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  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    Indeed, this thread bucks the trend of all the MFP stoopid.

    By the way, side question here. When crisanderson27 burns calories from exercise, should I drink those calories back in the form of beer?

    Dood, only if I don't get to them first!
  • Nataliaho
    Nataliaho Posts: 878 Member
    I did romanian DLs for the first time on Tuesday and my hammies/glutes are smashed... I don't know why I haven't been doing them all along, I am really quad dominant so they're awesome for me!

    Good for you! It's common that people are quad dominant. Look at our exercise selection for legs that are the obvious exercises to do. Squats (any variation), Conventional Deadlifts, DB Squats, Lunges (DB or BB), Plyometric jumps, Leg Press, Leg Extensions, Leg Curls, and Calf Raises (I'm sure I'm missing something). All but two of those are quad dominant movements. That's not to say the posterior chain isn't involved but the main muscle to engage are the quadriceps. Now you look at some of the less obvious exercises, or at least those forgotten about or even taboo, for the lower back and you have Good Mornings, RDL's, Back Hyperextensions, Reverse Hyperextensions, Pull-Through's, Glute-Ham Raises, Glute Bridges and you have some exercises that seriously hit your lower back and hammies. Unfortunately Glute Ham Raises pretty much require a specialized bench that most gyms don't have. But most gyms have 10 calf raise machines...

    Add my olympic lifting to the list, as that's where the majority of my quad dominance comes from.

    For sure, especially if you're doing a full snatch or clean from the floor.

    Well it wouldn't be olympic if it wasn't :laugh:
  • Nataliaho
    Nataliaho Posts: 878 Member
    Indeed, this thread bucks the trend of all the MFP stoopid.

    By the way, side question here. When crisanderson27 burns calories from exercise, should I drink those calories back in the form of beer?

    Dood, only if I don't get to them first!

    GROSS!
  • ChrisGoldn
    ChrisGoldn Posts: 473 Member
    Sorry if this was already addressed, I didn't want to read 11 pages to check ;)

    I just started training my husband on Stronglifts, do most of you guys only do 1 set of DL's? I usually do more than one set myself but I'm using the New Rules for myself right now...

    I do 5x5 DL's (working sets) I have my own modified Stronglifts but generally follow the weight increase increments with deload when i plateau as stated.

    But Because Stronglifts 5x5 is squat heavy thats the main reason they only have you 1 DL (working set)
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    Indeed, this thread bucks the trend of all the MFP stoopid.

    By the way, side question here. When crisanderson27 burns calories from exercise, should I drink those calories back in the form of beer?

    Dood, only if I don't get to them first!

    GROSS!

    You don't like beer lol?
  • sjohnny
    sjohnny Posts: 56,142 Member
    Sorry if this was already addressed, I didn't want to read 11 pages to check ;)

    I just started training my husband on Stronglifts, do most of you guys only do 1 set of DL's? I usually do more than one set myself but I'm using the New Rules for myself right now...

    I'm doing Stronglifts right now (but I bumped down my squats to 3x5 because I run as well - in fact I skipped squats yesterday because my legs aren't getting any recovery time) and I do 1 "working set" of DL but I do more warm-up sets with them than I do with the other lifts.
  • sjohnny
    sjohnny Posts: 56,142 Member
    Indeed, this thread bucks the trend of all the MFP stoopid.

    By the way, side question here. When crisanderson27 burns calories from exercise, should I drink those calories back in the form of beer?

    Dood, only if I don't get to them first!

    GROSS!

    You don't like beer lol?

    I try to drink back others' exercise calories in beer any time the opportunity presents. I think that's what empty calories means.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    Well it wouldn't be olympic if it wasn't :laugh:

    Word! :wink:

    It's funny because I actually worry about my back when doing a Clean from the floor but I have no worries about loading up a bar and deadlifting. I don't know what my mental block is about it either. I've never hurt myself doing cleans but I have doing DL's. Oh well... LOL
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Sorry if this was already addressed, I didn't want to read 11 pages to check ;)

    I just started training my husband on Stronglifts, do most of you guys only do 1 set of DL's? I usually do more than one set myself but I'm using the New Rules for myself right now...

