Adele.. fat?!
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Can't believe it took me so long to log in and see this thread today!
. My 2c for those who care.
Is Adele overweight? YES
Could this have adverse effects on her health and could she live a longer and healthier life by losing some weight? YES
Has she made some significant progress in her weightloss in the last four years? YES
Now taking all of that into consideration, and remembering that we're on MFP, can we stop the judgements and admit that she could stand to lose some weight for HER OWN health... but more importantly, let's consider her a work in progress and acknowledge/celebrate the progress she has already made!
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I am so tired of women throwing around terms like big boned and curvy to justify their own laziness. People aren't supposed to weigh this much. It doesn't matter what this whole big girls are beautiful campaign is telling you. If you are overweight you are doing something wrong. Thats why we are on this site; to correct the poor behavior and choices we have been making. Everyones goal should always be to be as healthy as their body will allow them. Some people may have larger frames but does this excuse the 20%+ bodyfat on them? NO it doesnt. Its not natural, its not beautiful, and its not ok to teach our children this.
This is exactly the kind of BS that makes me angry. Actually there is a body of evidence that shows a physically fit overweight person is at lower risk than an unfit person of normal weight. Fitness is an indicator of health, not weight. I am over 20% body-fat, I also work a full-time job, train about 12hrs a week and eat healthy foods. I have not, for the past 12 months or so, eaten at a calorie deficit, hence my being here to lose bodyfat. I am happy to admit that I am fat and I am happy to admit that I can lose weight if I eat a calorie deficit. However I am not lazy and I am not unhealthy.... the same goes for a great many people on this site.
Right. Tired of people acting as if folks that they think are unattractive bc they have excess body fat are automatically going to keel over and die soon. Just say you don't like fat people lol. It's fine.0 -
Can't believe it took me so long to log in and see this thread today!. My 2c for those who care.
Is Adele overweight? YES
Could this have adverse effects on her health and could she live a longer and healthier life by losing some weight? YES
Has she made some significant progress in her weightloss in the last four years? YES
Now taking all of that into consideration, and remembering that we're on MFP, can we stop the judgements and admit that she could stand to lose some weight for HER OWN health... but more importantly, let's consider her a work in progress and acknowledge/celebrate the progress she has already made!
:flowerforyou:
Well said man...I'm feeling slightly less than diplomatic this evening, and you did it better than I would have anyhow.
So without any knowledge at all about her metabolic health, diet, physical fitness or genetics, you are both able to make this statement (in bold)? How pray-tell? I'd love to find out where you got your crystal ball.0 -
I am so tired of women throwing around terms like big boned and curvy to justify their own laziness. People aren't supposed to weigh this much. It doesn't matter what this whole big girls are beautiful campaign is telling you. If you are overweight you are doing something wrong. Thats why we are on this site; to correct the poor behavior and choices we have been making. Everyones goal should always be to be as healthy as their body will allow them. Some people may have larger frames but does this excuse the 20%+ bodyfat on them? NO it doesnt. Its not natural, its not beautiful, and its not ok to teach our children this.
While I agree wholeheartedly that being overweight is not something that should be taught as 'natural and beautiful' to children, there does need to be a line drawn at self acceptance and love for your body and mind at ANY weight. Regardless of being overweight, women should not have to feel completely worthless and ugly when they are heavyset. Do I agree that those (including myself) who are overweight should lose the weight and get fit- of course! But if you kill all reassurance that you're worth it and beautiful, what would be the point of even trying?
Terms such as 'curvy' and 'big boned' soften the blow of the term 'FAT'. As such a publicly demeaning word, it's not like any women would ever feel good about themselves when they hear it. A positive attitude towards yourself and a sense of worth will always be motivation to be the best 'you'.
Do I feel great being overweight? No.
Do I feel like I currently look the best I can? No.
Do I still feel beautiful when I look in the mirror- you're damn right I do.
And it only gives me more motivation to get to my healthiest weight and achieve better fitness goals.
If you remove a persons sense of worth you are removing any motivation they could ever have to be better and feel better.
I say KUDOS to any campaign promoting self love and anti-discrimination.
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Now on a side note- I hate Adele's morals.
She's an idiot who promotes unhealthy eating and smoking world-wide.
Disgusting.
