Doritos are not meth.

PJ64

Wow, this is a button pusher of a post...........*Sits and watches while eating Doritios*

stephdeeable

I'm popping in to just say....everyone is missing the point, but I knew they would.

I'm not saying I'm better than anyone or am mocking anyone, besides myself. I am not judging you. All I'm saying is, I have been there. I know the shame, I know the guilt, I know the vicious cycles. I know how lonely it can be when it feels like no one understands. I was just saying, that most of what we feel about fearing food or feeling addicted to it is in our mind. Changing your thinking will take you a lot farther than changing your diet. And no, I have not conquered it, I work on it each and every day.

It just hurts me to read posts where people say "I ate a brownie and now I feel worthless and hate myself, etc, etc" That's what triggered my OP. Not to push an agenda or mock you.

I don't care if you think I'm a rude *****, because I am. But I really wasn't trying to be one in this post.

petstorekitty

hahahaha! "What a delicious cupcake!!"

Awesome.
I know I'm the kind of person who will eat 3 cupcakes and an entire bag of chips BUT I know I am that person and I accept it and deal with it.
I LOVE McDonald's and Del Taco and they are EVERYWHERE by my office. (wth?) lol
and if I want a burger or a bag of chips that freaking bad, I eat it.

It is stressful learning how to deal with those desires and get balance in your food-life, especially when one first begins their 'weight loss journey' but it's not impossible. I think I spelled that wrong.

It would be cool if Doritos had magical weight loss abilities though.

IF all i eat is a bag of Doritos a day, I will lose weight. (I make myself laugh)

reklawn

I'm popping in to just say....everyone is missing the point, but I knew they would.

I'm not saying I'm better than anyone or am mocking anyone, besides myself. I am not judging you. All I'm saying is, I have been there. I know the shame, I know the guilt, I know the vicious cycles. I know how lonely it can be when it feels like no one understands. I was just saying, that most of what we feel about fearing food or feeling addicted to it is in our mind. Changing your thinking will take you a lot farther than changing your diet. And no, I have not conquered it, I work on it each and every day.

I don't care if you think I'm a rude *****, because I am. But I really wasn't trying to be one in this post.

I don't think there is an issue with the posts. If posting about how the food makes them feel makes them feel better, what's the problem? And who is to say that won't help them change how they feel by talking about it?

nora711

Absolutely brilliant! Loved this!

misslibbyh

I'm popping in to just say....everyone is missing the point, but I knew they would.

I'm not saying I'm better than anyone or am mocking anyone, besides myself. I am not judging you. All I'm saying is, I have been there. I know the shame, I know the guilt, I know the vicious cycles. I know how lonely it can be when it feels like no one understands. I was just saying, that most of what we feel about fearing food or feeling addicted to it is in our mind. Changing your thinking will take you a lot farther than changing your diet. And no, I have not conquered it, I work on it each and every day.

I don't care if you think I'm a rude *****, because I am. But I really wasn't trying to be one in this post.

So you believe you have the same experiences as everyone else? We are all the same? And it really upsets you when people talk about food like it's a drug? Because they should act like you?

What did you expect posting something like that?

Editing to add... Oh you knew EXACTLY what to expect... because you hesitated.

Lesa_Sass

I am a food addict, I don't understand moderation.

That's just an excuse, everyone understands moderation, you just have to say NO to yourself and see it through.
It isn't easy, but it's not impossible if you keep trying.

WOW, just WOW. This is the kind of mindset that kills people. Please do some research into the neuropathways of addicts and their reward system and then tell me that moderation is possible for people.

I am an alcoholic, trust me, I do not want to be. I am physically incapable of drinking in moderation, and I tried for years. It is no different with people that are addicted to sex, gambling or drugs. Food addiction is worse because you must have food to live.

Please PLEASE keep this opinion to yourself next time someone tells you that they are addicted to something and you infer to them that it is an excuse. It really will not hurt you to keep that to yourself, but it could, indeed, hurt the addict.

PLEASE READ

I have had this argument before.

I am a food addict, I don't understand moderation.

That's just an excuse, everyone understands moderation, you just have to say NO to yourself and see it through.
It isn't easy, but it's not impossible if you keep trying.

I'm sorry, but are you a psychiatrist? A medical doctor? If not, perhaps you should not try speaking with authority on topics you do not understand.


