Another Thought About Milk
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Oh good lord.
I drink milk and/or eat dairy products at least once, if not more, a day.
Granted, store-bought almond milk contains more calcium than cow's milk, but it's because of the added calcium carbonate. It also has a nice amount of Vitamin E in it, in addition to a decent number of micronutrients.Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
what's nutritious about milk? you'll say calcium - you can get 50% more calcium from Almond Milk.
so then what other reason is there to drink it?
But almond milk only has about one-eighth the amount of protein as cows milk, as well as lacking the nutrient quantity and nutrient diversity of its bovine counterpart.
Despite the nutritional elegance of cow's milk, the food phobic's have largely abandoned it.
so calcium, which we've covered - and protein, which can EASILY be met from any number of other sources.
hey, it's a personal choice and do what you want, but to me it's simple. Even if you're not lactose intolerant, milk often makes people phlegmy. Phlegm is the bodies natural response to something toxic entering its system. To me, that's all the info I needed - however I'm also a singer so I'm more sensitive to things like mucus and phlegm.
The point is, someone who doesn't drink milk isn't missing out on any nutrients compared with someone who does.
I am also a singer. My friends can attest to that.
I do not get "phlegmy" from milk. I do not have problems with mucus or phlegm. That's normally caused by a respiratory infection, not dairy, so I'd recommend seeing a doctor.
Also, even when I *do* suffer from mucus or phlegm (again, due to a respiratory infection, not dairy), it doesn't affect my singing. At all.
So...your argument is flawed, if not completely invalid.
haha I'm a singer and my paychecks attest to that.
in any case, just do two seconds of google research and you'll see you're unique - and you probably don't use your voice in the same way as professional singers.
You're not even worth it.
that really wasn't meant in a derogatory way... it's just that a professional singer has to take meticulous care of his or her voice - much more than what the general public sees - and are thus more in tuned with the things that affect it both positively and negatively.
sorry if it came off that way.0 -
:laugh: Lol, the anti milk people probably don't eat ice cream, cheese, or cheese cake. Don't hate.
And if you're anti milk yet do eat these, the STFU.:laugh:
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we don't. and i agree that if there are anti-milk people who do they SHOULD stfu. lol0 -
i know that since i stopped drinking cow milk my skin has cleared up and my stomach no longer cramps or gets bloated...
drink what you want to drink...dont let a study or someone's opinion tell you what to do....do what you want to do and what works for you....!0 -
I dunno about Milk, but I do know Bananas are for monkeys. So bananas are definitely out of the question.0
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Don't even try to school me.
Oh good lord.
I drink milk and/or eat dairy products at least once, if not more, a day.
Granted, store-bought almond milk contains more calcium than cow's milk, but it's because of the added calcium carbonate. It also has a nice amount of Vitamin E in it, in addition to a decent number of micronutrients.Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
what's nutritious about milk? you'll say calcium - you can get 50% more calcium from Almond Milk.
so then what other reason is there to drink it?
But almond milk only has about one-eighth the amount of protein as cows milk, as well as lacking the nutrient quantity and nutrient diversity of its bovine counterpart.
Despite the nutritional elegance of cow's milk, the food phobic's have largely abandoned it.
so calcium, which we've covered - and protein, which can EASILY be met from any number of other sources.
hey, it's a personal choice and do what you want, but to me it's simple. Even if you're not lactose intolerant, milk often makes people phlegmy. Phlegm is the bodies natural response to something toxic entering its system. To me, that's all the info I needed - however I'm also a singer so I'm more sensitive to things like mucus and phlegm.
The point is, someone who doesn't drink milk isn't missing out on any nutrients compared with someone who does.
I am also a singer. My friends can attest to that.
I do not get "phlegmy" from milk. I do not have problems with mucus or phlegm. That's normally caused by a respiratory infection, not dairy, so I'd recommend seeing a doctor.
Also, even when I *do* suffer from mucus or phlegm (again, due to a respiratory infection, not dairy), it doesn't affect my singing. At all.
So...your argument is flawed, if not completely invalid.
haha I'm a singer and my paychecks attest to that.
in any case, just do two seconds of google research and you'll see you're unique - and you probably don't use your voice in the same way as professional singers.