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exactly and another point......for a woman 20% is statistically considered unhealthy. they should be at 21%I am so tired of women throwing around terms like big boned and curvy to justify their own laziness. People aren't supposed to weigh this much. It doesn't matter what this whole big girls are beautiful campaign is telling you. If you are overweight you are doing something wrong. Thats why we are on this site; to correct the poor behavior and choices we have been making. Everyones goal should always be to be as healthy as their body will allow them. Some people may have larger frames but does this excuse the 20%+ bodyfat on them? NO it doesnt. Its not natural, its not beautiful, and its not ok to teach our children this.
This is exactly the kind of BS that makes me angry. Actually there is a body of evidence that shows a physically fit overweight person is at lower risk than an unfit person of normal weight. Fitness is an indicator of health, not weight. I am over 20% body-fat, I also work a full-time job, train about 12hrs a week and eat healthy foods. I have not, for the past 12 months or so, eaten at a calorie deficit, hence my being here to lose bodyfat. I am happy to admit that I am fat and I am happy to admit that I can lose weight if I eat a calorie deficit. However I am not lazy and I am not unhealthy.... the same goes for a great many people on this site.
actually it's anything over 25% is overweight, over 30% is obese i'm not sure where morbidly obese starts0 -
exactly and another point......for a woman 20% is statistically considered unhealthy. they should be at 21%I am so tired of women throwing around terms like big boned and curvy to justify their own laziness. People aren't supposed to weigh this much. It doesn't matter what this whole big girls are beautiful campaign is telling you. If you are overweight you are doing something wrong. Thats why we are on this site; to correct the poor behavior and choices we have been making. Everyones goal should always be to be as healthy as their body will allow them. Some people may have larger frames but does this excuse the 20%+ bodyfat on them? NO it doesnt. Its not natural, its not beautiful, and its not ok to teach our children this.
This is exactly the kind of BS that makes me angry. Actually there is a body of evidence that shows a physically fit overweight person is at lower risk than an unfit person of normal weight. Fitness is an indicator of health, not weight. I am over 20% body-fat, I also work a full-time job, train about 12hrs a week and eat healthy foods. I have not, for the past 12 months or so, eaten at a calorie deficit, hence my being here to lose bodyfat. I am happy to admit that I am fat and I am happy to admit that I can lose weight if I eat a calorie deficit. However I am not lazy and I am not unhealthy.... the same goes for a great many people on this site.
Who told you this rubbish? women should not be at 21%. Women can be healthy up to 12% bodyfat. 21% is just the highest that doctors and nutritionist have determind that a women can be and not dramatically increase health risk.0 -
Can't believe it took me so long to log in and see this thread today!. My 2c for those who care.
Is Adele overweight? YES
Could this have adverse effects on her health and could she live a longer and healthier life by losing some weight? YES
Has she made some significant progress in her weightloss in the last four years? YES
Now taking all of that into consideration, and remembering that we're on MFP, can we stop the judgements and admit that she could stand to lose some weight for HER OWN health... but more importantly, let's consider her a work in progress and acknowledge/celebrate the progress she has already made!
:flowerforyou:
Well said man...I'm feeling slightly less than diplomatic this evening, and you did it better than I would have anyhow.
So without any knowledge at all about her metabolic health, diet, physical fitness or genetics, you are both able to make this statement (in bold)? How pray-tell? I'd love to find out where you got your crystal ball.
Natalia hun, it says 'could this have adverse effects?'. Can you say it won't for sure? No. Can we say it will for sure? No. I know that's one of your pet peeves...but I wanted to show you a different point of view.
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Can't believe it took me so long to log in and see this thread today!. My 2c for those who care.
Is Adele overweight? YES
Could this have adverse effects on her health and could she live a longer and healthier life by losing some weight? YES
Has she made some significant progress in her weightloss in the last four years? YES
Now taking all of that into consideration, and remembering that we're on MFP, can we stop the judgements and admit that she could stand to lose some weight for HER OWN health... but more importantly, let's consider her a work in progress and acknowledge/celebrate the progress she has already made!
:flowerforyou:
Well said man...I'm feeling slightly less than diplomatic this evening, and you did it better than I would have anyhow.
So without any knowledge at all about her metabolic health, diet, physical fitness or genetics, you are both able to make this statement (in bold)? How pray-tell? I'd love to find out where you got your crystal ball.
