another fat shaming post
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P.S. Equally as damaging, but not nearly as prevalent: "You should eat a sandwich!" or "Real women have curves."
Real women have vaginas. That's really the only way we measure that.0 -
I am not sure that I know what "fat shaming" is but,......................I am a carb addict. Like all addicts, my mind will make up a thousand excuses to get what it wants. Be it fat, carbs, alchohol, drugs, cigarettes, whatever. Anything that helps a fat, out of shape, un-healthy person get better is great. I am absolutely inspired by all the real people on this site who have lost 100 lbs in one year. I have been on a dozen diets, only to grow bigger after finding a lame excuse, ie. "love yourself as you are" to go back to eating and doing nothing but eat. If someone loves being fat, then they can be fat and do nothing. No-one is forcing them to look @ the pictures. I have lost 17 lbs in the first five weeks on MFP. Got off 6 different blood pressure pills per day. Went from 44W pants to 40's and last night had to wash my new 40W 517's in hot water to shrink them, 'cause they were falling off. MFP works for me because I can see exactly how everything I eat and do effects my health as well as my weight. At my fattest, I was 306 lbs 4 years ago. Diets took me as low as 246 lbs and then I found my self on the yo yo again at 296 lbs a few months ago. No more diets. I just began cutting back my portions and eliminating bad foods and walking. My daughter introduced me to MFP and I started 5 weeks, 3 days ago @ 282 lbs. Today I am @ 265 and feeling better every day. Those who have the courage to post their pics are tougher than I am. It was a picture of me taken @ Christmas with my gang of grandsons that got me motivated again.0
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Do they post the pics a few years later when NINETY FIVE PERCENT have gained back all weight lost ... and usually more? This is the reality. Those "after" photos are the photos of the FIRST part of the weight cycling process that CAUSES most people to gain more weight than when they started. To get OFF the WEIGHT CYCLING merry-go-round, focus on self-care and body appreciation in the body you have today. (And stop promoting your temp weight loss to encourage others to weight cycle.)
I genuinely curious on why you think this?0 -
P.S. Equally as damaging, but not nearly as prevalent: "You should eat a sandwich!" or "Real women have curves."
Real women have vaginas. That's really the only way we measure that.
Some women don't have vaginas either :P
*not being rude here and I love your previous post!
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I love looking at before and after pictures! It shows the accomplishments of that person and they should be TRULY proud of it! Right now, to be honest, I hate the pictures of myself - but I took them so that when I look back, I have something that I can be proud of and see how far I have come. Being a heavier woman, I say if you are comfortable with yourself, then great - good for you. But don't look down on other people for posting pictures for motivation for themselves and others. It's not fat shaming - this site it FULL of people that need encouragement and motivation - sometimes it's just seeing what CAN be accomplished! To me, seeing what another person have accomplished means MORE then any degree or license - because they have been where I am and they can understand what I feel... just my opinion
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Let's be honest. You are not worried about a complete stranger's health. You are judging them based on their appearance, and feeling comfortable about doing it because you are using a random "health" excuse to assume that your judgement has some sort of objective reality. There is nothing objectively wrong with being overweight. I am quite overweight, and yet my blood pressure, heart rate, and cholesterol levels are great. I am not lazy. I do not smell. Fat has become a synonym in our society for all of the horrible things in the world, instead of being what it is - excess weight. Fat shaming is real, and it's not okay.
This! Your entire post was well spoken, but this quote here was magic! Well said!0 -
Sure, that's true, but there's a grey area when you get too big and are really putting your heart or bone/joints at risk, the REALITY OF THE SITUATION gets ugly. It's not natural, and as much as people say we're supposed to have meat on our bones- we're not supposed to be 100 to 200 pounds overweight.I think the main problem is when people think that fat = ugly. Fat doesn't equal ugly. Hating yourself is ugly. Loving yourself is beautiful. You can be fat an love yourself and thus be beautiful. And you can be slim and healthy and hate yourself and thus be ugly.
#justsayin
I agree. My point is that "healthy vs. unhealthy" and "ugly vs. beautiful" should be viewed seperately. When someone feels that their weight makes them ugly, they get depressed, and once they are depressed, how can they move forward to success? That is a serious problem. However, if they were to define their beauty by loving themselves instead, then maybe they can love themselves first, and then have the self-worth to address their health.
You can't get healthy by punishing your body. You have to get healthy by viewing your body as something worth being cared for.
You don't lose weight and THEN discover self-worth, you discover self-worth so that you can lose weight. Does that make sense?
I say things wierd, hopefully that made sense... :P0 -
Doesn't matter what you do or what you write about, someone is always gonna get butt-hurt about it...0
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Loving myself no matter how I look won't prevent me from having a heart attack and dying at 50. It's not about love it's about health.0
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It is a visual representation of what they truly achieved. I think it's both inspiring and motivating - not fat shaming at all.
I think it's important to love yourself and be comfortable with your size, but let's face it....I bet that If you gave these overweight people complaining that it's "fat shaming" the option of either looking like a Victoria Secret model with no effort overnight, or to stick with their current physique because they "love their body" so much; I almost guarantee that they'd all secretly want to look like the model and not their current selves.
