Health concerns about dairy products
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Vegans would never understand what that means.
Veganism is to nutrition as creationism is to biology.Science starts out with a hypothesis. The PCRM starts out with a conclusion: "meat bad," and then they cherry-pick and obfuscate in every way possible to suit their pre-drawn conclusion, based on their fundamentalist belief in the infallibility of veganism. True science goes where the data leads... it does not lead the data. If you think there is anything objective about their work, you are gravely mistaken.
I wonder if there's already a website called "vegans say the darndest things."0 -
I'm pretty sure one of the rules of the board is not to bash other people's dietary choices right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.0
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I'm pretty sure one of the rules of the board is not to bash other people's dietary choices right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.
Okay to bash their religious choices though, eh?0 -
I'm pretty sure one of the rules of the board is not to bash other people's dietary choices right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.
Okay to bash their religious choices though, eh?Veganism is to nutrition as creationism is to biology.
I wonder if there's already a website called "vegans say the darndest things."0 -
I'm pretty sure one of the rules of the board is not to bash other people's dietary choices right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.
Okay to bash their religious choices though, eh?Veganism is to nutrition as creationism is to biology.
I wonder if there's already a website called "vegans say the darndest things."
???creationism is based in ignorance. so really...0 -
I'm pretty sure one of the rules of the board is not to bash other people's dietary choices right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.
Okay to bash their religious choices though, eh?Veganism is to nutrition as creationism is to biology.
I wonder if there's already a website called "vegans say the darndest things."
???creationism is based in ignorance. so really...
Exactly! (beat me to it)0 -
You must be exempt from that rule with amount of mouth time you spend telling people how they got it all wrong with their dietary choices, considering vegans are all knowing, I shouldn't have had to remind you of that.I'm pretty sure one of the rules of the board is not to bash other people's dietary choices right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.0 -
its not always possible.0 -
I'm pretty sure one of the rules of the board is not to bash other people's dietary choices right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.
Okay to bash their religious choices though, eh?Veganism is to nutrition as creationism is to biology.
I wonder if there's already a website called "vegans say the darndest things."
???creationism is based in ignorance. so really...
Exactly! (beat me to it)
lolerz0 -
You must be exempt from that rule with amount of mouth time you spend telling people how they got it all wrong with their dietary choices, considering vegans are all knowing, I shouldn't have had to remind you of that.I'm pretty sure one of the rules of the board is not to bash other people's dietary choices right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.
i'm not a vegan. there goes your argument...0 -
Only 1 in a 1000 actually are, so it's not surprising.
You must be exempt from that rule with amount of mouth time you spend telling people how they got it all wrong with their dietary choices, considering vegans are all knowing, I shouldn't have had to remind you of that.I'm pretty sure one of the rules of the board is not to bash other people's dietary choices right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.
i'm not a vegan. there goes your argument...0 -
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Assigning intent to mammary glands is based on an impoverished view of biology, not a wealth of information. Sloganeering is the opposite of wanting or expecting people to make an intelligent decision. Propaganda about cows being forced to stay pregnant (as if 'free' cows would only choose to have babies when it doesn't interfere with their careers) is not a wealth of information. Making claims like 'eating whole foods cures cancer' isn't either.nah. veganism is based on making an intelligent decision based on a wealth of information and the realities of crappy animal processing in this country.
Taking advantage of peoples' naivete about the realities of life and death to show them images that horrify them in order to manipulate them into avoiding particular foods is not the act of someone who believes in the intellect of their audience.0 -
Assigning intent to mammary glands is based on an impoverished view of biology, not a wealth of information. Sloganeering is the opposite of wanting or expecting people to make an intelligent decision. Propaganda about cows being forced to stay pregnant (as if 'free' cows would only choose to have babies when it doesn't interfere with their careers) is not a wealth of information. Making claims like 'eating whole foods cures cancer' isn't either.nah. veganism is based on making an intelligent decision based on a wealth of information and the realities of crappy animal processing in this country.
Taking advantage of peoples' naivete about the realities of life and death to show them images that horrify them in order to manipulate them into avoiding particular foods is not the act of someone who believes in the intellect of their audience.
weird. you think i'm naive. i think you're naive. you think i'm ignorant. i think you're ignorant. i think you ignore facts. you think i ignore facts. guess we can just agree to disagree.
simply put: the way we produce food in this country matters to me. protecting the environment matters to me. being as healthy as possible matters to me. that's why I eat less meat/dairy. who are you to criticize that? if those things don't matter to you, so be it.0 -
what about the poor almonds having to be milked twice a day? has anyone thought about that or the nut liberation front0
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That is one thing you and me can agree on!0 -
Cow's milk is not for anything. Cow's milk exists because cow genes that build cows were historically more or less successful depending on (among other things) the amount of milk they produced.
