As if There Weren't Enough Reasons to go Vegan
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Optimal for life. Longevity, cognitive ability, athletic ability, etc. Just about every aspect of life improves when you make the switch to whole foods, plant based diet.still think the OPTIMAL human diet includes very little, if any, animal products.
optimal for what though?
then what are my boobs for again?
ROFL...THAT was an AWESOME answer...I don't care what side you're on...gotta give props there.
It was a stupid answer seemingly unrelated to anything. She might as well have posted "I like the colour pink!"
if you can't connect the dots on that one, then i think you just showed everyone how much credit we should give your posts.
Vegans DO breast feed. That's why your idiotic statement makes no sense.
You are arguing in a circle now. Vegans--no animal products including milk. Except for babies???
Makes no sense. So, babies are not "born herbivores"?
*Sigh* Breast milk comes from a consenting HUMAN.
Oh, so not all meat products are bad. If you find a dead animal, then it's okay to eat it, because nature made it dead, not humans?
No, that would be disrespectful. That's like me asking you if you'd eat a dead human.
Ahh, right. I always forget to worry about the dead animal's feelings.0 -
As if There Weren't Enough Reasons to go Vegan.
There are no good reasons to become one of them.
There is nothing better than fresh flesh. While I do love home grown pig and beef. There are few things better than nature grown steaks that I hunt and harvest.
With any luck there will even be some wolf backstraps on the grill this fall.
Man, just thinking about fall coming is getting me anxious to go look in the freezer to see what I have left from 2011.
Why are you posting on a thread about veganism then?0 -
Oooh someone posted a vegan thread, let's all jump on the "let's hate the veg lifestyle" bandwagon. Hey, if you have no intention of not giving up meat then don't give up meat but why do people ALWAYS have to bag on vegan/vegetarian lifestyles. If it's not for you, then move on to the next discussion. If I see threads about what meats to eat or asking for chicken recipes, I skip them b/c it doesn't relate. Why do people feel so compelled to bag on other people's choices esp if they are making the choice for health reasons whether you agree or not.
As a vegetarian, I don't care what you eat and I' not going to try to sway you to the plant based diet either. Make your own choices. Let me tell you though, you're very unlikely to get a vegetarian to change back to consuming meat again. I will never eat meat again b/c I find it repulsive and I find the industrial farming practices to be horrific and inhumane. You're not going to convince me to eat an animal's body. How about you see the word "vegan or vegetarian" and you say "oh that doesn't relate to me" and skip all the "vegetarians are stupid, man was made to eat meat" chest pounding speeches.
You haven't bothered to read the posts. No one said that vegans are stupid. In fact, it has been stated over and over again that if it works for you and you like it, you should do it. What has been happening is that the vegans are judging the meat eaters, saying it isn't healthy, it isn't respectful, etc.
To each his own.0 -
Although I admire a vegan diet, my trainer advised me that going vegan seriously diminishes the human body's ability to maintain muscle mass the way it does when it feasts on animal protein. I was trying out the vegan diet for a little while but was getting frustrated because I wasn't getting the results I wanted. He told me it was because I wasn't eating animal protein.0
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how would you know you are wrong if we don't point it out?
Why are you posting on a thread about veganism then?
See the post above for a good example.0 -
Going vegan is one of my best decisions ever, since I started to run and lift weights regularly.
^Yep, me too!0 -
Do mice normally eat meat? I'm not a mouse. Another poor study.0
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Although I admire a vegan diet, my trainer advised me that going vegan seriously diminishes the human body's ability to maintain muscle mass the way it does when it feasts on animal protein. I was trying out the vegan diet for a little while but was getting frustrated because I wasn't getting the results I wanted. He told me it was because I wasn't eating animal protein.
There are tons of high endurance athletes who thrive on a plant based diet. There is a good book called Thrive that talks about just that.
Thrive: The Vegan Nutrition Guide to Optimal Performance in Sports and Life
Brendan Brazier0 -
...but did those mice lift heavy?0
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Although I admire a vegan diet, my trainer advised me that going vegan seriously diminishes the human body's ability to maintain muscle mass the way it does when it feasts on animal protein. I was trying out the vegan diet for a little while but was getting frustrated because I wasn't getting the results I wanted. He told me it was because I wasn't eating animal protein.
There are tons of high endurance athletes who thrive on a plant based diet. There is a good book called Thrive that talks about just that.
Thrive: The Vegan Nutrition Guide to Optimal Performance in Sports and Life
Brendan Brazier
Exactly. You said endurance athletes where a lower body weight is usually favorable, like a distance runner.0 -
I have never had a soy steak provide a mouth watering experience like I have a fresh Elk Backstrap.0
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lol im gluten free AND vegan! I'm big into health!0
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Do mice normally eat meat? I'm not a mouse. Another poor study.
