Views on America

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  • blink1021
    blink1021 Posts: 1,115 Member
    I love the USA... I visit my sister in South Carolina from time to time and i drive down. Hate going through the border but after that it's all aces! Oh those "Waffle Houses" LoL I swear there's one every mile when i hot the golden triangle! :) One thing a applaud the USA for is your right to bear arms, and how you so fight to keep that important liberty. We in CAnada have become a wishy washy Europenaized state where the police and politicans are slowly trying to get every firearm out of our hands and have only the police and government having access to them. There, that's my rant LoL....

    There's not much difference between the USA and Canada for the most part though... but i love how it gets warmer the further south i drive in the great ole USA! :) Big shout out to all you Yanks from a friendly Canuck! :drinker:

    If you love Waffle House you should try the Huddle House they are down there too and just as common. :happy:
  • jpuderbaugh
    jpuderbaugh Posts: 318 Member
    I Love America ... but then I'm American ... and its HUMP DAY so who cares we all live and share this lovely planet so no matter your views there's one thing we can all agree on....

    GAS PRICES ARE WAY TO HIGH !!!!!! :grumble: :grumble: :grumble: :grumble:

    I might be the only American that thinks they're too low. We paid close to $8 a gallon for four years when we lived overseas. You know what we did. Biked, walked and didn't drive much.

    America is the only country with a way off balance of carbon emissions compared to our population. I would love to see gas prices triple. I think we could finally more towards more public transportation, which would help the poor out as well as the planet.

    I think you might be the first American I have ever heard to say it's too low. I have seen many posts mainly on facebook complaining but the U.S. has really cheap gas for such a high demand product, if it was to come in line with other countries then there would be some complaints so count yourself lucky and if you aren't happy to pay use public transport or walk.

    Yeah, except for my husband, I've only heard *****ing when it comes to gas prices here in the states. I don't count myself lucky though, because Americans are sucking the oil wells dry at the expense of our health, the health of the planet and the health of our future. I do use public transportation, mainly bike routes and walking, thanks. We do have a car, and we do use it to travel distances like when we go 1000 miles to see family once a year. However, we drive so little, that our insurance on a full coverage mini van that's only 2 years old is 30 a month. Most of the time, it just stays parked in our garage.

    I always hear this... Bike to work. Use public transportation. Walk to work. I live in a rural area, working 15 miles from home. I cannot do any of these things to get to work. It's just not possible for most of us. The closest area with public transportation around me is 3 towns to the east. (about 30 miles). And I am not getting up any earlier than I already do. I'm sorry, but I have family I want to spend my time with, rather than using it to bike to and from work.
  • HelloDan
    HelloDan Posts: 712 Member
    This is the only country I know people kill themselves to get over here whether its getting shipped here via cargo container, getting smuggled in a trunk across the border, or floating on a car door. Once here, they show up for all the benefits they can qualify for such as ssn/welfare etc. I hear people that live in this country bad mouthing and it's like if you are not happy here, leave? I served 10 years in the Marines and I am happy to live here :)

    I think that reflects more on your knowledge of other countries than anything else. People from poorer deprived countries always try to get to richer more developed countries, it happens in Europe and Australia too, not JUST the US.

    Also a fair few comments of "you're not happy leave".
    How do you propse people do that?
    Ignoring the family ties, money, and all that stuff, you can't just go to another country, without visas or citizenship.
  • boomboom011
    boomboom011 Posts: 1,459
    I live in America, and frankly I hate living here.

    I work my butt off monday through friday for pay that barely covers my bills and groceries.
    I go to college monday through thursday nights, for which I pay out of pocket for. (yes full time school and work leaves me tired all the time!)
    I don't have any health insurance, so I just try to keep myself as healthy as possible.
    I only get 1 week, yes 1 week of vacation a year - and it's not even paid vacation.
    The political system scares the *kitten* out of me.
    And the way people here view the gay community, and people of other cultures/skin color/etc is just horrific.

    The boyfriend and I are just trying to get through college, and then we're looking to gain citizenship elsewhere and get out of here!

