Another Thought About Milk
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I know there's another "milk" thread going on but my question is different....
A friend sent this to me earlier, wanted to see what you all thought:
"Milk is for baby cows. Period. We're the only species to drink the milk from another species, and we're also the only species who continues to drink milk after infancy. "
Thoughts?
(PS - Cow/Heffer gifs welcome..... I'm not easily offended!!!)
We are also the only species to perform brain surgery, use telephones, and fly to the moon. So by your friend's logic, we should only do the things that other animals do? The automotive industry's gonna have a field day with that one.
Contrarily, the argument "no other species drinks milk past infancy" is ignoring the fact that no other species CAN drink milk past infancy. Last I checked, dogs lack the know'-how, opposable thumbs, and equipment to milk goats. Even if they COULD procure milk from other animals, show me one dog who would refuse to drink it, on the principal of "I'm past my infancy".
We are humans, not animals. We were given tools and intelligence higher than and apart from animals for a reason.
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Um, unless you're a cannibal, isn't everything we eat from another species? Beef, chicken, pork, fish? All not human, and yet you don't hear too many people (other than vegetarians and vegans) trying to make a controversy about it/0
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we drink almond/coconut milk because we like it more. After a few months of dairy free, I am now lactose intolerant. I am okay with that. It is much better than feeling like an elephant is sitting on my chest after eating cheese/drinking milk. Almond/coconut milk tastes amazing in cereal too. I don't miss it all.
*my kids still have cow's milk at school and eat cheese. As a Celiac, it is pretty common to become lactose intolerant as well.0 -
That's what I believe about milk and I also read that's why lactose intolerance is so common because our bodies aren't made to digest it. I read that if you do want to drink milk then to drink goat's milk because that was the first animal dairy that our species started drinking (other than human milk) so our bodies are able to digest that better.
I personally love the taste of almond milk so much more anyway.
Did you know the main carbohydrate in human breast milk is also lactose? Yet we still develop lactose intolerance.. so why is it lactose from cows that causes it? Haven't we been drinking breast milk for ages longer than cow's milk?
did you know how bad the added chemicals in almond milk are? Did you know the calcium added into almond milk is mostly chalk?
the chalk thing's silly. just because it's a mineral doesn't make it bad for you. but i agree on the other chemicals in almond milk.
and we're not saying it's just cow's milk - human's lose the enzyme to break down lactose as they age. that includes all milk.
Another blanket statement about all humans. This is why you're getting flamed.
*sigh*
the humans that CAN digest milk as adults are in the minority and have a genetic adaptation. it's not "normal"
read the link I just posted.
You're really losing me here as to your point.0 -
I think the point may be that those of us who aren't lactose intolerant are special little snowflakes. Or something like that.You're really losing me here as to your point.0 -
I love all the different OPINIONS.....from people, scientists, doctors, books, websites, Tv shows movies. REALLY exactly who knows what the truth really is. Reasoning on both sides can make sense, as with alot of issues. How does it make you feel? How does it effect your weight loss? Everyone is different. As far as nutrition there are so many foods you can get good stuff from. Milk does not stand alone. What might be good for you might not for someone else. Sometimes if I am not confused about something, just wait a minute and I will be, especially with Media!!! I get frustrated:mad:0
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I love all the different OPINIONS.....from people, scientists, doctors, books, websites, Tv shows movies. REALLY exactly who knows what the truth really is. Reasoning on both sides can make sense, as with alot of issues. How does it make you feel? How does it effect your weight loss? Everyone is different. As far as nutrition there are so many foods you can get good stuff from. Milk does not stand alone. What might be good for you might not for someone else. Sometimes if I am not confused about something, just wait a minute and I will be, especially with Media!!! I get frustrated:mad:
I'm going with listen to the scientists who have studies that back up their claims.0 -
I think the point may be that those of us who aren't lactose intolerant are special little snowflakes. Or something like that.You're really losing me here as to your point.
Replace "little" with "muscular" and you may be on to something. :drinker:0 -
I have had adult cats who would happily nurse right along with the kittens when another cat had a litter.
Other animals don't have an alphabet either, so I guess we'd better give up this writing stuff. It's not natural!0 -
I drink almond milk because it's lower in calories, but I will never stop eating cheese. Ever.0
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Other animals don't have an alphabet either, so I guess we'd better give up this writing stuff. It's not natural!