The key word here is 'could', not would.0 -
I am so tired of women throwing around terms like big boned and curvy to justify their own laziness. People aren't supposed to weigh this much. It doesn't matter what this whole big girls are beautiful campaign is telling you. If you are overweight you are doing something wrong. Thats why we are on this site; to correct the poor behavior and choices we have been making. Everyones goal should always be to be as healthy as their body will allow them. Some people may have larger frames but does this excuse the 20%+ bodyfat on them? NO it doesnt. Its not natural, its not beautiful, and its not ok to teach our children this.
While I agree wholeheartedly that being overweight is not something that should be taught as 'natural and beautiful' to children, there does need to be a line drawn at self acceptance and love for your body and mind at ANY weight. Regardless of being overweight, women should not have to feel completely worthless and ugly when they are heavyset. Do I agree that those (including myself) who are overweight should lose the weight and get fit- of course! But if you kill all reassurance that you're worth it and beautiful, what would be the point of even trying?
Terms such as 'curvy' and 'big boned' soften the blow of the term 'FAT'. As such a publicly demeaning word, it's not like any women would ever feel good about themselves when they hear it. A positive attitude towards yourself and a sense of worth will always be motivation to be the best 'you'.
Do I feel great being overweight? No.
Do I feel like I currently look the best I can? No.
Do I still feel beautiful when I look in the mirror- you're damn right I do.
And it only gives me more motivation to get to my healthiest weight and achieve better fitness goals.
If you remove a persons sense of worth you are removing any motivation they could ever have to be better and feel better.
I say KUDOS to any campaign promoting self love and anti-discrimination.
.....
Now on a side note- I hate Adele's morals.
She's an idiot who promotes unhealthy eating and smoking world-wide.
Disgusting.
/endrant
Of course you would still feel beautiful, because you ARE anyway!! I'd feel beautiful if I had a face like yours, regardless if I were large or small.0 -
I am so tired of women throwing around terms like big boned and curvy to justify their own laziness. People aren't supposed to weigh this much. It doesn't matter what this whole big girls are beautiful campaign is telling you. If you are overweight you are doing something wrong. Thats why we are on this site; to correct the poor behavior and choices we have been making. Everyones goal should always be to be as healthy as their body will allow them. Some people may have larger frames but does this excuse the 20%+ bodyfat on them? NO it doesnt. Its not natural, its not beautiful, and its not ok to teach our children this.
While I agree wholeheartedly that being overweight is not something that should be taught as 'natural and beautiful' to children, there does need to be a line drawn at self acceptance and love for your body and mind at ANY weight. Regardless of being overweight, women should not have to feel completely worthless and ugly when they are heavyset. Do I agree that those (including myself) who are overweight should lose the weight and get fit- of course! But if you kill all reassurance that you're worth it and beautiful, what would be the point of even trying?
Terms such as 'curvy' and 'big boned' soften the blow of the term 'FAT'. As such a publicly demeaning word, it's not like any women would ever feel good about themselves when they hear it. A positive attitude towards yourself and a sense of worth will always be motivation to be the best 'you'.
Do I feel great being overweight? No.
Do I feel like I currently look the best I can? No.
Do I still feel beautiful when I look in the mirror- you're damn right I do.
And it only gives me more motivation to get to my healthiest weight and achieve better fitness goals.
If you remove a persons sense of worth you are removing any motivation they could ever have to be better and feel better.
I say KUDOS to any campaign promoting self love and anti-discrimination.
.....
Now on a side note- I hate Adele's morals.
She's an idiot who promotes unhealthy eating and smoking world-wide.
Disgusting.
/endrant
I see your point in this and i do agree that people need to be able to look forward to something to lose weight, but embracing this very P.C. world that we live in is not good for anyone. The kid on the playground used to be "fat" and you know what? no one wanted to be that kid. No one wanted to be that adult. While i agree there is a line that we need to draw where people should respect themselves it should never be drawn at a point where people think "you know what its fine to be this heavy." People need to know that nothing is ever good enough. You hit a weight goal, now build muscle. You built muscle now train dynamic sports you finish that now improve your stretching and lower your risk of injury. Build lung capacity, improve your blood sugar or VO2 max. We need to stop being so complacent.0 -
Can't believe it took me so long to log in and see this thread today!. My 2c for those who care.