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If you want to argue that cow's milk is (metaphorically) for something, it is for fueling mechanisms that make copies of cow genes. Among those mechanisms are dairy farm operations and human societies.
As far as cow genes would be concerned, veganism is not a friend but an enemy, because if veganism were to succeed there would be far fewer cow genes in the world than there are today.0 -
I LOVE DAIRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drinker:0
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You seem to think this thread is all about you personally. Get over yourself.
Assigning intent to mammary glands is based on an impoverished view of biology, not a wealth of information. Sloganeering is the opposite of wanting or expecting people to make an intelligent decision. Propaganda about cows being forced to stay pregnant (as if 'free' cows would only choose to have babies when it doesn't interfere with their careers) is not a wealth of information. Making claims like 'eating whole foods cures cancer' isn't either.nah. veganism is based on making an intelligent decision based on a wealth of information and the realities of crappy animal processing in this country.
Taking advantage of peoples' naivete about the realities of life and death to show them images that horrify them in order to manipulate them into avoiding particular foods is not the act of someone who believes in the intellect of their audience.
weird. you think i'm naive. i think you're naive. you think i'm ignorant. i think you're ignorant. i think you ignore facts. you think i ignore facts. guess we can just agree to disagree.
simply put: the way we produce food in this country matters to me. protecting the environment matters to me. being as healthy as possible matters to me. that's why I eat less meat/dairy. who are you to criticize that? if those things don't matter to you, so be it.0 -
Cow's milk is not for anything. Cow's milk exists because cow genes that build cows were historically more or less successful depending on (among other things) the amount of milk they produced.
If you want to argue that cow's milk is (metaphorically) for something, it is for fueling mechanisms that make copies of cow genes. Among those mechanisms are dairy farm operations and human societies.
As far as cow genes would be concerned, veganism is not a friend but an enemy, because if veganism were to succeed there would be far fewer cow genes in the world than there are today.
Truth. Cows (cattle) would go extinct. (domesticated species)0 -
That is one thing you and me can agree on!
*you and I0 -
That is one thing you and me can agree on!
*you and I
You are funny.0 -
I'm pretty sure one of the rules of the board is not to bash other people's dietary choices right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.
I'm pretty sure it's one of the rules of the board not to make comments about someone's grammar right? Just wanted to clarify for myself.0 -
Can you post a source that isn't from a radical animal rights group? They have an OBVIOUS agenda. How about a medical site?
That said, I drink one cup of milk a day these days. Personally, I would prefer soy milk because it tastes better to me.
I didn't realize they had an obdious agenda until now. Going there was my first time on their site and they listed a lot of sources so I figured it was legit. As I said I haven't looked into the sources yet but since then people have given other sources which was the purpose of this post.
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Yeah, those milk drinkers in China was an eyeopener. Here's some data that's enlightening.Can you post a source that isn't from a radical animal rights group? They have an OBVIOUS agenda. How about a medical site?
That said, I drink one cup of milk a day these days. Personally, I would prefer soy milk because it tastes better to me.
This is a good documentary
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1567233/
Also - http://www.thechinastudy.com/
About the China study http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study_(book)
An athletes point of view http://www.nomeatathlete.com/milk/
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/06/23/tuoli-chinas-mysterious-milk-drinkers/
In addition to the video I posted earlier (heres the vid in full -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKu2n4dMMCM), this guy also gives a ton of info about the dangers of dairy: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9XuYRoqo1A 0 -
Cow's milk is not for anything. Cow's milk exists because cow genes that build cows were historically more or less successful depending on (among other things) the amount of milk they produced.
If you want to argue that cow's milk is (metaphorically) for something, it is for fueling mechanisms that make copies of cow genes. Among those mechanisms are dairy farm operations and human societies.
As far as cow genes would be concerned, veganism is not a friend but an enemy, because if veganism were to succeed there would be far fewer cow genes in the world than there are today.
Truth. Cows (cattle) would go extinct. (domesticated species)
So I guess we won't go into why Tuna almost went extinct right? Not that it would matter because it is impossible for everyone in the world to become vegans, not that I would want everyone to. People misunderstand the point, which would be LESS consumption of meat and dairy, not a complete halt of it. Vegans choose to cut it out completely for either their own health or to have a greater impact on the environment, but there will always be a meat and dairy industry unless they all get exposed to some disease stemming from poor treatment and die off on their own.0 -
great info, thanks.0
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My cardiologist actually told me to lower my dairy content. So, I believe that in an abundance it may not be a good thing, just like anything else.
I do know that I have a dairy sensitivity and I have children who have dairy allergies.
So, it is a personal choice as to what to eliminate from your diet. I personally, like milk, but find that I can function just fine on others types of 'milk.'0
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