You're not even worth it.
that really wasn't meant in a derogatory way... it's just that a professional singer has to take meticulous care of his or her voice - much more than what the general public sees - and are thus more in tuned with the things that affect it both positively and negatively.
sorry if it came off that way.
I've been singing for half my life, and have been behind the scenes of the music industry for at least 6 years.
Aside from opera singers (and even then, Sarah Brightman smokes like a chimney), most professional singers don't do diddly squat besides suck on a lemon before a performance.
You don't even know who you're trying to school. Just stop while you're ahead.0 -
:laugh: Lol, the anti milk people probably don't eat ice cream, cheese, or cheese cake. Don't hate.
And if you're anti milk yet do eat these, the STFU.:laugh:
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we don't. and i agree that if there are anti-milk people who do they SHOULD stfu. lol
I'm really confused.
You (@CoachReddy) start off by saying that people could stop drinking cow's milk and drink almond milk.
Then you say people should drink what they want.
Then you say you don't care what other people are doing, yet you are here arguing on a thread about people who choose to drink cow's milk....saying where did the cavemen get their dairy fix.....
Just what are you saying??????
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Rihanna drinks milk
Oh good lord.
I drink milk and/or eat dairy products at least once, if not more, a day.
Granted, store-bought almond milk contains more calcium than cow's milk, but it's because of the added calcium carbonate. It also has a nice amount of Vitamin E in it, in addition to a decent number of micronutrients.Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
what's nutritious about milk? you'll say calcium - you can get 50% more calcium from Almond Milk.
so then what other reason is there to drink it?
But almond milk only has about one-eighth the amount of protein as cows milk, as well as lacking the nutrient quantity and nutrient diversity of its bovine counterpart.
Despite the nutritional elegance of cow's milk, the food phobic's have largely abandoned it.
so calcium, which we've covered - and protein, which can EASILY be met from any number of other sources.
hey, it's a personal choice and do what you want, but to me it's simple. Even if you're not lactose intolerant, milk often makes people phlegmy. Phlegm is the bodies natural response to something toxic entering its system. To me, that's all the info I needed - however I'm also a singer so I'm more sensitive to things like mucus and phlegm.
The point is, someone who doesn't drink milk isn't missing out on any nutrients compared with someone who does.
I am also a singer. My friends can attest to that.
I do not get "phlegmy" from milk. I do not have problems with mucus or phlegm. That's normally caused by a respiratory infection, not dairy, so I'd recommend seeing a doctor.
Also, even when I *do* suffer from mucus or phlegm (again, due to a respiratory infection, not dairy), it doesn't affect my singing. At all.
So...your argument is flawed, if not completely invalid.
haha I'm a singer and my paychecks attest to that.
in any case, just do two seconds of google research and you'll see you're unique - and you probably don't use your voice in the same way as professional singers.
You're not even worth it.
that really wasn't meant in a derogatory way... it's just that a professional singer has to take meticulous care of his or her voice - much more than what the general public sees - and are thus more in tuned with the things that affect it both positively and negatively.
sorry if it came off that way.
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It's getting hard to keep up with the thread with this whole back and forth.0
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Don't even try to school me.
Oh good lord.
I drink milk and/or eat dairy products at least once, if not more, a day.
Granted, store-bought almond milk contains more calcium than cow's milk, but it's because of the added calcium carbonate. It also has a nice amount of Vitamin E in it, in addition to a decent number of micronutrients.Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
what's nutritious about milk? you'll say calcium - you can get 50% more calcium from Almond Milk.
so then what other reason is there to drink it?
But almond milk only has about one-eighth the amount of protein as cows milk, as well as lacking the nutrient quantity and nutrient diversity of its bovine counterpart.
Despite the nutritional elegance of cow's milk, the food phobic's have largely abandoned it.
so calcium, which we've covered - and protein, which can EASILY be met from any number of other sources.
hey, it's a personal choice and do what you want, but to me it's simple. Even if you're not lactose intolerant, milk often makes people phlegmy. Phlegm is the bodies natural response to something toxic entering its system. To me, that's all the info I needed - however I'm also a singer so I'm more sensitive to things like mucus and phlegm.