    I would love to help you leave. Good riddance!

    oh let me just get the education and them were out. My gut tells me you received a pell grant.
    BTW I get 3 weeks paid vacation and a week of sick pay. 2 personal days and lots of overtime if I like it. I get to work in an office with ac in the Texas summer and heat in the winter. I get to jump in my mercedes when I leave and drive on a gorgeous freeway paid for by the citizens of this Great State of Texas to a home that I own in a gorgeous neighborhood that my job paid for and its MINE. God Bless the USA! Oh and if I want I can throw a big *kitten* ribeye steak on my big Texas sized gas grill in my big *kitten* back yard too.
  • Rhea30
    Rhea30 Posts: 625 Member
    America is my home. The older America where we were a proud people, honest, hard workers and didn't want handouts. I miss this America. It has been replaced with give me give me. I still believe that if you want to work and make your own choices you should be able to. I don't want a ruler or free health care. I think abortions are a private decision mine would be not to abort. I believe two people should be able to choose to live, love and work together which means if they choose to marry they should be able to. America didn't become one of the strongest contries in the world by being ruled. Our constitution is what makes us free. I don't want Obama as a King.My life has been hard lots of struggles but I don't blame America it's up to me what I make it. I will end by saying i love America and will always love America

    I'm glad you don't want a king because we don't have a king. Obama is our PRESIDENT who was voted into office.
  • alecta337
    alecta337 Posts: 622 Member
    But, err... (damn it, I hope I don't offend anyone right now) monitoring your political situation scares me so bad. Religion has no place in politics and I'm fortunate to live in a country which has separated Church and State.

    I just can't get over that you don't have Universal Healthcare.
    I can't get over the abortion bill in Virginia.
    I can't get over the fact that the bill to allow employers to pick and choose what healthcare to cover only marginally got kicked out (we're talking like 4 votes between them).
    I can't get over the fact that someone like Rick Sanitorium could run for president and spread his hateful views on gays, coloured people and women, and name it all as a religious virtue.
    And although I love Barack Obama, I can't get over the fact that your President acts more like a celebrity than he does as a ruler of a country.

    American here... I agree with EVERYTHING you said... Rick Sanitorium is a scary scary man. Its VERY scary he was even considered at all to run our country *shudder*
  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member


    In the US census, there are 5 races (White, Black, Asian, Some other race, other) & they classify Middle Eastern & Central Asians under the "White" category. Honestly I also can't tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese or sometimes even some Filipinos & Thais apart from each other. I mistook two Chinese for a Filipino & some Filipinos as Chinese or Japanese. However I can tell the difference between a German and an Arab or a British and an Iranian.

    This post is not about telling the difference between races. It's about a country that is wayyyyyyy past it's heyday and long past being the "ruler of the free world"
  • bio_fit
    bio_fit Posts: 307 Member
    Hahaha, gotta love the replies here that are totally enforcing the stereotypes :smile: I wonder if they even know they're doing it?
  • doorki
    doorki Posts: 2,576 Member
    This thread makes me very sad.

    I am a proud American. I am also a Texan! I have guns. Lots of them. Its my right as an American to bear arms. I have a right to defend my family and my home. I appreciate the choice to own them if I so wish. There is a sign outside of my home that says "nothing in this house is worth dying for" and WE MEAN IT.

    I appreciate our military and the sacrifice that they give to defend our freedoms and to pretect this great nation.

    Unfortunately not all Americans feel this way. Like my friend said earlier thats the great thing about living here, if you dont like it you have the choice to leave.

    I wish we could come together as a nation cause were falling apart.

    P.S. we do not refer to african americans as "coloureds" as a few of you did earlier and neither did Rick Santorum.
    P.S.S. our leadership sucks right now. however, fortunately we get to vote soon. oh yea another right i have as an American.

    I noticed a bit of sarcasm in your post, and sure you do have the right to bear arms, here in Canada we do not. And as a Canadian, it seems odd to me that the general public can just walk around with a gun. I think if I were to go to Texas (which I would love to visit) I'd be all, "OMG HE'S GOT A GUN!" every time I saw one, it's just not natural for me.

    Amen! Not only do I not own a gun, like many Candians, I do not feel the need to own a gun.....Why do you feel you NEED a gun??
    Have you seen the crime rate in america?

    Yeah, cuz everyone owns bloody guns! And they are so easy to get! Have you seen the crime rate here in Canada compaired to yours?
    It's not the legal guns killing people. It's the illegal ones.

