Another Thought About Milk
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Natural calcium, natural proteins (great for building muscle), natural vitamins.. what ISN'T nutritious about milk?Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
What about milk is actually nutritious?
Edit" here let me get you started:
"Milk is bad because of growth hormones"
My response: Bovine growth hormone and IGF are protein hormones and they're cleaved into their constituent amino acids by your digestive enzymes in the same way as any ingested protein. In other words, they turn into food. It's not possible for them to have any growth-hormone like effects.0 -
Now I just want a glass of milk.
Exactly what I was thinking.0 -
Did I miss something about milk?0
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I know - you'll say we've evolved since then - but then why don't we have the right enzymes!?
Some of us do. Some of us don't. The human population is somewhat diverse in terms of genes, which is why we don't all look the same either. Some populations evolved more tendency towards blond hair and blue eyes, some populations are shorter than others, and some populations can yes, produce lactase.0 -
and no, of course foods aren't designed to be eaten by us, WE'RE designed to eat certain foods - dairy is not among these foods.
According to whom
throughout the evolutionary process, our bodies developed the ability to break down certain things, and not others. Adult humans don't even have the proper enzymes to properly digest lactose. That ALONE is evidence that evolutionarily speaking, we're not meant to drink it.
But beyond that - a guy in a cave 10,000 years ago. Tell me how he gets his dairy fix?
I know - you'll say we've evolved since then - but then why don't we have the right enzymes!?
I think people who don't have the enzyme (lactase) are lactose-intolerant and probably know it. Otherwise most people do have lactase.0 -
Natural calcium, natural proteins (great for building muscle), natural vitamins.. what ISN'T nutritious about milk?Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
What about milk is actually nutritious?
You can get all of that from other sources other than milk by the way. Would you go to the store and buy a gallon if human breast milk ?0 -
Natural calcium, natural proteins (great for building muscle), natural vitamins.. what ISN'T nutritious about milk?Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
What about milk is actually nutritious?
Fat, GMO's and Hormones?0 -
and no, of course foods aren't designed to be eaten by us, WE'RE designed to eat certain foods - dairy is not among these foods.
According to whom
throughout the evolutionary process, our bodies developed the ability to break down certain things, and not others. Adult humans don't even have the proper enzymes to properly digest lactose. That ALONE is evidence that evolutionarily speaking, we're not meant to drink it.
But beyond that - a guy in a cave 10,000 years ago. Tell me how he gets his dairy fix?
I know - you'll say we've evolved since then - but then why don't we have the right enzymes!?
I see you haven't read the thread before replying. Several different populations of humans (including europeans, of which from your photo you appear to be one), have evolved to continue expressing the gene that makes the enzyme lactase, which digests milk. Some populations have this gene at low frequency, others at high frequency. It has been established that this event occurred around 10,000 years ago, and has been maintained in the human population by positive selection.
So many millions of us (although not everyone) do have these right enzymes.
I will admit at this point that I find you a rather odious forum participant. You routinely get yourself into arguments by posting false information, and then aggressively defend yourself when people correct you. Could you please consider at least reading the previous posts before you post further incorrect information?0 -
Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
What about milk is actually nutritious?
Ridiculous question. Please enlighten us on how it isn't0 -
I know there's another "milk" thread going on but my question is different....
A friend sent this to me earlier, wanted to see what you all thought:
"Milk is for baby cows. Period. We're the only species to drink the milk from another species, and we're also the only species who continues to drink milk after infancy. "
Thoughts?
(PS - Cow/Heffer gifs welcome..... I'm not easily offended!!!)
Since that is said and ridiculed in almost every thread about milk, I fail to see how your thread is original. Milk is for baby cows in the same way eggs are for chicken embryos, nuts, seeds and grains are to nourish seedling plants. Few foods evolved for humans to eat them, they all have another function entirely.
If you wish to give up dairy you can get all the calcium you need from other wholefoods, just be prepared to regiment your diet. Personally I don't fancy 400g of almonds of 750g of spinach every day. Most people who don't eat dairy cheat by eating foods that are far less natural than dairy, there is nothing nutritious about almond milk, it has to be fortified in a factory or laboratory to be of any use at all. Alpro brand contains "Water, SUGAR, Almond (2%) ,Tri-Calcium Phosphate, SEA SALT, Stabilisers (Locust Bean Gum, Gellan Gum) ,Emulsifier (Sunflower Lecithin) ,Vitamin (Riboflavin (B2), B12, E, D2)".
Whoa there, nelly. Where's your rant on almond milk coming from? LOL!
FYI I did a search to see if THIS topic had been posted and I didn't see it. How many people do that before posting?
Where in my post did it say or suggest giving up dairy?
