Health concerns about dairy products
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Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Do not even get me started on the GOV and FDA. DO YOUR RESERCH PEOPLE. If the government cared about you they would not put Monsanto a pesticide company in charge of the FDA. Do your research in to Monsanto and all the great chemicals they have given to us DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, and recombinant bovine somatotropin to name a few. Now 80% of the food we get are genetically modified. These are the people making the GMO food that you fuel your body with. The food you feed your kids.
WAKE THE FAWK UP!!!
Tinfoil hat much? And how does an inanimate being run the FDA?
why do you support/defend/believe the FDA?0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Do not even get me started on the GOV and FDA. DO YOUR RESERCH PEOPLE. If the government cared about you they would not put Monsanto a pesticide company in charge of the FDA. Do your research in to Monsanto and all the great chemicals they have given to us DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, and recombinant bovine somatotropin to name a few. Now 80% of the food we get are genetically modified. These are the people making the GMO food that you fuel your body with. The food you feed your kids.
WAKE THE FAWK UP!!!
Tinfoil hat much? And how does an inanimate being run the FDA?
why do you support/defend/believe the FDA?
Because I'm sponsored by Big Ag and Dairy0 -
My dog got sick and threw up on a walk. Went by that same spot later and he tried to eat his own vomit a week later. That doesn't mean it is good for him! = DRegardless of any studies, humans are the ONLY species in the world that continues to consume milk past infancy and the ONLY species to consume the milk of ANOTHER species.
No we're not. Lots of animals will consume it when given the chance. Just because they haven't figured out how to milk the other species yet, doesn't mean they wouldn't if they could. Do other species brew coffee to drink, or grind their meat to make neat little patties that will fit on a bun, or cure and smoke pork belly to eat with their fried chicken embryos, or do any of a million other cooking and eating techiniques we humans do? No, but they probably all wish they could.
^^^ This! Pretty sure my cats (and even the dog) would jump at the chance to drink milk... In fact, pretty sure I have seen them drink from the glass when left unattended.
Eh while this is true.... But my point is, that yes, other animals can and do drink other animals milk.... given the chance. Whether it's good for you or not is up for debate. I don't let my animals drink milk, not because it's not good for them perse (pretty sure the canned food is worse for them actually) but because like humans they lose their lactase enzymes as well and become lactose intolerant.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that it's not the milk itself that's bad... it's all the other crap they put into it to make it bad... It can take several days for raw milk to be processed as well... Personally, I only buy and consume dairy products that are made and processed locally or semi-locally and without antibiotics or hormones in it.0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Do not even get me started on the GOV and FDA. DO YOUR RESERCH PEOPLE. If the government cared about you they would not put Monsanto a pesticide company in charge of the FDA. Do your research in to Monsanto and all the great chemicals they have given to us DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, and recombinant bovine somatotropin to name a few. Now 80% of the food we get are genetically modified. These are the people making the GMO food that you fuel your body with. The food you feed your kids.
WAKE THE FAWK UP!!!
Tinfoil hat much? And how does an inanimate being run the FDA?
why do you support/defend/believe the FDA?
Because I'm sponsored by Big Ag and Dairy
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I eat some cheese now and then but the human body is simply not meant to process diary after the age of 2. This is coming from possibly the biggest milk and cheese fan there is. Everything in moderation though, sometimes it is too tempting to resist.
No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true.
Lactase persistence exists in people of northern European ancestry.
http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000491
Abstract
Lactase persistence (LP) is common among people of European ancestry, but with the exception of some African, Middle Eastern and southern Asian groups, is rare or absent elsewhere in the world. Lactase gene haplotype conservation around a polymorphism strongly associated with LP in Europeans (−13,910 C/T) indicates that the derived allele is recent in origin and has been subject to strong positive selection. Furthermore, ancient DNA work has shown that the −13,910*T (derived) allele was very rare or absent in early Neolithic central Europeans. It is unlikely that LP would provide a selective advantage without a supply of fresh milk, and this has lead to a gene-culture coevolutionary model where lactase persistence is only favoured in cultures practicing dairying, and dairying is more favoured in lactase persistent populations.
