what does skinny fat look like?
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Not sure if this will work...if not copy & paste
but yes, here's my "yuck" body that looks "good in clothes but rubbish naked" :laugh:
You're nuts.
"yuck" and "rubbish naked" are what OTHER people have said about skinny fat bodies, which is why I posted my photo, because I am sick of being shamed for my particular body type. This is supposed to be a positive community!0 -
Actually I think I qualify as skinny-fat right now. I'm in the proper weight range but I am small boned and I do still have fat around my middle.
I wish I knew if I could trust my body fat scale. It claims I'm still over %30 bodyfat even though all online charts, graphs, the military measurement system and etc. claim I'm around %24.
Judging by how I'd look in a bikini right now if I were foolish enough to put one on, I think the scale has it right. And that's fine, I already knew I had at least 10 more pounds to lose to be happy with my weight.0 -
NWOB, or normal weight obesity, is not something you can see from looking at someone. In MFP land it seems to mean a high body fat % while having a low BMI.
http://www.nemechekconsultativemedicine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Why-Visceral-Fat-Is-Bad.pdf0 -
Permission to make a comment about this photo since I want to make a point...But I don't want you to feel insulted by any means and if you take it constructively I don't think you should feel insulted about it but some people are overly sensitive so figured I'd ask first.Not sure if this will work...if not copy & paste
but yes, here's my "yuck" body that looks "good in clothes but rubbish naked" :laugh:
You're nuts.
"yuck" and "rubbish naked" are what OTHER people have said about skinny fat bodies, which is why I posted my photo, because I am sick of being shamed for my particular body type. This is supposed to be a positive community!0 -
A lot of people misuse the term skinny fat, to mean someone who is at a healthy weight but does not have muscle definition. This is not the correct definition.
There is such a thing as skinny-fat though, and medically speaking it's not a healthy way to be, as the person is likely to have problems due to being underweight according to their lean body mass, combined with problems due to carrying too much fat. The post I just replied to in this thread has the medical definition of this, i.e. normal weight obesity. "skinny-fat" is a colloquial term for this.
As I mentioned earlier (I think), skinny fat refers to the type of person who looks skinny (male and female) but stores a lot of fat round their mid-section, and particularly worryingly around the organs (which is known to result in various diseases including cancer). Am I right?
well "skinny-fat" is a colloquial term.... normal weight obesity is a medical term. If they look skinny, they can't really be storing that much fat around their midsection.
The problem with colloquial terms is they can mean different things to different people so I'm not really going to argue about the precise definition of a colloquial term. If the term's changed its meaning from "normal weight obesity" to "someone who's thin but not ripped" then I think that's a real shame because a) there's no health risk from being thin but not ripped, in fact it's very healthy, and b) it's become yet another term for body shaming.
what you describe is not "normal weight obesity" as for that someone needs to be underweight according to their lean body mass, but be carrying an obese amount of fat, so the two cancel out and result in a normal BMI.
I don't have a problem with using it in the medical sense, to describe oneself or as a warning about putting too much emphasis on size and not enough on health. I do think though that putting up pictures of women who are slightly flabby so we can "ewww" at them is body shaming.
ETA; I'm pretty sure that's what you're saying here, so I'm agreeing with you not arguing. :P Just to be clear.0 -
Here some tips to become skinny-fat:
1. Eat a Vegan Diet – If you don’t want to eat any meat, your body will just eat you instead. Unfortunately it’s on a low fat diet in this case.
Ridiculous. Some of the vegans on my friend's list are in better shape than 80% of the people I see on MFP. PS- they lift heavy.0 -
Permission to make a comment about this photo since I want to make a point...But I don't want you to feel insulted by any means and if you take it constructively I don't think you should feel insulted about it but some people are overly sensitive so figured I'd ask first.Not sure if this will work...if not copy & paste
but yes, here's my "yuck" body that looks "good in clothes but rubbish naked" :laugh:
You're nuts.
"yuck" and "rubbish naked" are what OTHER people have said about skinny fat bodies, which is why I posted my photo, because I am sick of being shamed for my particular body type. This is supposed to be a positive community!
Absolutely! That's fine. And thanks for being so courteous 0 -
Not sure if this will work...if not copy & paste
but yes, here's my "yuck" body that looks "good in clothes but rubbish naked" :laugh:
I believe you are being harder on yourself than anyone else but I would be happy to compare those pics to the rubbish ones just to be fair...0 -
Permission to make a comment about this photo since I want to make a point...But I don't want you to feel insulted by any means and if you take it constructively I don't think you should feel insulted about it but some people are overly sensitive so figured I'd ask first.Not sure if this will work...if not copy & paste
but yes, here's my "yuck" body that looks "good in clothes but rubbish naked" :laugh:
You're nuts.
"yuck" and "rubbish naked" are what OTHER people have said about skinny fat bodies, which is why I posted my photo, because I am sick of being shamed for my particular body type. This is supposed to be a positive community!
Absolutely! That's fine. And thanks for being so courteous
She look great in this pic, don't get me wrong. I still consider the lighting in this pic is not flattering. I've seen many 'skinny fat' models have phenomenal pictures with just a lighting change (not that I think the above looks bad at all, I just know some photographers who'd make you drop your jaw at pics of the same person). We can't all look good all the time. That said let's check out her bum. Probably not that noticeable, but if you stare at it *gets the internet to creepily oogle* It's wrinkly. Alas, we are not made of balls of perfectly rounded clay.
Since we're on the topic of skinny fat and what does it look like, many people want to know how to get rid of it. Well, my bum was much more groovy about a year ago. Looking at the pic just sent my mind right back even though I can still get pictures like that now. But since many people want to know how to reduce it so people won't think they're the dreaded 'skinny fat' ones I wanted to share. I started hiking ALOT and they went away significantly and my bum has done nothing but lift since. Since I started adding strength training things are lifted and jiggle be gone (to a realistic degree anyway lol). Figured I'd add my 2 sense for a solution to 'skinny fat' since a lot of people seem to ask about it. With that being said, unless we are a freak of nature, we'll all have some. Beware of the unflattering lighting. Particularly if we're women since we carry fat easier (and someone commented to me the other day that it's because womens thigh muscles crisscross and males don't? Have no idea if that's true. Seems a little out there but figured I'd share in case someone has something to throw back at me). I just wanted to add since I've been exercising, particularly since I added strength training, my parts have done nothing but lift themselves.0 -
So many of these comments have been very good and productive (I was quite surprised by that, with there being 5 pages). I only read about halfway through, maybe I will try to read some more.
Anyhow, the term does get overused a lot on mfp, and does lead to some of what you have seen in this thread: beautiful women thinking that any amount of fat makes them "horrid".
One of the ways I have seen it misused is that it sometimes seems that people have an assumption that anyone at a low BMI is automatically skinny fat. I'm not sure why they assume that a slender person has a high body fat, when they very often can have a low body fat and higher proportion of muscle (for their size and body composition, they just do not have mega tons of muscle or fat).