Why? Because no one really truly wants to be fat (except maybe Susanne Eman lol )
Source for those who didn't get the Susanne Eman joke :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026964/Susanne-Emans-bid-worlds-fattest-woman-52st-mother-2-supersizing.html0 -
I think it is motivating because you can see the progress and how much healthier and happier people look when they are feeling better about themselves. I imagine it is motivating for the person posting too because they can see how far they have come.0
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Wtf is "fat shaming"?
Facts:
The vast majority of people who are fat, overweight, obese etc are that way because of bad choices, not uncontrollable circumstances. Most of the time, it is our own fault!
Being overweight is UNHEALTHY! It's not even up for discussion. It's been proven countless times. Losing excess body fat not only looks better, it IS better.
Making the commitment to lose fat, become healthy and improve the quality of ones life is an INCREDIBLE feat and should be shared and celebrated!
Posting a before photo is what it is and no more. It marks the beginning of a difficult and amazing journey. And to anyone on this journey, congratulations! It's is a long tough road for most of us and I applaud all of you who commit to changing your life this way!!!
I was FAT. I had been too ashamed to post my before picture. I was ashamed because I was hideous to look at. I was a swollen bulging unhappy mess of a person who missed out on life for a decade! Being obese is a very poor choice. I am ashamed of my poor choices. I can OWN this...other people need to as well:)0 -
Do they post the pics a few years later when NINETY FIVE PERCENT have gained back all weight lost ... and usually more? This is the reality. Those "after" photos are the photos of the FIRST part of the weight cycling process that CAUSES most people to gain more weight than when they started. To get OFF the WEIGHT CYCLING merry-go-round, focus on self-care and body appreciation in the body you have today. (And stop promoting your temp weight loss to encourage others to weight cycle.)
So you are saying I am destined to remain in this unhealthy body, prone to various medical conditions, and I should just "love" my fat, unhealthy body. Sorry, I love myself, who and what I am. I don't necessarily love the package "I" come in right now. I want a new package.
AMEM<3
Sounds like you are "health shaming".0 -
Fat people being angry and bitter they're fat and lazy. That's all there is to it, as harsh as it sounds.
Thank you for illustrating the difference between perceived fat shaming and actual fat shaming.
Newsflash: Not everyone who is overweight got there by being lazy. Disease, prescription drugs, car accidents... on my friends list alone, I've got people in these categories, some of them who had to lose 100+ pounds.
As for the original question, no, I don't see progress pics as fat shaming. But I'm also not going to take cheap shots at those who feel differently than I do.
agreed, my husband was in a head on collision 4 years ago at the age of 29. he fractured his spine, and has been in horrible pain since. in 4 years, he went from 6 ft 2 and 215 pounds, to almost 300 pounds. he was unable to be the active husband and father that we were used to. only this last year, after more invasive procedures, has he had relief from the pain, and in a matter of 6 months, brought his weight back down to 225. he was never, "LAZY"... thats not how he gained his weight... he gained his weight after a devestating car accident caused by a 90 year old women not paying attention to the road!
other than that, WE LOVE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES!!! i dont think its shameful at all... very motivating!!! i have even posted my own progress pics!0 -
Fat people being angry and bitter they're fat and lazy. That's all there is to it, as harsh as it sounds.
Thank you for illustrating the difference between perceived fat shaming and actual fat shaming.
Newsflash: Not everyone who is overweight got there by being lazy. Disease, prescription drugs, car accidents... on my friends list alone, I've got people in these categories, some of them who had to lose 100+ pounds.
As for the original question, no, I don't see progress pics as fat shaming. But I'm also not going to take cheap shots at those who feel differently than I do.
Yea, no. I did not say everyone who is fat is lazy.
I said anyone who is fat AND says that progress pics are "fat shaming" are just bitter that they are fat, and if they are that bitter about it than yes there is a good chance they are lazy about it. Big difference.
It's amazing that nearly every single person who has lost lots of weight and is now fit(no matter whether they gained it from disease,a terrible accident, laziness, overeating etc) will basically say "yup I was lazy then even if only for a little while, and then I decided to make a change and now I'm fit and have overcome my obstacles" whereas anyone who is bitter about being fat will come up with every excuse in the the world on why they got fat/are fat EXCEPT being lazy. How strange.0 -
Doesn't matter what you do or what you write about, someone is always gonna get butt-hurt about it...
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Whether or not it is motivating is dependent upon an individuals goals. We all came her to shed weight, therefore, your responses will pretty much resonate with motivating. However, apparently this lady who made these comments intends to stay big. But rather than her being demotivated, because she really isn't motivated in the first place, it's more likely that it is causing her to feel some measure of guilt for treating her body so badly.