Is Adele overweight? YES
Could this have adverse effects on her health and could she live a longer and healthier life by losing some weight? YES
Has she made some significant progress in her weightloss in the last four years? YES
Now taking all of that into consideration, and remembering that we're on MFP, can we stop the judgements and admit that she could stand to lose some weight for HER OWN health... but more importantly, let's consider her a work in progress and acknowledge/celebrate the progress she has already made!
:flowerforyou:
This. She IS overweight, but it really has no effect on her success as a singer and it's HER body, so who cares? Ever look at Aretha Franklin?0 -
Can't believe it took me so long to log in and see this thread today!. My 2c for those who care.
Is Adele overweight? YES
Could this have adverse effects on her health and could she live a longer and healthier life by losing some weight? YES
Has she made some significant progress in her weightloss in the last four years? YES
Now taking all of that into consideration, and remembering that we're on MFP, can we stop the judgements and admit that she could stand to lose some weight for HER OWN health... but more importantly, let's consider her a work in progress and acknowledge/celebrate the progress she has already made!
:flowerforyou:
Well said man...I'm feeling slightly less than diplomatic this evening, and you did it better than I would have anyhow.
So without any knowledge at all about her metabolic health, diet, physical fitness or genetics, you are both able to make this statement (in bold)? How pray-tell? I'd love to find out where you got your crystal ball.
Natalia hun, it says 'could this have adverse effects?'. Can you say it won't for sure? No. Can we say it will for sure? No. I know that's one of your pet peeves...but I wanted to show you a different point of view.
:flowerforyou:
really, no matter how many times I read that sentence it still says that she "could live a longer and healthier life by losing weight?".... to me that says lose some weight, live longer... or am I losing my mind?0 -
Yes, she is overweight.
This is unhealthy, and yet people say shes a great role model?!
Celebrities who are underweight are heavily criticized for being bad role models, promoting eating disorders, messing up girls body image etc, but nobody says the same about overweight celebrities and they are just as unhealthy. Making young girls think its okay to be overweight is just as damaging as media pressure to be underweight, its not healthy!0 -
I am so tired of women throwing around terms like big boned and curvy to justify their own laziness. People aren't supposed to weigh this much. It doesn't matter what this whole big girls are beautiful campaign is telling you. If you are overweight you are doing something wrong. Thats why we are on this site; to correct the poor behavior and choices we have been making. Everyones goal should always be to be as healthy as their body will allow them. Some people may have larger frames but does this excuse the 20%+ bodyfat on them? NO it doesnt. Its not natural, its not beautiful, and its not ok to teach our children this.
While I agree wholeheartedly that being overweight is not something that should be taught as 'natural and beautiful' to children, there does need to be a line drawn at self acceptance and love for your body and mind at ANY weight. Regardless of being overweight, women should not have to feel completely worthless and ugly when they are heavyset. Do I agree that those (including myself) who are overweight should lose the weight and get fit- of course! But if you kill all reassurance that you're worth it and beautiful, what would be the point of even trying?
Terms such as 'curvy' and 'big boned' soften the blow of the term 'FAT'. As such a publicly demeaning word, it's not like any women would ever feel good about themselves when they hear it. A positive attitude towards yourself and a sense of worth will always be motivation to be the best 'you'.
Do I feel great being overweight? No.
Do I feel like I currently look the best I can? No.
Do I still feel beautiful when I look in the mirror- you're damn right I do.
And it only gives me more motivation to get to my healthiest weight and achieve better fitness goals.
If you remove a persons sense of worth you are removing any motivation they could ever have to be better and feel better.
I say KUDOS to any campaign promoting self love and anti-discrimination.
.....
Now on a side note- I hate Adele's morals.
She's an idiot who promotes unhealthy eating and smoking world-wide.
Disgusting.
/endrant
Of course you would still feel beautiful, because you ARE anyway!! I'd feel beautiful if I had a face like yours, regardless if I were large or small.
lol you're a sweetheart..
In all honesty it took me a LONG, long, long time to have self acceptance. It's been a huge struggle most of my life.
I thought I was hideous and overweight with 19% body fat in high school.. ugh how wrong I was; but at a size 7 I was oh-so-much larger than my size 0 friends.