yes, white folk are better at digesting dairy because our bodies evolved to do so after being force fed it for thousands of years.
asians, africans, indians, etc, etc, etc are all not nearly as well equipped to digest milk as people of european descent which proves two things
1) our bodies weren't originally designed to digest dairy
2) our bodies have evolved to be better at it over the years, though we're still not "meant" to drink it. our bodies simply tolerate it better
Do you see the fallacy? You are arguing that evolution is somehow bad, that we should be the way we were way in a fictional past. Trust me, there weren't any vegans in the harsh climate of Northern Europe during the Neolithic.
If you are vegan for ethical issues, fine. But the past is not a reason to hold this opinion.
i'm not a vegan.
also, i didn't say evolution was bad in any respect! i simply said that we TOLERATE it better, which doesn't mean we NEED it.
We don't need any one particular food. But when you are living in a harsh climate and food is not easy to get, you get what you can. You were a bit judgemental about those early farmers, "forced to drink cows milk"
What should they do? They don't get enough sunlight during the winter, you do what you can to survive. That's life. Lots of people haven't been face to face with the harshness of life in a while.0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Broccoli is healthy, but if you have a clotting disorder related to Vitamin K, it's not so good.
Moral? Everybody's body is different, and what's good for one person isn't always good for another.
I have a hard time with Broccoli and Cabbage. My body doesn't digest it very well. (( scene with Sheldon Cooper thinking he has to remove his appendix comes to mind , instead he just has gas from consuming brussel sprouts, haha))
My point with this wasn't that you must have broccoli, but that if the government cared so much about our health, how come they don't subsidize fruit and vegetable growers? How come LeBron James isn't in an ad promoting apples?0 -
PCRM is basically a radical animal rights group promoting a vegan diet for everyone, so it makes sense that they're against milk. Their "scientific" studies are heavily funded by groups like PETA, but more often they just pick information out of context from other studies, and apply it to whatever point they're trying to prove. If you follow sources and fact-check, you'll see what I mean.
^^^ THIS.0 -
Personally I don't drink milk. Makes me all phlegmy and I think it tastes gross. I love me some almond milk though.
As for cheese... Well you're going to have to pry that out of my cold dead hands.0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Do not even get me started on the GOV and FDA. DO YOUR RESERCH PEOPLE. If the government cared about you they would not put Monsanto a pesticide company in charge of the FDA. Do your research in to Monsanto and all the great chemicals they have given to us DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, and recombinant bovine somatotropin to name a few. Now 80% of the food we get are genetically modified. These are the people making the GMO food that you fuel your body with. The food you feed your kids.
WAKE THE FAWK UP!!!
Tinfoil hat much? And how does an inanimate being run the FDA?
It does not take a tinfoil hat or a genius to figure it out.
Who is Monsanto - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
Google - Revolving door Monsanto &US GOV
Obama appointed Michael Taylor as a senior adviser for the FDA. Taylor had formerly served as a vice president for Monsanto. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/monsanto-petition-tells-obama-cease-fda-ties-to-monsanto/2012/01/30/gIQAA9dZcQ_blog.html0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Yeah, I've always wondered why milk gets so much advertising space and nothing else 'healthy' does. They just spent millions on that commercial during the superbowl, and it's not because they care about our health because they don't.0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Broccoli is healthy, but if you have a clotting disorder related to Vitamin K, it's not so good.
Moral? Everybody's body is different, and what's good for one person isn't always good for another.
I have a hard time with Broccoli and Cabbage. My body doesn't digest it very well. (( scene with Sheldon Cooper thinking he has to remove his appendix comes to mind , instead he just has gas from consuming brussel sprouts, haha))
My point with this wasn't that you must have broccoli, but that if the government cared so much about our health, how come they don't subsidize fruit and vegetable growers? How come LeBron James isn't in an ad promoting apples?