Plain and simple, I asked for thoughts, did I not?
And yes I am original. I'm me.
Relax, chickie.0 -
We are also the only species to live in houses with air conditioning, take daily showers, and brush and floss our teeth. I don't believe milk is bad for us. If animals had access to milk from other species, they would drink it. They just dont have the ability to do it. I am always going to drink milk. (just my thoughts)0
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You can get lots of stuff from lots of different sources. that doesn't explain why it isn't nutritious though. Ball is still in your court.
You can get all of that from other sources other than milk by the way. Would you go to the store and buy a gallon if human breast milk ?
Natural calcium, natural proteins (great for building muscle), natural vitamins.. what ISN'T nutritious about milk?Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
What about milk is actually nutritious?0 -
and no, of course foods aren't designed to be eaten by us, WE'RE designed to eat certain foods - dairy is not among these foods.
According to whom
throughout the evolutionary process, our bodies developed the ability to break down certain things, and not others. Adult humans don't even have the proper enzymes to properly digest lactose. That ALONE is evidence that evolutionarily speaking, we're not meant to drink it.
But beyond that - a guy in a cave 10,000 years ago. Tell me how he gets his dairy fix?
I know - you'll say we've evolved since then - but then why don't we have the right enzymes!?
I think people who don't have the enzyme (lactase) are lactose-intolerant and probably know it. Otherwise most people do have lactase.
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA182741This is because as we mature, our bodies stop making the enzyme that breaks it down.0 -
You can get all of that from other sources other than milk by the way.
Wait, what? By that logic, there's no need to eat oranges or strawberries because you can get vitamin C from tomatoes. Just because two different foods have the same nutrients doesn't make one of them obsolete.0 -
Cats are lactose intolerant and arent meant to drink cows milk (not many people know that)
I love milk and have a glass a day and have drunk it since I can remember and I have grown up fairly normally - no oversize features, normal size head and only one and no extra limbs
I cant drink almond milk as I have a nut allergy and dont like soya milk so to get calcium I have to stick to cows milk0 -
and no, of course foods aren't designed to be eaten by us, WE'RE designed to eat certain foods - dairy is not among these foods.
According to whom
throughout the evolutionary process, our bodies developed the ability to break down certain things, and not others. Adult humans don't even have the proper enzymes to properly digest lactose. That ALONE is evidence that evolutionarily speaking, we're not meant to drink it.
But beyond that - a guy in a cave 10,000 years ago. Tell me how he gets his dairy fix?
I know - you'll say we've evolved since then - but then why don't we have the right enzymes!?
I see you haven't read the thread before replying. Several different populations of humans (including europeans, of which from your photo you appear to be one), have evolved to continue expressing the gene that makes the enzyme lactase, which digests milk. Some populations have this gene at low frequency, others at high frequency. It has been established that this event occurred around 10,000 years ago, and has been maintained in the human population by positive selection.
So many millions of us (although not everyone) do have these right enzymes.
I will admit at this point that I find you a rather odious forum participant. You routinely get yourself into arguments by posting false information, and then aggressively defend yourself when people correct you. Could you please consider at least reading the previous posts before you post further incorrect information?
I don't mind at all that you find me odious. Good word choice.0 -
All the food is poison. All the food is poison.
The carrots, the peas, the celery sticks, the meat and the fish will make you sick
All the food is poison. All the food is poison.
Apples, tomatoes, wheat and the corn, all the food is poison. Don’t eat the food, its poison food0 -
drweil
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You can get lots of stuff from lots of different sources. that doesn't explain why it isn't nutritious though. Ball is still in your court.
You can get all of that from other sources other than milk by the way. Would you go to the store and buy a gallon if human breast milk ?
Natural calcium, natural proteins (great for building muscle), natural vitamins.. what ISN'T nutritious about milk?Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
What about milk is actually nutritious?
corn-fed cattle and hormones are really all we need to say...0 -
Fat = drink skim
GMO's = why is that a bad thing? They become more resistant to diseases, produce more per livestock, etc.. nature has been practicing genetic modification for a long, long, time, and we're just using our big brains to facilitate the process.
Hormones = Bovine growth hormone and IGF are protein hormones and they're cleaved into their constituent amino acids by your digestive enzymes in the same way as any ingested protein. In other words, they turn into food. It's not possible for them to have any growth-hormone like effects0 -
Natural calcium, natural proteins (great for building muscle), natural vitamins.. what ISN'T nutritious about milk?Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
What about milk is actually nutritious?
You can get all of that from other sources other than milk by the way. Would you go to the store and buy a gallon if human breast milk ?
Back to back ridiculous statements.