It's great that you can eat crap in moderation. Don't shame the people who cannot. It's just plain rude, and it makes you look like a jerk.

I'm sorry? I don't understand, really? I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt & lost the weight, so please, go on & tell me how I do not understand.
No actually, I was saying it in a stern encouraging "it is possible, you can do it" way! No shaming intended.


It's nice to see that after a year MFP still has people who jump the gun & ride high horses.

Dear, you are 19 years old. You are not an expert. I congratulate you on your weight loss; that is no easy feat. It took a lot of effort and insight on your part, and for that, I applaud you.

Just remember that what is true or what works for you is NOT necessarily true for others. I notice you didn't quote or argue with the part of my post that said that food does actually act as a drug for some people, and therefore as an addiction, cannot be controlled with will power alone. You believe that self-knowledge and will power to eat in moderation should be enough for everyone, because they worked for you. That is incorrect.

Telling someone that their addiction is just an excuse most certainly IS shaming, regardless of your intentions. Would you tell an alcoholic that their addiction is just an excuse, and that they should be able to suck it up and have just one drink?

Some of us HAVE to completely refrain from eating certain foods. Period. We do what works for us. You do what works for you. We all lose weight. Yay!

Go back, I posted twice & seems you only saw the accidental post before I had done my proof read & edit.

I said "Being a binge eater, alcoholic, addict of anything, is something you can overcome, you just have to stop making excuses & work at it. "

Addictions cannot be overcome without willpower & over coming them is ENTIRELY willpower, maybe with help & a little push along the way (I never said on your own, help isn't a bad thing but you have to give your all!), but it is all your own willpower to not eat those foods, to not drink that drink, to not take those drugs.

I never said their addiction was an excuse, I said saying you don't understand moderation is an excuse, and it is, because if you say things like that you are going to believe it & end up trapped in your addiction.

I'm sure you're not as much as an expert as you're making yourself out to be either!

LMAO, okay, thanks for you and all of your 19 years on this earth for clarifying that for me.

BWHAHAHAAHAHAAHA

And trust me dear, I am much more of an expert than you think I am.

But now I shall get back to my regularly scheduled life and let you keep knowing everything like most teenagers do. :flowerforyou:

infamousmk

I find it really mature that folks are calling a poster's age in to question regarding their opinions.



... and by "really mature", I mean "immature"

Brianna716

My weakness is cottage cheese with Doritos. I can eat an entire bag of Doritos with a big container of cottage cheese in two days usually. I was nervous about buying more since I started MFP again but I've been able to control myself quite well I measure my cottage cheese and weigh my Doritos, put the containers away and sit down to enjoy my snack- just one serving

Acg67

They are prob worse than meth due to the corn (killed the Mayans), artificial dyes and MSG in them among other nasty things

Corn didn't kill the Mayans. Theories on how their empire collapsed range from an extended drought that happened during the medieval warming period to agricultural pestilence due to irrigation - Irrigation over long periods of time leads to sodium build up in the soil. But we really aren't sure.

In any case.. corn kills people/is worse than meth???? hang on a sec

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH HAH HA HAH AHH HA HA hA ha haaa. oh man that was a good one, keep them coming!!

I will have to lol with you on this one. Really? Corn? MSG? are on the top of your dangerous consumables list?

I honestly cannot comprehend why anyone would think corn killed the Mayans. Corn isn't the problem, it's what has been done to corn that is the problem and the Mayans had no influence on that.

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And that is me leaving out the comparison of corn and meth, because that is just .... enough

I wonder what kills more people, meth overdoses or diseases of civilization? Hmmmm

stephdeeable

I'm popping in to just say....everyone is missing the point, but I knew they would.

I'm not saying I'm better than anyone or am mocking anyone, besides myself. I am not judging you. All I'm saying is, I have been there. I know the shame, I know the guilt, I know the vicious cycles. I know how lonely it can be when it feels like no one understands. I was just saying, that most of what we feel about fearing food or feeling addicted to it is in our mind. Changing your thinking will take you a lot farther than changing your diet. And no, I have not conquered it, I work on it each and every day.

I don't care if you think I'm a rude *****, because I am. But I really wasn't trying to be one in this post.

So you believe you have the same experiences as everyone else? We are all the same? And it really upsets you when people talk about food like it's a drug? Because they should act like you?

What did you expect posting something like that?

No, I am tired of people thinking they are a bad person for eating 1440 calories instead of 1400.

