Calling out all of you IIFYM Preachers
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Good logic here :huh:I frequently watch the wild animals that roam my backyard. I don't believe any of them have ever captured a fleeing McDonalds cheeseburger or sprinting Snickers bar. They don't seem riddled with disease or cancer and diabetes from eating naturally and are lean and strong. So I personally will choose to continue eating like them, but it is a personal choice.0 -
what was the point of linking this?0 -
what is dirty?OP.
Here, you'll feel better.
But, but, there is clean food touching the dirty food! Does that make the clean food no longer clean?0 -
what is IIFYM???
If It Fits Your Macros. The idea is to set macro goals - typically calories, protein, fat, carbs, fiber - and to eat pretty much whatever you want to achieve those goals every day.
Is that the goal? I don't follow it, but what I've read on MFP that is not the goal, though some misinterpret it that way (which I think is the point of the OP).
The "point" as I understand it (strictly from MFP, as I've never heard of it anywhere else) is that the meeting micronutrients is implied. I think the OP is spot on, that it should be more than implied. It should be emphasized.
According to Layne Norton, an incredibly brilliant guy with a PhD in nutrition, if you're hitting appropriate macro goals it's tough not to also have good micro intake. I agree with this. Sure, if you're eating nothing but protein powder and olive oil and sugar and fiber supplements to meet your macro goals you're not going to be doing well.
But, IMO, if you eat like a normal human being and are eating veggies 2-3 times a day, you really have nothing to worry about.
"and are eating veggies 2-3 times a day"
That is not going to equate to "eat pretty much whatever you want" for many people.
That's why when people ask for diet advice, I specifically advise them to eat veggies and the occasional fruit.
That is good advice, but off point as to the meaning IIFYM.0 -
what is IIFYM???
If It Fits Your Macros. The idea is to set macro goals - typically calories, protein, fat, carbs, fiber - and to eat pretty much whatever you want to achieve those goals every day.
Is that the goal? I don't follow it, but what I've read on MFP that is not the goal, though some misinterpret it that way (which I think is the point of the OP).
The "point" as I understand it (strictly from MFP, as I've never heard of it anywhere else) is that the meeting micronutrients is implied. I think the OP is spot on, that it should be more than implied. It should be emphasized.
According to Layne Norton, an incredibly brilliant guy with a PhD in nutrition, if you're hitting appropriate macro goals it's tough not to also have good micro intake. I agree with this. Sure, if you're eating nothing but protein powder and olive oil and sugar and fiber supplements to meet your macro goals you're not going to be doing well.
But, IMO, if you eat like a normal human being and are eating veggies 2-3 times a day, you really have nothing to worry about.
"and are eating veggies 2-3 times a day"
That is not going to equate to "eat pretty much whatever you want" for many people.
That's why when people ask for diet advice, I specifically advise them to eat veggies and the occasional fruit.
That is good advice, but off point as to the meaning IIFYM.
Or at least to *your* interpretation of the meaning of IIFYM.0 -
Is it just me, or does this "clean food vs dirty food" thing have echos of religious restrictions?
Don't eat the meat of a cloven foot animal and all that....
Seems to me some people approach "eating clean" as if it were a religious tenet. The terminology seems to support that.0 -
Is it just me, or does this "clean food vs dirty food" thing have echos of religious restrictions?
Don't eat the meat of a cloven foot animal and all that....
Seems to me some people approach "eating clean" as if it were a religious tenet. The terminology seems to support that.
Yes. There are holy foods and unholy foods. One can become the other by simply slapping the wrong label on the package or letting a couple drops of Ken's marinade touch it.0 -
why are there NINE pages of this?0
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what is IIFYM???
If It Fits Your Macros. The idea is to set macro goals - typically calories, protein, fat, carbs, fiber - and to eat pretty much whatever you want to achieve those goals every day.
Is that the goal? I don't follow it, but what I've read on MFP that is not the goal, though some misinterpret it that way (which I think is the point of the OP).
The "point" as I understand it (strictly from MFP, as I've never heard of it anywhere else) is that the meeting micronutrients is implied. I think the OP is spot on, that it should be more than implied. It should be emphasized.
According to Layne Norton, an incredibly brilliant guy with a PhD in nutrition, if you're hitting appropriate macro goals it's tough not to also have good micro intake. I agree with this. Sure, if you're eating nothing but protein powder and olive oil and sugar and fiber supplements to meet your macro goals you're not going to be doing well.
But, IMO, if you eat like a normal human being and are eating veggies 2-3 times a day, you really have nothing to worry about.
"and are eating veggies 2-3 times a day"
That is not going to equate to "eat pretty much whatever you want" for many people.
That's why when people ask for diet advice, I specifically advise them to eat veggies and the occasional fruit.
That is good advice, but off point as to the meaning IIFYM.
Or at least to *your* interpretation of the meaning of IIFYM.
No, I meant the general intent. I don't really have a meaning, just an understanding from posts about it on MFP (as I stated above). I don't eat by macros.0 -
why are there NINE pages of this?
