Calling out all of you IIFYM Preachers
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This is stupid..I have a 40/30/30 macro goal and I watch certain micros as well for health reasons...I cannot eat a bunch of junk food an meet my macro goals. However, I can eat a lot of nutritionally dense, whole foods and still have a piece of ****ing cake. Again..this is just stupid and I don't know why it comes up about once per week. Most people who do IIFYM eat pretty damned clean relative to the SAD. I don't know anyone who does IIFYM and just eats **** all the time.
Agreed.
I have yet to come across anyone on this site who says "Oh, IIFYM - just eat a ton of junk food and make it work."
It's usually more like "Make good choices most of the time and you can fit a treat in too." I don't see anything wrong with that. But this whole thread is just about one guy having an issue with another guy and trying to make him a scapegoat against personal food issues/beliefs.0 -
I....I am so confused.
Jonny tells the truth. The other stuff is broscience.
If I want to fit my macros eating arbys and m & ms ill do it, but I realize that A) Ill probably blow my wad on calories and
not get what I need by doing that.
The point that Johnny is trying to make is that you shouldnt have to sacrifice things you love because YOU think that we should eat clean. Eating clean is not maintainable for ME. Its just not. I do like eating Arbys sometimes and I do like drinking beer most times (
) and if I have some calories left over to do those things, by god, I am going to do it!
this is why jonny is dangerous on this site... people believe him even though there are studies and evidence that show eating processed meat, trans fats, and other ingredients found in fast food can lead to everything from heart disease to cognitive malfunction.
I think you're much more dangerous to this site, your idea of health is what will make people give up and forget all about getting healthy. You can still enjoy unhealthy foods and be healthy, what you're saying is pure BRO science and you should be ashamed of yourself!0 -
I wont give myself a stroke. I am simply burning time. I type like an *kitten*, but for some reason that is part of my online persona. I am not like this in person.
Because I was there when it started fully emerging.Why worry so much about what other people are doing? And better yet, why do you feel a need to label the way you eat by saying that you "Do IIFYM" or "Paleo" or "clean" or any of that? Just eat what you personally feel like eating and let others do the same. Who cares if someone else isn't eating the way that YOU think they should be eating based on a silly description?
I could say that I also do IIFYM or that I eat 95% "clean" unprocessed foods, blah blah blah... but it's unnecessary and exhausting to try to fit into a box like that. Heaven forbid that I say I eat "clean" and then I decide one day on a whim to have a Coke Zero because I'm really in the mood for one. Oh no! My whole identity is wrapped up in my dietary doctrine and now I'm not longer a true "clean eater"!
I'm being a bit facetious but you see my point; labels are silly, and worrying about OTHER people's dietary labels and whether or not they give something a 'bad name' is just a waste of your energy, don't you think? You didn't invent the term "IIFYM" so I don't see why you have such a personal sense of pride regarding the subject.
It is the fact people are spreading false information and making it sound like micronutrient intake does not matter at all.
what label are you actually talking about?
Micronutrient intake is a key factor in people's health.
There are also factors that play a role including heavy metals, phytochemicals. antioxidants, etc
but to state that the food doesnt matter is a little extreme
I don't disagree with the idea behind IIFYM, nor do I disagree that micronutrients are vitally important in one's diet. I stated that I also would consider myself to be an IIFYM-er.
However I again ask why it's so important to you that people fit in this little box or that they do things the way you think they should. "I've been doing it a long time" is hardly a reason to be so up in arms over it IMO, but on that note my opinion doesn't matter when it comes to YOUR feelings anymore than YOUR feelings matter when it comes to someone else's diet or, in this case, classification of their diet.
I'm not trying to argue what IIFYM or CLEAN or any of that is, because I know what the terms imply. I'm simply advising that you relax before you give yourself a stroke because someone called their McD's heavy diet "IIFYM". :drinker:
I cant say the same for some people such as lyle mcdonald, who is one of my favorite nutritionists. I am letting you know now I am not actually mad.0 -
Who wants to join me on the couch?
I have something for everyone! Organic fruit salad and popcorn drizzled in dark chocolate!
Ooh, ooh, hold some of that popcorn for me. And fruit salad if there's no melon. Melon = yucky.
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Who wants to join me on the couch?