    But where are the illegal guns coming from? Other nations that have gun regulation do not seem to have the gun problems that the US has. Don't you think there may be some correlation? Also, while I am not a fan of hunting, I respect it but I am curious why the NRA feels that hunters need assault rifles and armor piercing bullets.
  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member


    I'm glad you don't want a king because we don't have a king. Obama is our PRESIDENT who was voted into office.

    The last President to balance the US budget was Clinton.

    That is all.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    What? Texas is not the "wild west"???? Ha!
    Tell that to my friends in Montana. They have had not one but TWO dogs shot and killed by neighbors. No fines or penalties either. 4 broken-hearted children as a result.
    You want me to tell your friends in Montana that Texas is not the "wild west"???? Not sure I see the connection.
  • HelloDan
    HelloDan Posts: 712 Member
    This topic brings up a trip me and my husband took 4 years ago. We went to the Dominican Republic and although the location was beautiful, our vacation was almost ruined by rude Europeans. A specific incident that comes to mind....we were waiting in a long line for the beach buffet, when I finally reached the food and just as I was standing in front of the food, an arm literally reaches in front of me and grabs the last piece of chicken. REALLY??? Why would someone reach in front of someone for food? Found out later, she was European. Also, throughout the entire week, we would say hello to other guests only to be ignored and scowled at. We couldn't figure it out until almost the end of our trip when we met a fellow American that spoke French and she told us that she overhead many European guests saying how rude and spoiled us Americans were. I couldn't believe it...WE were the ones saying hello all week long and THEY were the ones ignoring or scowling at us.

    Now with that said....I can't say that I hate or dislike all Europeans but don't understand some of their views towards us. A few bad apples don't make the whole orchard bad!

    I don't want to be harsh, but perhaps the problem here is on both sides.

    From what you describe, what they did was rude, and that can't be condoned. However you mention that they were speaking French, so were you greeting them in French, or did you just expect them to use your language?
  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member

    But where are the illegal guns coming from? Other nations that have gun regulation do not seem to have the gun problems that the US has. Don't you think there may be some correlation? Also, while I am not a fan of hunting, I respect it but I am curious why the NRA feels that hunters need assault rifles and armor piercing bullets.

    My husband is a lifetime NRA member. I've never seen an NRA member use machine guns for hunting.

    That would violate the hunting license in every single state in America. Other hunters would turn that person in.

    Call me up on the day you see someone hunting with a machine gun.

    For real.
  • jpuderbaugh
    jpuderbaugh Posts: 318 Member
    Tell me which other countries has a policy in fill-out application forms indicating their ethnicity or race. Only in the US. Not to mention that they love to give out stupid useless labels to minorities such as "Hispanic/Latino", "Asian". FYI Hispanic belongs to the Spaniards & not all Latin Americans have direct Spanish lineage. Asia is a CONTINENT & saying one is of "Asian race" is such stupid. The funny thing is that the term "Asian" doesn't include Middle East, Central Asia or sometimes even India as part of "Asian" category whereas they are technically part of Asia.

    Every country I've lived in. It's not because the government is racist, it's for social profiling and can be used for good instead of evil. FOR EXAMPLE: understanding that a particular ethnicity is more prone to / exempt from certain cancers or diseases leads to research which can potentially provide vaccines / cures etc. You have to learn to look at the glass half-full aspect of this!

    OK if that is the case then why the inaccurate label? For example the label Hispanic/Latino, as I said a while ago its not an ethnicity & many Latin Americans don't have direct Spanish lineage to qualify for that Hispanic label. A Mexican of mostly Indigenous descent & a white Argentine who is of German descent are ethnicities apart & yet there in the US, both of them are called Hispanics :noway: Yes we speak Spanish but it doesn't make us Spaniards anymore than a German who is fluent in Japanese language be called Japanese.

    And Asian race? C'mon its not a race nor ethnicity, it simply means anyone from the CONTINENT OF ASIA which happen to include Middle East & Central Asians & yet the US defines them as "White".


    Seriously? I refer to people who are either Chinese, Japanese, Korean or whatnot as Asian simply because I cannot tell the difference. I refer to people in the middle east as middle eastern - I do not call them white.