The point is, someone who doesn't drink milk isn't missing out on any nutrients compared with someone who does.
I am also a singer. My friends can attest to that.
I do not get "phlegmy" from milk. I do not have problems with mucus or phlegm. That's normally caused by a respiratory infection, not dairy, so I'd recommend seeing a doctor.
Also, even when I *do* suffer from mucus or phlegm (again, due to a respiratory infection, not dairy), it doesn't affect my singing. At all.
So...your argument is flawed, if not completely invalid.
haha I'm a singer and my paychecks attest to that.
in any case, just do two seconds of google research and you'll see you're unique - and you probably don't use your voice in the same way as professional singers.
You're not even worth it.
that really wasn't meant in a derogatory way... it's just that a professional singer has to take meticulous care of his or her voice - much more than what the general public sees - and are thus more in tuned with the things that affect it both positively and negatively.
sorry if it came off that way.
I've been singing for half my life, and have been behind the scenes of the music industry for at least 6 years.
Aside from opera singers (and even then, Sarah Brightman smokes like a chimney), most professional singers don't do diddly squat besides suck on a lemon before a performance.
You don't even know who you're trying to school. Just stop while you're ahead.
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i know that since i stopped drinking cow milk my skin has cleared up and my stomach no longer cramps or gets bloated...
drink what you want to drink...dont let a study or someone's opinion tell you what to do....do what you want to do and what works for you....!
i don't think your skin has anything to do with it, but the cramps and bloating are from gas, which is from your inability to break down lactose. you were starting to become lactose intolerant. so by cutting out milk, it makes sense that the cramps and bloating would disappear.
i drank milk all my life until my mid-30's when i had to stop because i developed lactose intolerance. i miss cereal. i can still ingest small amounts, but too much will cause me to have all of the classic symptoms.
some people never become lactose intolerant. it's a hereditary thing. so anybody who claims we weren't intended to ingest milk simply because our bodies become unable to easily digest lactose is neglecting that percentage of the world's population that doesn't have that problem.0 -
Almond milk also has Carrageenan, which I try to stay away from.
Dr. Blaylock says about carrageenan (Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life; pg. 196):
"Carrageenan is a rather new additive. It is a complex polysaccharide extract made from seaweed, and is used as a binding agent. Experimentally, carrageenan is used as an agent to induce intense inflammation in experimental animals. A recent study found that when carrageenan was injected in animals along with a cancer-causing chemical, tumors appeared more rapidly and in significantly higher numbers than in control animals injected with carcinogen alone. The same was seen when human breast cancers were implanted in animals along with carrageenan: the combination made the tumores grow faster and spread more widely than in control animals. As a result, carrageenan is classified as a tumor promotor.
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As someone who is lactose intolerant and has turned to almond milk as a substitute.... GREAT... Thanks a lot...
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I personally don't care what other mammals drink or don't drink. I drink milk because I like it. I'm not going to waste my time trying to talk milk haters into drinking it and they shouldnt waste theirs trying to talk me out of drinking it. :happy:
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Don't even try to school me.
I've been singing for half my life, and have been behind the scenes of the music industry for at least 6 years.
Aside from opera singers (and even then, Sarah Brightman smokes like a chimney), most professional singers don't do diddly squat besides suck on a lemon before a performance.
You don't even know who you're trying to school. Just stop while you're ahead.
And you don't know who you're trying to school, but I agree let's quit fighting because it's silly.0 -
Okay, fair enough but let's discuss this here then. Let's drop the animosity at least for a few minutes. Can we at least agree that a diet made of up 80% "quality" foods (or "clean" if you like) and 20% not so "quality" or "clean" is still going to cover your bases and allow you to live a healthy, fit and, for many athletes, competitive life? It seems to be what you're doing and is at least what I strive for.
I usually shoot for 90/10, but yes, I agree with you completely.
Then on IIFYM, we don't seem to have an argument and I also agree with your approach.