WendyTerry420

Only on MFP would a thread about not shaming yourself turn into "STOP SHAMING ME! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!" Le sigh. I have to go to work now, hopefully this thread isn't nuked before I get home so I can continue to read about how I don't understand what it's like to be fat.

I don't think the issue is that you don't understand what it's like to be fat. Many of us do, or we wouldn't be here. I think the issue is that instead of sharing what works for YOU, you said " food can not own or control us. We have power over our own minds. You are not addicted to chocolate. You are not addicted to carbs." The problem with this phrasing is that some people ARE addicted to certain foods.

Think of it this way: a heavy drinker can often learn to practice moderation and just drink a little bit now and then. This person is obviously not an alcoholic. An alcoholic who is a heavy drinker can NOT learn to drink in moderation. I can never have "just one drink." Because if I do, my brain chemistry changes in a way a non-alcoholic heavy drinker's brain does not. I will continue to drink long past the point I am sick or in danger. So I don't drink at all, and don't keep alcohol around. For many of us, chocolate or carbs, or gluten cause similar changes in brain chemistry.

Addiction is a serious issue, and I am glad you do not suffer from it. But thinking that because you don't means that nobody does is misguided. I appreciate that your post was meant to be motivational. I think that if you had preceded the comment I quoted above with the clause, "Unless you have a legitimate food addiction, " your responses would have been very different.

You either learn to control yourself or you don't. It's not a matter of "what works for some." It's a matter of working to improve your habits until you *can* control yourself.

misslibbyh

I'm popping in to just say....everyone is missing the point, but I knew they would.

I'm not saying I'm better than anyone or am mocking anyone, besides myself. I am not judging you. All I'm saying is, I have been there. I know the shame, I know the guilt, I know the vicious cycles. I know how lonely it can be when it feels like no one understands. I was just saying, that most of what we feel about fearing food or feeling addicted to it is in our mind. Changing your thinking will take you a lot farther than changing your diet. And no, I have not conquered it, I work on it each and every day.

I don't care if you think I'm a rude *****, because I am. But I really wasn't trying to be one in this post.

So you believe you have the same experiences as everyone else? We are all the same? And it really upsets you when people talk about food like it's a drug? Because they should act like you?

What did you expect posting something like that?

No, I am tired of people thinking they are a bad person for eating 1440 calories instead of 1400.

I see... But it sounded very insensitive. I personally feel sorry for people who suffer from any kind of addiction.

newjourney2015

I sat on my couch and crammed about 1500 calories into my mouth in 20 minutes.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

WendyTerry420

They are prob worse than meth due to the corn (killed the Mayans), artificial dyes and MSG in them among other nasty things

Corn didn't kill the Mayans. Theories on how their empire collapsed range from an extended drought that happened during the medieval warming period to agricultural pestilence due to irrigation - Irrigation over long periods of time leads to sodium build up in the soil. But we really aren't sure.

In any case.. corn kills people/is worse than meth???? hang on a sec

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH HAH HA HAH AHH HA HA hA ha haaa. oh man that was a good one, keep them coming!!

I will have to lol with you on this one. Really? Corn? MSG? are on the top of your dangerous consumables list?

I honestly cannot comprehend why anyone would think corn killed the Mayans. Corn isn't the problem, it's what has been done to corn that is the problem and the Mayans had no influence on that.

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And that is me leaving out the comparison of corn and meth, because that is just .... enough

I wonder what kills more people, meth overdoses or diseases of civilization? Hmmmm

That's an excellent point. It is actually pretty rare to die of a meth overdose. You would have to be shooting up massive quantities to die from it.

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jiggy_gibby

According to OP, it all boils down to "will power".... wow....

Brianna716

LMAO, okay, thanks for you and all of your 19 years on this earth for clarifying that for me.

BWHAHAHAAHAHAAHA

And trust me dear, I am much more of an expert than you think I am.

But now I shall get back to my regularly scheduled life and let you keep knowing everything like most teenagers do. :flowerforyou:

Wow. Look at you... putting down people for their age. Real classy- I automatically respect everything you say now! :yawn:

Lisah8969

If someone is bringing cupcakes into your office and you don't want it...SEND IT TO ME!!!!

pocodonn

Truth.

trojanbb

According to OP, it all boils down to "will power".... wow....