I have a low BMI, I always have, and I have a small frame in every way, my body is strong and efficient and I am a dancer and I also lift weights. I am at around 18% body fat and I have an extremely low amount of visceral fat (as confirmed by my doctor and an MRI), so my waist is very slender, and my figure is firm curvy with all over visible muscle definition (especially when my body is in motion). And, I am always working at it (I am also a mother of 2 in my mid thirties). So just throwing this out there in the mix of definitions.0 -
Permission to make a comment about this photo since I want to make a point...But I don't want you to feel insulted by any means and if you take it constructively I don't think you should feel insulted about it but some people are overly sensitive so figured I'd ask first.Not sure if this will work...if not copy & paste
but yes, here's my "yuck" body that looks "good in clothes but rubbish naked" :laugh:
You're nuts.
"yuck" and "rubbish naked" are what OTHER people have said about skinny fat bodies, which is why I posted my photo, because I am sick of being shamed for my particular body type. This is supposed to be a positive community!
Absolutely! That's fine. And thanks for being so courteous
She look great in this pic, don't get me wrong. I still consider the lighting in this pic is not flattering. I've seen many 'skinny fat' models have phenomenal pictures with just a lighting change (not that I think the above looks bad at all, I just know some photographers who'd make you drop your jaw at pics of the same person). We can't all look good all the time. That said let's check out her bum. Probably not that noticeable, but if you stare at it *gets the internet to creepily oogle* It's wrinkly. Alas, we are not made of balls of perfectly rounded clay.
Since we're on the topic of skinny fat and what does it look like, many people want to know how to get rid of it. Well, my bum was much more groovy about a year ago. Looking at the pic just sent my mind right back even though I can still get pictures like that now. But since many people want to know how to reduce it so people won't think they're the dreaded 'skinny fat' ones I wanted to share. I started hiking ALOT and they went away significantly and my bum has done nothing but lift since. Since I started adding strength training things are lifted and jiggle be gone (to a realistic degree anyway lol). Figured I'd add my 2 sense for a solution to 'skinny fat' since a lot of people seem to ask about it. With that being said, unless we are a freak of nature, we'll all have some. Beware of the unflattering lighting. Particularly if we're women since we carry fat easier (and someone commented to me the other day that it's because womens thigh muscles crisscross and males don't? Have no idea if that's true. Seems a little out there but figured I'd share in case someone has something to throw back at me). I just wanted to add since I've been exercising, particularly since I added strength training, my parts have done nothing but lift themselves.
Yup, you're totally right.
That's my butt, by the way! And the "wrinkles"...that's cellulite! LOTS of it! In fact, I have it all over my stomach, thighs, etc. too.
And if you thought the lighting in this photo was unflattering, you should see it in daylight when you can see the cellulite clearly it's very obvious.
So yeah, I showed this photo because I think I'm a good example of the type of body people are mentioning here, and also that it's not "yuck" or anything to be ashamed of.0 -
New research is challenging previous medical notions that "apple-shaped" people with more fat around their waist are at higher risk of heart attacks and strokes than "pear-shaped" people with fatter bottoms and hips.
A study of 220,000 people published Friday confirmed that being obese -- having a body mass index (BMI) of 30 or more -- is a major risk factor for heart disease, but found the distribution of fat on the body has no impact on that risk.
"Regardless of how you measure it, being obese is bad for your heart. This study suggests that measuring your waist is no better than calculating your BMI," said Mike Knapton, associate medical director at the British Heart Foundation charity, which part-funded the study.
BMI is widely used by researchers and doctors to determine people's health risks. It is calculated by dividing weight in kilograms by height in meters squared. A person who is 5 feet 5 inches tall has a BMI of 25 and is classified as overweight at 150 pounds (68 kg), and has a BMI of 30 and is classified as obese at 180 pounds (82 kg).
According to researchers writing in The Lancet medical journal, previous studies have suggested that people with "central obesity" -- often described as apple-shaped people -- have a three times greater risk of heart attack than people with general obesity as measured by BMI. But other experts have questioned those findings, so a large international consortium of scientists set out to try and settle the issue.
Their results suggest that while monitoring weight and fat levels may be important to try to get people to change their lifestyles, the best predictors of future heart risk are measures of blood pressure, cholesterol and history of diabetes.
The Lancet study involved taking weight, hip, waist, blood pressure, cholesterol and other key data from more than 220,000 adults -- who had no previous history of heart disease -- and tracking them for almost a decade. During that time, around 14,000 of them had heart attacks or strokes.
John Danesh of Britain's Cambridge University, one of the almost 200 scientists from 17 countries who worked on the study, said the findings showed that "basically, all obesity types are broadly as bad as each other" when it comes to heart health.
Danesh said the findings should help guide medical practice worldwide because at the moment, national and international guidelines provide differing recommendations about the value of assessing obesity levels to predict future heart risk.
"This study very clearly shows that if conventional risk factors (such as blood pressure and cholesterol) have already been measured, then measures of levels of fat add very little," he said in a telephone interview.
Obesity has become a global epidemic, with more than half a billion people, or one in 10 adults worldwide, now considered to be obese -- more than double the number in 1980.
Cardiovascular diseases -- which can lead to heart attacks, strokes and other fatal events -- are the top cause of death worldwide, killing around 17.1 million people a year, according to the World health Organization (WHO).0 -
Exactly...Everyone is looking to get every ounce of fat off them. If we succeeded in that, we wouldn't live very long...shouldn't healthy be more attractive? I don't know how many times I've been on the wings and listened to other dancers talk about their version of a diet where they proudly exclaim how long they have went without eating because of reasons like this while they give me the eyes as I throw out my chicken mcnugget box lol. Honestly I have no idea where they get the energy to do what we do on stage. Ironically enough they'll tell me I'm to skinny...meanwhile I'm obviously getting more nutrition netting 1700 cals and eating exercise cals back vs...0 lol. It's a odd world we live in.So many of these comments have been very good and productive (I was quite surprised by that, with there being 5 pages). I only read about halfway through, maybe I will try to read some more.
Anyhow, the term does get overused a lot on mfp, and does lead to some of what you have seen in this thread: beautiful women thinking that any amount of fat makes them "horrid".
One of the ways I have seen it misused is that it sometimes seems that people have an assumption that anyone at a low BMI is automatically skinny fat. I'm not sure why they assume that a slender person has a high body fat, when they very often can have a low body fat and higher proportion of muscle (for their size and body composition, they just do not have mega tons of muscle or fat).