    I do a warm up progression of 50% 1RM, 75% 1RM then a work set at 90% 1RM.
  • marcharing
    marcharing Posts: 14
    I do up to 8 reps of 145Kgs which I think is around 320Ibs and then a couple more sets of 130Kgs. Not too bad for a 52 year old I guess. It's a great excercise which I do once a week as part of my weekly routine but always with a day of rest before and after. I'm good at my gym but the likes of Martin Berkhan who is a light weight can be seen doing 600Ibs on youtube. Scary.
  • Nataliaho
    Nataliaho Posts: 878 Member
    Indeed, this thread bucks the trend of all the MFP stoopid.

    By the way, side question here. When crisanderson27 burns calories from exercise, should I drink those calories back in the form of beer?

    Dood, only if I don't get to them first!

    GROSS!

    You don't like beer lol?

    I love beer... but I can't imagine a practical way that you can drink someone else's spent cals without it being gross... clearly I am far too literal..... I will leave you with imagery!
  • Nataliaho
    Nataliaho Posts: 878 Member
    Well it wouldn't be olympic if it wasn't :laugh:

    Word! :wink:

    It's funny because I actually worry about my back when doing a Clean from the floor but I have no worries about loading up a bar and deadlifting. I don't know what my mental block is about it either. I've never hurt myself doing cleans but I have doing DL's. Oh well... LOL

    Cleans are tough, snatches are tougher! My biggest problem with cleans from the ground is that my brain finds it hard to transition from slow to fast in one movement. So a hang-clean is easy because its just the fast dynamic part of the clean and a DL is easy because its the slow part from the ground. Put them together into a proper clean and my brain explodes a bit...
  • nz_deevaa
    nz_deevaa Posts: 12,209 Member
    Deadlift freaks, do you have any advice to help me with my grip?

    My left hand is failing at 6 reps of 75kgs (165lbs), my trainer thinks I'm strong enough everywhere else to lift heavier, but my hand is letting me down. I borrowed my trainers straps, but I'd prefer to strengthen my grip rather than rely on the straps -- I feel that my grip won't improve if I'm assisting it with the straps.

    We are doing farmers walks and I'm squeezing a hard ball with my left hand while watching TV to help... any other suggestions?

    I have quite small hands, I'm not sure if that's part of the issue or not.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    Deadlift freaks, do you have any advice to help me with my grip?

    My left hand is failing at 6 reps of 75kgs (165lbs), my trainer thinks I'm strong enough everywhere else to lift heavier, but my hand is letting me down. I borrowed my trainers straps, but I'd prefer to strengthen my grip rather than rely on the straps -- I feel that my grip won't improve if I'm assisting it with the straps.

    We are doing farmers walks and I'm squeezing a hard ball with my left hand while watching TV to help... any other suggestions?

    I have quite small hands, I'm not sure if that's part of the issue or not.

    Ditch the straps, they won't help you increase your strength. There's little reason to go beyond 6 reps on the DL unless you're doing 5/3/1 and really maxing out some reps on the last set.

    - Good that you're doing Farmer's Walks, do as much volume as you can. If the muscles in your forearm aren't burning then you're not done yet. :)
    - Hammer curls, heavy 5 sets of 6 to 8 reps
    - Heavy barbell shrugs with a double-overhand grip can help because you're essentially holding heavy weight at the lock-out point and strengthening your traps is never a bad thing for DL'ing either.
    - Kroc Rows: I can't say much more than just Google it and read the articles.
  • nz_deevaa
    nz_deevaa Posts: 12,209 Member
    Deadlift freaks, do you have any advice to help me with my grip?

    My left hand is failing at 6 reps of 75kgs (165lbs), my trainer thinks I'm strong enough everywhere else to lift heavier, but my hand is letting me down. I borrowed my trainers straps, but I'd prefer to strengthen my grip rather than rely on the straps -- I feel that my grip won't improve if I'm assisting it with the straps.

    We are doing farmers walks and I'm squeezing a hard ball with my left hand while watching TV to help... any other suggestions?

    I have quite small hands, I'm not sure if that's part of the issue or not.

    Ditch the straps, they won't help you increase your strength. There's little reason to go beyond 6 reps on the DL unless you're doing 5/3/1 and really maxing out some reps on the last set.

    - Good that you're doing Farmer's Walks, do as much volume as you can. If the muscles in your forearm aren't burning then you're not done yet. :)
    - Hammer curls, heavy 5 sets of 6 to 8 reps
    - Heavy barbell shrugs with a double-overhand grip can help because you're essentially holding heavy weight at the lock-out point and strengthening your traps is never a bad thing for DL'ing either.
    - Kroc Rows: I can't say much more than just Google it and read the articles.

