Health concerns about dairy products
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If that article is what you consider research, you need to lern more about science.
The article does not link dairy to osteoporosis, it says that it may not help. You drew your conclusion using the same faulty logic that the author uses. All of the studies cited are based on correlation and few to none of them draw the same conclusions as your author does.
does smoking cause cancer?
because those studies only found a correlation as well. there's almost no way for a scientific study to prove causation, just a very high level of correlation, as exists with dairy products.0 -
I don't eat nearly as much dairy as I used to either. Don't drink milk anymore and my animal products in general are very, very limited. Working towards 80% vegan - the 20% being what I can't be in control of 100% of the time. Since I cut way back I don't have the joint pain that I used to. That is proof enough for me. I am a follower of Eat to Live by Dr. Joel Fuhrman. He has compiled research over the last 20 years or so and has used the research in his private practice to overcome heart disease, type two diabetes, autoimmune diseases, and even cancer. A lot of these things are brought on by eating animal products. I don't have a specific article to refer you to but his website www.drfuhrman.com and www diseaseproof.com are loaded with information regarding this very topic. As for propaganda? I believe it has been the meat and dairy industry leading the way for decades. The quiet little voice in the dark can be read on vegetable packages when you buy bagged veggies to eat 5 a day for better health, etc. Mother Nature knows best. Dr. Fuhrman isn't so bad either. Lots of people like to bash on this topic, but good for you for putting it out there.
I would have to agree with you. The meat and dairy industries have certainly been pushing for us to continue consuming their products.
Many people say that after cutting dairy from their diet, they feel better overall. In fact, a lot of people have seemed to overcome certain diseases and pains because of it. While I agree it has a lot of vitamins, I also think there are several other places you can get those vitamins.
"if milk was bad, woman would not produce it for their babies." Really? That's your argument?
Humans are the only species who continue to drink milk as adults. Women produce milk to feed their babies so they can grow. This goes for all animals that produce milk. However, humans don't stop consuming dairy after they're babies. Are we doing it wrong? I'm not a doctor.
Personally, I prefer to stay away from most dairy. I enjoy a yogurt in the morning or as a snack, but I try not to load up on it. I also agree that while vegetarians/vegans are against dairy and/or meats, I think a lot of them are healthier than people who do eat those things. The vegans/vegetarians who do it correctly, have lower cholesterol, less health problems, and are at an ideal weight. Just my opinion. Of course there are overweight vegetarians. I am speaking of the vegetarians who do it correctly and learned how to eat a healthy vegetarian diet without leaning on pastas and fries for their main meals.
Again...just MY opinion!0 -
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Thank you cow milk for making both of these means Epic!!
hot dogs + sharp cheddar + lean hamburg + Thick cut hickory bacon + Sweet Baby rays bbq sauce + TURTLE BURGERS!
Check it out! Last night I made home made mac n cheese with bacon bits stuffed jalapeno meatloaf wrapped in apple cider cured BACON!! It...was...epic!!!!
you need to stop.0 -
PCRM is basically a radical animal rights group promoting a vegan diet for everyone, so it makes sense that they're against milk. Their "scientific" studies are heavily funded by groups like PETA, but more often they just pick information out of context from other studies, and apply it to whatever point they're trying to prove. If you follow sources and fact-check, you'll see what I mean.
WebMd glosses over some risks of dairy as well. They mention that it doesn't really strengthen bones and has high risk for prostate cancer with the only benefits being it's high potassium, calcium and vitamin D which are all easily found in healthier sources.
http://www.webmd.com/diet/healthy-kitchen-11/dairy-truths
I will follow the sources and fact check, but I personally am more likely to believe this. My health is a more important investment to me than buying a car or house, because this is the only life I have. I would rather not cut it short by ignoring everything I read that may seem controversial or inconvenient. And radical doesn't always = wrong, but you're right, you can't believe everything you read.0 -
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis
lolno, dairy is one of the best sources of calcium out there, far more digestible than vegetable sources.
Some people need to feel "pure" in their eating... I get it. I'm gonna die of something else anyway, I might as well not GIVE myself osteoporosis by avoiding dairy. Also, yogurt saved my fracking life in Egypt when I came down with an intestinal bug. That and plain potato chips. Yup. I couldn't keep down water until I finally got some good bacteria and some salt in my system.0 -
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis
lolno, dairy is one of the best sources of calcium out there, far more digestible than vegetable sources.
and that doesn't mean it helps prevent osteoporosis. because it doesn't.
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Thank you cow milk for making both of these means Epic!!
hot dogs + sharp cheddar + lean hamburg + Thick cut hickory bacon + Sweet Baby rays bbq sauce + TURTLE BURGERS!
