For Vegans / Vegetarians only.

CorvusCorax77

It's been fun!

I promised another poster on here I'd read an article, then I have to go to my pro-man rally.

take care!


Edit- I have no issue with women disagreeing. The problem is anyone happens to not be very smart with their comments. In this case it happens to be a few women. Not my fault.

I seem to get along with other women on here fine. Just the ones that many other women - the ones that show passive aggressiveness I will say I really dislike. Which is what some of you are showing. I just decided to push it further by saying something I know would piss you (few) off. Just like you guys did. There is no difference. Now why don't you get in the kitchen and make some salad?

So this is what you mean by passive-aggressive and therefore worthy of your sexist comments purposefully stated to piss me off??

DUDE I AM A VEGETARIAN

and my son is a vegan.

I was vegan for 11 years.

Don't assume just because someone doesn't agree with your logic that they haven't made the same ultimate choice in lifestyle.

ps. don't eat anything with "natural flavoring" if it is vanilla or raspberry flavored: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castoreum

For the record, when I got mad at you it was when you responded to this beautiful vegan's comment....

oh geez. this really gives vegans a bad name.

i'm in it for peace, love, equality for all beings. not to put down others.

i'm a vegan because i enjoy helping others, including animals to have a better life. my reason for being vegan is because i don't think anyone deserves to die for another's pleasure. survival is another story. i am vegan because i feel it's the least i can do to be the change i wish to see in the world. :flowerforyou:

so please, don't think all vegans are self righteous. and other vegans- please don't start these threads because they go nowhere.

with this garbage....

If you don't want people to think vegans are self righteous, then maybe reword your self righteous comments. I am eating this way because thats how we are designed to. Because I feel better this way than eating meat. I think if you're a carnivore, kill and eat the meat you need! Thats life. They go nowhere because trolls come in to do what they do best... troll.

I purposely wrote this knowing idiots would come in here pushing their ideas. Thats why I said "vegans and vegetarians". If you eat meat, then why would you come in here? just to cause trouble. Simple as that.

My gf, co-workers, best friends all eat meat. I never tell them it's crap for them b/c I occasionally will have some too... When they do comment on my diet I will set them straight with science and biology.

I think the info is good for vegans to know- those who do it "so i can help the environment" don't seem to get this.

I understand meat eating people's ideas. brainwashed for their entire lives. I am sure I'm brainwashed about other things, but I was able to listen to vegans, and really learn from them. The problem is many are not willing to accept that what they thought to be true their whole lives to be wrong. How did you think I felt when at 28, I realized my diet was not the "ideal" diet for my species. same ****.

Watch Jamie Oliver's food revolution. I feel like he does when he is trying to explain to those lunch ladies who are so close minded. Most people can't see that they are close minded, but if they see someone else being that way, they can, so go watch that show. fyi it's not about not eating meat. he makes chicken

And your constant posing as a vegetarian when you haven't even made the decision to be one.

Also, your entire argument has been debunked a million times. I've been an actual vegan long enough to know that there isn't sufficient evidence that humans were "intended" to not eat meat.

Also, "frugivores" do this:

http://youtu.be/kKn7IEDfkwk

Oishii

Just a quick FYI:

Nature/evolution is not 'interested' in 'optimum nutrition' or strength training, world records or any such human constructs. Its only interest is reproduction. For a diet to be 'natural' or 'appropriate' all it needs to do is get you to reproductive age alive and fertile. The OP's information argues that we are naturally herbivores (I am sure there are holes in this argument, but no one on this thread has yet pointed them out clearly enough, that I've spotted), not that it is the optimum diet.

Personally, I really like the theory that cooking and eating meat is what grew our brains so big. I thank my ancestors for eating all that meat so I didn't have to (a third of my life so far omnivore, a third vegetarian, a third pescatarian...) :laugh:

Sarauk2sf

It's been fun!

I promised another poster on here I'd read an article, then I have to go to my pro-man rally.

take care!


Edit- I have no issue with women disagreeing. The problem is anyone happens to not be very smart with their comments. In this case it happens to be a few women. Not my fault.

I seem to get along with other women on here fine. Just the ones that many other women - the ones that show passive aggressiveness I will say I really dislike. Which is what some of you are showing. I just decided to push it further by saying something I know would piss you (few) off. Just like you guys did. There is no difference. Now why don't you get in the kitchen and make some salad?

Missed this little edit the first time around...sneaky...tut tut tut

zillah73

One question for the guy swearing that this is the 'proper' way to do things. How many world strength records are held by Vegans? The answer is none.