    Thanks :)

    I already ditched the straps. I only used them once.

    When I asked about doing shrugs (my old trainer no my current one) I was advised that he didn't think it was a good idea because as a female I'd not be happy with the 'look' I'd achieve.... I must admit I didn't really think about it, I just accepted what he was saying. Now that I'm thinking about it, I think he was saying I'd not be happy with my bulky neck. LOL.

    I'm off to google Kroc Rows -- it's deadlift day at the gym tomorrow. :)
  • Bakkasan
    Bakkasan Posts: 1,027 Member
    I'm starting to look into straps, but only AFTER the hands give way. I'm finally in the over 400# club and even with reverse grips its hard to hold on after 6 reps.

    Set of 3 at 315, then three sets of 1 at 405, then back to as many 365 I can finish. Usually 4-8 more.
  • Nataliaho
    Nataliaho Posts: 878 Member
    The grip thing is hard, it just takes time and work to strengthen. Small hand definately makes it harder, but it can be done. My trainer is about 5' tall and has tiny hands and DLs 100kg for reps with a max of 130kg. My other buddy is even smaller and only lifts slightly less. We've all done alot of crossfit with high volume DLs at lower (but still heavy) weights and I think thats what has helped.
  • Katahna
    Katahna Posts: 326 Member
    Reached my next goal the other day, 150kg deadlift =]
  • nz_deevaa
    nz_deevaa Posts: 12,209 Member
    The grip thing is hard, it just takes time and work to strengthen. Small hand definately makes it harder, but it can be done. My trainer is about 5' tall and has tiny hands and DLs 100kg for reps with a max of 130kg. My other buddy is even smaller and only lifts slightly less. We've all done alot of crossfit with high volume DLs at lower (but still heavy) weights and I think thats what has helped.

    My goal is 100kg. But I've only been working heavy since April, so I'm happy with my progress and I think I'll get there, it's just going to be slower from here.
  • robin52077
    robin52077 Posts: 4,383 Member
    New Deadlift PR today...

    125 lbs. More than my bodyweight finally!:bigsmile:
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    New Deadlift PR today...

    125 lbs. More than my bodyweight finally!:bigsmile:

    Awesome!!
  • tobnrn
    tobnrn Posts: 477 Member
    Finally did more than my weight today. 155 x 5 then the remaining 4 sets were 145 x 5. Funny thing as we were loading the weight I was saying I cant wait till I can lift more than me. Didnt think I could.

    Note to self: Dont hit up bath & body prior to lifting. All that lotion really affects grip.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    Finally did more than my weight today. 155 x 5 then the remaining 4 sets were 145 x 5. Funny thing as we were loading the weight I was saying I cant wait till I can lift more than me. Didnt think I could.

    Note to self: Dont hit up bath & body prior to lifting. All that lotion really affects grip.

    Yeah, it does :l.

    Honestly though...you did great. I told you you could do it :).

    The best part though was keeping her from biting the personal trainer working with the guy next to us. This guy was literally watching this kid try to shoot his spine across the gym behind him...and not only was he not saying a word to correct him...he was ENCOURAGING the kid and adding weight. This kid weighed 140lbs soaking wet, and when they got up to 185lbs, Lori dropped her barbell and literally launched herself at the trainer lol. 'DON'T YOU THINK you should be ACTUALLY TEACHING HIM FORM!!! instead of writing notes in your LITTLE FREAKING BOOK!? He's going to BLOW HIS FREAKING SPINE OUT OF HIS BACK!!...and I'm sorry...as a NURSE, his health means a HELL OF A LOT MORE TO ME THAN YOUR PAYCHECK!!!!'

    The dude sputtered for about 3 seconds, then started justifying that the kids form was perfect for the exercise he was doing, which was so bad it only vaguely resembled any sort of deadlift. The kid was literally lifting from the base of his back first, and rolling upwards as the weight came up. His spine was NEVER straight, and he was breathing OUT as he lifted. I was literally wincing every time he pulled a rep.

    Anyhow, it all ended well, the kid lived, the trainer lived (close call there), and we talked to his manager on the way out of the gym.