Check it out! Last night I made home made mac n cheese with bacon bits stuffed jalapeno meatloaf wrapped in apple cider cured BACON!! It...was...epic!!!!
Thanks for posting these pics! YUMMMM!!!!0 -
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis
lolno, dairy is one of the best sources of calcium out there, far more digestible than vegetable sources.
and that doesn't mean it helps prevent osteoporosis. because it doesn't.
My disease is good at giving me osteoporosis... and no amount of you harping about it is going to change me from eating nonfat plain yogurt on a daily basis.0 -
Thank you cow milk for making both of these means Epic!!
hot dogs + sharp cheddar + lean hamburg + Thick cut hickory bacon + Sweet Baby rays bbq sauce + TURTLE BURGERS!
Check it out! Last night I made home made mac n cheese with bacon bits stuffed jalapeno meatloaf wrapped in apple cider cured BACON!! It...was...epic!!!!
This is immature. I suppose you want a cookie or something?0 -
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis
lolno, dairy is one of the best sources of calcium out there, far more digestible than vegetable sources.
and that doesn't mean it helps prevent osteoporosis. because it doesn't.
My disease is good at giving me osteoporosis... and no amount of you harping about it is going to change me from eating nonfat plain yogurt on a daily basis.
hey if you don't want to explore every option there is to potentially heal you, that's your choice! 0 -
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis
lolno, dairy is one of the best sources of calcium out there, far more digestible than vegetable sources.
and that doesn't mean it helps prevent osteoporosis. because it doesn't.
My disease is good at giving me osteoporosis... and no amount of you harping about it is going to change me from eating nonfat plain yogurt on a daily basis.
hey if you don't want to explore every option there is to potentially heal you, that's your choice!
The studies on Bifidobacterium were enough to sway me. There are reasons to eat yogurt that include the critters that live in it. Bifido is shown in more than one study to help celiac disease, and it is the bacteria that is most prevalent in human breast milk -- which is speculated to be a difference between children who get celiac vs. children who do not. As I can't go back in time to get mother's milk in my mid 40s, I can get it from dairy sources.0 -
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis
lolno, dairy is one of the best sources of calcium out there, far more digestible than vegetable sources.
and that doesn't mean it helps prevent osteoporosis. because it doesn't.
My disease is good at giving me osteoporosis... and no amount of you harping about it is going to change me from eating nonfat plain yogurt on a daily basis.
I had a coconut milk yogurt this morning that was very high in calcium (and high in phosphorus which is also needed for strong bones). Tastes the same.0 -
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis
lolno, dairy is one of the best sources of calcium out there, far more digestible than vegetable sources.
and that doesn't mean it helps prevent osteoporosis. because it doesn't.
My disease is good at giving me osteoporosis... and no amount of you harping about it is going to change me from eating nonfat plain yogurt on a daily basis.
hey if you don't want to explore every option there is to potentially heal you, that's your choice!
No one, not even the OPs article, is saying that dairy will make osteoporosis worse. The studies on whether or not it helps prevent fractures are still mixed, but starting to lean towards no. Even then, I have only read for one study that accounted for activity levels and that was done on teenage girls, not middle aged women.0 -
Personally I don't drink milk. Makes me all phlegmy and I think it tastes gross. I love me some almond milk though.
As for cheese... Well you're going to have to pry that out of my cold dead hands.0 -
I had a coconut milk yogurt this morning that was very high in calcium (and high in phosphorus which is also needed for strong bones). Tastes the same.
No Bifido. I deliberately eat yogurt that is cultured with Bifido.
I eat coconut products too, but for different reason, and in different ways. I still eat yogurt with them. I won't stop eating yogurt, but if you are happy eating what you eat, great. Not saying you should eat like me, and your way may not work for me, either.0 -
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis
lolno, dairy is one of the best sources of calcium out there, far more digestible than vegetable sources.
and that doesn't mean it helps prevent osteoporosis. because it doesn't.
My disease is good at giving me osteoporosis... and no amount of you harping about it is going to change me from eating nonfat plain yogurt on a daily basis.
hey if you don't want to explore every option there is to potentially heal you, that's your choice!
The studies on Bifidobacterium were enough to sway me. There are reasons to eat yogurt that include the critters that live in it. Bifido is shown in more than one study to help celiac disease, and it is the bacteria that is most prevalent in human breast milk -- which is speculated to be a difference between children who get celiac vs. children who do not. As I can't go back in time to get mother's milk in my mid 40s, I can get it from dairy sources.
absolutely - pre and probiotics are hugely important. fortunately they don't only exist in yogurt.0 -
Thank you cow milk for making both of these means Epic!!
hot dogs + sharp cheddar + lean hamburg + Thick cut hickory bacon + Sweet Baby rays bbq sauce + TURTLE BURGERS!