Do you use medicine? It was once tested on a mouse.0 -
I have never had a soy steak provide a mouth watering experience like I have a fresh Elk Backstrap.
Karma is a b*tch. So is Lyme disease...0 -
That's why you should eat at McDonald's. It's not really "grilled", it's more like a skillet. Healthier.0
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Do mice normally eat meat? I'm not a mouse. Another poor study.
Do you use medicine? It was once tested on a mouse.
Do you wear clothes with cotton? African American slaves used to pick it. What's your point?0 -
lol im gluten free AND vegan! I'm big into health!
and people who are not those things are not?0 -
Oooh someone posted a vegan thread, let's all jump on the "let's hate the veg lifestyle" bandwagon. Hey, if you have no intention of not giving up meat then don't give up meat but why do people ALWAYS have to bag on vegan/vegetarian lifestyles. If it's not for you, then move on to the next discussion. If I see threads about what meats to eat or asking for chicken recipes, I skip them b/c it doesn't relate. Why do people feel so compelled to bag on other people's choices esp if they are making the choice for health reasons whether you agree or not.
As a vegetarian, I don't care what you eat and I' not going to try to sway you to the plant based diet either. Make your own choices. Let me tell you though, you're very unlikely to get a vegetarian to change back to consuming meat again. I will never eat meat again b/c I find it repulsive and I find the industrial farming practices to be horrific and inhumane. You're not going to convince me to eat an animal's body. How about you see the word "vegan or vegetarian" and you say "oh that doesn't relate to me" and skip all the "vegetarians are stupid, man was made to eat meat" chest pounding speeches.
You haven't bothered to read the posts. No one said that vegans are stupid. In fact, it has been stated over and over again that if it works for you and you like it, you should do it. What has been happening is that the vegans are judging the meat eaters, saying it isn't healthy, it isn't respectful, etc.
To each his own.
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We are not herbivores at all. We are Omnivores.You do realize that mice are primarily herbivores? The way their bodies react to meat is very different from how we would react to it.
Why would our bodies react differently? There is a reason mice are used for so much testing. Humans are born herbivores my friend. We just simply choose to ignore what our bodies are designed for in favor of what satisfies our pleasure center. Check out this link:
http://www.waoy.org/26.html
We have teeth that are made for eating "grass" (as it were, I know we don't actually eat it anymore) and also the teeth that are made for chewing meat. I'm not saying therefore we HAVE to eat meat or only vegetation but we are not herbivores.
Your argument is invalid- I rest my case.0 -
Do mice normally eat meat? I'm not a mouse. Another poor study.
Do you use medicine? It was once tested on a mouse.
Do you wear clothes with cotton? African American slaves used to pick it. What's your point?
i just wear Africans. i'm no hypocrite.0 -
Eww, soy. Try a fresh ripe peach, or a fresh ripe mango. LUDICROUSLY mouthwatering and delicious when properly ripened!!!I have never had a soy steak provide a mouth watering experience like I have a fresh Elk Backstrap.0 -
Do mice normally eat meat? I'm not a mouse. Another poor study.
Do you use medicine? It was once tested on a mouse.
Do you wear clothes with cotton? African American slaves used to pick it. What's your point?
- My point is that tests on mice are valid in regards to human functioning. I.E."I am not a mouse."0 -
Eww, soy. Try a fresh ripe peach, or a fresh ripe mango. LUDICROUSLY mouthwatering and delicious when properly ripened!!!
Will do.0 -
nice findings 0
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Although I admire a vegan diet, my trainer advised me that going vegan seriously diminishes the human body's ability to maintain muscle mass the way it does when it feasts on animal protein. I was trying out the vegan diet for a little while but was getting frustrated because I wasn't getting the results I wanted. He told me it was because I wasn't eating animal protein.
There are tons of high endurance athletes who thrive on a plant based diet. There is a good book called Thrive that talks about just that.
Thrive: The Vegan Nutrition Guide to Optimal Performance in Sports and Life
Brendan Brazier
https://www.google.com/search?q=vegan+bodybuilders&sugexp=chrome,mod=13&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=F0w9UMfOG4a80QGOrYGwCA&biw=1366&bih=600&sei=GUw9UM2UGee20AGhlIDIBA
http://chocolatecoveredkatie.com/2010/04/25/vegan-bodybuilding-and-fitness-with-robert-cheeke/
http://www.livestrong.com/article/178935-how-to-gain-muscle-while-being-a-vegan/
http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=article_information_30 -
this is the funniest thread i've read in a long time lol0
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Animal testing to prove a vegan diet?
lol
bump
- Who said the scientists conducting the test were vegan? Logic fail on your part.0 -
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ThisI want some steak /\ 0
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