So sad with what I saw today I wanted to cry
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Thanksyou could reread this statement to yourself
I actually didn't call anyone an "idiot"... Name-calling is silly. We can agree to disagree, but we can also have an argument on the internet without being "idiots". The OP decided to use her "I'm so sad for fat people" post to talk about her low calorie diet, so why is anyone surprised that people took notice?
Didn't say you did, but clearly you think OP is because she doesn't agree with you. You seem to me, to be a very vicious person. I don't like vicious people who hide behind a monitor to say backhanded comments just to boost their own self confidence.
To OP and all the others here actually trying to be *supportive* I applaud you and respect you0 -
I have never had that much extra weight on my body,I have lost 45 lbs, but when I see someone struggling with extra weight like that my heart breaks for them,I feel so helpless, I know they're suffering & I have no way to help them & I know some people are mean to them on top of everything else they're struggling with.0
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that's just a ridiculous comparison and I think you might just be arguing for arguments sake if you seriously responded to me with that... and to answer with an equally ridiculous answer yea if someone wants to be a tweak to lose weight is it any of your business, no. I'm pretty sure you don't walk up to the obviously high prostitutes on the street and tell them what they are doing is unhealthy. And do you know why, because it's their life and choice to make not yours.
back to my original point - do what works for you and stop discouraging people from doing what works for them just because you have a different point of view :drinker:
i said it wasnt the same thing. my point was that people are trying to be helpful and point out unhealthy behavior. shame on you for trying to make it seem like its ok.
and who is talking about prostitutes?
haha just showing you how crazy your post sounded to me!
crazy? im not the one defending 500,600, 700 cal diets.0 -
Let's all go out for some sea weed wrapped tofu dipped in celery juice.....:flowerforyou:Romans and Lovely
I love you guys :happy: You guys seriously rock
Everyone who agrees with me rocks, and anyone who doesn't is an idiot who will believe whatever they want to believe
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CaCa, nasty stuff there
and I thought you were done a long time ago?0 -
:grumble: I seriously don't understand if you are on MFP, using MFP, and then get on MFP Forums to argue against basically MFP. It makes me scratch my head. You are using a system that sets you at a deficiet and then tells you to eat back your exercise calories but then you get on forums to argue about the very system you are using. :huh:
Clearly it's not being used properly.
My fear with calorie totals like that, is an eating disorder. And I think the people who are displaying concern have no ulterior motive, it's just concern for one who is starving their body.
Furthermore in my opinon those who try and justify such a drastically low diet, are probably doing the same damage to their body.
To each their own. But there are many including myself comfortable with saying "that's not really healthy or ok"0 -
:grumble: I seriously don't understand if you are on MFP, using MFP, and then get on MFP Forums to argue against basically MFP. It makes me scratch my head. You are using a system that sets you at a deficiet and then tells you to eat back your exercise calories but then you get on forums to argue about the very system you are using. :huh:
Myfitnesspal is a website with a variety of nutritional and fitness oriented tools to help people achieve their goals. There is an app for people to use on their phones, trackers for macros, calories consumed and burned. There are forums for support and debate. There is a community to help people succeed and keep coming back to the site.
You don't have to use all the features to benefit or improve health, and be more fit. And you don't have to do everything exactly the same way as someone else. Its not overeaters anonymous where there is very little room for individuality in choices.0 -
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I love you guys :happy: You guys seriously rock
Everyone who agrees with me rocks, and anyone who doesn't is an idiot who will believe whatever they want to believe
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that's just a ridiculous comparison and I think you might just be arguing for arguments sake if you seriously responded to me with that... and to answer with an equally ridiculous answer yea if someone wants to be a tweak to lose weight is it any of your business, no. I'm pretty sure you don't walk up to the obviously high prostitutes on the street and tell them what they are doing is unhealthy. And do you know why, because it's their life and choice to make not yours.
back to my original point - do what works for you and stop discouraging people from doing what works for them just because you have a different point of view :drinker:
i said it wasnt the same thing. my point was that people are trying to be helpful and point out unhealthy behavior. shame on you for trying to make it seem like its ok.
and who is talking about prostitutes?
haha just showing you how crazy your post sounded to me!
crazy? im not the one defending 500,600, 700 cal diets.
I'm not defending them either, I'm defending mine. I tell people you should not do what I'm doing. But doesn't mean I can't support a friend who is doing her own thing. We all do what we do for us, not for you.0 -
Obesity is a thief of life and its fullness.
Anyone making consistent efforts to change and to achieve better health and happiness is doing a great thing for themselves.