I have a low BMI, I always have, and I have a small frame in every way, my body is strong and efficient and I am a dancer and I also lift weights. I am at around 18% body fat and I have an extremely low amount of visceral fat (as confirmed by my doctor and an MRI), so my waist is very slender, and my figure is firm curvy with all over visible muscle definition (especially when my body is in motion). And, I am always working at it (I am also a mother of 2 in my mid thirties). So just throwing this out there in the mix of definitions.0 -
Women's fat cells are a different shape. You can lightly pinch skin anywhere and on any women's body and you will see that dimply cottage cheese effect. Not so on a man, their fat cells are more alongated.0
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LOL I would not call that lots. And in my experience we're our own worse critics. I just found pictures of my own 'groovy' thighs if it makes you feel better:Yup, you're totally right.
That's my butt, by the way! And the "wrinkles"...that's cellulite! LOTS of it! In fact, I have it all over my stomach, thighs, etc. too.
And if you thought the lighting in this photo was unflattering, you should see it in daylight when you can see the cellulite clearly it's very obvious.
So yeah, I showed this photo because I think I'm a good example of the type of body people are mentioning here, and also that it's not "yuck" or anything to be ashamed of.
And with the difference of a good camera (with no fancy lighting and no edits) I get significantly better looking legs:
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LOL I would not call that lots. And in my experience we're our own worse critics. I just found pictures of my own 'groovy' thighs if it makes you feel better:Yup, you're totally right.
That's my butt, by the way! And the "wrinkles"...that's cellulite! LOTS of it! In fact, I have it all over my stomach, thighs, etc. too.
And if you thought the lighting in this photo was unflattering, you should see it in daylight when you can see the cellulite clearly it's very obvious.
So yeah, I showed this photo because I think I'm a good example of the type of body people are mentioning here, and also that it's not "yuck" or anything to be ashamed of.
And with the difference of a good camera (with no fancy lighting and no edits) I get significantly better looking legs:
Can I just say... YUM
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Women's fat cells are a different shape. You can lightly pinch skin anywhere and on any women's body and you will see that dimply cottage cheese effect. Not so on a man, their fat cells are more alongated.
Yes! This is what was referring to earlier sorta...but it was the crisscrossing of womens muscles that causes it while the person said mens were aligned parallel. Wonder if there's any evidence for that?0 -
LOL I would not call that lots. And in my experience we're our own worse critics. I just found pictures of my own 'groovy' thighs if it makes you feel better:Yup, you're totally right.
That's my butt, by the way! And the "wrinkles"...that's cellulite! LOTS of it! In fact, I have it all over my stomach, thighs, etc. too.
And if you thought the lighting in this photo was unflattering, you should see it in daylight when you can see the cellulite clearly it's very obvious.
So yeah, I showed this photo because I think I'm a good example of the type of body people are mentioning here, and also that it's not "yuck" or anything to be ashamed of.
And with the difference of a good camera (with no fancy lighting and no edits) I get significantly better looking legs:
i so hate post-its and yellow stars....nice transformation...0 -
I'm skinny fat because I thought I could just lose weight and I'd look fabulous, obviously not. I'm a lot more educated in this whole fitness thing and a workout bench is coming my way soon so I can start lifting.
I hate hate hate being skinny fat but I'm going to work on it... Still not sure how to get rid of the fat off those darn love handles!0 -
Killer Fat | DiscoverMagazine.com 2/18/13 3:58 PM
FROM THE FEBRUARY 2007 ISSUE
Killer Fat Not all fats are equal.
By Mariana Gosnell | Wednesday, February 28, 2007
"I wish I were a rat," Frank Garofolo, a 56-year-old investment banker in Boston, said recently. Garofolo has diabetes, as do his mother, father, and brother; his sister died of it. He had just been told about an experiment at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City in which a plump lab rat lost more than half its intra-abdominal fat when it was exposed to a drug-and-light therapy usually used to kill tumors. A couple of years earlier, Garofolo had submitted to experimental surgery himself at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, during which a surgeon pulled chunks of ivory-colored fat out through small openings in his belly. Although the loss of 4! pounds of intra-abdominal fat allowed Garofolo to go from a tight size 44 belt to a loose one, it didn't have the effect he so fervently desired—boosting his insulin sensitivity and lessening the severity of his diabetes—leaving him desperate enough to envy a rat.
More than fat anywhere else in the body—even more than overall obesity—intra-abdominal, or visceral, fat is associated with pernicious health effects in humans. A major effect is reduced sensitivity to insulin, the hormone that helps glucose enter the body's cells. Biologists lump visceral obesity (having a large midsection) with a cluster of other more obvious physiological abnormalities—high triglycerides, high blood pressure, high fasting blood sugar, and low HDLs (high-density lipoproteins, the so-called good cholesterol) —under the umbrella term metabolic syndrome; people with this condition are at increased risk for cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes.
Studies have shown visceral obesity to be a risk factor on its own as well, a strong predictor of, among other things, heart attacks in young men, chronic heart failure in older people, high blood pressure in Japanese Americans, heart attacks in "well functioning" elderly women, and—the clincher, the coup de grease, if you will—of "all-cause mortality" in men. Having an excess of visceral fat has also been implicated in the development of Alzheimer's disease, colon cancer, gallstones, ovarian cystic disease, breast cancer, and sleep apnea.
"Visceral obesity," declares Philipp Scherer, a professor of cell biology and medicine at Albert Einstein and an expert on fat, "does seem to be truly evil."
Yet most people have never even heard of visceral fat. A survey released last year by the World Heart Federation concluded that most Americans are unaware that visceral fat is a leading risk factor for heart disease—even though, by one estimate, almost 46 percent of adult Americans have an excess of it. Moreover, the majority of physicians do not regularly check their patients' girth, which is the primary indicator of visceral obesity. "We are where cholesterol was in 1970 or blood pressure was in 1960," says obesity researcher Steven Smith of the Pennington Biomedical Research Center in Baton Rouge.
Visceral fat lies deep inside the abdomen, surrounding vital organs like the liver, heart, intestines, and kidneys, as well as hanging, in a separate double flap, off the ends of the stomach like an apron. In lean
people, the flap, known as the omentum, is thin enough to be seen through (by someone in a position to have a look, that is). In obese people it may be inches thick, fused, and "hard like cake," according to Edward Mun, now director of bariatric surgery at Faulkner Hospital in Boston; he is the surgeon who removed part of Garofolo's omentum. Packed around the organs is another type of visceral fat, called mesenteric.
The abdominal region harbors still another kind of fat, which lies outside the abdominal wall, just under the skin. This subcutaneous, or peripheral, fat tends to be soft and flabby; you can pinch or grab it. It has two compartments, the deeper of which is thought, like visceral fat, to have negative effects on health. The superficial layer may cause cosmetic distress in women who get a buildup of it as they age, but from a medical perspective it is considered benign. Subcutaneous fat also appears outside the abdominal area, on the lower body—the hips, buttocks, and upper thighs. There it is not only benign but actually beneficial.
"Peripheral fat is, in reality, good fat," explains Osama Hamdy, director of the obesity clinic at the Joslin Diabetic Center.