    In the US census, there are 5 races (White, Black, Asian, Some other race, other) & they classify Middle Eastern & Central Asians under the "White" category. Honestly I also can't tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese or sometimes even some Filipinos & Thais apart from each other. I mistook two Chinese for a Filipino & some Filipinos as Chinese or Japanese. However I can tell the difference between a German and an Arab or a British and an Iranian.

    If I remember correctly, those questionnaires are optional. You don't have to fill them out. (I know that doesn't mean you can't complain about them, I'm not saying that).
  • eightpock
    eightpock Posts: 61
    America is by far the greatest threat to the world and individual liberty.

    We shouldn't be Exporting Democracy. The type of government doesn't matter as long as the government isn't too large and too oppressive. Our Democratic government is too large and too oppressive. It is a threat to liberty itself.

    The Religious far-right that want to legislative their theology are dangerous people, those types of people are just as bad as the far-right conservatives ruling in Iran.
  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member

    From what you describe, what they did was rude, and that can't be condoned. However you mention that they were speaking French, so were you greeting them in French, or did you just expect them to use your language?

    French is not the Universal language in Canada.
  • macpatti
    macpatti Posts: 4,280 Member
    BTW I get 3 weeks paid vacation and a week of sick pay. 2 personal days and lots of overtime if I like it. I get to work in an office with ac in the Texas summer and heat in the winter. I get to jump in my mercedes when I leave and drive on a gorgeous freeway paid for by the citizens of this Great State of Texas to a home that I own in a gorgeous neighborhood that my job paid for and its MINE. God Bless the USA! Oh and if I want I can throw a big *kitten* ribeye steak on my big Texas sized gas grill in my big *kitten* back yard too.
    You forgot that you can choose to practice whatever religion you like, or none at all!
  • TinkrBelz
    TinkrBelz Posts: 866 Member

    And remember, nothing is free, those of you with Universal healthcare, you pay for it out of your taxes. Nothing is ever free!!

    We have Universal Health Care in Massachusetts and we're the only state that does. Yes, we pay for it. And, our employers by law have to offer coverage to their employees to operate here.

    Guess what? During this recession our jobless rate was lower than the rest of the US. Our tech and healthcare jobs were still strong during the recession that we just had. It did not HURT our businesses to have universal health care.

    Here's the #1 reason I like living in a state with mandatory health insurance (the only one in the US): My friends with small businesses CAN FINALLY AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. Bam, done.

    I might be one of the few Republicans that do not have a problem with Romneycare. I think he did what was best for his state and he did what his state's citizens wanted. But just because it worked for Massachusetts, does not mean that it would work for the US or my state. I think that each state should do what is best for its citizens.
  • blink1021
    blink1021 Posts: 1,115 Member
    I understand that the person who started the thread asked for the opinions but as I go through the thread reading I just have to laugh at how ignorant some of the responses are. I am not trying to be mean but really all you have to do is see the high rate of people trying to get citizenship here and the fact that there are quite a few people here illegally. As for politics all countries have their own problems no matter where you live. If people were to go back and brush up on their US history they would understand why and how this country was settled. As for complaining about our school systems when you have never attended an American school...... Lets just say I would not complain about your school system.

    Really? You are calling people ignorant for speaking poorly of our educational system? Have YOU ever attended school outside of America? Have you ever read a report on how POORLY our educational system is doing in regards to the rest of the world? Obviously not. I actually did attend school in the United States (in 9 different states) as well as in Argentina and in Spain. I can honestly say that the education I received outside of the USA was by far superior than any that I received in the USA. I even attended one of the top high schools in the country for about a year and a half (clearly, my family moved around a lot), and it didn't even come close in comparison to the studies I received outside of the US. Before you call someone ignorant for not attending a US school, you may want to step back and take a look at the bigger picture.


    Good for you. Yes I attended school outside of the US. It is ignorant to discuss educational systems you know nothing about. I do not express my opinion unless I personally have experienced it. Most of these people are going on stereotypes and generalizations so before you attack people you should read what they write.

    And exactly which educational system is it that I know nothing about? Refresh my memory please.

    Your ridiculous trying to start an argument once again read the post did I call you ignorant? No if you want to blast the country you live in by all means go ahead but do not fault me for finding an issue with people who have no knowledge running off at the mouth because of something they heard or saw on t.v.