I soooo agree. These people do recognise that they're treating themselves badly but just don't want to admit it. I don't know one overweight person who is genuinely happy being overweight (me included) - despite what they like to pretend to themselves and everyone else. Think of all the restrictions on your life - you can't go and play with your kids, you struggle fitting into swings and rides at the park etc, your health suffers, you set a bad example for your kids, you struggle buying shoes & clothes cos you need wider fittings or bigger sizes. For instance, I'm not particularly large (UK 14) and I hate going into a normal high street stores to buy clothes. Why? Because it is so hard to find anything that fits well or makes me look and feel good in. If I feel that then surely someone bigger than me must feel that too!
Yes society makes everyone feel a bit pressured into being smaller / fitter / prettier etc but think what we'd become if there was no pressure and everyone just let themselves go - I dread to think!! I also think that it is natural to want to look and feel your best. Yes, everyone should be treated equally regardless of their size and yes it's ok to have curves - but when the curves become tyres of fat putting pressure on all your vital organs it's just not pretty regardless what anyone says.
These people just don't want to admit to themselves that their size makes them unhappy and unhealthy because that means that they need to make the first step and do something about it, and I think without a good kick up the backside or that first heart attack (if they survive it) to bring them into reality, sadly they just won't ever admit it to themselves because it requires effort and commitment which they're not willing to give - they've let it go to the point where it's easier for them to do nothing!
In my opinion this is a selfish attitude because they either don't think or don't care about the effect their lifestyle has on their family & friends who probably worry about them on a daily basis and not to mention the huge strain on the health service with billions of taxpayers money being spent every year on weight related illnesses. Being overweight is mostly self inflicted (there are some who are overweight through medical reasons) but it is also treatable and the money spent every year on obesity could be put to better use such as vital funding for research into cancer etc which is not treatable and not self inflicted.
Sure everyone struggles, but if you don't love yourself and respect your body the way you deserve to in order to enjoy your life, nobody else is going to do it for you and I for one would rather put in the effort to make sure that I am as fit and healthy as I can be in order to enjoy my life with my sons and to ensure that I will be there for them for as long as possible and to give them the best possible start in life by setting them the example they need to make sure that they know the importance of eating healthily and looking after themselves for when I'm not here.
Sorry if i ranted but these people just make me MAD!!! All it takes is a bit of effort even if it's only a little bit at a time - at least you're taking responsibility for yourself, your health and you're future.0 -
Whether or not it is motivating is dependent upon an individuals goals. We all came her to shed weight, therefore, your responses will pretty much resonate with motivating. However, apparently this lady who made these comments intends to stay big. But rather than her being demotivated, because she really isn't motivated in the first place, it's more likely that it is causing her to feel some measure of guilt for treating her body so badly.
I soooo agree. These people do recognise that they're treating themselves badly but just don't want to admit it. I don't know one overweight person who is genuinely happy being overweight (me included) - despite what they like to pretend to themselves and everyone else. Think of all the restrictions on your life - you can't go and play with your kids, you struggle fitting into swings and rides at the park etc, your health suffers, you set a bad example for your kids, you struggle buying shoes & clothes cos you need wider fittings or bigger sizes. For instance, I'm not particularly large (UK 14) and I hate going into a normal high street stores to buy clothes. Why? Because it is so hard to find anything that fits well or makes me look and feel good in. If I feel that then surely someone bigger than me must feel that too!
Yes society makes everyone feel a bit pressured into being smaller / fitter / prettier etc but think what we'd become if there was no pressure and everyone just let themselves go - I dread to think!! I also think that it is natural to want to look and feel your best. Yes, everyone should be treated equally regardless of their size and yes it's ok to have curves - but when the curves become tyres of fat putting pressure on all your vital organs it's just not pretty regardless what anyone says.
These people just don't want to admit to themselves that their size makes them unhappy and unhealthy because that means that they need to make the first step and do something about it, and I think without a good kick up the backside or that first heart attack (if they survive it) to bring them into reality, sadly they just won't ever admit it to themselves because it requires effort and commitment which they're not willing to give - they've let it go to the point where it's easier for them to do nothing!
In my opinion this is a selfish attitude because they either don't think or don't care about the effect their lifestyle has on their family & friends who probably worry about them on a daily basis and not to mention the huge strain on the health service with billions of taxpayers money being spent every year on weight related illnesses. Being overweight is mostly self inflicted (there are some who are overweight through medical reasons) but it is also treatable and the money spent every year on obesity could be put to better use such as vital funding for research into cancer etc which is not treatable and not self inflicted.
Sure everyone struggles, but if you don't love yourself and respect your body the way you deserve to in order to enjoy your life, nobody else is going to do it for you and I for one would rather put in the effort to make sure that I am as fit and healthy as I can be in order to enjoy my life with my sons and to ensure that I will be there for them for as long as possible and to give them the best possible start in life by setting them the example they need to make sure that they know the importance of eating healthily and looking after themselves for when I'm not here.
Sorry if i ranted but these people just make me MAD!!! All it takes is a bit of effort even if it's only a little bit at a time - at least you're taking responsibility for yourself, your health and you're future.
You basically just described who I was before I realized who I was and decided to change. Everything you've said is completely true.. Very well worded.0 -
i agree but I'm angry and bitter
This :laugh:0
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