Before menopause, women tend to have more good fat than men do. One interpretation holds that, through most of human evolution, visceral fat was useful for short-term storage—it accumulates quickly and is released quickly—for the benefit of male hunters who needed quick access to energy. Subcutaneous fat, in contrast, was meant for long-term energy storage, for the benefit of the (often female) gatherers who had to wait a long time between meals. Subcutaneous fat is less active metabolically than visceral fat. "It's like a big bucket," Smith says. "It locks the fat in." Put another way, it keeps accepting excess caloric energy that might otherwise end up in the abdomen. Jean-Pierre Després, director of research in cardiology at the Laval Hospital Research Center in Quebec City, calls subcutaneous fat "an expandable metabolic sink."
Compared with women, men not only have "a smaller gluteofemoral [butt-thigh] bucket," notes Smith, but they also have twice as much visceral fat, the stereotypical beer belly. (Approaching menopause, women start to catch up.) The belly may feel hard to the touch instead of soft, the visceral fat pushing up against the muscles of the abdominal wall. Health profiles reflect this sexual dimorphism: Men tend to be less insulin sensitive than women.
One of the first to make this link was Jean Vague, a professor on the faculty of medicine at the University of Marseille. In 1956 he recognized this male-pattern obesity—also called android obesity—and observed that it leads to "metabolic disturbances," including diabetes. Vague was far ahead of his time. "Obesity wasn't a big deal in the '50s," Smith says. "We were dealing with polio." Nowadays a person with android obesity would be called an "apple," while a person with gynoid obesity ("with lower-body predominance," Vague wrote) would be a "pear." As anyone who has read a fitness magazine knows, apples are bad, pears are good.
Visceral and subcutaneous fat are like "two separate organs, each with its own function," Hamdy says. Underscoring the difference are the disappointing results of efforts to improve patients' metabolic states through liposuction. When surgeons took out large amounts of abdominal fat—in one case 20 pounds of it— the patients experienced no improvement in insulin sensitivity. The type of fat that liposuction sucks out happens to be subcutaneous and hence benign; in some cases, the liposuction actually increased the amount of visceral fat, elevating the patients' risk. "It looks as if there's a messenger," Hamdy says. "The two types of fat have a language. Each senses the other."
Unless you have a CT scan or MRI, you cannot know for sure how much visceral fat you have, because it is hidden—but you can get a pretty good idea by measuring your waist. To assess the reliability of this extremely simple diagnostic tool, a committee that included Després supervised an International Day for the
Evaluation of Abdominal Obesity in 2005, during which 6,400 primary care physicians in 63 countries gathered the waist measurements and health statistics of 180,000 patients. (Each physician had been sent an instructional video on how measuring should be done: Use bony landmarks, not the navel, because the waist lies midway between the bottom of the lowest rib and the top of the hip bone.) The results, according to Després, were "overwhelmingly clear": The correlation was 97 percent. "The greater the waist circumference, the greater the prevalence of diabetes and heart disease."
Physicians generally recommend that women have waists less than 35 inches around, men less than 40 inches. With the rapid rise in obesity in the United States, the average American woman's waist grew 1.3 inches in the six years between 1994 and 2000, the average man's 1.1 inches. Sumo wrestlers are a colorful and instructive exception. Big, big eaters and artificially obese, they look like prime candidates for heart disease and diabetes and would definitely fail the belt test. Nevertheless, Hamdy reports, they are "extremely insulin sensitive and don't have hypertension." Body scans reveal that sumo wrestlers typically have little visceral fat, presumably because they exercise six to eight hours a day. Most of what hangs over their mawashis is subcutaneous fat. When they retire, however, if they keep eating, their visceral fat balloons.
So what is it about abundant fat deep inside the belly that inclines a person to diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and other ills? Why should having a beer belly be so much worse than having humongous hips, thunder thighs, a well-padded bottom, loglike arms, or an opera-singer bosom? Until recently, adipose tissue was considered passive and inert, simply a place to store energy. Anatomy books often didn't even show fat because it obscured the view of the structures underneath. That changed in 1994 with the discovery of leptin, an appetite-inhibiting hormone, and with the revelation that it is secreted by fat. The following year Philipp Scherer and others discovered adiponectin, a hormone that is protective against diabetes, also secreted by fat.
Since then investigators have found dozens of biologically active substances that are released by fat cells or by cells residing in fat. The list includes immunomodulators, coagulation factors, hormones and prohormones, inflammatory and proinflammatory markers, enzymes, and lipids. Together these substances "have a profound effect on the whole system," Scherer says. Fat is now considered to be an active, complex endocrine organ, like the pancreas.
Of the fat depots, visceral fat is the most active—"very lively," Després says—secreting and mobilizing substances in the greatest quantity. It releases a lot of fatty acids (breakdown products of fat) into the bloodstream through the portal vein and liver, a phenomenon that until recently had been thought of as the major reason why fat promotes insulin resistance. Lately, though, the focus has shifted to fat's link with inflammation.
"When people get older or more obese," Hamdy says, "some of the visceral fat cells mature and become large, lazy, and dysfunctional." As people continue to eat and the fat pads expand, some cells get too full and rupture. Immune cells called macrophages, the janitors of the body, invade the site to clean up. In the process they induce inflammation; the cells also secrete other inflammatory chemicals, like interleukin-6 and tumor necrosis factor-alpha, which are known to adhere to the endothelium of the blood vessels, an early event in atherosclerosis.
"The inflammation isn't what you'd measure in a patient with bacterial infection, which would be 1,000 times higher," Scherer says. "It's subclinical, just a bit higher than background, little needle pricks rather than a sledgehammer blow. But over many, many years of chronic exposure, it can have a negative impact on cardiovascular health and insulin sensitivity."
The prevailing view about what makes visceral fat special has been its location, according to C. Ronald Kahn, president and director of the Joslin Diabetes Center. As Scherer points out, "It is in a privileged position with respect to the liver," into which the fat dumps a rich concentration of chemicals collected from the abdominal cavity. It wraps around the intestines and thus has "first dibs" at nutrients, Scherer adds.
But is there something distinctive about the fat itself? "Maybe the fat in different depots is intrinsically, developmentally different," Kahn says. He was encouraged in his thinking by, among other things, the question he repeatedly heard at cocktail parties: "You study fat, Dr. Kahn. Tell me, why is it that when I gain weight it goes right to my hips?" He pondered it over his canapés. "Why should this be if all fat cells are equal? Why do different families gain in different ways?"
Kahn started with mice. He and a colleague took samples of both visceral and subcutaneous fat from the mice and, using gene chips, identified the genes in the fat cells as well as in precursor fat cells. Among the 20,000 mouse genes, the researchers found 200 that were different in the two fat depots. Twelve of those were genes that control fundamental aspects of development, which is "twice what you'd expect," Kahn says. Some of the 12 genes were expressed much more in one kind of fat than in the other, in many cases at rates 100 times higher.