As for milk, I think your concerns with milk are based on popular misconceptions. I've certainly had mine and can't fault you. I'm not a scientist though, but there are two participating in this thread and I think its worth listening to what they have to say.
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I dont need stronger anything Mr. i know everything and like to internet bully.
Ask a nutritionist if our bodies were designed for cows milk. Its not. If you can get nutrients from a source your body can actually break down with ease why settle for something that puts your body into over drive?
Fyi, mentioning breast milk is not ridiculous. I'm sure you sucked on a tit for nutrition so spare me.
You like to "internet bully", Coach Reddy?
Uh, consider yourself reported.
What a HORRIBLE thing to say, dude - you know that isn't allowed here AT ALL!!!
that wasn't my post.................. might wanna re-check that.
Just so we're clear, i don't anyone reported for anything they say to me. Never. I'm not so sensitive that words on the internet hurt my feelings. And it wasn't Coach that said it anyway0 -
(Time out. Let's straighten something out real quick, and then we can all get back to discussing cow milk.)
Almond milk is not really milk. If anything, it's more like almond juice...but even that isn't accurate since it's not actually the juice of an almond. It's water than has been blended with almonds and then the almonds are strained out leaving the water-soluble parts of the almonds behind.
Anyhow, my point is, suggesting almond milk as a substitute for milk is like...it's like suggesting ______ as a substitute for _________.
(...uh, someone help me out here and fill in the blanks.)0 -
http://theprimalparent.com/2012/05/16/additives-almond-milk-how-to-make/
Almond Milk looks worse and worse the more I look at it.. that extra calcium is CHALK!
Calcium Carbonate – This is a non organic, non-living mineral source of calcium and, most of the time, it is just plain chalk! That’s right- you are consuming chalk – the same stuff you use to write on a blackboard. Good luck with that!
Vitamin A Palmitate – This is a synthetic version of vitamin A that is associated with birth defects and bone fractures while providing zero health benefits. Other side effects of this isolated chemical form of vitamin A include tumor enhancement, joint disorders, osteoporosis, extreme dryness of eyes, mouth and skin, enlargement of liver and spleen, and immune suppression. As an added note, vitamin A toxicity, known as hyper-vitaminosis, always results from consuming too much synthetic “purified” vitamin A and never from naturally occurring vitamin A found from natural food sources. Still haven’t thrown out your store-bought “almond milk?”
Vitamin D2 – This synthetic chemical needs to be avoided at all costs as toxicity occurs easily with ingested synthetic D2. This occurs especially in children. In fact, a single dose of synthetic vitamin D of 50mg or greater is toxic for adults. The immediate effect of toxicity is abdominal cramps, nausea, and vomiting. In time, as toxicity builds, the result is a buildup of irreversible deposits of calcium crystals in the soft tissues of the body that damage the heart, lung and kidneys.*
This too..... Geez... But then again, if you look hard enough, EVERYTHING causes cancer.0 -
Don't even try to school me.
I've been singing for half my life, and have been behind the scenes of the music industry for at least 6 years.
Aside from opera singers (and even then, Sarah Brightman smokes like a chimney), most professional singers don't do diddly squat besides suck on a lemon before a performance.
You don't even know who you're trying to school. Just stop while you're ahead.
And you don't know who you're trying to school, but I agree let's quit fighting because it's silly.
I'm incredibly confident that it's just a matter of time before you tell us all of the details about it though.0 -
Don't even try to school me.
I've been singing for half my life, and have been behind the scenes of the music industry for at least 6 years.
Aside from opera singers (and even then, Sarah Brightman smokes like a chimney), most professional singers don't do diddly squat besides suck on a lemon before a performance.
You don't even know who you're trying to school. Just stop while you're ahead.
And you don't know who you're trying to school, but I agree let's quit fighting because it's silly.
I love hearing recordings of people...do you have anything I can listen to?0 -
it's like suggesting ______ as a substitute for _________.
(...uh, someone help me out here and fill in the blanks.)
Boca as a substitute for a ribeye?0 -
Absolutely love it! :bigsmile:The "natural" arguments, of which this is one, are logically fallacious. There is no food at all that is specifically designed to be eaten by adult humans. I don't, for example, ever remember seeing a Shakeology tree.