^^^This i love this, its so true and exactly how i feel, being morbidly obese myself at one point and the fight I've had to claim my body back!0 -
Welcome to the MFP echo chamber where everything is unicorns, butterflies and rainbows - all the time. Nobody is ever wrong, and we are all winners....:grumble: I seriously don't understand if you are on MFP, using MFP, and then get on MFP Forums to argue against basically MFP. It makes me scratch my head. You are using a system that sets you at a deficiet and then tells you to eat back your exercise calories but then you get on forums to argue about the very system you are using. :huh:
Too bad real life doesn't work like that.0 -
Welcome to the MFP echo chamber where everything is unicorns, butterflies and rainbows - all the time. Nobody is ever wrong, and we are all winners....:grumble: I seriously don't understand if you are on MFP, using MFP, and then get on MFP Forums to argue against basically MFP. It makes me scratch my head. You are using a system that sets you at a deficiet and then tells you to eat back your exercise calories but then you get on forums to argue about the very system you are using. :huh:
Too bad real life doesn't work like that.
It does when you're doing it right.
Oh look, a unicorn!0 -
Honestly, it looks like you are more than heading towards an eating disorder. You are eating 700-900 calories a day. Don't use the existence of fat people to justify starving yourself.0
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I appreciate your post, thank you for writing it. funny thing is? i am that person that you saw walking down the street. I teared (sp?) up with you as you recalled the memory for a few reasons. #1 you cared about another that makes you a wonderful person in my book. #2 you felt her struggle, her pain as you recognized that you had once ‘been there.’ #3 you have taken hold of the courage that lies deep within, harnessed it and began a journey to better health. #4 you are doing it for you! you’re not doing it for a friend, family member, spouse but for YOU. I love that!
It takes courage and strength to change a destructive path/behavior and begin. Some will never know the literal pain that some of us go through by doing so.
I love one of the other responses to the post (I think it was Romans624), where she said, “Anyone making consistent efforts to change and to achieve better health and happiness is doing a great thing for themselves”
We cannot judge others, we simply can’t. We don’t know what is happening or has happened in another’s life to warrant such a lifestyle. I am thankful that you have a tender heart and did not judge this woman but instead ‘felt for her’ and saw where you are now in your own life to help you be free from such chains that truly bind.
It is my plan to win as well. I have a long, long ways to go but I am making ‘. . . constant efforts to change and achieve better health and happiness . . .’ in my own life.
Happy Monday!!0 -
Mind your own and you've judged me without knowing that I know I can't eat this way for the rest of my life. You judge me without knowing that I've gone from 500 calories a day up to between 600 and 800 and even higher at times. But it's people like you that make me want to keep it that low just to see your head spin with the horror of it all.
I wasn't judging you then. But I have judged you now. I judge you the kind of person who really easily feels judged. :drinker:0 -
Welcome to the MFP echo chamber where everything is unicorns, butterflies and rainbows - all the time. Nobody is ever wrong, and we are all winners....:grumble: I seriously don't understand if you are on MFP, using MFP, and then get on MFP Forums to argue against basically MFP. It makes me scratch my head. You are using a system that sets you at a deficiet and then tells you to eat back your exercise calories but then you get on forums to argue about the very system you are using. :huh:
Too bad real life doesn't work like that.
It does when you're doing it right.
Oh look, a unicorn!
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after reading everything written in these comments my only question has become how people are getting angry at the people trying to share information on how a LOW LOW calorie diet is harmful while making comments about how changing your life and becoming healthier is such a beautiful thing. Eating like that isn't going to make anyone healthier. You are trading in a fat unhealthy for a less fat unhealthy. If you are here to get healthier than expect people to talk to you about ACTUALLY getting healthier. That is all.
Edit: Sorry that was't all. I forgot the bacon!0 -
:grumble: I seriously don't understand if you are on MFP, using MFP, and then get on MFP Forums to argue against basically MFP. It makes me scratch my head. You are using a system that sets you at a deficiet and then tells you to eat back your exercise calories but then you get on forums to argue about the very system you are using. :huh:
Clearly it's not being used properly.
My fear with calorie totals like that, is an eating disorder. And I think the people who are displaying concern have no ulterior motive, it's just concern for one who is starving their body.
Furthermore in my opinon those who try and justify such a drastically low diet, are probably doing the same damage to their body.
To each their own. But there are many including myself comfortable with saying "that's not really healthy or ok"
For the hundreth time, I DO NOT NOW NOR WLL I EVER HAVE AN ED. I don't want to be 80 lbs. I don't want even to be skinny, just smaller, and omg dare I say healthier. I will get there, at my rate with my own decisions. I have to do it my way.0 -
after reading everything written in these comments my only question has become how people are getting angry at the people trying to share information on how a LOW LOW calorie diet is harmful while making comments about how changing your life and becoming healthier is such a beautiful thing. Eating like that isn't going to make anyone healthier. You are trading in a fat unhealthy for a less fat unhealthy. If you are here to get healthier than expect people to talk to you about ACTUALLY getting healthier. That is all.