Umm. It does. Every food craving can be controlled with enough discipline. You think your craving and urges are bad? Go speak with a professional bodybuilder or fitness model right before a show. They have it MUCH worse and they best of them never stray from their course.

reklawn

They are prob worse than meth due to the corn (killed the Mayans), artificial dyes and MSG in them among other nasty things

Corn didn't kill the Mayans. Theories on how their empire collapsed range from an extended drought that happened during the medieval warming period to agricultural pestilence due to irrigation - Irrigation over long periods of time leads to sodium build up in the soil. But we really aren't sure.

In any case.. corn kills people/is worse than meth???? hang on a sec

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH HAH HA HAH AHH HA HA hA ha haaa. oh man that was a good one, keep them coming!!

I will have to lol with you on this one. Really? Corn? MSG? are on the top of your dangerous consumables list?

I honestly cannot comprehend why anyone would think corn killed the Mayans. Corn isn't the problem, it's what has been done to corn that is the problem and the Mayans had no influence on that.

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And that is me leaving out the comparison of corn and meth, because that is just .... enough

I wonder what kills more people, meth overdoses or diseases of civilization? Hmmmm

Obviously if you are talking wide scale destruction, it would be disease. But simply comparing how one reacts eating a bag of Doritos vs. having an addiction to meth, pretty sure meth is going to be a little more dangerous and life threatening.

WendyTapley

I cannot tell you how much I ADORE you and your post! Brilliant and strikingly REAL!! KUDOS!!!

misslibbyh

According to OP, it all boils down to "will power".... wow....

Right... and if you think happy thoughts you can fly. lol

She might be partially right... i mean... it does take quite a bit of willpower... but if people need to avoid certain foods in order to maintain willpower then it's a valuable tactic. I disagree with her approach in that sense. I understand how chemicals work in the brain so I know better. It takes time to overcome and people need to use whatever coping skills they have.

stephdeeable

According to OP, it all boils down to "will power".... wow....

Mmm..I was mostly trying to make the point that our mind is very strong. Saying "I can't control myself around sweets" is a great way to convince yourself you can't control yourself around sweets. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

Also, to forgive yourself for mistakes. I binged the other night. I am not a worthless fat loser, I am someone who made a decision that they later regretted. I thought about it, and then moved on. I just want people to be nicer to themselves really.

Acg67

According to OP, it all boils down to "will power".... wow....

Yup, wow indeed, doesn't she know that the #1 cause of people failing with their diets is being force fed against their will?

nikbolok

True! Oh man anything with chips, salt and seasoning are my weakness!!!!!!!! I really could binge on them all day and feel horrid but satisfied I don't keep em in house because they would be go-to food instead of goods. I know my limits

drojen

I completely agree. We have folks at my work complain about what people bring in because they're "on a diet". I'm sorry, ever heard of self control - no one forces you to eat it. If I want it, I eat it, I log it, I move on. If I want to bring in a big ol' cake because it's MY birthday, then that's what I'm going to do. It's gotten ridiculous - folks feel obligated to bring in veggie and fruit trays plus sweets so they can satisfy everyone. Not me. I go to the day old rack, find what I can, stick in the freezer for a few days (to keep it fresh, LOLOLOL) and haul it out for my birthday.

That said, I'm in the early days of changing my life right now. I'm not on a diet, I'm trying to eat better, exercise and change my mind set about food. So, in order to do that, I'm keeping tempation out of the house. I figure if I want it so bad I'm willing to throw on the winter coat, hat, scarf, mitts, boots and jump in the car, warm it up and drive somewhere in the freezing cold to get it - then I must have really wanted it. So far, I haven't found myself tearing down the road, with my head stuck out the window because the windshield is frosted over, to the store with my nightgown caught in the door......

We make our own choices, people. If you make the choice to eat it, own it and move on. Tomorrow is another day.

islandbeauty81

Now I want Cool Ranch Doritos...mmmm....

Love cool ranch Doritos.

jiggy_gibby

According to OP, it all boils down to "will power".... wow....

Umm. It does. Every food craving can be controlled with enough discipline. You think your craving and urges are bad? Go speak with a professional bodybuilder or fitness model right before a show. They have it MUCH worse and they best of them never stray from their course.

To say it all due to will power is ignoring biochemistry and psychological roots of addiction. Food addiction is real. I agree with some of what OP said (people should not freak out for going over their calorie goal on any given day), just not in manner in which she said the rest.