeptical. I think meat quality is probably more important. I have quite a few relatives who lived to be upper 90s and even in the 100s. They definitely ate meat. But it generally came from a neighbor or one they raised themselves for their formative years.
So I am going to stick with eating meat that is hormone free/grass fed/whatever.0 -
There was also a recent study that found that plants measured for electrical impulses showed far more activity when person A walked into a room and went near than when person B did. Person B having been someone who watered the plants, and person A being the person who was told to walk into the room once a day for a number of days and pull leaves from them.
Do we know this for sure? I once read a study that claimed grass screams when it's cut.....
http://io9.com/5623112/the-smell-of-freshly+cut-grass-is-actually-a-plant-distress-call0 -
Wow. I can't believe the immaturity on this thread. If you don't trust the article or don't believe it, just let it go. This isn't a scare tactic, it isn't propaganda...it's a research finding. Take it with a grain of salt if you don't believe it.
As a vegetarian, I'm very offended by some of the insensitive comments on here. The OP wasn't trying to push anything. If anything, she was just trying to share her opinion about the article. Notice how she only said 'ME' or 'MY'. She didn't tell anybody they should switch to any kind of diet.
You know, since becoming a vegetarian, I've found omnivores to be more pushy/judgmental than any vegetarian or vegan I've ever met...and I've met some strange ones out there.
Grow up, people.
this was the OP's statement.
This short video explains the results of the meat and early mortality
It's pretty clear on what she's trying to imply here.0 -
Actually it's because vegetarians try to say "look... see that! You shouldn't eat any meat at all!" Which is rediculous. Why don't vegetarians say, "Eat meat in moderation. A little goes a long way!"?From what I understand of the study, the reserachers recommend less than 1 pound of red meat per person, per week.
If someone told you (general you, not anyone specific) that it was recommended to eat less than 1 pound of *cake* per person, per week. Everyone would say, "Well of course! Cake is bad for you. Eat in moderation. A little goes a long way!"
But as soon as someone says you should limit your meat intake, people get super defensive about it. "You can take my meat over my cold dead body!"
I wonder why that is... possibly because people understand that red meat isn't *really* good for you in the long run?
No I think it's cause we LIKE red meat.0 -
Yes, Red Meat can kill. And a few years ago, peanut butter could give you cancer, as can plastic and microwaves. I do wish the vegetarian would come down off it's high horse, slaughter it, cook it and see that life isn't so bad as an omnivore. You never see that being pushed on anyone, and the OMG DONT EAT MEAT scares are a little rediculous.
Actually, I am a vegetarian and have people trying to ridicule me and arguing that I should eat meat all the time. If someone wants to debate with me, I give them my reasons and will get into a 'healthy' arguement if necessary - but I never try to push my vegetarian ideals on meat eaters - I just wish they would offer me the same courtesy.
Love the pic by the way!!0 -
Humans have been living long, healthy lives eating meat for thousands (and maybe even millions) of years.
This study is biased and makes my head spin like the exorcist.
What makes the study biased? I'm not talking about the video (haven't seen it because it's blocked at work) but the actual study. This is not the first study to show these or similar results.
How much relation does what humans have been doing for millions of years really have to our lives today? We do different things, eat different things, drink different things and breathe different things. We and just about everything in our world is different than it was millions, or even thousands, of years ago.
The human body may not evolve quickly, but the world it lives in certainly does.0 -
Wow. I can't believe the immaturity on this thread. If you don't trust the article or don't believe it, just let it go. This isn't a scare tactic, it isn't propaganda...it's a research finding. Take it with a grain of salt if you don't believe it.
As a vegetarian, I'm very offended by some of the insensitive comments on here. The OP wasn't trying to push anything. If anything, she was just trying to share her opinion about the article. Notice how she only said 'ME' or 'MY'. She didn't tell anybody they should switch to any kind of diet.
You know, since becoming a vegetarian, I've found omnivores to be more pushy/judgmental than any vegetarian or vegan I've ever met...and I've met some strange ones out there.
Grow up, people.
this was the OP's statement.
This short video explains the results of the meat and early mortality
It's pretty clear on what she's trying to imply here.
What is so clear from that statement? It's the results of the meat study. Does it say 'This short video proves that meat is bad and you should stop eating it'? No. It doesn't.0 -
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Wow. I can't believe the immaturity on this thread. If you don't trust the article or don't believe it, just let it go. This isn't a scare tactic, it isn't propaganda...it's a research finding. Take it with a grain of salt if you don't believe it.
As a vegetarian, I'm very offended by some of the insensitive comments on here. The OP wasn't trying to push anything. If anything, she was just trying to share her opinion about the article. Notice how she only said 'ME' or 'MY'. She didn't tell anybody they should switch to any kind of diet.
You know, since becoming a vegetarian, I've found omnivores to be more pushy/judgmental than any vegetarian or vegan I've ever met...and I've met some strange ones out there.
Grow up, people.
this was the OP's statement.
This short video explains the results of the meat and early mortality
It's pretty clear on what she's trying to imply here.
What is so clear from that statement? It's the results of the meat study. Does it say 'This short video proves that meat is bad and you should stop eating it'? No. It doesn't.
If meat isn't bad and if she isn't pushing not eating meat (as a rabid veggie), then what IS the point of the article?0 -
That was uncalled for and adds nothing of substance to the conversation.0 -
Hey now...don't go throwing facts around this topic...Also how come the Japanese (that eat raw meat/fish) are healthier?
Indeed. I believe I remember reading/hearing statistics that the rate of cancer/heart disease/etc. is much lower in Japan and China despite the fact that they eat meat as well. Japan is mainly fish but Chinese food includes pork, beef, chicken, etc.
Oh yeah sorry I forgot where I was
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