    I asked which educational system I know nothing about, because you said I was speaking of a system I knew nothing about (it's in the quotes, see for yourself). I was just asking you to enlighten me on which system I am speaking of without knowledge. I'm not ridiculous, I'm curious. And I rarely turn on a television, and when I do, you can rest assured believe it wouldn't be to watch US news stations!

    You are again read the quotes I was referring to people who do not know anything from a personal basis. By all means take it personally never once did I say you. Thats fine you do not like the U.S. school systems, news, etc. I am surprised you live here. Congratulations and good for you once again and it will be the last time I repeat myself so read carefully I never said you personally!!!!
  • boomboom011
    boomboom011 Posts: 1,459
    BTW I get 3 weeks paid vacation and a week of sick pay. 2 personal days and lots of overtime if I like it. I get to work in an office with ac in the Texas summer and heat in the winter. I get to jump in my mercedes when I leave and drive on a gorgeous freeway paid for by the citizens of this Great State of Texas to a home that I own in a gorgeous neighborhood that my job paid for and its MINE. God Bless the USA! Oh and if I want I can throw a big *kitten* ribeye steak on my big Texas sized gas grill in my big *kitten* back yard too.
    You forgot that you can choose to practice whatever religion you like, or none at all!


    YES THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew I forgot something. Thanks my friend! We have so many freedoms, we take them for granted sometimes. I thank the Lord!
  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member

    If I remember correctly, those questionnaires are optional. You don't have to fill them out. (I know that doesn't mean you can't complain about them, I'm not saying that).

    http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/the-problem-solver/2010/03/the-us-census-and-why-you-should-care.html
  • jpuderbaugh
    jpuderbaugh Posts: 318 Member
    I live in America, and frankly I hate living here.

    I work my butt off monday through friday for pay that barely covers my bills and groceries.
    I go to college monday through thursday nights, for which I pay out of pocket for. (yes full time school and work leaves me tired all the time!)
    I don't have any health insurance, so I just try to keep myself as healthy as possible.
    I only get 1 week, yes 1 week of vacation a year - and it's not even paid vacation.
    The political system scares the *kitten* out of me.
    And the way people here view the gay community, and people of other cultures/skin color/etc is just horrific.

    The boyfriend and I are just trying to get through college, and then we're looking to gain citizenship elsewhere and get out of here!

    I would love to help you leave. Good riddance!

    oh let me just get the education and them were out. My gut tells me you received a pell grant.
    BTW I get 3 weeks paid vacation and a week of sick pay. 2 personal days and lots of overtime if I like it. I get to work in an office with ac in the Texas summer and heat in the winter. I get to jump in my mercedes when I leave and drive on a gorgeous freeway paid for by the citizens of this Great State of Texas to a home that I own in a gorgeous neighborhood that my job paid for and its MINE. God Bless the USA! Oh and if I want I can throw a big *kitten* ribeye steak on my big Texas sized gas grill in my big *kitten* back yard too.

    Depending on her age, she may not have qualified for any grants. When I went to college, I didn't qualify for a few, but I qualified for others. If I had waited even a year longer, I wouldn't have qualified for any. It all depends on your age.

    And I have a college degree, and am working at a job that barely pays me enough to cover gas expenses and groceries, and I get no perks. No paid time off at all, not even holidays. I'm looking to leave here as soon as possible because I can't stand the stress of wondering what the hell I would do if I got sick or injured. Thank GOD for my husband's job where I get free health care (well, we have a co-pay, but nothing is taken from his paycheck to pay for our insurance), and at least his job covers the rest of the expenses. His job doesn't require a college degree and he makes boat loads more money than me. If I could actually find a job that I want (Accounts Receivable/Payable) , we'll be making the same amount of money, if not (I would be making) more.
  • TinkrBelz
    TinkrBelz Posts: 866 Member


    I'm glad you don't want a king because we don't have a king. Obama is our PRESIDENT who was voted into office.

    The last President to balance the US budget was Clinton.

    That is all.