Check it out! Last night I made home made mac n cheese with bacon bits stuffed jalapeno meatloaf wrapped in apple cider cured BACON!! It...was...epic!!!!
you need to stop.
Does this mean I should hold off on the chili pic?0 -
Check it out! Last night I made home made mac n cheese with bacon bits stuffed jalapeno meatloaf wrapped in apple cider cured BACON!! It...was...epic!!!!
Can I haz sum??!?!?
That looks ridiculously yummy.0 -
he relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-10 -
absolutely - pre and probiotics are hugely important. fortunately they don't only exist in yogurt.
While that is true, my diet is restricted enough already with gluten free. Vegans who don't have a disease which restricts them, don't have such a limited palette to choose from.0 -
PCRM?0
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This is just from personal experience - no research, no science. Just going by what has happened in my own and my family members' lives...
Most of the problems with dairy seemed to be from allergies. Many people have allergies to dairy though some are very mild. My dairy allergy causes me to be mucousy after eating it and, if I eat it while I have a cold I use double the Kleenexes.
My sister-in-law has a severe dairy allergy that was diagnosed by a doctor after causing damage to her intestines.
My brother-in-law gets horrible acne if he consumes dairy.
Both of my children were intolerant of dairy as babies - to the point where I had to remove it from my diet while breastfeeding until they were six months old.
My husband's GP says to limit all dairy consumption. There are actually far better sources of calcium. My children's pediatrician still says they should get at least 20oz of cow's milk per day.
With all of that - unless of extreme allergy like my SIL and BIL, we consume dairy in moderation. Good luck finding what works for you.0 -
Thank you cow milk for making both of these means Epic!!
hot dogs + sharp cheddar + lean hamburg + Thick cut hickory bacon + Sweet Baby rays bbq sauce + TURTLE BURGERS!
Check it out! Last night I made home made mac n cheese with bacon bits stuffed jalapeno meatloaf wrapped in apple cider cured BACON!! It...was...epic!!!!
This is immature. I suppose you want a cookie or something?
Cookies and milk FTW!
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Association of beverage consumption with obesity in Mexican American children.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/233083950 -
Fist rule of research?
Don't believe everything you hear.
Second rule?
Peer reviewed studies are much more reliable.
Fun fact?
For almost every study saying one thing, you can find another saying the opposite
^^Truth!!0 -
Dairy is an excellent source of Calcium, Vitamin D3, Protein and natural fats. Being severely lactose intolerant I don't get to each much of it daily but when I did as a kid/teen I was always healthy, had strong bones and built muscle quite easily and I generally consumed a litre a day.
I don't now obviously and have spent a number of years being Calcium and Vitamind D3 deficient (among other nutrient deficiencies) and I have noticed a large change in my body, not only do I break things much easier (fractured my ankle in two places slipping on ice, no jokes) but I have noticed my tooth enamel isn't as strong and they are becoming sensitive. What I didn't know was that calcium helps to maintain enamel and bone density among other things.
So in other words losing that great source of calcium certainly doesn't look like it's for the best unless you learn to properly supplement for what you are not getting.0 -
he relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1
That's an interesting study, but the reason for nonfat dairy is just that it is lower calories and higher protein. I still eat enough fat, even dairy fat. But why have full fat yogurt when I would rather have a limited amount of a full fat cheese with my nonfat variety? 0 -
I felt I should share this with everyone. I've been doing a lot of research lately on the goods and bads of what we eat and this article really stuck out to me since I recently cut dairy out of my diet. Worth the read and cites all it's sources although I haven't checked them out yet.
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease, cancer & diabetes. It also cites dairy as being a common dietary trigger of migraines and arthritis pain, acne, & possibility food allergies and colic in infants and children...+more
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-products
If anyone else has come across other informative sources about dairy I would love to read them.
http://www.truthaboutabs.com/2-foods-beware-weight-gain.html
I came across this a few weeks ago. There are 2 parts to this......Wheat & Dairy. Figured you would be interested in the Dairy portion. I think they key is not removing ALL dairy, but figuring out which dairy products are good and which are potentially harmful.0 -
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis
lolno, dairy is one of the best sources of calcium out there, far more digestible than vegetable sources.
and that doesn't mean it helps prevent osteoporosis. because it doesn't.
My disease is good at giving me osteoporosis... and no amount of you harping about it is going to change me from eating nonfat plain yogurt on a daily basis.
hey if you don't want to explore every option there is to potentially heal you, that's your choice!
No one, not even the OPs article, is saying that dairy will make osteoporosis worse. The studies on whether or not it helps prevent fractures are still mixed, but starting to lean towards no. Even then, I have only read for one study that accounted for activity levels and that was done on teenage girls, not middle aged women.
You're right. I didn't say that correctly. My bad.0
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