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I was picking my son up from summer school today and I saw this woman walking (yea for her, right?). She had to be 400 lbs or better and you could see she was struggling with walking. She had that gait that you know is her struggling to walk, I know cause I've been there. I wanted to cry for her, for me, for everyone who's been there or is there now. I am so excited for where I am right now. There are so many out there saying your eating to low , your going to fail, you can't live on that, your heading toward an eating disorder...I say to you, I am fine, I have goal and I will reach it, in spite of you, but maybe just maybe because of you. I never want to go back to that person struggling to lose weight, struggling to walk down the street.
You don't have to go from one extreme to another.0 -
Really proud of you tmauck!!! Your loss is phenomenal!! Keep up the good work :flowerforyou:0
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Didn't say you did, but clearly you think OP is because she doesn't agree with you. You seem to me, to be a very vicious person. I don't like vicious people who hide behind a monitor to say backhanded comments just to boost their own self confidence.
I think her weight loss plan is unhealthy. I don't think she's an idiot. It may be "clear" to you that I "think OP is because she doesn't agree", but I've personally struggled with anorexia/bulimia for years, and while my eating has had some very unhealthy aspects to it, I don't think of myself as an "idiot" for it. Nor do I think the OP is an "idiot". So if you want to put words like "idiot" in my mouth because it's so clear to you that I'm thinking it, perhaps you could change your perspective and try to understand that I'm speaking as a person who once had a diary that looked exactly like the OP's, who is now trying to repair a ruined metabolism, and not exactly thrilled with the idea of defending VLCD. I have no intention to call her names or to insult her intelligence. A person can be wrong without being stupid.
The OP admits that she has opened her diary in order to instigate arguments because she wants to defend her VLCD. She doesn't need you defending her.0 -
after reading everything written in these comments my only question has become how people are getting angry at the people trying to share information on how a LOW LOW calorie diet is harmful while making comments about how changing your life and becoming healthier is such a beautiful thing. Eating like that isn't going to make anyone healthier. You are trading in a fat unhealthy for a less fat unhealthy. If you are here to get healthier than expect people to talk to you about ACTUALLY getting healthier. That is all.
Edit: Sorry that was't all. I forgot the bacon!
Doctors (like bariatric surgery ones) prescribe 800 calorie diets. Its okay for morbidly obese people, certain considerations taken, until they reach a more reasonable weight. And you better not forget the bacon!0 -
hmm, low cal diet or all of the health related problems of being obese?0
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For the hundreth time, I DO NOT NOW NOR WLL I EVER HAVE AN ED. I don't want to be 80 lbs. I don't want even to be skinny, just smaller, and omg dare I say healthier. I will get there, at my rate with my own decisions. I have to do it my way.
anyone at any weight can have an eating disorder.0 -
I feel the same way. It saddens me when I see someone like that. I feel badly for them. I want to help them & reach out to them.. Thank you for sharing......0
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I repeat...
1) 1200 calories is the recommended number because it is difficult to get all the nutrients you need to be healthy on a lower calorie diet but 1200 isn't a magical number. Someone who is under 5'5 could get away with around 1000 calories and still be very healthy.
2) People who are obese can get away with fewer calories. It would not be sustainable once they reached a healthier BMI but until that point the percentage of muscle loss is minimal.
3) Eating carbs helps your body stay away from using muscle as an energy resource.
4) In order for your body to go into starvation mode you'd have to eat few calories for a long period of time. Eating 700 one day and 1700 other days will do you no harm. In fact it's recommended for those who are obese. It generally takes at least six weeks of a very strict diet to see a loss of lean body mass. This means eating fewer than the recommending amount for your body every day for six straight weeks. I have yet to see anyone keep this up, especially around the holidays.
5) As you lose weight your metabolism slows down, period. This is why a 300 pound person can burn 200 calories with 30 minutes of exercise while the thinner person has to work twice as hard for twice as long.0 -
For the hundreth time, I DO NOT NOW NOR WLL I EVER HAVE AN ED. I don't want to be 80 lbs. I don't want even to be skinny, just smaller, and omg dare I say healthier. I will get there, at my rate with my own decisions. I have to do it my way.
anyone at any weight can have an eating disorder.
^^^This.
PS......Best profile photo in the history of ever0 -
hmm, low cal diet or all of the health related problems of being obese?
i was unaware that there are only 2 options.0 -
Doctors (like bariatric surgery ones) prescribe 800 calorie diets. Its okay for morbidly obese people, certain considerations taken, until they reach a more reasonable weight. And you better not forget the bacon!
Absolutely it's okay. Short term and under medical supervision. Is she doing it short term or under medical supervision?0 -
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