Now that I am -much- larger than a 7 and have been working to be the healthiest and fittest 'me', I have truly started learning how important self-love and positive reinforcement is. :-)
I like the term curvy and hope that once I reach my weightloss goal I will still be able to use it (thanks to lifting)..!0 -
If she was a skinny bird, and always had been, she would not have that amazing voice. Don't ask me why bigger women have powerful voices, I can't answer that one. And yes I'm sure there are also exceptions to the rule.0
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I am so tired of women throwing around terms like big boned and curvy to justify their own laziness. People aren't supposed to weigh this much. It doesn't matter what this whole big girls are beautiful campaign is telling you. If you are overweight you are doing something wrong. Thats why we are on this site; to correct the poor behavior and choices we have been making. Everyones goal should always be to be as healthy as their body will allow them. Some people may have larger frames but does this excuse the 20%+ bodyfat on them? NO it doesnt. Its not natural, its not beautiful, and its not ok to teach our children this.
While I agree wholeheartedly that being overweight is not something that should be taught as 'natural and beautiful' to children, there does need to be a line drawn at self acceptance and love for your body and mind at ANY weight. Regardless of being overweight, women should not have to feel completely worthless and ugly when they are heavyset. Do I agree that those (including myself) who are overweight should lose the weight and get fit- of course! But if you kill all reassurance that you're worth it and beautiful, what would be the point of even trying?
Terms such as 'curvy' and 'big boned' soften the blow of the term 'FAT'. As such a publicly demeaning word, it's not like any women would ever feel good about themselves when they hear it. A positive attitude towards yourself and a sense of worth will always be motivation to be the best 'you'.
Do I feel great being overweight? No.
Do I feel like I currently look the best I can? No.
Do I still feel beautiful when I look in the mirror- you're damn right I do.
And it only gives me more motivation to get to my healthiest weight and achieve better fitness goals.
If you remove a persons sense of worth you are removing any motivation they could ever have to be better and feel better.
I say KUDOS to any campaign promoting self love and anti-discrimination.
.....
Now on a side note- I hate Adele's morals.
She's an idiot who promotes unhealthy eating and smoking world-wide.
Disgusting.
/endrant
I see your point in this and i do agree that people need to be able to look forward to something to lose weight, but embracing this very P.C. world that we live in is not good for anyone. The kid on the playground used to be "fat" and you know what? no one wanted to be that kid. No one wanted to be that adult. While i agree there is a line that we need to draw where people should respect themselves it should never be drawn at a point where people think "you know what its fine to be this heavy." People need to know that nothing is ever good enough. You hit a weight goal, now build muscle. You built muscle now train dynamic sports you finish that now improve your stretching and lower your risk of injury. Build lung capacity, improve your blood sugar or VO2 max. We need to stop being so complacent.
I agree! Completely.
You're officially back on the Christmas card list. ;-)
lol
I can't wait until my weightloss journey turns into my body-sculpting through lifting & fitness journey. :P0 -
exactly and another point......for a woman 20% is statistically considered unhealthy. they should be at 21%I am so tired of women throwing around terms like big boned and curvy to justify their own laziness. People aren't supposed to weigh this much. It doesn't matter what this whole big girls are beautiful campaign is telling you. If you are overweight you are doing something wrong. Thats why we are on this site; to correct the poor behavior and choices we have been making. Everyones goal should always be to be as healthy as their body will allow them. Some people may have larger frames but does this excuse the 20%+ bodyfat on them? NO it doesnt. Its not natural, its not beautiful, and its not ok to teach our children this.
This is exactly the kind of BS that makes me angry. Actually there is a body of evidence that shows a physically fit overweight person is at lower risk than an unfit person of normal weight. Fitness is an indicator of health, not weight. I am over 20% body-fat, I also work a full-time job, train about 12hrs a week and eat healthy foods. I have not, for the past 12 months or so, eaten at a calorie deficit, hence my being here to lose bodyfat. I am happy to admit that I am fat and I am happy to admit that I can lose weight if I eat a calorie deficit. However I am not lazy and I am not unhealthy.... the same goes for a great many people on this site.