So, if this diet is the way that humans are 'supposed' to eat, why are they so physically inferior when they are eating this way? Granted, there are some strong guys out there who are Vegan, and I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that if this is the ideal diet, shouldn't Vegans be dominating their meat eating relatives in all sports? They're not...at all. In fact, they're not even close.

So, why?

What has vegetarianism have to do with holding world records for picking up heavy stuff? Being the person who can pick up the heaviest thing does not mean that person is the healthiest person in the world. Nor does it mean they are most physically fit. Given that vegetarians/vegans often choose their lifestyles out of a desire to not dominate/abuse animals, it would stand for reason they aren't very interested in "dominating their meat eating relatives", either. I question whether you posted on this thread simply to be antagonistic.

eric_sg61

Personally, I really like the theory that cooking and eating meat is what grew our brains so big. :laugh:

They wouldn't have gotten enough calories from anything else. Twigs and berries aren't going to cut it.

daffodilsoup

Please - and this is spoken as a vegan - stop posting threads like this.

MelissaOnPurpose

Goodness. I just spent the last hour (or so) reading this whole thread. Why did I just do that??? Anyways, I typed in 'vegan' into the search field b/c I am looking to meet friends that are and also looking to learn new things. Thanks for the first part of that!

redheaddee

In before the lock!

Better suited to insult meat eaters in a private group rather than a public forum.

Besides, there is always Fancy Feast.

Oh....my....god....can't stop laughing...all I can get out of my mouth between cackles right now is "**** you!" xD

reposting thanks to trolls.

carbasile

you made me laugh as I was doing the same thing and thinking wow.. what a conversation going on here .. haha .. were you looking for Vegan friends? and yes people since vegans are a small minority just like people who cycle look for fellow cyclers , and people who run look for fellow runners, many times vegans look for fellow vegans as we like to discuss recipes , events , and like topics ..

sorry I digress ... if you are please add me .. long time vegan

laurelobrien

Interesting post, though I disagree pretty heavily with anyone who tries to get ****ty about what other people eat. I would point out that while we may be in a stage of evolution that points to foraging, the decision to eat meat (specifically, to cook meat and eat it) is the reason we have the level of intelligence and sentience we do today. Since then we have basically used our intelligence to make evolutionary boundaries obsolete: our physical defenses suck so we make weapons. We require many calories a day to be active without spending all of it foraging, so we farm food and cook it. The argument that we should be vegetarian doesn't really hold up past like, post-fire eras.

The burden of animal farming on the planet is too much, and the quality of the food we eat is pretty bad as a whole. I would posit that this is an issue of laziness and overpopulation - meat eating can be done in a sustainable and healthy way. I personally raise my own rabbits for eating and chickens for eggs, which means that 100% of the rabbit is used (eat the meat, tan the hides, make broth from the bones) and the meat is grass-fed from my pesticide-free garden. It lives a comfortable life and gets an instantaneous death. In return I get lean, organic meat that I use as fuel to keep my muscles strong and my mind happy.

Obviously almost no one else who eats meat is in this situation, though many humans at least make the effort to seek out sustainable and organic sources. I basically just take issue with vegans who are extremist in their views and believe they've taken the only high road. Enjoy your salads, just don't be such a **** about it.

Annan72

Hello all! I'm new here, vegan, and looking for some friends to keep me motivated. Please send me a friend request if you want me to help YOU stay motivated too!

VeganLexi

One question for the guy swearing that this is the 'proper' way to do things. How many world strength records are held by Vegans? The answer is none.

So, if this diet is the way that humans are 'supposed' to eat, why are they so physically inferior when they are eating this way? Granted, there are some strong guys out there who are Vegan, and I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that if this is the ideal diet, shouldn't Vegans be dominating their meat eating relatives in all sports? They're not...at all. In fact, they're not even close.

So, why?

World record - check
Vegan - check

http://www.greatveganathletes.com/vegan_athlete_patrik-baboumian

snazzyjazzy21

I personally raise my own rabbits for eating and chickens for eggs, which means that 100% of the rabbit is used (eat the meat, tan the hides, make broth from the bones) and the meat is grass-fed from my pesticide-free garden.

I have 200% respect for people who do this. I think it's a great way to reduce waste and help make a more sustainable way of farming. As a Kiwi, I live in a nation built on farming, mostly meat and dairy. While we make an effort to keep our environmental impact low, it's becoming an issue for larger scale farms. Personally, I am happy with my omnivore diet, but would like to, when funds provide, get my food from more sustainable local farms. I agree that a meat farming can be tough environment and that we should, as a society, decrease our meat consumption in order to reduce our environmental impact.

sk_pirate

But if we weren't supposed to eat meat, then why did God make bacon so tasty...?