OP - we're also the only species to watch television, drive cars, build rocketships, use telephones, create and use musical instruments, explore space and a lot of other things. Being at the top of the food chain is a good thing.
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Robin, I love the way you take the 'bro' out of 'science' in these threads!Not true. Humans are fantastically successful because they are generalist omnivores - we eat everything. Including dairy. And if you want to get into a 'designed' debate, there is excellent evidence (referred to above), that natural selection has promoted the adult persistence of the expression of the gene that encodes the enzyme lactase, allowing humans to cleave milk sugar into usable glucose.0 -
Almond milk also has Carrageenan, which I try to stay away from.
Dr. Blaylock says about carrageenan (Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life; pg. 196):
"Carrageenan is a rather new additive. It is a complex polysaccharide extract made from seaweed, and is used as a binding agent. Experimentally, carrageenan is used as an agent to induce intense inflammation in experimental animals. A recent study found that when carrageenan was injected in animals along with a cancer-causing chemical, tumors appeared more rapidly and in significantly higher numbers than in control animals injected with carcinogen alone. The same was seen when human breast cancers were implanted in animals along with carrageenan: the combination made the tumores grow faster and spread more widely than in control animals. As a result, carrageenan is classified as a tumor promotor.
"
As someone who is lactose intolerant and has turned to almond milk as a substitute.... GREAT... Thanks a lot...
You can make your own almond milk and it's actually pretty easy.
You may also be able to find almond Milk without these added ingredients. They aren't because of the almond milk itself, they are added to it during production.0 -
(Time out. Let's straighten something out real quick, and then we can all get back to discussing cow milk.)
Almond milk is not really milk. If anything, it's more like almond juice...but even that isn't accurate since it's not actually the juice of an almond. It's water than has been blended with almonds and then the almonds are strained out leaving the water-soluble parts of the almonds behind.
Anyhow, my point is, suggesting almond milk as a substitute for milk is like...it's like suggesting ______ as a substitute for _________.
(...uh, someone help me out here and fill in the blanks.)
Tang as a substitute for orange juice?0 -
Okay, fair enough but let's discuss this here then. Let's drop the animosity at least for a few minutes. Can we at least agree that a diet made of up 80% "quality" foods (or "clean" if you like) and 20% not so "quality" or "clean" is still going to cover your bases and allow you to live a healthy, fit and, for many athletes, competitive life? It seems to be what you're doing and is at least what I strive for.
I usually shoot for 90/10, but yes, I agree with you completely.
Then on IIFYM, we don't seem to have an argument and I also agree with your approach.
As for milk, I think your concerns with milk are based on popular misconceptions. I've certainly had mine and can't fault you. I'm not a scientist though, but there are two participating in this thread and I think its worth listening to what they have to say.
Does that make sense?
the problem - unfortunately - is that I don't really buy into a lot of what the medical establishment has to say about food. for example, the food pyramid is a horribly misguided and outdated method of determining diet - but for some reason it's still widely accepted as fact.
although I'd love to know who the scientists are so I could value those opinions more highly!
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(Time out. Let's straighten something out real quick, and then we can all get back to discussing cow milk.)
Almond milk is not really milk. If anything, it's more like almond juice...but even that isn't accurate since it's not actually the juice of an almond. It's water than has been blended with almonds and then the almonds are strained out leaving the water-soluble parts of the almonds behind.
Anyhow, my point is, suggesting almond milk as a substitute for milk is like...it's like suggesting ______ as a substitute for _________.
(...uh, someone help me out here and fill in the blanks.)
Okay, so it's something other than cow milk to put in my cereal since cow milk makes me sick. I realize that there's not a such thing as actual "almond milk", but how is this any different than using Equal or Splenda or Stevia or whatever instead of sugar?0 -
You're right it's outdated, that's why they don't use it anymore. They use "my plate" instead.