    With a Republican Congress! :wink:

    But this is a good example, of how two sides can work together and get stuff done!!!
  • HelloDan
    HelloDan Posts: 712 Member

    From what you describe, what they did was rude, and that can't be condoned. However you mention that they were speaking French, so were you greeting them in French, or did you just expect them to use your language?

    French is not the Universal language in Canada.

    No, but it is in France, which I assume the European tourists referred to were from, unless Canada has become a part of Europe??!!

    I think maybe there is a misunderstanding here!

    *EDIT*

    I wanted to add, I'm not against the person whose post I replied here, just wanted to point out that every story has 2 sides. Also I think judging whole countries or continents on a few people you have met isn't really the best way to do it.

    Everyone can make their own points, but I find the opinions of people who have experienced living both in and outside the US most interesting, as they have real baselines for comparisons.
  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member

    I might be one of the few Republicans that do not have a problem with Romneycare. I think he did what was best for his state and he did what his state's citizens wanted. But just because it worked for Massachusetts, does not mean that it would work for the US or my state. I think that each state should do what is best for its citizens.

    The system is not perfect.

    Having small businesses in the US not be able to afford to offer healthcare to their employees is a CRIME.

    Think about what you are saying.

    Why should MA be the only one where everyone has healthcare. For those that cannot afford it there's a state plan. If you want kids and families to be BANKRUPT because the employer can't offer healthcare go right ahead. Health related bills are the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in America. I'm glad I live in a state that's made that a thing of the past. I'm glad my aging parents and small business owners can afford health insurance. I'm also glad by law they have to have health insurance.

    If you want to live in a state that does not support the above go right ahead. I'm proud to live somewhere that had jobs in the recession and has universal health care. It's not perfect but it works.
  • blink1021
    blink1021 Posts: 1,115 Member
    I live in America, and frankly I hate living here.

    I work my butt off monday through friday for pay that barely covers my bills and groceries.
    I go to college monday through thursday nights, for which I pay out of pocket for. (yes full time school and work leaves me tired all the time!)
    I don't have any health insurance, so I just try to keep myself as healthy as possible.
    I only get 1 week, yes 1 week of vacation a year - and it's not even paid vacation.
    The political system scares the *kitten* out of me.
    And the way people here view the gay community, and people of other cultures/skin color/etc is just horrific.

    The boyfriend and I are just trying to get through college, and then we're looking to gain citizenship elsewhere and get out of here!

    I would love to help you leave. Good riddance!

    oh let me just get the education and them were out. My gut tells me you received a pell grant.
    BTW I get 3 weeks paid vacation and a week of sick pay. 2 personal days and lots of overtime if I like it. I get to work in an office with ac in the Texas summer and heat in the winter. I get to jump in my mercedes when I leave and drive on a gorgeous freeway paid for by the citizens of this Great State of Texas to a home that I own in a gorgeous neighborhood that my job paid for and its MINE. God Bless the USA! Oh and if I want I can throw a big *kitten* ribeye steak on my big Texas sized gas grill in my big *kitten* back yard too.

    Depending on her age, she may not have qualified for any grants. When I went to college, I didn't qualify for a few, but I qualified for others. If I had waited even a year longer, I wouldn't have qualified for any. It all depends on your age.

    After my parents no longer claimed me on their tax returns. I qualified for pell grants and financial aid did not have to start paying a dime until after I finished school. My husband receives all grants for his school now and he is in his 30's
  • EmCarroll1990
    EmCarroll1990 Posts: 2,832 Member

    From what you describe, what they did was rude, and that can't be condoned. However you mention that they were speaking French, so were you greeting them in French, or did you just expect them to use your language?

    French is not the Universal language in Canada.

    Um, they weren't in Canada. They were in the Dominican Republic.
  • MaraDiaz
    MaraDiaz Posts: 4,604 Member

    Americans need to get their head around the fact that, by all indicators, we do not live in the best country in the world. That doesn't mean it's not okay to like it here and to stay anyway, but telling people who want to leave that everywhere else is like a small, impoverished island nation suffering under decades of trade sanctions is a bit ridiculous, don't you think?

    Like Ancient Rome, every great Empire has to fall sometime. America is no longer the "ruler of the free world" or the "greatest country on Earth" Those days are long gone.

