So sad with what I saw today I wanted to cry

TadaGanIarracht

Just wanted to make that clear in case there were any misunderstandings.

Romans624

Doctors (like bariatric surgery ones) prescribe 800 calorie diets. Its okay for morbidly obese people, certain considerations taken, until they reach a more reasonable weight. And you better not forget the bacon!

Absolutely it's okay. Short term and under medical supervision. Is she doing it short term or under medical supervision?

I don't know what she is doing. I just know that this means that this method is not necessarily a problem.... for the short term. And medical supervision, I don'tknow. If you are eating all healthy food and never hungry, and are morbidly obese.... why do you have to go see a doc?

AquaFitQueen

It looks like we have a new member at our gym, she's really really large.. but bless her heart, I've seen her two days last week, and she was on the treadmill for a good 30 minutes. Was she walking fast? no. But she was walking. She got off of that, and moved on to the Arc.. which is not an easy piece of equipment to use.. it took me a few months to get accustomed it. She got on it, and she didnt move fast, but she MOVED. I wanted to hug her and tell her way to go, but I never know if that's something that might offend or hurt someone's feelings.

It wouldnt. If I saw someone trying to do something and they were struggling but still going I would go and give them a hug. I am fairly sure very few people would take offence.

They need to know someone has noticed they are trying and is glad for them.

Imagine the lift it would give you if someone came up and was genuinely pleased for you, the encouragement you'd get if a stranger just said hey, I know what you are going through and I am proud of you.

THIS! I AM that woman, well actually bigger. I workout in the pool and I workout hard. I have had three different people at different times give me encouraging words. It is seriously a boost because as a large person you KNOW everyone is looking at you if not staring at you so it is nice to be reminded not everyone is ripping you to shreds mentally for daring to be in public.

cubizzle

Just wanted to make that clear in case there were any misunderstandings.

If this sign was on the paths where I run I'd be F'D!

tmauck4472

after reading everything written in these comments my only question has become how people are getting angry at the people trying to share information on how a LOW LOW calorie diet is harmful while making comments about how changing your life and becoming healthier is such a beautiful thing. Eating like that isn't going to make anyone healthier. You are trading in a fat unhealthy for a less fat unhealthy. If you are here to get healthier than expect people to talk to you about ACTUALLY getting healthier. That is all.


Edit: Sorry that was't all. I forgot the bacon!

Harmful to you if you are in normal ranges, not harmful to me being morbidly obese. When I start getting close to something normal I will change it. They are NOT sharing on how it's bad for us but more like trying to cram it down our throats, like we dont' have our own thoughts on the issue

TadaGanIarracht

Just wanted to make that clear in case there were any misunderstandings.

If this sign was on the paths where I run I'd be F'D!

I envy your ability to just whip it out and go as you please without having to squat and wipe.

muchadoaboutme2000

Don't be sad for her! She has taken the first and (hopefully not last) step towards a better life. I was her and still am in some aspects. The other day I attempted jogging for the first time and as an extremely fit man blew past me, he stopped, took out his headphones and said "You're kicking *kitten* girl!" and kept going. I may have been "joggling" at the pace of a snail, but my body was in motion and that is not an easy task. That big person in the gym had more of a battle with their fear of the gym than they did with the treadmill itself. It takes a lot to be out in public, let alone making yourself vulnerable in an environment like that. Now....off to the gym I go. Gotta shake my butt (and all the other jiggly bits) in Zumba!

AquaFitQueen

Tis true, but in those 800-1000 calories, as a bariatric patient, you need more than 80grams of protein.

tmauck4472

Honestly, it looks like you are more than heading towards an eating disorder. You are eating 700-900 calories a day. Don't use the existence of fat people to justify starving yourself.

NOT even close to one, but thanks

Heather_Rider

Starting and staying motivated the first few weeks was the hardest for me. Summer school is a month or so, right? How about stopping tomorrow and asking her if she would like someone to walk with? Maybe you can walk, and talk, and share your story with her, take a pic of yourself where you used to be.. show her it can happen! I bet she would love the support and a friend!

Good for her!

Romans624

Tis true, but in those 800-1000 calories, as a bariatric patient, you need more than 80grams of protein.

I am curious about 80? Is that regardless of their size, or does it vary with how heavy they are?

cubizzle

Just wanted to make that clear in case there were any misunderstandings.

If this sign was on the paths where I run I'd be F'D!

I envy your ability to just whip it out and go as you please without having to squat and wipe.

wiping's overrated

amersmanders

after reading everything written in these comments my only question has become how people are getting angry at the people trying to share information on how a LOW LOW calorie diet is harmful while making comments about how changing your life and becoming healthier is such a beautiful thing. Eating like that isn't going to make anyone healthier. You are trading in a fat unhealthy for a less fat unhealthy. If you are here to get healthier than expect people to talk to you about ACTUALLY getting healthier. That is all.