    Good stuff.
  • robin52077
    robin52077 Posts: 4,383 Member
    Finally did more than my weight today. 155 x 5 then the remaining 4 sets were 145 x 5. Funny thing as we were loading the weight I was saying I cant wait till I can lift more than me. Didnt think I could.

    Note to self: Dont hit up bath & body prior to lifting. All that lotion really affects grip.

    Yeah, it does :l.

    Honestly though...you did great. I told you you could do it :).

    The best part though was keeping her from biting the personal trainer working with the guy next to us. This guy was literally watching this kid try to shoot his spine across the gym behind him...and not only was he not saying a word to correct him...he was ENCOURAGING the kid and adding weight. This kid weighed 140lbs soaking wet, and when they got up to 185lbs, Lori dropped her barbell and literally launched herself at the trainer lol. 'DON'T YOU THINK you should be ACTUALLY TEACHING HIM FORM!!! instead of writing notes in your LITTLE FREAKING BOOK!? He's going to BLOW HIS FREAKING SPINE OUT OF HIS BACK!!...and I'm sorry...as a NURSE, his health means a HELL OF A LOT MORE TO ME THAN YOUR PAYCHECK!!!!'

    The dude sputtered for about 3 seconds, then started justifying that the kids form was perfect for the exercise he was doing, which was so bad it only vaguely resembled any sort of deadlift. The kid was literally lifting from the base of his back first, and rolling upwards as the weight came up. His spine was NEVER straight, and he was breathing OUT as he lifted. I was literally wincing every time he pulled a rep.

    Anyhow, it all ended well, the kid lived, the trainer lived (close call there), and we talked to his manager on the way out of the gym.

    Good stuff.

    that's AWESOME! :)
    Does you guys wanna come over and check my form for me?:wink:
    Be gentle!
  • KiltFuPanda
    KiltFuPanda Posts: 574 Member
    I just LOVE deadlifts! It's working out muscles that I have always been missing out on!

    Just started deadlifting at the beginning of June, and I've finally gotten comfortable enough in my form to start doing some big pulls:

    http://youtu.be/wz8AnabNG6o

    (Note: I'm a newbie to proper powerlifting, but I'm still "country strong" from my highland games - this is the first time being in a gym in over 10 years.)

    Yes, I'm strapping myself in - I'm still working on my grip strength (holding tight on an overhand grip at 315), but I'm not going to let my weak hands stop me from working the rest of the body.
  • crisanderson27
    crisanderson27 Posts: 5,343 Member
    Finally did more than my weight today. 155 x 5 then the remaining 4 sets were 145 x 5. Funny thing as we were loading the weight I was saying I cant wait till I can lift more than me. Didnt think I could.

    Note to self: Dont hit up bath & body prior to lifting. All that lotion really affects grip.

    Yeah, it does :l.

    Honestly though...you did great. I told you you could do it :).

    The best part though was keeping her from biting the personal trainer working with the guy next to us. This guy was literally watching this kid try to shoot his spine across the gym behind him...and not only was he not saying a word to correct him...he was ENCOURAGING the kid and adding weight. This kid weighed 140lbs soaking wet, and when they got up to 185lbs, Lori dropped her barbell and literally launched herself at the trainer lol. 'DON'T YOU THINK you should be ACTUALLY TEACHING HIM FORM!!! instead of writing notes in your LITTLE FREAKING BOOK!? He's going to BLOW HIS FREAKING SPINE OUT OF HIS BACK!!...and I'm sorry...as a NURSE, his health means a HELL OF A LOT MORE TO ME THAN YOUR PAYCHECK!!!!'

    The dude sputtered for about 3 seconds, then started justifying that the kids form was perfect for the exercise he was doing, which was so bad it only vaguely resembled any sort of deadlift. The kid was literally lifting from the base of his back first, and rolling upwards as the weight came up. His spine was NEVER straight, and he was breathing OUT as he lifted. I was literally wincing every time he pulled a rep.

    Anyhow, it all ended well, the kid lived, the trainer lived (close call there), and we talked to his manager on the way out of the gym.

    Good stuff.

    that's AWESOME! :)
    Does you guys wanna come over and check my form for me?:wink:
    Be gentle!

    You bet girl lol...sounds like a great vacation!
  • tobnrn
    tobnrn Posts: 477 Member
    Finally did more than my weight today. 155 x 5 then the remaining 4 sets were 145 x 5. Funny thing as we were loading the weight I was saying I cant wait till I can lift more than me. Didnt think I could.