At Kahn's request, a colleague in Germany, Matthais Blüher of the University of Leipzig, looked at 10 of the same genes in samples of visceral and subcutaneous fat he had taken from humans (a third of the subjects were lean, a third overweight, and a third obese). He found up to 1,000-fold differences in the levels of gene expression. "Some genes were turned way on in subcutaneous fat," Kahn reports, "and others were turned way on in visceral fat." Three of the genes seemed to be related to overall obesity. When the scientists looked at the level of the genes' expression, they could correctly identify the body mass of the person the fat came from. "It is pretty clear," Kahn sums up, "that both obesity and body shape are to a large extent genetically programmed."
James Kirkland of Boston University Medical Center would agree. From his own work, he concludes that fat distribution has an even stronger genetic basis than obesity, with the former 70 percent attributable to hereditary factors compared with 40 to 50 percent for the latter. When Kirkland took progenitor fat cells from human fats—subcutaneous, omental, and mesenteric—and cultured them, they retained their distinctive characteristics even after 40 population doublings. "They seemed to retain a memory of the fat depot they came from," he says.
You don't need gene chips to see genetic influence in human body shape: think of Hottentot women with their steatopygous buttocks or "the elderly Indian gentleman with skinny legs and arms and no butt but this gut," as Scherer puts it. Studies show Southeast Asians are particularly prone to visceral obesity, which may help explain why India has such a high rate of type 2 diabetes—more than 12 percent of the population is affected, nearly twice as high as the U.S. incidence. The Indian gentleman also illustrates that not everyone who is generally lean is healthy, and not everyone who is obese is at risk. There ought to be a new definition of obesity, Hamdy proposes, "one based on the location of fat rather than on its volume."
Recent studies show that the health problems associated with visceral fat are wide-ranging. Over the past two decades, research scientist Rachel Whitmer at the Kaiser Permanente Division of Research in Oakland, California, has tracked over 6,000 members of Kaiser starting when they were age 40 to 45 in an effort to learn if there is a connection between central obesity and dementia. She has found an alarming link: Subjects who had a healthy weight at midlife but were, nevertheless, in the top 20 percent of the study population in central obesity (the amount of fat around the middle) were 65 percent more likely to develop dementia than
those in the bottom 20 percent. "Measures of central obesity are more important than total weight," she concludes. What was responsible for the mental decline, Whitmer speculates, was a "lifetime exposure to metabolic dysregulation."
Other studies show that visceral obesity raises a person's risk of developing colon cancer, perhaps because it increases circulating levels of hormones that affect cell growth. Also elevated: gallstones (because of insulin resistance in the liver?), gastrointestinal disease (increased immune activity?), terminal cirrhosis (insulin resistance and fatty liver?), breast cancer, ovarian cystic disease, and sleep apnea. Després notes that there's a correlation between waist and neck circumference, and people who suffer from sleep apnea may have excess fat inside their necks.
What can be done to minimize fat and the trouble it causes? Lose weight; even modest losses reduce health risks, and visceral fat stores seem to go first. (Subcutaneous fat is actually harder to get rid of.) A second piece of advice: Do not eat trans fats. In a recent study at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, 42 male vervet monkeys were fed the same number of calories but in different oils—either as ordinary monounsaturated fat or as trans-monounsaturated fat—every day for six years. Only the trans fat, which is modified chemically to stiffen the fat to prolong its shelf life, had a negative health impact. The animals that ate trans fat not only packed weight in their bellies but also developed signs of insulin resistance. "It looked as if the metabolic syndrome was developing," says Lawrence Rudel, a biochemist at Wake Forest and the director of the study.
Another fat fighter is exercise. Chris Slentz, senior research scientist at Duke University Medical Center, found during an eight-month study at Duke that men and women in their early fifties who took a brisk half- hour walk six times a week saw no increase in their visceral fat stores (and those who walked or jogged more reduced those stores), while controls, who ate the same amount but didn't exercise, had an 8.6 percent increase in their visceral fat.
Reducing stress also helps. Studies in mice have shown that excess glucocorticoids—stress-related hormones —can produce visceral obesity and diabetes. Surgically excising part of a person's visceral fat, as Edward Mun did for Frank Garofolo, helped four of the other five obese patients he tried it on; their insulin sensitivity, blood sugar, and cholesterol showed modest improvement. Yet "it's not going to be an established practice," Mun insists. "We already have very good gastric bypass and banding procedures, which cause weight loss and are well established and safe—and don't take two hours." (And forget about liposuction, since it leaves visceral fat in place and could even augment it.)
Kahn thinks that scientists may eventually be able to redistribute fat by turning off developmental genes. Or they may be able to insert subcutaneous fat—which, in addition to serving as an energy bucket, "may be making some beneficial substance"—into depots of visceral fat. Or they may use hormones to convert visceral to brown fat, a type of fat (most often found in infants) that burns calories rather than stores them.
Meanwhile, researchers are looking for drug strategies. In the lab of Nir Barzilai, director of the Institute for Aging Research at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Francine Einstein (not a descendant) has given an experimental drug to 30 rats while shining a light on their visceral fat. Within three weeks, the animals had lost 40 to 60 percent of the fat. The goal is to do the same for humans someday and thus improve their insulin sensitivity. If that approach succeeds, Garofolo may finally share in the lab rats' good fortune.0 -
So when I was "skinny fat" as a teenager I basically was a bone from belly button up with cellulite still on my butt and thighs. And not just a little cellulite. I cried looking at myself in mirrors at stores because nothing looked good. You could even tell the cellulite bumps through my pants. I did not look attractive like all of y'all who have posted pictures in this thread
I've learned to love myself as the years have went by and I have a loving husband as well. With a little more weight I am filled out on top some more and of course the cellulite is still there but I'm gonna try to see what I can do about bringing it down a bit this summer with a lifting program.0 -
That's a very interesting comment on the sumo wrestlers.Killer Fat | DiscoverMagazine.com 2/18/13 3:58 PM
FROM THE FEBRUARY 2007 ISSUE
Killer Fat Not all fats are equal.
By Mariana Gosnell | Wednesday, February 28, 2007
"I wish I were a rat," Frank Garofolo, a 56-year-old investment banker in Boston, said recently. Garofolo has diabetes, as do his mother, father, and brother; his sister died of it. He had just been told about an experiment at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City in which a plump lab rat lost more than half its intra-abdominal fat when it was exposed to a drug-and-light therapy usually used to kill tumors. A couple of years earlier, Garofolo had submitted to experimental surgery himself at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, during which a surgeon pulled chunks of ivory-colored fat out through small openings in his belly. Although the loss of 4! pounds of intra-abdominal fat allowed Garofolo to go from a tight size 44 belt to a loose one, it didn't have the effect he so fervently desired—boosting his insulin sensitivity and lessening the severity of his diabetes—leaving him desperate enough to envy a rat.