Okay, fair enough but let's discuss this here then. Let's drop the animosity at least for a few minutes. Can we at least agree that a diet made of up 80% "quality" foods (or "clean" if you like) and 20% not so "quality" or "clean" is still going to cover your bases and allow you to live a healthy, fit and, for many athletes, competitive life? It seems to be what you're doing and is at least what I strive for.
I usually shoot for 90/10, but yes, I agree with you completely.
Then on IIFYM, we don't seem to have an argument and I also agree with your approach.
As for milk, I think your concerns with milk are based on popular misconceptions. I've certainly had mine and can't fault you. I'm not a scientist though, but there are two participating in this thread and I think its worth listening to what they have to say.
Does that make sense?
the problem - unfortunately - is that I don't really buy into a lot of what the medical establishment has to say about food. for example, the food pyramid is a horribly misguided and outdated method of determining diet - but for some reason it's still widely accepted as fact.
although I'd love to know who the scientists are so I could value those opinions more highly!0 -
Just so we're clear, i don't anyone reported for anything they say to me. Never. I'm not so sensitive that words on the internet hurt my feelings. And it wasn't Coach that said it anyway
I noticed that and retracted my post. Either way, no matter who it is - bullying is not cool.....
Carry on....0 -
Not to mention the fact it seems like almond milk gets a boost in popularity because of the fear of lack of calcium in one's diet when this has little calories but still has calcium...But there's so many reasons a person can be deficient in calcium not necessarily because they're not getting enough but because they're not absorbing it.Almond milk also has Carrageenan, which I try to stay away from.
Dr. Blaylock says about carrageenan (Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life; pg. 196):
"Carrageenan is a rather new additive. It is a complex polysaccharide extract made from seaweed, and is used as a binding agent. Experimentally, carrageenan is used as an agent to induce intense inflammation in experimental animals. A recent study found that when carrageenan was injected in animals along with a cancer-causing chemical, tumors appeared more rapidly and in significantly higher numbers than in control animals injected with carcinogen alone. The same was seen when human breast cancers were implanted in animals along with carrageenan: the combination made the tumores grow faster and spread more widely than in control animals. As a result, carrageenan is classified as a tumor promotor.
"
As someone who is lactose intolerant and has turned to almond milk as a substitute.... GREAT... Thanks a lot...
"Availability of Calcium for absorption depends on many dietary factors including the presence of Phosphate, Oxalates, Fats and Phytates which bind Calcium and render it less available for absorption" - http://www.arthritis.co.za/calcium.htm
I also love how milk has 'complete' proteins...and has many of the things needed to absorb calcium.
But as for the Carrageenan...there's always making your own almond milk...or getting whey isolate which is usually over 99% lactose free (check the labels) and is a complete protein (contains all the amino acids a body needs).0 -
(Time out. Let's straighten something out real quick, and then we can all get back to discussing cow milk.)
Almond milk is not really milk. If anything, it's more like almond juice...but even that isn't accurate since it's not actually the juice of an almond. It's water than has been blended with almonds and then the almonds are strained out leaving the water-soluble parts of the almonds behind.
Anyhow, my point is, suggesting almond milk as a substitute for milk is like...it's like suggesting ______ as a substitute for _________.
(...uh, someone help me out here and fill in the blanks.)
Tang as a substitute for orange juice?
Thanks. Yes, ^this.
And sure, if you're orange juice intolerant, and you want to drink an orangey-flavored drink, then you can drink Tang...but it isn't orange juice. (Oh, and there's a pill that costs about 25 cents that will let you enjoy orange juice again.)0 -
(Time out. Let's straighten something out real quick, and then we can all get back to discussing cow milk.)
Almond milk is not really milk. If anything, it's more like almond juice...but even that isn't accurate since it's not actually the juice of an almond. It's water than has been blended with almonds and then the almonds are strained out leaving the water-soluble parts of the almonds behind.
Anyhow, my point is, suggesting almond milk as a substitute for milk is like...it's like suggesting ______ as a substitute for _________.
(...uh, someone help me out here and fill in the blanks.)
All i know is that humans are the only species to make a liquid out of almonds and drink it. Plus we can get all the nutrition of almonds milk from other sources.
Therefore, it is both unnatural and not nutritious.0
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