Edit: Sorry that was't all. I forgot the bacon!

Thanks for saying it!!!

tmauck4472

I appreciate your post, thank you for writing it. funny thing is? i am that person that you saw walking down the street. I teared (sp?) up with you as you recalled the memory for a few reasons. #1 you cared about another that makes you a wonderful person in my book. #2 you felt her struggle, her pain as you recognized that you had once ‘been there.’ #3 you have taken hold of the courage that lies deep within, harnessed it and began a journey to better health. #4 you are doing it for you! you’re not doing it for a friend, family member, spouse but for YOU. I love that!

It takes courage and strength to change a destructive path/behavior and begin. Some will never know the literal pain that some of us go through by doing so.

I love one of the other responses to the post (I think it was Romans624), where she said, “Anyone making consistent efforts to change and to achieve better health and happiness is doing a great thing for themselves”

We cannot judge others, we simply can’t. We don’t know what is happening or has happened in another’s life to warrant such a lifestyle. I am thankful that you have a tender heart and did not judge this woman but instead ‘felt for her’ and saw where you are now in your own life to help you be free from such chains that truly bind.

It is my plan to win as well. I have a long, long ways to go but I am making ‘. . . constant efforts to change and achieve better health and happiness . . .’ in my own life.

Happy Monday!!

OMG you made me cry again. You are right on. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You

AquaFitQueen

Tis true, but in those 800-1000 calories, as a bariatric patient, you need more than 80grams of protein.

I am curious about 80? Is that regardless of their size, or does it vary with how heavy they are?

Nope its a typical requirement. Unless they had the duodenal switch in which case they should be getting 100+grams of protein to make up for malabsorption.

ernestruss

I am proud of you. Just say a prayer. I have been there to. I just weigh 260. And that much weight will make you breath hard and add pain to the joints. :bigsmile:

livinginwoods

Good post. I see some people sometimes bigger than I am, which is 381, and I think that I will never be like them. But the truth is I never EVER thought I would be where I am now either. Glad to see her moving even if for a little bit. Good job on your weight loss too. It may not be traditional but I know how hard it is. I could never eat that little. I love food way to much.

Givingitagdgo

Going to stir the pot here...Id be more concerned if you were rigidly sticking to 700cpd because then I would assume you were deliberately denying yourself calories when your body is saying its hungry. Tbh there are many people not eating exercise calories back which leave them at a greater defecit and we arent saying they are unhealthy, we are applauding their willpower and motivation.
There are shake based diets which are GP supported which have the same low calories. The only risk is the loss of nutrients and I do think people on very low cal diets should have more fruit and veg etc.
just my thoughts-many of the comments on here are lovely. Im large and I often feel ashamed when Im out and about but to think that someone might see me and not feel scorn or digust but something more akin to hope for my future then thats a nice thought.
Good luck everyone however you are doing this. Im doing what feels right for me Im sure you are all doing what feels right for you.
x

supplemama

Romans and Lovely

I love you guys :happy: You guys seriously rock

Everyone who agrees with me rocks, and anyone who doesn't is an idiot who will believe whatever they want to believe

History of the Internet, Part I

Let's all go out for some sea weed wrapped tofu dipped in celery juice.....:flowerforyou:
Done here.....

Hey! I like seaweed! and tofu

ironanimal

Tis true, but in those 800-1000 calories, as a bariatric patient, you need more than 80grams of protein.

I am curious about 80? Is that regardless of their size, or does it vary with how heavy they are?

Probably a precautionary number to try to prevent extreme catabolism.

Captain_Tightpants

I don't know what she is doing. I just know that this means that this method is not necessarily a problem.... for the short term. And medical supervision, I don'tknow. If you are eating all healthy food and never hungry, and are morbidly obese.... why do you have to go see a doc?

Because it doesn't matter how you feel. A lot can be going on under the surface that only a medical professional can monitor. Unless of course you have a bloodwork lab at home to run lipid profiles and to see if your thyroid is being damaged by your VLCD.

Romans624

Tis true, but in those 800-1000 calories, as a bariatric patient, you need more than 80grams of protein.

I am curious about 80? Is that regardless of their size, or does it vary with how heavy they are?

Nope its a typical requirement. Unless they had the duodenal switch in which case they should be getting 100+grams of protein to make up for malabsorption.

Interesting. Thanks for mentioning.

tmauck4472

Starting and staying motivated the first few weeks was the hardest for me. Summer school is a month or so, right? How about stopping tomorrow and asking her if she would like someone to walk with? Maybe you can walk, and talk, and share your story with her, take a pic of yourself where you used to be.. show her it can happen! I bet she would love the support and a friend!