I have something for everyone! Organic fruit salad and popcorn drizzled in dark chocolate!
I'd like some of both please!
Come on over! :flowerforyou:0 -
Who wants to join me on the couch?
I have something for everyone! Organic fruit salad and popcorn drizzled in dark chocolate!
Ooh, ooh, hold some of that popcorn for me. And fruit salad if there's no melon. Melon = yucky.
I'll pick out the melon just for you!! :laugh:0 -
I wont give myself a stroke. I am simply burning time. I type like an *kitten*, but for some reason that is part of my online persona. I am not like this in person.
Because I was there when it started fully emerging.Why worry so much about what other people are doing? And better yet, why do you feel a need to label the way you eat by saying that you "Do IIFYM" or "Paleo" or "clean" or any of that? Just eat what you personally feel like eating and let others do the same. Who cares if someone else isn't eating the way that YOU think they should be eating based on a silly description?
I could say that I also do IIFYM or that I eat 95% "clean" unprocessed foods, blah blah blah... but it's unnecessary and exhausting to try to fit into a box like that. Heaven forbid that I say I eat "clean" and then I decide one day on a whim to have a Coke Zero because I'm really in the mood for one. Oh no! My whole identity is wrapped up in my dietary doctrine and now I'm not longer a true "clean eater"!
I'm being a bit facetious but you see my point; labels are silly, and worrying about OTHER people's dietary labels and whether or not they give something a 'bad name' is just a waste of your energy, don't you think? You didn't invent the term "IIFYM" so I don't see why you have such a personal sense of pride regarding the subject.
It is the fact people are spreading false information and making it sound like micronutrient intake does not matter at all.
what label are you actually talking about?
Micronutrient intake is a key factor in people's health.
There are also factors that play a role including heavy metals, phytochemicals. antioxidants, etc
but to state that the food doesnt matter is a little extreme
I don't disagree with the idea behind IIFYM, nor do I disagree that micronutrients are vitally important in one's diet. I stated that I also would consider myself to be an IIFYM-er.
However I again ask why it's so important to you that people fit in this little box or that they do things the way you think they should. "I've been doing it a long time" is hardly a reason to be so up in arms over it IMO, but on that note my opinion doesn't matter when it comes to YOUR feelings anymore than YOUR feelings matter when it comes to someone else's diet or, in this case, classification of their diet.
I'm not trying to argue what IIFYM or CLEAN or any of that is, because I know what the terms imply. I'm simply advising that you relax before you give yourself a stroke because someone called their McD's heavy diet "IIFYM". :drinker:
I cant say the same for some people such as lyle mcdonald, who is one of my favorite nutritionists. I am letting you know now I am not actually mad.
Dude you are nerd raging on my screen...0 -
No reasonable proponent of flexible dieting advocates overlooking micros or fiber. Just ****ing drop this argument, I'm sick of hearing it. True flexible dieting does not insists you "just get all of your calories from McDonalds," or some bull**** like this, so just stop.0
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Crap. This doesn't mean I have to put back on the last 138 pounds and start over, does it?0
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I dont know how many of actually read the part where I said eliminating a food group is not a way to live and that moderation is the key.
I bolded it.
I dont see anything unhealthy or even unsatisfying about eating a cheeseburger
I drink diet drinks
I drink water
I eat sweet potatoes
I eat french fries
I drink my alcohol
I drink my protein shake
I think most of you are missing my point of watching your micronutrient intake as well.
Your post was fine... totally got it...and makes some good points...however, the point of your post, IMO, got lost along the way by many due to the constant bickering of the couple in this thread.. I personally think they need counseling.. but eh...what do I know.
But that is my point.
People focused on that one single sentence but they didnt look at what the whole story was about.
Boy who cried wold
"omg no one saved him when he cried wold, those people are horrid"
But did they even understand why no one came?0 -
Who wants to join me on the couch?
I have something for everyone! Organic fruit salad and popcorn drizzled in dark chocolate!
Ooh, ooh, hold some of that popcorn for me. And fruit salad if there's no melon. Melon = yucky.
I'll pick out the melon just for you!! :laugh:
Somehow I knew I could trust you. 0 -
In that case if I was actually nerd raging. Knowing how I act, You would think I would be ready to go outside and shoot everyone.