    I wonder how many were smart enough and lucky enough to get out of Rome before things got really bad?
  • TheWinman
    TheWinman Posts: 684 Member
    We are not perfect all you have to do is look at the government assisstance programs and how easy it is to get this assisstance in many states and to live off of it. All you have to do is walk into any grocery store at the beginning of the month where I live and watch people fill their carts pay with a benefit card then walk outside and load their groceries in a new vehicle. Or buy steaks for their dogs because dog food is not covered (True story I was behind this in line one time) . It just shows how easy governments can be manipulated.

    Seen this too many times in line, I have my cart filled with generic food. The lady in front of me buys food with her money. Then does a separate purchase of name brand name juices and bread using her WIC card. Or, they buy their food with Food Stamps. Then a separate purchase by cigarettes with their own money. Or paying for their food with Food Stamp, meanwhile they and their kids have smart phones and I have a crap phone and I paying for all of my generic label food for my family of 8!!

    Let me play devil's advocate. I'm not talking about government assistance lifer's. How do you know the person you see paying their food with food stamps has not just recently lost their job and are struggling at the present time. They already owned a nice car, the kids already had smart phones etc... They need temporary assistance to get them through a tough time period. We already know how terrible many Americans are in saving money. :) . Are they suppose to sell everything they own immediately? Let's say they got a another nice paying job within a couple of months, they still have the car, the phones etc.... You may be surprised how many people use government assistance in a the way that it was intended, for short term temporary relief.

    I do not mind our government helping people out temporarily! In fact, as a wealthy and compassionate country, we should do this. And you are right, I do not know if this is a temporary situation.

    But, when my kids were in the public school, there were kids at my sons' school that receive and have always received free breakfast and lunch and they had cell phones when my kids did not and they wore expensive clothes. I remember one of my sons asking how come I packed their lunch when other kids got the nicer food for free. (The school had a basic lunch, but you could pay more money for the yummier food). I said because their parents do not make enough money, and the boys told me that they have money for nice clothes and phones.

    I agree with you that there is plenty of abuse of the system and we have to eliminate that or else there will be no assistance available in the near future. I researched government assistance available here in Illinois when I become in unemployed in case my situation ever become very serious. It would be the last thing I would ever think of doing as I'm way too proud and stubborn to ask for help, but I have kids and would have to bite the bullet and get help if needed. Here in Illinois, it seems they have some steps in place to avoid abuse. They use a link card (not food stamps) for food benefits. You can only purchase groceries, not booze, not hot meals or any other non food items. My understanding is that when your items get scanned and you pay for them with your link card, if you have any items that don't meet the criteria for benefits, you will have a balance due at checkout for those items. You either have to pay for them by other means or don't buy them.
    You do have to provide much documentation and proof of your situation, your dependents etc... You have 10 days to notify the state of any changes in income, dependent status etc.... Your case gets reviewed every 6 months.
    That being said, there are flaws galore. To fully educate myself on this I had to go through the initial process of applying for benefits. Wow, what an eye opener. I applied online but had to go into one of the offices for an interview. Five hour wait!!! The office is badly understaffed. (sickens me with the current unemployment rate) I guess since Illinois is basically broke, this would explained the badly staffed situation. While waiting I talked to many people, especially people who know the routine. 1) Any paperwork you have hand it to your case worker directly or else they will never get it, even if it means coming in and waiting another 5 hours to hand it to them. 2) Some case workers are great and will do whatever to help while others don't give a crap about you. It's all in the luck of the draw.
    So if this office is so understaffed, I assume the entire state office is understaffed and very lacking in making sure people are not abusing the system. IMO
    Once I left there I became more determined then ver to get work and fix my situation, I never want to go t that office again. :)
  • gmctech
    gmctech Posts: 104 Member
    Holy crap some of you folks are hard on the USA.. for Americans that dislike their home... The grass is always greener... In Canada health care is not free... we are taxed up the wazoo and back down the wazoo and around the wazoo etc etc!!! Our Canadian political system is also so f'ed up that i would never diss another countries political system. If you don't like something where you live.... CHANGE IT! get vocal! participate! I do it here in Canada.. if i don't like something, i join forces with like minded people! We just made to gov't here ban the long-gun registry and we worked hard and it happened! Things can change, don't grumble and/or run away.. Fight for your rights and change whats wrong... It can be done!