More than fat anywhere else in the body—even more than overall obesity—intra-abdominal, or visceral, fat is associated with pernicious health effects in humans. A major effect is reduced sensitivity to insulin, the hormone that helps glucose enter the body's cells. Biologists lump visceral obesity (having a large midsection) with a cluster of other more obvious physiological abnormalities—high triglycerides, high blood pressure, high fasting blood sugar, and low HDLs (high-density lipoproteins, the so-called good cholesterol) —under the umbrella term metabolic syndrome; people with this condition are at increased risk for cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes.
Studies have shown visceral obesity to be a risk factor on its own as well, a strong predictor of, among other things, heart attacks in young men, chronic heart failure in older people, high blood pressure in Japanese Americans, heart attacks in "well functioning" elderly women, and—the clincher, the coup de grease, if you will—of "all-cause mortality" in men. Having an excess of visceral fat has also been implicated in the development of Alzheimer's disease, colon cancer, gallstones, ovarian cystic disease, breast cancer, and sleep apnea.
"Visceral obesity," declares Philipp Scherer, a professor of cell biology and medicine at Albert Einstein and an expert on fat, "does seem to be truly evil."
Yet most people have never even heard of visceral fat. A survey released last year by the World Heart Federation concluded that most Americans are unaware that visceral fat is a leading risk factor for heart disease—even though, by one estimate, almost 46 percent of adult Americans have an excess of it. Moreover, the majority of physicians do not regularly check their patients' girth, which is the primary indicator of visceral obesity. "We are where cholesterol was in 1970 or blood pressure was in 1960," says obesity researcher Steven Smith of the Pennington Biomedical Research Center in Baton Rouge.
Visceral fat lies deep inside the abdomen, surrounding vital organs like the liver, heart, intestines, and kidneys, as well as hanging, in a separate double flap, off the ends of the stomach like an apron. In lean
people, the flap, known as the omentum, is thin enough to be seen through (by someone in a position to have a look, that is). In obese people it may be inches thick, fused, and "hard like cake," according to Edward Mun, now director of bariatric surgery at Faulkner Hospital in Boston; he is the surgeon who removed part of Garofolo's omentum. Packed around the organs is another type of visceral fat, called mesenteric.
The abdominal region harbors still another kind of fat, which lies outside the abdominal wall, just under the skin. This subcutaneous, or peripheral, fat tends to be soft and flabby; you can pinch or grab it. It has two compartments, the deeper of which is thought, like visceral fat, to have negative effects on health. The superficial layer may cause cosmetic distress in women who get a buildup of it as they age, but from a medical perspective it is considered benign. Subcutaneous fat also appears outside the abdominal area, on the lower body—the hips, buttocks, and upper thighs. There it is not only benign but actually beneficial.
"Peripheral fat is, in reality, good fat," explains Osama Hamdy, director of the obesity clinic at the Joslin Diabetic Center.
Before menopause, women tend to have more good fat than men do. One interpretation holds that, through most of human evolution, visceral fat was useful for short-term storage—it accumulates quickly and is released quickly—for the benefit of male hunters who needed quick access to energy. Subcutaneous fat, in contrast, was meant for long-term energy storage, for the benefit of the (often female) gatherers who had to wait a long time between meals. Subcutaneous fat is less active metabolically than visceral fat. "It's like a big bucket," Smith says. "It locks the fat in." Put another way, it keeps accepting excess caloric energy that might otherwise end up in the abdomen. Jean-Pierre Després, director of research in cardiology at the Laval Hospital Research Center in Quebec City, calls subcutaneous fat "an expandable metabolic sink."
Compared with women, men not only have "a smaller gluteofemoral [butt-thigh] bucket," notes Smith, but they also have twice as much visceral fat, the stereotypical beer belly. (Approaching menopause, women start to catch up.) The belly may feel hard to the touch instead of soft, the visceral fat pushing up against the muscles of the abdominal wall. Health profiles reflect this sexual dimorphism: Men tend to be less insulin sensitive than women.
One of the first to make this link was Jean Vague, a professor on the faculty of medicine at the University of Marseille. In 1956 he recognized this male-pattern obesity—also called android obesity—and observed that it leads to "metabolic disturbances," including diabetes. Vague was far ahead of his time. "Obesity wasn't a big deal in the '50s," Smith says. "We were dealing with polio." Nowadays a person with android obesity would be called an "apple," while a person with gynoid obesity ("with lower-body predominance," Vague wrote) would be a "pear." As anyone who has read a fitness magazine knows, apples are bad, pears are good.
Visceral and subcutaneous fat are like "two separate organs, each with its own function," Hamdy says. Underscoring the difference are the disappointing results of efforts to improve patients' metabolic states through liposuction. When surgeons took out large amounts of abdominal fat—in one case 20 pounds of it— the patients experienced no improvement in insulin sensitivity. The type of fat that liposuction sucks out happens to be subcutaneous and hence benign; in some cases, the liposuction actually increased the amount of visceral fat, elevating the patients' risk. "It looks as if there's a messenger," Hamdy says. "The two types of fat have a language. Each senses the other."
Unless you have a CT scan or MRI, you cannot know for sure how much visceral fat you have, because it is hidden—but you can get a pretty good idea by measuring your waist. To assess the reliability of this extremely simple diagnostic tool, a committee that included Després supervised an International Day for the
Evaluation of Abdominal Obesity in 2005, during which 6,400 primary care physicians in 63 countries gathered the waist measurements and health statistics of 180,000 patients. (Each physician had been sent an instructional video on how measuring should be done: Use bony landmarks, not the navel, because the waist lies midway between the bottom of the lowest rib and the top of the hip bone.) The results, according to Després, were "overwhelmingly clear": The correlation was 97 percent. "The greater the waist circumference, the greater the prevalence of diabetes and heart disease."
Physicians generally recommend that women have waists less than 35 inches around, men less than 40 inches. With the rapid rise in obesity in the United States, the average American woman's waist grew 1.3 inches in the six years between 1994 and 2000, the average man's 1.1 inches. Sumo wrestlers are a colorful and instructive exception. Big, big eaters and artificially obese, they look like prime candidates for heart disease and diabetes and would definitely fail the belt test. Nevertheless, Hamdy reports, they are "extremely insulin sensitive and don't have hypertension." Body scans reveal that sumo wrestlers typically have little visceral fat, presumably because they exercise six to eight hours a day. Most of what hangs over their mawashis is subcutaneous fat. When they retire, however, if they keep eating, their visceral fat balloons.