I wont give myself a stroke. I am simply burning time. I type like an *kitten*, but for some reason that is part of my online persona. I am not like this in person.
Because I was there when it started fully emerging.Why worry so much about what other people are doing? And better yet, why do you feel a need to label the way you eat by saying that you "Do IIFYM" or "Paleo" or "clean" or any of that? Just eat what you personally feel like eating and let others do the same. Who cares if someone else isn't eating the way that YOU think they should be eating based on a silly description?
I could say that I also do IIFYM or that I eat 95% "clean" unprocessed foods, blah blah blah... but it's unnecessary and exhausting to try to fit into a box like that. Heaven forbid that I say I eat "clean" and then I decide one day on a whim to have a Coke Zero because I'm really in the mood for one. Oh no! My whole identity is wrapped up in my dietary doctrine and now I'm not longer a true "clean eater"!
I'm being a bit facetious but you see my point; labels are silly, and worrying about OTHER people's dietary labels and whether or not they give something a 'bad name' is just a waste of your energy, don't you think? You didn't invent the term "IIFYM" so I don't see why you have such a personal sense of pride regarding the subject.
It is the fact people are spreading false information and making it sound like micronutrient intake does not matter at all.
what label are you actually talking about?
Micronutrient intake is a key factor in people's health.
There are also factors that play a role including heavy metals, phytochemicals. antioxidants, etc
but to state that the food doesnt matter is a little extreme
I don't disagree with the idea behind IIFYM, nor do I disagree that micronutrients are vitally important in one's diet. I stated that I also would consider myself to be an IIFYM-er.
However I again ask why it's so important to you that people fit in this little box or that they do things the way you think they should. "I've been doing it a long time" is hardly a reason to be so up in arms over it IMO, but on that note my opinion doesn't matter when it comes to YOUR feelings anymore than YOUR feelings matter when it comes to someone else's diet or, in this case, classification of their diet.
I'm not trying to argue what IIFYM or CLEAN or any of that is, because I know what the terms imply. I'm simply advising that you relax before you give yourself a stroke because someone called their McD's heavy diet "IIFYM". :drinker:
I cant say the same for some people such as lyle mcdonald, who is one of my favorite nutritionists. I am letting you know now I am not actually mad.
Dude you are nerd raging on my screen...0 -
I dont know how many of actually read the part where I said eliminating a food group is not a way to live and that moderation is the key.
I bolded it.
I dont see anything unhealthy or even unsatisfying about eating a cheeseburger
I drink diet drinks
I drink water
I eat sweet potatoes
I eat french fries
I drink my alcohol
I drink my protein shake
I think most of you are missing my point of watching your micronutrient intake as well.
Your post was fine... totally got it...and makes some good points...however, the point of your post, IMO, got lost along the way by many due to the constant bickering of the couple in this thread.. I personally think they need counseling.. but eh...what do I know.
But that is my point.
People focused on that one single sentence but they didnt look at what the whole story was about.
Boy who cried wold
"omg no one saved him when he cried wold, those people are horrid"
But did they even understand why no one came?
lol unfortunately your post got lost due to the goobs arguing. That was my point....your good information went poof due to the right fighters..
lol I'm starting to get friggan confused myself. This thread isn't about deadlifting? OH and..
How YOU doin? :glasses:0 -
I....I am so confused.
Jonny tells the truth. The other stuff is broscience.
If I want to fit my macros eating arbys and m & ms ill do it, but I realize that A) Ill probably blow my wad on calories and not get what I need by doing that.
The point that Johnny is trying to make is that you shouldnt have to sacrifice things you love because YOU think that we should eat clean. Eating clean is not maintainable for ME. Its just not. I do like eating Arbys sometimes and I do like drinking beer most times ( ) and if I have some calories left over to do those things, by god, I am going to do it!
this is why jonny is dangerous on this site... people believe him even though there are studies and evidence that show eating processed meat, trans fats, and other ingredients found in fast food can lead to everything from heart disease to cognitive malfunction.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63/abstract
http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=670153
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20111228/Fatty-food-and-brain-damage-Study-finds-connection.aspx
but because it fits your macros, you're fine.
GMAFB
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Personally I think jonny and Reddi put on some boxing gloves with microphones and blindfolds and see who can sing, dance and box each other till a TKO happens.