Not enough posts yet for 10??0 -
I don't eat by macros.
Then don't worry about it. since it's irrelevant to you.0 -
what is IIFYM???
If It Fits Your Macros. The idea is to set macro goals - typically calories, protein, fat, carbs, fiber - and to eat pretty much whatever you want to achieve those goals every day.
Is that the goal? I don't follow it, but what I've read on MFP that is not the goal, though some misinterpret it that way (which I think is the point of the OP).
The "point" as I understand it (strictly from MFP, as I've never heard of it anywhere else) is that the meeting micronutrients is implied. I think the OP is spot on, that it should be more than implied. It should be emphasized.
According to Layne Norton, an incredibly brilliant guy with a PhD in nutrition, if you're hitting appropriate macro goals it's tough not to also have good micro intake. I agree with this. Sure, if you're eating nothing but protein powder and olive oil and sugar and fiber supplements to meet your macro goals you're not going to be doing well.
But, IMO, if you eat like a normal human being and are eating veggies 2-3 times a day, you really have nothing to worry about.
"and are eating veggies 2-3 times a day"
That is not going to equate to "eat pretty much whatever you want" for many people.
That's why when people ask for diet advice, I specifically advise them to eat veggies and the occasional fruit.
That is good advice, but off point as to the meaning IIFYM.
Or at least to *your* interpretation of the meaning of IIFYM.
No, I meant the general intent. I don't really have a meaning, just an understanding from posts about it on MFP (as I stated above). I don't eat by macros.
Why are you here again?0 -
I don't eat by macros.
Then don't worry about it. since it's irrelevant to you.
I wasn't giving myself advice. I was questioning your response to the OP, which I believed to be wrong.0 -
wall of text removedWhy are you here again?
Sorry, if I missed an eariler question. I was here to read the question and look at the responses. I believe the response that IIFYM means eat anything you want as long as you meet your macros did not correctly reflect that intent, which sparked a discussion another poster.0 -
Is it just me, or does this "clean food vs dirty food" thing have echos of religious restrictions?
Don't eat the meat of a cloven foot animal and all that....
Seems to me some people approach "eating clean" as if it were a religious tenet. The terminology seems to support that.
The OP's not really talking about "Clean Vs. Dirty".... I don't see him talking about buying organic veggies and chicken.... it's more like... "Hey... Fess up.. you eat better than what you are owning up to."0 -
OP.
Here, you'll feel better.
WANT!0 -
Wait a minute. Hold the phone! You mean to tell me IIFYM has some kooks who twist the primary intent behind it and muck up the whole thing for themselves?
Wow, I never knew that, thanks for telling me! I think I'll switch RIGHT NOW to Primal or Paleo because there's CLEARLY no crazies following that paradigm.
In spite of what you may think, for some people, 'junk food' is more satisfying than 'clean food'. Why? Because it tastes good, and sometimes you want to eat something that tastes good. If you can't understand that, then I feel sorry for you, because you've never really enjoyed indulging in food that's friggin' delicious.
Also, assuming you don't eat the same damn thing every day and try to get foods from varied sources, your micronutrients will generally fall in line (or at least come close). That's kind of the point. People have trouble staying under callories alone. Taking into account Protein and Fat adds to the factors you're balancing, worrying too much about micros, for many, can convolute the whole thing and make following impractical.
How about this diet: Don't be an idiot.
Whatever, carry on, I know you will anyway...and it's kind of fun watching weak people b*tch and moan about the best way to be and how their perfectly clean lifestyle is so superior.0 -
How about this diet: Don't be an idiot.
Whatever, carry on, I know you will anyway...and it's kind of fun watching weak people b*tch and moan about the best way to be and how their perfectly clean lifestyle is so superior.
Yes. Clean-eaters are the ones that are so superior.0 -
In spite of what you may think, for some people, 'junk food' is more satisfying than 'clean food'. Why? Because it tastes good, and sometimes you want to eat something that tastes good. If you can't understand that, then I feel sorry for you, because you've never really enjoyed indulging in food that's friggin' delicious.
This is interesting (to me). What do you consider "junk food"?0 -
In spite of what you may think, for some people, 'junk food' is more satisfying than 'clean food'. Why? Because it tastes good, and sometimes you want to eat something that tastes good. If you can't understand that, then I feel sorry for you, because you've never really enjoyed indulging in food that's friggin' delicious.
This is interesting (to me). What do you consider "junk food"?
It's not my definition, I put it in quotes in reference to foods that I eat with some regularity that has been deemed 'unclean' by some. In the context of a healthy diet I don't think any foods are unclean, as long as you don't go overboard with it. This includes but isn't limited to: ice cream, candy, donuts, fast food, white rice, bread products, mac n cheese, high calorie sauces and dressings, etc.0 -
In spite of what you may think, for some people, 'junk food' is more satisfying than 'clean food'. Why? Because it tastes good, and sometimes you want to eat something that tastes good. If you can't understand that, then I feel sorry for you, because you've never really enjoyed indulging in food that's friggin' delicious.
This is interesting (to me). What do you consider "junk food"?