QFT!0 -
I just don't like milk - except in something else. But, to sit and drink a glass of milk yuck - unless it is chocolate. I will eat cheese and I love cheese. But, I can't tell you how many gallons of milk have gone to waste in my frig. To each his own I guess.0
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I still think mental health is important...0
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I love all the different OPINIONS.....from people, scientists, doctors, books, websites, Tv shows movies. REALLY exactly who knows what the truth really is. Reasoning on both sides can make sense, as with alot of issues. How does it make you feel? How does it effect your weight loss? Everyone is different. As far as nutrition there are so many foods you can get good stuff from. Milk does not stand alone. What might be good for you might not for someone else. Sometimes if I am not confused about something, just wait a minute and I will be, especially with Media!!! I get frustrated:mad:
I'm going with listen to the scientists who have studies that back up their claims.
i posted studies. sorry bro. so much for being reasonable. haha0 -
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*sigh*
the humans that CAN digest milk as adults are in the minority and have a genetic adaptation. it's not "normal"
read the link I just posted."
Really? I have a genetic adaption that enables me to digest milk as an adult and I am not "normal"? Me and everyone else I know then. Minority? I think not!
Long live the mutant milk drinkers :drinker: :drinker:0 -
I love all the different OPINIONS.....from people, scientists, doctors, books, websites, Tv shows movies. REALLY exactly who knows what the truth really is. Reasoning on both sides can make sense, as with alot of issues. How does it make you feel? How does it effect your weight loss? Everyone is different. As far as nutrition there are so many foods you can get good stuff from. Milk does not stand alone. What might be good for you might not for someone else. Sometimes if I am not confused about something, just wait a minute and I will be, especially with Media!!! I get frustrated:mad:
I'm going with listen to the scientists who have studies that back up their claims.
i posted studies. sorry bro. so much for being reasonable. haha
Not all studies are made the same bro. ha ha (still not sure what "bro" or "ha ha" adds, particularly after you've PMd me repeatedly asking to be reasonable and claiming that you're put on). I've tried and tried but you don't seem to think through what your'e reading with a critical eye unless it disagrees with your conspiracy theories. Out of curiosity, what kind of "coach" are you?0 -
I love all the different OPINIONS.....from people, scientists, doctors, books, websites, Tv shows movies. REALLY exactly who knows what the truth really is. Reasoning on both sides can make sense, as with alot of issues. How does it make you feel? How does it effect your weight loss? Everyone is different. As far as nutrition there are so many foods you can get good stuff from. Milk does not stand alone. What might be good for you might not for someone else. Sometimes if I am not confused about something, just wait a minute and I will be, especially with Media!!! I get frustrated:mad:
I'm going with listen to the scientists who have studies that back up their claims.
i posted studies. sorry bro. so much for being reasonable. haha
What studies? You posted an article from USA today and a blog from Dr Weil.0 -
It's actually around 35% that are lactose intolerant, which gets confused with the 70% that have some aversion to it, but not all products and not all the time......this somehow translates into I want to save the world from the evils of milk.....pretty funny unless you have to protect a biased thinking, then it makes sense, on that level, I would imagine.quoted
*sigh*
the humans that CAN digest milk as adults are in the minority and have a genetic adaptation. it's not "normal"
read the link I just posted."
Really? I have a genetic adaption that enables me to digest milk as an adult and I am not "normal"? Me and everyone else I know then. Minority? I think not!
Long live the mutant milk drinkers :drinker: :drinker:0 -
*sigh*
the humans that CAN digest milk as adults are in the minority and have a genetic adaptation. it's not "normal"
read the link I just posted.
But it's 'normal' to be vegan? And 'normal' to get calcium from almond milk fortified with chalk? According to your link my genetic adaptation is a big survival advantage, be pretty dumb to ignore for the sake of conformity wouldn't it?
"Today, the highest proportion of people with lactase persistence live in Northwest Europe, especially the Netherlands, Ireland and Scandinavia. But the computer model suggests that dairy farmers carrying this gene variant probably originated in central Europe and then spread more widely and rapidly than non-dairying groups.
Author Mark Thomas of University College London's dept of Genetics, Evolution and Environment says: "In Europe, a single genetic change...is strongly associated with lactase persistence and appears to have given people with it a big survival advantage."0 -
Considering her credentials consist of not a scientist/nutritionalist/anything of the like and in her linkin profile she spelled her university wrong and she is a journalist, not a scientist, who happens to not site things she says, do you have anything from a credible source with credentials? I know I've seen some pretty stupid unreliable things in news papers....
It doesn't make it necessarily bad but the fortified calcium drinks aren't absorbed as well so it's more useless. Also, do you have any references for the enzyme thing? Never heard of it before.That's what I believe about milk and I also read that's why lactose intolerance is so common because our bodies aren't made to digest it. I read that if you do want to drink milk then to drink goat's milk because that was the first animal dairy that our species started drinking (other than human milk) so our bodies are able to digest that better.
I personally love the taste of almond milk so much more anyway.