God didn't make bacon tasty, I did!

SummerLovesPhil

As much as I love being a veggie, it's rants like this that keep me from publicly identifying myself as one.

"Do not condemn each other in matters of food and drink, but eat and drink as it becomes you, and be silent." -Epictetus

stealthq

Without a shadow of a doubt, our bodies are not designed for meat, just as cats & dogs bodies are not designed for grains (which is why cats & dogs are the ONLY other two species (other than humans) who are overweight. Most of their food contains grains as fillers- which they CAN eat, but causes problems for them long term).

Pretty much stopped reading here. I call BS. I used to ride horses regularly. The ones that tended towards inactivity got fat. Yes, horses that had free roam of acres of pasture - not grain-fed, no hormones, steroids, etc - and were exercised daily under saddle, though obviously not enough to compensate for the grass they were eating. Eat lots, move little, get fat. Same in all species. It's why you see it more often in domesticated species, particularly house-bound dogs and cats though it happens with fish in tanks and caged birds, too. We've taken away most of the need to move. We provide food (often more than needed), and remove most if not all predators. Grains have nothing to do with it.

hannahlodges

I found a book called "Eat Right For Your Blood Type," and since I'm type-A it recommends a predominantly vegan diet, with lots of vegetables and fruits and no meat except fish, chicken and turkey (cheating vegan?). Personally I've found this to be highly beneficial as meat really messed with my system, I was wondering if anyone else has this diet or experiencing with it?

VeganLexi

Eating meat must have a negative effect on intellect...the thread is clearly entitled "For Vegans/Vegetarians only".

VeganLexi

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Solisci

Love this! I am new to the vegetarian world but love it, and continue to read a lot to educate myself. ''Haters gonna hate"

VeganLexi

One question for the guy swearing that this is the 'proper' way to do things. How many world strength records are held by Vegans? The answer is none.

So, if this diet is the way that humans are 'supposed' to eat, why are they so physically inferior when they are eating this way? Granted, there are some strong guys out there who are Vegan, and I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that if this is the ideal diet, shouldn't Vegans be dominating their meat eating relatives in all sports? They're not...at all. In fact, they're not even close.

So, why?

Wrong. The strongest man of Germany is a vegan!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian

Already been hit and knocked down. German strength record does not in any way equal world record. As I said before, this guy's lifts are actually lower than the world records for an entire weight class below him. Try again.

He holds a world record...

benol1

Hi,

Love this! I am new to the vegetarian world but love it, and continue to read a lot to educate myself.

My number one source of clinical nutrition is:

www.nutritionfacts.org

Its a non-profit, and evidence-based and provides the health benefits of a whole-foods plant-based diet. I recommend that you check it out. If you have an hour to spare, the first video to watch is:

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/uprooting-the-leading-causes-of-death/

Most of the 1600+ videos are quite short, most are only a few minutes long. The following video (6min) relates to how the US dietary guidelines (McGovern Report) were manipulated by certain vested interests to the detriment of consumers.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-mcgovern-report/

kind regards,

Ben

snazzyjazzy21

One question for the guy swearing that this is the 'proper' way to do things. How many world strength records are held by Vegans? The answer is none.

So, if this diet is the way that humans are 'supposed' to eat, why are they so physically inferior when they are eating this way? Granted, there are some strong guys out there who are Vegan, and I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that if this is the ideal diet, shouldn't Vegans be dominating their meat eating relatives in all sports? They're not...at all. In fact, they're not even close.

So, why?

Wrong. The strongest man of Germany is a vegan!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian

Already been hit and knocked down. German strength record does not in any way equal world record. As I said before, this guy's lifts are actually lower than the world records for an entire weight class below him. Try again.

He holds a world record...

He also supports PETA, which anyone, vegan or not, should know is a laughable charity which needlessly slaughters animals.

Sarauk2sf

I found a book called "Eat Right For Your Blood Type," and since I'm type-A it recommends a predominantly vegan diet, with lots of vegetables and fruits and no meat except fish, chicken and turkey (cheating vegan?). Personally I've found this to be highly beneficial as meat really messed with my system, I was wondering if anyone else has this diet or experiencing with it?

Its utter BS. There is no foundation in science for it.

EvgeniZyntx

Hi,

Love this! I am new to the vegetarian world but love it, and continue to read a lot to educate myself.