Is that really what you want to go with? That if we can get similar nutrition from another source then the first source isn't nutritious? Coach, you're going to need stronger players on your team if you're going to win this0 -
I will start worrying when I consume as much cow's milk in one day as a calf does. I drink 8-10 ounces at the max a day. calories and nutrition is not so dense that that much will hurt me.0
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Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
I agree. If there was another intelligent species, they would likely take milk from other species too.0 -
If anyone is interested......"From a Primal perspective, however, dairy still remains somewhat of an enigma. Hardly one of the original, universal foods in human evolution, milk entered the scene at a surprisingly late date – only some 9,000 years ago with the advent of animal domestication. Researchers have long traced the “progression” of Grok‘s dairy intake from the Middle East into Europe, where milk actually became an unusually significant dietary staple. New research into the dairy “drift” now offers more details than ever surrounding this relatively isolated, albeit dramatic, evolutionary event.
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"Previous theory suggested the gradual interbreeding of the immigrant group with existing hunter-gatherers. Not so, say researchers now. In addition to the grisly discovery of a Neolithic Age mass grave (the remains in which indicate violent beating and bludgeoning), bones from the period reveal two distinct genetic lines, one lactose tolerant (the farmer immigrants) and the other not (existing hunter-gatherers that had come to Europe some 46,000 years prior). Archeological remains confirm that modern day Northern Europeans are descended from that immigrant farming group. With evidence of a wholly different culture, religion and language, the settlers apparently resisted rather than absorbed the original population, and their genetic line as well as agricultural practices, eventually won out. Today, the genetic pattern lingers. Lactose tolerance levels increase in a northwesterly progression across Northern and Western Europe and into the Northwest tip of Africa, where lactose tolerance hits a peak 80%."
Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/milk-dairy-human-diet/#ixzz2ITiEk5tG
Milk Drinking Started Around 7,500 Years Ago In Central Europe
The genetic change that enabled early Europeans to drink milk without getting sick has been mapped to dairying farmers who lived around 7,500 years ago in a region between the central Balkans and central Europe.
Previously, it was thought that natural selection favoured milk drinkers only in more northern regions because of their greater need for vitamin D in their diet. People living in most parts of the world make vitamin D when sunlight hits the skin, but in northern latitudes there isn't enough sunlight to do this for most of the year.
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"Many reasons have been put forward for why being able to drink fresh milk should be such an advantage. For example, milk can compensate for the lack of sunlight and synthesis of vitamin D in skin at more northern latitudes, since vitamin D is required for calcium absorption and milk provides a good dietary source of both nutrients. Milk also provides a calorie- and protein-rich food source, comes in a relatively constant supply compared to the boom-and-bust of seasonal crops, and would have been less contaminated than water supplies."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090827202513.htm0 -
You can get all of that from other sources other than milk by the way.
Wait, what? By that logic, there's no need to eat oranges or strawberries because you can get vitamin C from tomatoes. Just because two different foods have the same nutrients doesn't make one of them obsolete.
That doesn't mean we were designed to drink cows milk. Lol. We are weened off breast milk, that's full of nutrients...why not just continue that if you're just going to switch to cows milk? Turds might have some nutrients in it, are you going to chew on a turd?0 -
drweil
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I could quote The China Study but you'd still laugh because you don't buy it - even though it's extremely thorough, comprehensive research.
you just don't agree with it.0 -
drweil
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I could quote The China Study but you'd still laugh because you don't buy it - even though it's extremely thorough, comprehensive research.
you just don't agree with it.
I don't like you and your stupid arguments.... so Science... the end...0 -
Natural calcium, natural proteins (great for building muscle), natural vitamins.. what ISN'T nutritious about milk?Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
What about milk is actually nutritious?
You can get all of that from other sources other than milk by the way. Would you go to the store and buy a gallon if human breast milk ?
Back to back ridiculous statements.
Is that really what you want to go with? That if we can get similar nutrition from another source then the first source isn't nutritious? Coach, you're going to need stronger players on your team if you're going to win this
I don't really care to win, because I don't care how you folks choose to live your lives!0 -
what's nutritious about milk? you'll say calcium - you can get 50% more calcium from Almond Milk.
so then what other reason is there to drink it?
You can fortify any food with any micronutrient if you so choose. I could fortify cow's milk with the full array by using a liquid multivitamin/ mineral, some triple strength fish oils and trump your almond milk which is only fortified with vitamins D, E, B12 and chalk. Manufacturers fortify sugary breakfast cereals, doesn't make them superfoods.0 -
drweil
:laugh:
I could quote The China Study but you'd still laugh because you don't buy it - even though it's extremely thorough, comprehensive research.
you just don't agree with it.
I don't like you and your stupid arguments.... so Science... the end...
The China Study is science. ruh roh.0
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