    Note to self: Dont hit up bath & body prior to lifting. All that lotion really affects grip.

    Yeah, it does :l.

    Honestly though...you did great. I told you you could do it :).

    The best part though was keeping her from biting the personal trainer working with the guy next to us. This guy was literally watching this kid try to shoot his spine across the gym behind him...and not only was he not saying a word to correct him...he was ENCOURAGING the kid and adding weight. This kid weighed 140lbs soaking wet, and when they got up to 185lbs, Lori dropped her barbell and literally launched herself at the trainer lol. 'DON'T YOU THINK you should be ACTUALLY TEACHING HIM FORM!!! instead of writing notes in your LITTLE FREAKING BOOK!? He's going to BLOW HIS FREAKING SPINE OUT OF HIS BACK!!...and I'm sorry...as a NURSE, his health means a HELL OF A LOT MORE TO ME THAN YOUR PAYCHECK!!!!'

    The dude sputtered for about 3 seconds, then started justifying that the kids form was perfect for the exercise he was doing, which was so bad it only vaguely resembled any sort of deadlift. The kid was literally lifting from the base of his back first, and rolling upwards as the weight came up. His spine was NEVER straight, and he was breathing OUT as he lifted. I was literally wincing every time he pulled a rep.

    Anyhow, it all ended well, the kid lived, the trainer lived (close call there), and we talked to his manager on the way out of the gym.

    Good stuff.

    that's AWESOME! :)
    Does you guys wanna come over and check my form for me?:wink:
    Be gentle!

    Sure. Especially if you got any traiiners I can bite
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Finally did more than my weight today. 155 x 5 then the remaining 4 sets were 145 x 5. Funny thing as we were loading the weight I was saying I cant wait till I can lift more than me. Didnt think I could.

    Note to self: Dont hit up bath & body prior to lifting. All that lotion really affects grip.

    Great job to you and the others that have just gotten up thier body weight! There is just something about that. I go there with deads first then squats. Just so satisfying!! Great job guys!
  • tobnrn
    tobnrn Posts: 477 Member
    Finally did more than my weight today. 155 x 5 then the remaining 4 sets were 145 x 5. Funny thing as we were loading the weight I was saying I cant wait till I can lift more than me. Didnt think I could.

    Note to self: Dont hit up bath & body prior to lifting. All that lotion really affects grip.

    Great job to you and the others that have just gotten up thier body weight! There is just something about that. I go there with deads first then squats. Just so satisfying!! Great job guys!

    Thx. It was awesome. Looking forward to doing it on all my sets. The gains have been massive.
  • tobnrn
    tobnrn Posts: 477 Member
    Finally did more than my weight today. 155 x 5 then the remaining 4 sets were 145 x 5. Funny thing as we were loading the weight I was saying I cant wait till I can lift more than me. Didnt think I could.

    Note to self: Dont hit up bath & body prior to lifting. All that lotion really affects grip.

    Yeah, it does :l.

    Honestly though...you did great. I told you you could do it :).

    The best part though was keeping her from biting the personal trainer working with the guy next to us. This guy was literally watching this kid try to shoot his spine across the gym behind him...and not only was he not saying a word to correct him...he was ENCOURAGING the kid and adding weight. This kid weighed 140lbs soaking wet, and when they got up to 185lbs, Lori dropped her barbell and literally launched herself at the trainer lol. 'DON'T YOU THINK you should be ACTUALLY TEACHING HIM FORM!!! instead of writing notes in your LITTLE FREAKING BOOK!? He's going to BLOW HIS FREAKING SPINE OUT OF HIS BACK!!...and I'm sorry...as a NURSE, his health means a HELL OF A LOT MORE TO ME THAN YOUR PAYCHECK!!!!'

    The dude sputtered for about 3 seconds, then started justifying that the kids form was perfect for the exercise he was doing, which was so bad it only vaguely resembled any sort of deadlift. The kid was literally lifting from the base of his back first, and rolling upwards as the weight came up. His spine was NEVER straight, and he was breathing OUT as he lifted. I was literally wincing every time he pulled a rep.

    Anyhow, it all ended well, the kid lived, the trainer lived (close call there), and we talked to his manager on the way out of the gym.

    Good stuff.

    It was awesome. I'm no deadlift expert, but if your paying a trainer to teach you he better be teaching form. I just couldnt watch it anymore without saying something.

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