Did you know the main carbohydrate in human breast milk is also lactose? Yet we still develop lactose intolerance.. so why is it lactose from cows that causes it? Haven't we been drinking breast milk for ages longer than cow's milk?
did you know how bad the added chemicals in almond milk are? Did you know the calcium added into almond milk is mostly chalk?
the chalk thing's silly. just because it's a mineral doesn't make it bad for you. but i agree on the other chemicals in almond milk.
and we're not saying it's just cow's milk - human's lose the enzyme to break down lactose as they age. that includes all milk.
From a quick google search:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-08-30-lactose-intolerance_N.htmIn normal humans, the enzyme that does so —lactase— stops being produced when the person is between two and five years old. The undigested sugars end up in the colon, where they begin to ferment, producing gas that can cause cramping, bloating, nausea, flatulence and diarrhea.0 -
Almond milk also has Carrageenan, which I try to stay away from.
Dr. Blaylock says about carrageenan (Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life; pg. 196):
"Carrageenan is a rather new additive. It is a complex polysaccharide extract made from seaweed, and is used as a binding agent. Experimentally, carrageenan is used as an agent to induce intense inflammation in experimental animals. A recent study found that when carrageenan was injected in animals along with a cancer-causing chemical, tumors appeared more rapidly and in significantly higher numbers than in control animals injected with carcinogen alone. The same was seen when human breast cancers were implanted in animals along with carrageenan: the combination made the tumores grow faster and spread more widely than in control animals. As a result, carrageenan is classified as a tumor promotor.
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I love all the different OPINIONS.....from people, scientists, doctors, books, websites, Tv shows movies. REALLY exactly who knows what the truth really is. Reasoning on both sides can make sense, as with alot of issues. How does it make you feel? How does it effect your weight loss? Everyone is different. As far as nutrition there are so many foods you can get good stuff from. Milk does not stand alone. What might be good for you might not for someone else. Sometimes if I am not confused about something, just wait a minute and I will be, especially with Media!!! I get frustrated:mad:
I'm going with listen to the scientists who have studies that back up their claims.
i posted studies. sorry bro. so much for being reasonable. haha
What studies? You posted an article from USA today and a blog from Dr Weil.
Yeah, I'd always take nutritional advice from a sometimes muscial theatre actor and beachbody coach who doesn't know the difference between a study and a newspaper article. And he wonders why so many people dispute his broscience and related nonsense?0 -
Wow where on earth did you get this? I know like one single person who is lactose intolerant and they still can have and love dairy occasionally. And minority? Since when? Any proof of that? Last I checked about 2% of Northern European descent exhibit lactose intolerance? See Sara's post on http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/788363-milk-or-no-milk?page=4 for references. She's more informed then me on the matter.That's what I believe about milk and I also read that's why lactose intolerance is so common because our bodies aren't made to digest it. I read that if you do want to drink milk then to drink goat's milk because that was the first animal dairy that our species started drinking (other than human milk) so our bodies are able to digest that better.
I personally love the taste of almond milk so much more anyway.
Did you know the main carbohydrate in human breast milk is also lactose? Yet we still develop lactose intolerance.. so why is it lactose from cows that causes it? Haven't we been drinking breast milk for ages longer than cow's milk?
did you know how bad the added chemicals in almond milk are? Did you know the calcium added into almond milk is mostly chalk?
the chalk thing's silly. just because it's a mineral doesn't make it bad for you. but i agree on the other chemicals in almond milk.
and we're not saying it's just cow's milk - human's lose the enzyme to break down lactose as they age. that includes all milk.
Another blanket statement about all humans. This is why you're getting flamed.
*sigh*
the humans that CAN digest milk as adults are in the minority and have a genetic adaptation. it's not "normal"
read the link I just posted.0 -
It's actually around 35% that are lactose intolerant, which gets confused with the 70% that have some aversion to it, but not all products and not all the time......this somehow translates into I want to save the world from the evils of milk.....pretty funny unless you have to protect a biased thinking, then it makes sense, on that level, I would imagine.quoted
*sigh*
the humans that CAN digest milk as adults are in the minority and have a genetic adaptation. it's not "normal"
read the link I just posted."
Really? I have a genetic adaption that enables me to digest milk as an adult and I am not "normal"? Me and everyone else I know then. Minority? I think not!