Who told you this rubbish? women should not be at 21%. Women can be healthy up to 12% bodyfat. 21% is just the highest that doctors and nutritionist have determind that a women can be and not dramatically increase health risk.
right right so my friend at 110 lbs 25% body fat is morbidly obese........ some ppl have some ****ed up morals on this site. suppose to be about motivation and ****.....but no the way ppl talk on these boards if u have even 1% body fat then ur morbidly obese..........whatever........go do ur own ****..i'll do mine.........i know what i'm doing now...........and no matter how tine i get or how much weight i lose i will ALWAYS ALWAYS be full figured and curvy.......those does not mean somebody is fat........granted some ppl have extremely big curves go more out than in......... but not everybody that is full figured and curvy is actually fat.........0 -
Adele is over weight but she looks gorg and is an amazing singer, is a very confident person and if she is happy with her weight and its causing no health problem live and let live 0
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minnie ripperton, whitney houston, chaka khan back in the 70's, mariah carey, etcIf she was a skinny bird, and always had been, she would not have that amazing voice. Don't ask me why bigger women have powerful voices, I can't answer that one. And yes I'm sure there are also exceptions to the rule.
there have been many thin women with powerful voices0 -
Yes, Adele is fat. Fat is not an emotive word, or it shouldn't be, because somebody's weight takes no measure of a person's worth. I thik we shy away from using proper words sometimes and it's to our detriment because those words take on new meanings and bigger parameters than they ever should have.
I admire Adele for choosing to be in the public eye for her music; it's not my kind of music but she's there for her art. Her weight alas is always going to be the barometer of her success - and it shouldn't be. There's something very wrong if we allow the media to label who is and isn't worthy on something as arbitrary as their graviational pull.
I will never buy a 'celeb' magazine or tabloid 'newspaper' again... :noway:0 -
Um...guy who's saying that a woman MUST be under 20% bf to be healthy? You're thinking of MEN.
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/library/blbodyfatcharts.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage
Take your pick of system. Health risk for women starts around 31-36%, not at 20%. In fact, 20% is TOO low according to the WHO system.0 -
exactly and another point......for a woman 20% is statistically considered unhealthy. they should be at 21%I am so tired of women throwing around terms like big boned and curvy to justify their own laziness. People aren't supposed to weigh this much. It doesn't matter what this whole big girls are beautiful campaign is telling you. If you are overweight you are doing something wrong. Thats why we are on this site; to correct the poor behavior and choices we have been making. Everyones goal should always be to be as healthy as their body will allow them. Some people may have larger frames but does this excuse the 20%+ bodyfat on them? NO it doesnt. Its not natural, its not beautiful, and its not ok to teach our children this.
This is exactly the kind of BS that makes me angry. Actually there is a body of evidence that shows a physically fit overweight person is at lower risk than an unfit person of normal weight. Fitness is an indicator of health, not weight. I am over 20% body-fat, I also work a full-time job, train about 12hrs a week and eat healthy foods. I have not, for the past 12 months or so, eaten at a calorie deficit, hence my being here to lose bodyfat. I am happy to admit that I am fat and I am happy to admit that I can lose weight if I eat a calorie deficit. However I am not lazy and I am not unhealthy.... the same goes for a great many people on this site.
Who told you this rubbish? women should not be at 21%. Women can be healthy up to 12% bodyfat. 21% is just the highest that doctors and nutritionist have determind that a women can be and not dramatically increase health risk.
right right so my friend at 110 lbs 25% body fat is morbidly obese........ some ppl have some ****ed up morals on this site. suppose to be about motivation and ****.....but no the way ppl talk on these boards if u have even 1% body fat then ur morbidly obese..........whatever........go do ur own ****..i'll do mine.........i know what i'm doing now...........and no matter how tine i get or how much weight i lose i will ALWAYS ALWAYS be full figured and curvy.......those does not mean somebody is fat........granted some ppl have extremely big curves go more out than in......... but not everybody that is full figured and curvy is actually fat.........
Yes, she would be overweight and even working towards obese if she is 25% bodyfat. Paying attention to the weight on the scale is a horrible mistake to make. You think oh she's only 110 lbs so shes fine but bodyfat% is the only accurate way to measure how fine they really are. You may think this is your path but it isn't for us americans out there overweight people make up a larger and larger % of people needing medical treatment and care as they age and are costing tax payers billions of dollars. So this is one team on fight and you are not helping. You should not be spreading information such as 21% is what you are supposed to be. This is wrong and damaging to others health and wallets.0 -
To me, fat is someone who is outside a healthy BMI range and waistline range. So yes she is fat and needs to lose weight. If you truly love and respect yourself you treat yourself with respect, so I think underneath it all she still has self love and confidence issues.0
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Um...guy who's saying that a woman MUST be under 20% bf to be healthy? You're thinking of MEN.