True! It's all about who is in DC lobbying the Government & whatever the FDA wants to highlight. I remember reading how the highest subsidies goes to corn growers, wheat growers, etc. (mostly foods loaded with carbs).0 -
Tinfoil hat much? And how does an inanimate being run the FDA?
I also want to know how the FDA relates to the rest of the world.0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Broccoli is healthy, but if you have a clotting disorder related to Vitamin K, it's not so good.
Moral? Everybody's body is different, and what's good for one person isn't always good for another.
I have a hard time with Broccoli and Cabbage. My body doesn't digest it very well. (( scene with Sheldon Cooper thinking he has to remove his appendix comes to mind , instead he just has gas from consuming brussel sprouts, haha))
My point with this wasn't that you must have broccoli, but that if the government cared so much about our health, how come they don't subsidize fruit and vegetable growers? How come LeBron James isn't in an ad promoting apples?
True! It's all about who is in DC lobbying the Government & whatever the FDA wants to highlight. I remember reading how the highest subsidies goes to corn growers, wheat growers, etc. (mostly foods loaded with carbs).
Yes! And, interestingly enough, most of that corn gets turned into high fructose corn syrup...0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Broccoli is healthy, but if you have a clotting disorder related to Vitamin K, it's not so good.
Moral? Everybody's body is different, and what's good for one person isn't always good for another.
I have a hard time with Broccoli and Cabbage. My body doesn't digest it very well. (( scene with Sheldon Cooper thinking he has to remove his appendix comes to mind , instead he just has gas from consuming brussel sprouts, haha))
My point with this wasn't that you must have broccoli, but that if the government cared so much about our health, how come they don't subsidize fruit and vegetable growers? How come LeBron James isn't in an ad promoting apples?
I personally have a hard time believing in most things that celebrities are promoting.0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Do not even get me started on the GOV and FDA. DO YOUR RESERCH PEOPLE. If the government cared about you they would not put Monsanto a pesticide company in charge of the FDA. Do your research in to Monsanto and all the great chemicals they have given to us DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, and recombinant bovine somatotropin to name a few. Now 80% of the food we get are genetically modified. These are the people making the GMO food that you fuel your body with. The food you feed your kids.
WAKE THE FAWK UP!!!
Tinfoil hat much? And how does an inanimate being run the FDA?
It does not take a tinfoil hat or a genius to figure it out.
Who is Monsanto - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
Google - Revolving door Monsanto &US GOV
Obama appointed Michael Taylor as a senior adviser for the FDA. Taylor had formerly served as a vice president for Monsanto. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/monsanto-petition-tells-obama-cease-fda-ties-to-monsanto/2012/01/30/gIQAA9dZcQ_blog.html
Hmmm Micheal Taylor = Margaret Hamburg?
http://www.fda.gov/aboutfda/commissionerspage/default.htm
Strong conspiracy theory is strong0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Yeah, I've always wondered why milk gets so much advertising space and nothing else 'healthy' does. They just spent millions on that commercial during the superbowl, and it's not because they care about our health because they don't.
The government paid for a Super Bowl commercial?0 -
I eat some cheese now and then but the human body is simply not meant to process diary after the age of 2. This is coming from possibly the biggest milk and cheese fan there is. Everything in moderation though, sometimes it is too tempting to resist.
No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true.