Long live the mutant milk drinkers :drinker: :drinker:
why couldn't our genetic mutation be something better? i'd so swap being a mutant milk drinker for being able to breathe underwater (or some other genetic mutation that would be so much cooler and more beneficial than the digestion of dairy).
oh, and being of northern european descent, i know only 1 person who's lactose intolerant. she is my neice, and funnily enough as she's got older it's got better.0 -
I love all the different OPINIONS.....from people, scientists, doctors, books, websites, Tv shows movies. REALLY exactly who knows what the truth really is. Reasoning on both sides can make sense, as with alot of issues. How does it make you feel? How does it effect your weight loss? Everyone is different. As far as nutrition there are so many foods you can get good stuff from. Milk does not stand alone. What might be good for you might not for someone else. Sometimes if I am not confused about something, just wait a minute and I will be, especially with Media!!! I get frustrated:mad:
I'm going with listen to the scientists who have studies that back up their claims.
i posted studies. sorry bro. so much for being reasonable. haha
What studies? You posted an article from USA today and a blog from Dr Weil.
Yeah, I'd always take nutritional advice from a sometimes muscial theatre actor and beachbody coach who doesn't know the difference between a study and a newspaper article. And he wonders why so many people dispute his broscience and related nonsense?
Listen here, he's good at backing up his blog info with a convincing argument, haha, bro.0 -
This is FASCINATING!It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.
Evolution at work.
So no, we're not "meant" to drink milk, but we white folk have adapted over thousands of years to be able to digest it. So we're all right. Haha
all you white folk arguing that you don't know anyone who's lactose intolerant - just look at the information. it's not surprising.
10% of europeans are lactose intolerant.
but overall, 60% of all people are lactose intolerant.
and as for newspaper articles - where do you think they get their information? the studies they cite... which were performed by scientists.
y'all don't need to agree with me - that's fine - but to say that I don't use studies is patently false.0 -
This is FASCINATING!It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.
Evolution at work.
So no, we're not "meant" to drink milk, but we white folk have adapted over thousands of years to be able to digest it. So we're all right. Haha
all you white folk arguing that you don't know anyone who's lactose intolerant - just look at the information. it's not surprising.
10% of europeans are lactose intolerant.
but overall, 60% of all people are lactose intolerant.
and as for newspaper articles - where do you think they get their information? the studies they cite... which were performed by scientists.
y'all don't need to agree with me - that's fine - but to say that I don't use studies is patently false.
Is that what the voices in your head tell you? Do you even know the difference between an article and the stardards of proof and a peer reviewed study? The more you talk, the more you appear the fool. Nice work!0 -
http://rense.com/general63/milkmyth.htm
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/12/new-study-increased-milk-intake-does-not-protect-against-osteoporosis-but-does-promote-ovarian-and-p.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intoleranceMost mammals normally become lactose intolerant after weaning, but some human populations have developed lactase persistence, in which lactase production continues into adulthood. It is estimated that 75% of adults worldwide show some decrease in lactase activity during adulthood.[5] The frequency of decreased lactase activity ranges from 5% in northern Europe through 71% for Sicily to more than 90% in some African and Asian countries.[6] This distribution is now thought to have been caused by recent natural selection favoring lactase persistant individuals in cultures that rely on dairy products.[7] While it was first thought that this would mean that populations in Europe, India, and Africa had high frequencies of lactase persistence because of a particular mutation, it has now been shown that lactase persistence is caused by several independently occurring mutations.[8]
the things I'm suggesting are pretty widely accepted everywhere but this board.0 -
#FTW!!!!This is FASCINATING!It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.
Evolution at work.
So no, we're not "meant" to drink milk, but we white folk have adapted over thousands of years to be able to digest it. So we're all right. Haha
all you white folk arguing that you don't know anyone who's lactose intolerant - just look at the information. it's not surprising.
10% of europeans are lactose intolerant.
but overall, 60% of all people are lactose intolerant.
and as for newspaper articles - where do you think they get their information? the studies they cite... which were performed by scientists.
y'all don't need to agree with me - that's fine - but to say that I don't use studies is patently false.
White people have no perspective because they're white and everyone they know is also white!
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#FTW!!!!This is FASCINATING!It's not normal. Somewhat less than 40% of people in the world retain the ability to digest lactose after childhood. The numbers are often given as close to 0% of Native Americans, 5% of Asians, 25% of African and Caribbean peoples, 50% of Mediterranean peoples and 90% of northern Europeans. Sweden has one of the world's highest percentages of lactase tolerant people.
Evolution at work.
So no, we're not "meant" to drink milk, but we white folk have adapted over thousands of years to be able to digest it. So we're all right. Haha
all you white folk arguing that you don't know anyone who's lactose intolerant - just look at the information. it's not surprising.
10% of europeans are lactose intolerant.
but overall, 60% of all people are lactose intolerant.
and as for newspaper articles - where do you think they get their information? the studies they cite... which were performed by scientists.
y'all don't need to agree with me - that's fine - but to say that I don't use studies is patently false.
White people have no perspective because they're white and everyone they know is also white!
(extreme sarcasm font)
whitey is oppressing the cows!
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