Good for her!

I can do that, but you know what I had going thru my head? OH honey you picked a horrible time to walk thru this parking lot. A million teenagers who don't care that your trying to find the healthy you will come barreling out of that school any minute now and I know what they are going to shout out to you and my heart will break if they tear you down. Hell I was called a whale, and I know how it feels.

cubizzle

Tis true, but in those 800-1000 calories, as a bariatric patient, you need more than 80grams of protein.

I am curious about 80? Is that regardless of their size, or does it vary with how heavy they are?

Probably a precautionary number to try to prevent extreme catabolism.

and as we all know canabalism is only ok in Miami

cubizzle

and it's dead! SUCCESSSSSS

Romans624

I don't know what she is doing. I just know that this means that this method is not necessarily a problem.... for the short term. And medical supervision, I don'tknow. If you are eating all healthy food and never hungry, and are morbidly obese.... why do you have to go see a doc?

Because it doesn't matter how you feel. A lot can be going on under the surface that only a medical professional can monitor. Unless of course you have a bloodwork lab at home to run lipid profiles and to see if your thyroid is being damaged by your VLCD.

That is something I have not heard of. I haven't heard of calorie deficit, big or small affecting the thyroid. I will read up on that thanks for mentioning it

One thing I did read (from Jillian Michaels anyway) is that processed foods and pesticides can mess up the thyroid by being hormone disrupters. So much info out there!

Romans624

Tis true, but in those 800-1000 calories, as a bariatric patient, you need more than 80grams of protein.

I am curious about 80? Is that regardless of their size, or does it vary with how heavy they are?

Probably a precautionary number to try to prevent extreme catabolism.

and as we all know canabalism is only ok in Miami

LOL

hillary_jean

I was out w/ my nieces one day and we saw a guy who had to be at least 300 lbs (probably heavier). Being teens, they started to make fun of him. I was more than happy to point out to them (and see the looks on their faces) that yes, he was heavy. But it was July, and almost 100º out, and he was on a BIKE, riding hills. He was going slow, and had to stop for water a lot, and you could see what the effort was costing him. Instead of making fun of him for being sweaty and overweight, how about saying how AWESOME it is that he's out there trying to make a change for the better?? Then I pointed out that I'm heavier than I'd like to be, and their mom (my sis) has to watch her weight very carefully - they have obesity on both sides of their gene pool, so they may want to be a little more compassionate.

tmauck4472

Mind your own and you've judged me without knowing that I know I can't eat this way for the rest of my life. You judge me without knowing that I've gone from 500 calories a day up to between 600 and 800 and even higher at times. But it's people like you that make me want to keep it that low just to see your head spin with the horror of it all.

I wasn't judging you then. But I have judged you now. I judge you the kind of person who really easily feels judged. :drinker:

You were judging my choices of calorie intake without knowing why? Did you bother to ask me why I'm eating the way I eat.

ShareeMorty

You know I had a feeling you were going to say that. You sound very determined, I'll give you that. And I agree that what you eat or don't eat is none of anyone's business. What's happening here I think is that people are showing concern for you because the amount you eat sounds low. Another person who posted said that its between you and your doctor. She's absolutely correct. However, when you put yourself out there, people care and will respond with honesty.

Trust me most of these people who answered negatively about the amount of calorie the OP consumed are not concerned about her. They have other motives. Most of them belong to the "eat more wt. less" group. They think what they are doing is better and that they know it all. they are like the scientology group.

Well I don't belong to that group myself. As someone who has studied the human body on a pathophysiological level, it does concern me that someone is eating so little while also burning calories through exercise. Technically they are starving their bodies of the vital nutrients that it needs to reproduce on a cellular level, if your cells don't get the nutrition they need to reproduce properly things start going wrong in your body and it can actually make you very sick in the long run. I would imagine there is no doctor who would agree to such a low calorie intake even if the person weighed 800lbs and was stuck in bed.

I know that these ladies are perfectly happy with their way of doing this lifestyle change and I applaud them for changing their lives. As a fellow human being who cares about other people whether I know them or not. I feel concerned about the negative ramifications of their calorie intake on their bodies in the long term - they may feel fine now, but who knows what it is really doing inside them.

As for the woman OP saw walking down the street, I used to be her. I couldn't walk to the end of my drive without having to stop for a rest. I know what it is like to have my knees and hips in agony because of the weight load my joints were having to hold up. I feel sad for people I see struggling to move out there. But I know how hard it can be to make the change, to believe there is an alternative healthy you to be acheived. It has taken me 6 years from the time I started to make a change to actually making the change work for me on a daily basis.

I don't think people are slating these ladies just to be mean or jumping on a bandwagon - I think anyone who is on this journey to health and fitness would be concerned if someone was doing something that may actually negate that.