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Post may as well have been called "Calling out people who don't actually understand IIFYM". Anyone ignoring micronutrients or satiety is doing it wrong.0
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Why worry so much about what other people are doing? And better yet, why do you feel a need to label the way you eat by saying that you "Do IIFYM" or "Paleo" or "clean" or any of that? Just eat what you personally feel like eating and let others do the same. Who cares if someone else isn't eating the way that YOU think they should be eating based on a silly description?
I could say that I also do IIFYM or that I eat 95% "clean" unprocessed foods, blah blah blah... but it's unnecessary and exhausting to try to fit into a box like that. Heaven forbid that I say I eat "clean" and then I decide one day on a whim to have a Coke Zero because I'm really in the mood for one. Oh no! My whole identity is wrapped up in my dietary doctrine and now I'm not longer a true "clean eater"!
I'm being a bit facetious but you see my point; labels are silly, and worrying about OTHER people's dietary labels and whether or not they give something a 'bad name' is just a waste of your energy, don't you think? You didn't invent the term "IIFYM" so I don't see why you have such a personal sense of pride regarding the subject.
I like you.
Also, I think that you touch on a very important point here. I see alot of people who identify themselves as paleo and "clean eaters" really struggle to adhere to this. They either are paleo for a year or two and give it up or they become Paleo Nazis and restrict themselves socially to avoid certain foods. Which, in my opinion, is an unhealthy outlook on food.
I've been on this site for quite sometime and I don't think I've ever seen someone suggesting eating nothing but donuts, fried ice cream, and whey protein for breakfast lunch and dinner. The whole point of IIFYM is to have a well balanced diet, hit your macros, get adequate fiber and vitamins, and be able to enjoy life a little bit.
I like you back! I think you summed up the point I am trying to make, which is that trying to put labels on something so vast as the way you eat can be detrimental to a lot of people. "I did Paleo but then I went to a party and I ate a handful of Doritos in a moment of weakness... so I quit." The whole idea of IIFYM is exactly what I think everyone should strive for; balance focusing on a high-quality (in terms of micronutrients) diet, but I just don't see the need to label it.
If, however, people feel the need to label their diets in such a way that is their perogative, but trying to force other's to see things exactly the way you see them, and interpret things exactly the way you interpret them is an exercise in futility.
The day I invent some amazing diet or workout plan and sell it to the masses is the day I'll care how people interpret the fruits of my labors. Until then, I won't stress about such arbitrary things.0 -
You need to stop preaching the whole bull**** about it doesnt matter about what food you eat.
I have followed IIFYM for a long time, before it became a big fad,(no hipster)
IT should be IIFYMAM! If it fits your macros and micronutrients!
It does matter, you do need to hit the MICRONUTRIENT targets regardless.
You cannot obtain all of it from a multivitamin
You are drifting from the original point of IIFYM. it allows moderation and is sustainable. It wasnt meant for you to eat mcdonalds everyday and throw in a protein shake to hit your daily amounts.
Another factor is for those who are cutting. They food that is chosen for the paleo diet is the most ideal food for helping you diet due to the satiety.
There is some truth behind paleo diet. Regardless if I think eliminating food groups from your diet is not a way to live.
Meat and potatoes will always be superb due to the fulfilling of calorie for calorie. I am still waiting for more satiety studies to be published.
its like comparing a bagel to a donut. both of it provides a crap fullness but 1 bagel is much more filling than a donut, which is about the same calories.
you would have to eat about 1.5 donuts to get the filling that 1 bagel would provide you. so you would be consuming 2x the calories.
Dont get me wrong. Calories will determine if we lose weight or not. That is not the only key player in sustaining a cut though. Hunger plays a huge role.
You are destroying the IIFYM name and original cause. You need to understand that moderation is the key for everything and you are no better than all of the other diet extremists.
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Can't we all get along and go find a HGC or Alli thread to go beat up on? :smokin: :sad:
Alli makes me poop grease.0 -
No reasonable proponent of flexible dieting advocates overlooking micros or fiber. Just ****ing drop this argument, I'm sick of hearing it. True flexible dieting does not insists you "just get all of your calories from McDonalds," or some bull**** like this, so just stop.
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