My number one source of clinical nutrition is:

www.nutritionfacts.org

Its a non-profit, and evidence-based and provides the health benefits of a whole-foods plant-based diet. I recommend that you check it out. If you have an hour to spare, the first video to watch is:

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/uprooting-the-leading-causes-of-death/

Most of the 1600+ videos are quite short, most are only a few minutes long. The following video (6min) relates to how the US dietary guidelines (McGovern Report) were manipulated by certain vested interests to the detriment of consumers.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-mcgovern-report/

kind regards,

Ben

Extremely biased, tin foil source. A lot of incorrect and incomplete info.

DatMurse

Hi,

Love this! I am new to the vegetarian world but love it, and continue to read a lot to educate myself.

My number one source of clinical nutrition is:

www.nutritionfacts.org

Its a non-profit, and evidence-based and provides the health benefits of a whole-foods plant-based diet. I recommend that you check it out. If you have an hour to spare, the first video to watch is:

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/uprooting-the-leading-causes-of-death/

Most of the 1600+ videos are quite short, most are only a few minutes long. The following video (6min) relates to how the US dietary guidelines (McGovern Report) were manipulated by certain vested interests to the detriment of consumers.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-mcgovern-report/

kind regards,

Ben

Extremely biased, tin foil source. A lot of incorrect and incomplete info.

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The leading cause of death is birth

benol1

Extremely biased, tin foil source. A lot of incorrect and incomplete info.

According to whom, you?
What qualifications do you have to make that assessment?
What evidence do you have to back up your assessment?

DatMurse

Extremely biased, tin foil source. A lot of incorrect and incomplete info.

According to whom, you?
What qualifications do you have to make that assessment?
What evidence do you have to back up your assessment?

According to evidence of the french paradox and the fact that animal fat has nothing to do with it.
Heart disease is the leading cause of death. You can also say that it is also a muscle that is constantly being worked over a period of time. People will die from something one way or another. Over time it will be the heart or cancer due to a multi hit theory.

People get diabetes not because of their diet but their complete lifestyle while going into a point of obesity that is leading to increased insulin resistance.

There are many biased publications out there in regards to a whole plant based diet such as the china study book.
While the China Study DATA represents that it is meat heavy communities lived longer and had less cancer than ones who were plant based.

It has been shown that an overall unprocessed food well rounded diet is the most sustainable way to live a healthy lifestyle.

Vitamin B12 has to be taken from animal products.
Vitamin C has to be taken from plant sources.

There are many positive things to beef and negative things. Same goes with plants.

People with a full plant based diet do not recover at the same rate as someone who consumes an omnivoric diet. This has been shown time and time again in regards to lysine affecting calcium resorption into the bone. There is more to calcium than simply vitamin D.

This information of everything I stated in regards to nutrients, cause of diabetes, and french paradox can be googled.

The heart disease leading to death is kind of obvious. You are going to die eventually and your heart is the major organ that doesnt get rest

VeganLexi

One question for the guy swearing that this is the 'proper' way to do things. How many world strength records are held by Vegans? The answer is none.

So, if this diet is the way that humans are 'supposed' to eat, why are they so physically inferior when they are eating this way? Granted, there are some strong guys out there who are Vegan, and I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that if this is the ideal diet, shouldn't Vegans be dominating their meat eating relatives in all sports? They're not...at all. In fact, they're not even close.

So, why?

Wrong. The strongest man of Germany is a vegan!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian

Already been hit and knocked down. German strength record does not in any way equal world record. As I said before, this guy's lifts are actually lower than the world records for an entire weight class below him. Try again.

He holds a world record...

He also supports PETA, which anyone, vegan or not, should know is a laughable charity which needlessly slaughters animals.

What on earth has his world record (the question posed) got to do with the group(s) that he supports?

EvgeniZyntx

Extremely biased, tin foil source. A lot of incorrect and incomplete info.

According to whom, you?
What qualifications do you have to make that assessment?
What evidence do you have to back up your assessment?

Me. Yes.

My qualifications? Really? Hhhm. I have them, but this isn't about me. But, let's say I have a few relevant science degrees. Like 3. My work experience in research and health related fields spans 20 years.

His presentation about Insulin-like growth factor 1 is incomplete, biased and a non end point, non evidence based fiction. I've covered it extensively in another post.

You'll see that here - with references. Middle of the page.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1084194-where-does-frank-medrano-get-his-protein?page=8

I think I answered your questions.

The point is that any single source of information has some bias. That site is strongly so. Get your info from many places and don't trust claims until you read the source.