So what is it about abundant fat deep inside the belly that inclines a person to diabetes, heart disease, stroke, and other ills? Why should having a beer belly be so much worse than having humongous hips, thunder thighs, a well-padded bottom, loglike arms, or an opera-singer bosom? Until recently, adipose tissue was considered passive and inert, simply a place to store energy. Anatomy books often didn't even show fat because it obscured the view of the structures underneath. That changed in 1994 with the discovery of leptin, an appetite-inhibiting hormone, and with the revelation that it is secreted by fat. The following year Philipp Scherer and others discovered adiponectin, a hormone that is protective against diabetes, also secreted by fat.
Since then investigators have found dozens of biologically active substances that are released by fat cells or by cells residing in fat. The list includes immunomodulators, coagulation factors, hormones and prohormones, inflammatory and proinflammatory markers, enzymes, and lipids. Together these substances "have a profound effect on the whole system," Scherer says. Fat is now considered to be an active, complex endocrine organ, like the pancreas.
Of the fat depots, visceral fat is the most active—"very lively," Després says—secreting and mobilizing substances in the greatest quantity. It releases a lot of fatty acids (breakdown products of fat) into the bloodstream through the portal vein and liver, a phenomenon that until recently had been thought of as the major reason why fat promotes insulin resistance. Lately, though, the focus has shifted to fat's link with inflammation.
"When people get older or more obese," Hamdy says, "some of the visceral fat cells mature and become large, lazy, and dysfunctional." As people continue to eat and the fat pads expand, some cells get too full and rupture. Immune cells called macrophages, the janitors of the body, invade the site to clean up. In the process they induce inflammation; the cells also secrete other inflammatory chemicals, like interleukin-6 and tumor necrosis factor-alpha, which are known to adhere to the endothelium of the blood vessels, an early event in atherosclerosis.
"The inflammation isn't what you'd measure in a patient with bacterial infection, which would be 1,000 times higher," Scherer says. "It's subclinical, just a bit higher than background, little needle pricks rather than a sledgehammer blow. But over many, many years of chronic exposure, it can have a negative impact on cardiovascular health and insulin sensitivity."
The prevailing view about what makes visceral fat special has been its location, according to C. Ronald Kahn, president and director of the Joslin Diabetes Center. As Scherer points out, "It is in a privileged position with respect to the liver," into which the fat dumps a rich concentration of chemicals collected from the abdominal cavity. It wraps around the intestines and thus has "first dibs" at nutrients, Scherer adds.
But is there something distinctive about the fat itself? "Maybe the fat in different depots is intrinsically, developmentally different," Kahn says. He was encouraged in his thinking by, among other things, the question he repeatedly heard at cocktail parties: "You study fat, Dr. Kahn. Tell me, why is it that when I gain weight it goes right to my hips?" He pondered it over his canapés. "Why should this be if all fat cells are equal? Why do different families gain in different ways?"
Kahn started with mice. He and a colleague took samples of both visceral and subcutaneous fat from the mice and, using gene chips, identified the genes in the fat cells as well as in precursor fat cells. Among the 20,000 mouse genes, the researchers found 200 that were different in the two fat depots. Twelve of those were genes that control fundamental aspects of development, which is "twice what you'd expect," Kahn says. Some of the 12 genes were expressed much more in one kind of fat than in the other, in many cases at rates 100 times higher.
At Kahn's request, a colleague in Germany, Matthais Blüher of the University of Leipzig, looked at 10 of the same genes in samples of visceral and subcutaneous fat he had taken from humans (a third of the subjects were lean, a third overweight, and a third obese). He found up to 1,000-fold differences in the levels of gene expression. "Some genes were turned way on in subcutaneous fat," Kahn reports, "and others were turned way on in visceral fat." Three of the genes seemed to be related to overall obesity. When the scientists looked at the level of the genes' expression, they could correctly identify the body mass of the person the fat came from. "It is pretty clear," Kahn sums up, "that both obesity and body shape are to a large extent genetically programmed."
James Kirkland of Boston University Medical Center would agree. From his own work, he concludes that fat distribution has an even stronger genetic basis than obesity, with the former 70 percent attributable to hereditary factors compared with 40 to 50 percent for the latter. When Kirkland took progenitor fat cells from human fats—subcutaneous, omental, and mesenteric—and cultured them, they retained their distinctive characteristics even after 40 population doublings. "They seemed to retain a memory of the fat depot they came from," he says.
You don't need gene chips to see genetic influence in human body shape: think of Hottentot women with their steatopygous buttocks or "the elderly Indian gentleman with skinny legs and arms and no butt but this gut," as Scherer puts it. Studies show Southeast Asians are particularly prone to visceral obesity, which may help explain why India has such a high rate of type 2 diabetes—more than 12 percent of the population is affected, nearly twice as high as the U.S. incidence. The Indian gentleman also illustrates that not everyone who is generally lean is healthy, and not everyone who is obese is at risk. There ought to be a new definition of obesity, Hamdy proposes, "one based on the location of fat rather than on its volume."
Recent studies show that the health problems associated with visceral fat are wide-ranging. Over the past two decades, research scientist Rachel Whitmer at the Kaiser Permanente Division of Research in Oakland, California, has tracked over 6,000 members of Kaiser starting when they were age 40 to 45 in an effort to learn if there is a connection between central obesity and dementia. She has found an alarming link: Subjects who had a healthy weight at midlife but were, nevertheless, in the top 20 percent of the study population in central obesity (the amount of fat around the middle) were 65 percent more likely to develop dementia than
those in the bottom 20 percent. "Measures of central obesity are more important than total weight," she concludes. What was responsible for the mental decline, Whitmer speculates, was a "lifetime exposure to metabolic dysregulation."
Other studies show that visceral obesity raises a person's risk of developing colon cancer, perhaps because it increases circulating levels of hormones that affect cell growth. Also elevated: gallstones (because of insulin resistance in the liver?), gastrointestinal disease (increased immune activity?), terminal cirrhosis (insulin resistance and fatty liver?), breast cancer, ovarian cystic disease, and sleep apnea. Després notes that there's a correlation between waist and neck circumference, and people who suffer from sleep apnea may have excess fat inside their necks.
What can be done to minimize fat and the trouble it causes? Lose weight; even modest losses reduce health risks, and visceral fat stores seem to go first. (Subcutaneous fat is actually harder to get rid of.) A second piece of advice: Do not eat trans fats. In a recent study at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, 42 male vervet monkeys were fed the same number of calories but in different oils—either as ordinary monounsaturated fat or as trans-monounsaturated fat—every day for six years. Only the trans fat, which is modified chemically to stiffen the fat to prolong its shelf life, had a negative health impact. The animals that ate trans fat not only packed weight in their bellies but also developed signs of insulin resistance. "It looked as if the metabolic syndrome was developing," says Lawrence Rudel, a biochemist at Wake Forest and the director of the study.
Another fat fighter is exercise. Chris Slentz, senior research scientist at Duke University Medical Center, found during an eight-month study at Duke that men and women in their early fifties who took a brisk half- hour walk six times a week saw no increase in their visceral fat stores (and those who walked or jogged more reduced those stores), while controls, who ate the same amount but didn't exercise, had an 8.6 percent increase in their visceral fat.