Lactase persistence exists in people of northern European ancestry.
http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000491
Abstract
Lactase persistence (LP) is common among people of European ancestry, but with the exception of some African, Middle Eastern and southern Asian groups, is rare or absent elsewhere in the world. Lactase gene haplotype conservation around a polymorphism strongly associated with LP in Europeans (−13,910 C/T) indicates that the derived allele is recent in origin and has been subject to strong positive selection. Furthermore, ancient DNA work has shown that the −13,910*T (derived) allele was very rare or absent in early Neolithic central Europeans. It is unlikely that LP would provide a selective advantage without a supply of fresh milk, and this has lead to a gene-culture coevolutionary model where lactase persistence is only favoured in cultures practicing dairying, and dairying is more favoured in lactase persistent populations.
yes, white folk are better at digesting dairy because our bodies evolved to do so after being force fed it for thousands of years.
asians, africans, indians, etc, etc, etc are all not nearly as well equipped to digest milk as people of european descent which proves two things
1) our bodies weren't originally designed to digest dairy
2) our bodies have evolved to be better at it over the years, though we're still not "meant" to drink it. our bodies simply tolerate it better
Do you see the fallacy? You are arguing that evolution is somehow bad, that we should be the way we were way in a fictional past. Trust me, there weren't any vegans in the harsh climate of Northern Europe during the Neolithic.
If you are vegan for ethical issues, fine. But the past is not a reason to hold this opinion.
i'm not a vegan.
also, i didn't say evolution was bad in any respect! i simply said that we TOLERATE it better, which doesn't mean we NEED it.
We don't need any one particular food. But when you are living in a harsh climate and food is not easy to get, you get what you can. You were a bit judgemental about those early farmers, "forced to drink cows milk"
What should they do? They don't get enough sunlight during the winter, you do what you can to survive. That's life. Lots of people haven't been face to face with the harshness of life in a while.
lol i didn't make any judgments about them - i was simply stating a fact that people of european descent handle dairy better than anyone else in the world.
and I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make here.... are you equating yourself with these "early farmers"? Do you live in a harsh climate where you have to do what you can to survive? I'm confused.0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Do not even get me started on the GOV and FDA. DO YOUR RESERCH PEOPLE. If the government cared about you they would not put Monsanto a pesticide company in charge of the FDA. Do your research in to Monsanto and all the great chemicals they have given to us DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, and recombinant bovine somatotropin to name a few. Now 80% of the food we get are genetically modified. These are the people making the GMO food that you fuel your body with. The food you feed your kids.
WAKE THE FAWK UP!!!
Tinfoil hat much? And how does an inanimate being run the FDA?
It does not take a tinfoil hat or a genius to figure it out.
Who is Monsanto - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
Google - Revolving door Monsanto &US GOV
Obama appointed Michael Taylor as a senior adviser for the FDA. Taylor had formerly served as a vice president for Monsanto. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/monsanto-petition-tells-obama-cease-fda-ties-to-monsanto/2012/01/30/gIQAA9dZcQ_blog.html
Hmmm Micheal Taylor = Margaret Hamburg?
http://www.fda.gov/aboutfda/commissionerspage/default.htm
Strong conspiracy theory is strong
yeah... you're not doing too well here:Michael R. Taylor is the Deputy Commissioner for Foods at the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Do not even get me started on the GOV and FDA. DO YOUR RESERCH PEOPLE. If the government cared about you they would not put Monsanto a pesticide company in charge of the FDA. Do your research in to Monsanto and all the great chemicals they have given to us DDT, PCBs, Agent Orange, and recombinant bovine somatotropin to name a few. Now 80% of the food we get are genetically modified. These are the people making the GMO food that you fuel your body with. The food you feed your kids.
WAKE THE FAWK UP!!!
Tinfoil hat much? And how does an inanimate being run the FDA?
It does not take a tinfoil hat or a genius to figure it out.
Who is Monsanto - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto
Google - Revolving door Monsanto &US GOV
Obama appointed Michael Taylor as a senior adviser for the FDA. Taylor had formerly served as a vice president for Monsanto. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/monsanto-petition-tells-obama-cease-fda-ties-to-monsanto/2012/01/30/gIQAA9dZcQ_blog.html
Hmmm Micheal Taylor = Margaret Hamburg?
http://www.fda.gov/aboutfda/commissionerspage/default.htm
Strong conspiracy theory is strong
yeah... you're not doing too well here:Michael R. Taylor is the Deputy Commissioner for Foods at the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
Strong reading comprehension0
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