It's not my definition, I put it in quotes in reference to foods that I eat with some regularity that has been deemed 'unclean' by some. In the context of a healthy diet I don't think any foods are unclean, as long as you don't go overboard with it. This includes but isn't limited to: ice cream, candy, donuts, fast food, white rice, bread products, mac n cheese, high calorie sauces and dressings, etc.
Oh. Sounds like maybe I stepped into an old/ongoing argument. *stepping out*0 -
How about this diet: Don't be an idiot.
Whatever, carry on, I know you will anyway...and it's kind of fun watching weak people b*tch and moan about the best way to be and how their perfectly clean lifestyle is so superior.
Yes. Clean-eaters are the ones that are so superior.
I have yet to hear someone saying that eating free-range chicken, grass-fed beef, or organic veggies from the produce section is going to result in obesity, diabeetus, cancer, and various other such deadly ailments. If you're not arguing that about 'un-clean' foods in the context of a balanced and calorie controlled diet, my comment wasn't directed at you.0 -
Wait a minute. Hold the phone! You mean to tell me IIFYM has some kooks who twist the primary intent behind it and muck up the whole thing for themselves?
Wow, I never knew that, thanks for telling me! I think I'll switch RIGHT NOW to Primal or Paleo because there's CLEARLY no crazies following that paradigm.
In spite of what you may think, for some people, 'junk food' is more satisfying than 'clean food'. Why? Because it tastes good, and sometimes you want to eat something that tastes good. If you can't understand that, then I feel sorry for you, because you've never really enjoyed indulging in food that's friggin' delicious.
Also, assuming you don't eat the same damn thing every day and try to get foods from varied sources, your micronutrients will generally fall in line (or at least come close). That's kind of the point. People have trouble staying under callories alone. Taking into account Protein and Fat adds to the factors you're balancing, worrying too much about micros, for many, can convolute the whole thing and make following impractical.
How about this diet: Don't be an idiot.
Whatever, carry on, I know you will anyway...and it's kind of fun watching weak people b*tch and moan about the best way to be and how their perfectly clean lifestyle is so superior.
processed food may be satisfying but it is satiating
there is a difference
I still eat plenty of processed food.0 -
ill cut down to 120 and post shirtless pick hold please.
I am wondering how much you think I weight
How long is it?
Lol, you guys are funny with your e-posturing and e-wrestling.
Just tired of a bunch of try hards that read one research log and think the know the breakthrough..went from uber fat kid to skinnyfat but thinks he found the secret of life.0 -
ill cut down to 120 and post shirtless pick hold please.
I am wondering how much you think I weight
How long is it?
Lol, you guys are funny with your e-posturing and e-wrestling.
Just tired of a bunch of try hards that read one research log and think the know the breakthrough..went from uber fat kid to skinnyfat but thinks he found the secret of life.
Yea I read one research article.
ask me about something I said I can link a lyle mcdonald, alan aragon, layne, eric heims, or a pubmed article to it.
I would also like to add before the onset of my degenerative disc disease I was repping deadlifts 464 x 4 and db pressing 120 x 5.
This was after 1.5 years of lifting.
So no I can lift.0 -
ill cut down to 120 and post shirtless pick hold please.
I am wondering how much you think I weight
How long is it?
Lol, you guys are funny with your e-posturing and e-wrestling.
Just tired of a bunch of try hards that read one research log and think the know the breakthrough..went from uber fat kid to skinnyfat but thinks he found the secret of life.
Also possible some people don't find the mutant cartoonish look of your profile pic appealing or have any interest in obtaining said look.0 -
processed food may be satisfying but it is satiating
there is a difference
I still eat plenty of processed food.
Caring about one without regard for the other is stupid in both cases. You're fabricating an argument that few (if any) here are trying to make.
Why do people high five fitting in epic food porn quality meals or desserts? Because those things are freaking delicious, that's why.
I'm not going to give you a high five for successfully walking up a flight of stairs. If you competed in one of those memorial events and hoofed it up 100+ stories, well that's another thing entirely.
One is noteworthy, the other isn't.0 -
I think you were missing my point of utilizing both.processed food may be satisfying but it is satiating
there is a difference
I still eat plenty of processed food.
Caring about one without regard for the other is stupid in both cases. You're fabricating an argument that few (if any) here are trying to make.
Why do people high five fitting in epic food porn quality meals or desserts? Because those things are freaking delicious, that's why.
I'm not going to give you a high five for successfully walking up a flight of stairs. If you competed in one of those memorial events and hoofed it up 100+ stories, well that's another thing entirely.
One is noteworthy, the other isn't.
people can fit in those epic foods due to the fact they used other foods to help hunger.
I used to eat medium pizzas once a day and lose a pound every other day for 30 pounds.
I have functioned off one big meal a day and 2 protein shakes.0 -
processed food may be satisfying but it is satiating
there is a difference
I still eat plenty of processed food.
Nonsense. Grouping all processed food together is silly in nearly any context.0 -
I have nothing to add.
No I do. I had McDonalds today. Mmmmm.0
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