Reducing stress also helps. Studies in mice have shown that excess glucocorticoids—stress-related hormones —can produce visceral obesity and diabetes. Surgically excising part of a person's visceral fat, as Edward Mun did for Frank Garofolo, helped four of the other five obese patients he tried it on; their insulin sensitivity, blood sugar, and cholesterol showed modest improvement. Yet "it's not going to be an established practice," Mun insists. "We already have very good gastric bypass and banding procedures, which cause weight loss and are well established and safe—and don't take two hours." (And forget about liposuction, since it leaves visceral fat in place and could even augment it.)
Kahn thinks that scientists may eventually be able to redistribute fat by turning off developmental genes. Or they may be able to insert subcutaneous fat—which, in addition to serving as an energy bucket, "may be making some beneficial substance"—into depots of visceral fat. Or they may use hormones to convert visceral to brown fat, a type of fat (most often found in infants) that burns calories rather than stores them.
Meanwhile, researchers are looking for drug strategies. In the lab of Nir Barzilai, director of the Institute for Aging Research at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Francine Einstein (not a descendant) has given an experimental drug to 30 rats while shining a light on their visceral fat. Within three weeks, the animals had lost 40 to 60 percent of the fat. The goal is to do the same for humans someday and thus improve their insulin sensitivity. If that approach succeeds, Garofolo may finally share in the lab rats' good fortune.0 -
Women's fat cells are a different shape. You can lightly pinch skin anywhere and on any women's body and you will see that dimply cottage cheese effect. Not so on a man, their fat cells are more alongated.
Yes! This is what was referring to earlier sorta...but it was the crisscrossing of womens muscles that causes it while the person said mens were aligned parallel. Wonder if there's any evidence for that?
Men can have cellulite too. Cellulite is fat - its appearance is caused by the distribution of fat and the connective tissue of the skin. Women have it more often because of hormones, their generally higher percentage of body fat and the differing distribution of that fat on the body.
ETA: It's that subcutaneous fat mentioned in the above article.0 -
"with women the collagen fibers (connective tissue)which are responsible for tear resistance are alligned parallel to each other. Men show a crosswise (weblike) allignment."Women's fat cells are a different shape. You can lightly pinch skin anywhere and on any women's body and you will see that dimply cottage cheese effect. Not so on a man, their fat cells are more alongated.
Yes! This is what was referring to earlier sorta...but it was the crisscrossing of womens muscles that causes it while the person said mens were aligned parallel. Wonder if there's any evidence for that?
Men can have cellulite too. Cellulite is fat - its appearance is caused by the distribution of fat and the connective tissue of the skin. Women have it more often because of hormones, their generally higher percentage of body fat and the differing distribution of that fat on the body.
Hmm apparently the guy who told me that got it mixed, apparently the fat is parallell in women and men crisscross:
http://www.gfe-ev.de/seiten/publicse/rubriken/gfe_news_0304.pdf0 -
This is me. This is what skinny fat looks like & I hate it! Trying to get rid of it. I am probably the textbook definition.
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You look great.0
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Permission to make a comment about this photo since I want to make a point...But I don't want you to feel insulted by any means and if you take it constructively I don't think you should feel insulted about it but some people are overly sensitive so figured I'd ask first.Not sure if this will work...if not copy & paste
but yes, here's my "yuck" body that looks "good in clothes but rubbish naked" :laugh:
You're nuts.
"yuck" and "rubbish naked" are what OTHER people have said about skinny fat bodies, which is why I posted my photo, because I am sick of being shamed for my particular body type. This is supposed to be a positive community!
Absolutely! That's fine. And thanks for being so courteous
She look great in this pic, don't get me wrong. I still consider the lighting in this pic is not flattering. I've seen many 'skinny fat' models have phenomenal pictures with just a lighting change (not that I think the above looks bad at all, I just know some photographers who'd make you drop your jaw at pics of the same person). We can't all look good all the time. That said let's check out her bum. Probably not that noticeable, but if you stare at it *gets the internet to creepily oogle* It's wrinkly. Alas, we are not made of balls of perfectly rounded clay.
Since we're on the topic of skinny fat and what does it look like, many people want to know how to get rid of it. Well, my bum was much more groovy about a year ago. Looking at the pic just sent my mind right back even though I can still get pictures like that now. But since many people want to know how to reduce it so people won't think they're the dreaded 'skinny fat' ones I wanted to share. I started hiking ALOT and they went away significantly and my bum has done nothing but lift since. Since I started adding strength training things are lifted and jiggle be gone (to a realistic degree anyway lol). Figured I'd add my 2 sense for a solution to 'skinny fat' since a lot of people seem to ask about it. With that being said, unless we are a freak of nature, we'll all have some. Beware of the unflattering lighting. Particularly if we're women since we carry fat easier (and someone commented to me the other day that it's because womens thigh muscles crisscross and males don't? Have no idea if that's true. Seems a little out there but figured I'd share in case someone has something to throw back at me). I just wanted to add since I've been exercising, particularly since I added strength training, my parts have done nothing but lift themselves.
Yup, you're totally right.
That's my butt, by the way! And the "wrinkles"...that's cellulite! LOTS of it! In fact, I have it all over my stomach, thighs, etc. too.
And if you thought the lighting in this photo was unflattering, you should see it in daylight when you can see the cellulite clearly it's very obvious.
So yeah, I showed this photo because I think I'm a good example of the type of body people are mentioning here, and also that it's not "yuck" or anything to be ashamed of.
I thought you were actually being self deprecating. Hence my thinking you're nuts. Since you look good, and there's no way you should be ashamed of your body. I believe no one should be ashamed of their body, regardless of how good or bad they think they look.0 -
This is me. This is what skinny fat looks like & I hate it! Trying to get rid of it. I am probably the textbook definition.
You look great.
You aren't skinny fat. Looking at your picture, I'd guess about 25% bf (dangerous to guess)
Skinny fat is 35%bf or higher for someone with a BMI in the "normal" range.
Good luck onyour goals! Please understand that your body is normal and fine - you can go for more fit look, if that is what you want. But let go the hate.0 -
This is me. This is what skinny fat looks like & I hate it! Trying to get rid of it. I am probably the textbook definition.
You look great.
You aren't skinny fat. Looking at your picture, I'd guess about 25% bf (dangerous to guess)
Skinny fat is 35%bf or higher for someone with a BMI in the "normal" range.
Good luck onyour goals! Please understand that your body is normal and fine - you can go for more fit look, if that is what you want. But let go the hate.
Yes, this. Don't mistake "I'm not at my goal yet" for something "there's something wrong with me."0 -
I am fat fat so I guess I am triple the "eeww" If that is what skinny fat is, sign me up! I strive to be as yucky as you are.0
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