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/library/blbodyfatcharts.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage
Take your pick of system. Health risk for women starts around 31-36%, not at 20%. In fact, 20% is TOO low according to the WHO system.
20% is not too low. These systems are updated every few years and the numbers continue to increase. In 1960 the average american woman was around 20%. The cancer rates, and what they refer to as preventable disease numbers (diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease) were much lower, as well as birth defects. As we keep adjusting for this fat and lazy generation we are dooming us all.
Also human health and nutrition class 101: a womens bodily functions are not at any risk or degraded performance until dropping below 12% bodyfat. At 12% body fat women will have difficulties with hormonal balance as well as ovulation and conception. at 18% women have decreased likelihood of degredation of bone structure (osteoporisis) as well as decreased risk of complications during pregnancy.0 -
"minnie ripperton, whitney houston, chaka khan back in the 70's, mariah carey, etc
there have been many thin women with powerful voices ".
No, these are women with warbly soprano voices, enhanced by technology. Not women who can open their mouth and produce a sound that can be heard in a crowded pub with no microphone. That's a powerful voice. I've seen Adele live.0 -
Hola!
Here's my bit of bumph.....
I'm not too sure how much weight she has lost in the past year but she is fat/overweight. I'm not saying this to be mean, it's a fact.....like there are underweight people in the world too. Of course, it depends on what your definition of fat is. Is it "soft" looking people or, those who are above the BMI recommendations? As much as I hate to admit it, I am in the same category however it's "work in progress" and it looks like she is too.
From the look of her changing body and lifestyle the past few months/year, it looks like she's making healthier changes which is great. She's a bonny lass, great voice and is very down to earth and seems to be well liked. She's started exercising and gave up booze to help her throat so good on her!
The grey area is how much of a true reflexion the BMI chart really is by today's society, looking at the weights of people however, I would say any excess weight we have, is going to affect your health....organs, joints, emotionally and probably self esteem issues too.
It's so easy pontificating and giving our pennies worth but at the end of the day, we are all in charge of our choices and the responsibility has to fall down to us, and us only.....whether than being underweight, the "ideal" weight or overweight/obese.0 -
Um...guy who's saying that a woman MUST be under 20% bf to be healthy? You're thinking of MEN.
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/library/blbodyfatcharts.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage
Take your pick of system. Health risk for women starts around 31-36%, not at 20%. In fact, 20% is TOO low according to the WHO system.
20% is not too low. These systems are updated every few years and the numbers continue to increase. In 1960 the average american woman was around 20%. The cancer rates, and what they refer to as preventable disease numbers (diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease) were much lower, as well as birth defects. As we keep adjusting for this fat and lazy generation we are dooming us all.
As you haven't cited any source for your information, I can't debate with you in a productive manner.
However, I'd just like to add that on-season average for female athletes is 14-20%. (Less for competitive body builders) Athletes are not average people, and there is still no health risk in having a body fat % of 21% or even of 26%.
But on another note, this thread is really starting to sound like a pro-eating disorder thread - Someone who is very slightly overweight being called obese, being disgusted by a 21%bf? Obsessing over OTHER people's weights? Yeah...That's healthy.0 -
Oh, also, conspiracy theories about others trying to "make" you fat, therefore dooming you. That's also really healthy.0
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As you haven't cited any source for your information, I can't debate with you in a productive manner.
However, I'd just like to add that on-season average for female athletes is 14-20%. (Less for competitive body builders) Athletes are not average people, and there is still no health risk in having a body fat % of 21% or even of 26%.
But on another note, this thread is really starting to sound like a pro-eating disorder thread - Someone who is very slightly overweight being called obese, being disgusted by a 21%bf? Obsessing over OTHER people's weights? Yeah...That's healthy.
amen....0 -
Oh my...I should thank Umeboshi...she and her boyfriend/girlfriend/whatever actually helped me sidestep this mess.
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