Calling out all of you IIFYM Preachers
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Personally I think jonny and Reddi put on some boxing gloves with microphones and blindfolds and see who can sing, dance and box each other till a TKO happens.
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I am so down for this.0 -
I dont know how many of actually read the part where I said eliminating a food group is not a way to live and that moderation is the key.
I bolded it.
I dont see anything unhealthy or even unsatisfying about eating a cheeseburger
I drink diet drinks
I drink water
I eat sweet potatoes
I eat french fries
I drink my alcohol
I drink my protein shake
I think most of you are missing my point of watching your micronutrient intake as well.
Your post was fine... totally got it...and makes some good points...however, the point of your post, IMO, got lost along the way by many due to the constant bickering of the couple in this thread.. I personally think they need counseling.. but eh...what do I know.
But that is my point.
People focused on that one single sentence but they didnt look at what the whole story was about.
Boy who cried wold
"omg no one saved him when he cried wold, those people are horrid"
But did they even understand why no one came?
lol unfortunately your post got lost due to the goobs arguing. That was my point....your good information went poof due to the right fighters..
lol I'm starting to get friggan confused myself. This thread isn't about deadlifting? OH and..
How YOU doin? :glasses:
Im fine, just sore after leg day -_-. So I am kind of lazy to move and fight the stairs. I will eventually have to go out and get lunch0 -
I wont give myself a stroke. I am simply burning time. I type like an *kitten*, but for some reason that is part of my online persona. I am not like this in person.
Because I was there when it started fully emerging.Why worry so much about what other people are doing? And better yet, why do you feel a need to label the way you eat by saying that you "Do IIFYM" or "Paleo" or "clean" or any of that? Just eat what you personally feel like eating and let others do the same. Who cares if someone else isn't eating the way that YOU think they should be eating based on a silly description?
I could say that I also do IIFYM or that I eat 95% "clean" unprocessed foods, blah blah blah... but it's unnecessary and exhausting to try to fit into a box like that. Heaven forbid that I say I eat "clean" and then I decide one day on a whim to have a Coke Zero because I'm really in the mood for one. Oh no! My whole identity is wrapped up in my dietary doctrine and now I'm not longer a true "clean eater"!
I'm being a bit facetious but you see my point; labels are silly, and worrying about OTHER people's dietary labels and whether or not they give something a 'bad name' is just a waste of your energy, don't you think? You didn't invent the term "IIFYM" so I don't see why you have such a personal sense of pride regarding the subject.
It is the fact people are spreading false information and making it sound like micronutrient intake does not matter at all.
what label are you actually talking about?
Micronutrient intake is a key factor in people's health.
There are also factors that play a role including heavy metals, phytochemicals. antioxidants, etc
but to state that the food doesnt matter is a little extreme
I don't disagree with the idea behind IIFYM, nor do I disagree that micronutrients are vitally important in one's diet. I stated that I also would consider myself to be an IIFYM-er.
However I again ask why it's so important to you that people fit in this little box or that they do things the way you think they should. "I've been doing it a long time" is hardly a reason to be so up in arms over it IMO, but on that note my opinion doesn't matter when it comes to YOUR feelings anymore than YOUR feelings matter when it comes to someone else's diet or, in this case, classification of their diet.
I'm not trying to argue what IIFYM or CLEAN or any of that is, because I know what the terms imply. I'm simply advising that you relax before you give yourself a stroke because someone called their McD's heavy diet "IIFYM". :drinker:
I cant say the same for some people such as lyle mcdonald, who is one of my favorite nutritionists. I am letting you know now I am not actually mad.
True... context and tone are sorely lacking in an online forum. :happy:0 -
Post may as well have been called "Calling out people who don't actually understand IIFYM". Anyone ignoring micronutrients or satiety is doing it wrong.
by the time I realized your suggestion was better I can no longer edit0 -
Can't we all get along and go find a HGC or Alli thread to go beat up on? :smokin: :sad:
Alli makes me poop grease.
GENIUS! I've been trying to find a way to take a slip 'n slide to the park and use it with no water . . .
Finally, a good use for Alli.0 -
Can't we all get along and go find a HGC or Alli thread to go beat up on? :smokin: :sad:
Alli makes me poop grease.
steatorrhea?does it look white or some ****? I heard of alli, but never actually read into it0 -
what is IIFYM???
If It Fits Your Macros. The idea is to set macro goals - typically calories, protein, fat, carbs, fiber - and to eat pretty much whatever you want to achieve those goals every day.
I am glad you asked..lol...I was like hu? I still don't get any of it..so I will stick to my calorie counting ways..0 -
I always thought the point of IIFYM was to eat nutrient dense foods but allows for 'treats' to stop yourself going insane and posting tyrannical posts on MFP?
*takes a bite into a chocolate eclair*0 -
Because I was there when it started fully emerging.Why worry so much about what other people are doing? And better yet, why do you feel a need to label the way you eat by saying that you "Do IIFYM" or "Paleo" or "clean" or any of that? Just eat what you personally feel like eating and let others do the same. Who cares if someone else isn't eating the way that YOU think they should be eating based on a silly description?
I could say that I also do IIFYM or that I eat 95% "clean" unprocessed foods, blah blah blah... but it's unnecessary and exhausting to try to fit into a box like that. Heaven forbid that I say I eat "clean" and then I decide one day on a whim to have a Coke Zero because I'm really in the mood for one. Oh no! My whole identity is wrapped up in my dietary doctrine and now I'm not longer a true "clean eater"!
I'm being a bit facetious but you see my point; labels are silly, and worrying about OTHER people's dietary labels and whether or not they give something a 'bad name' is just a waste of your energy, don't you think? You didn't invent the term "IIFYM" so I don't see why you have such a personal sense of pride regarding the subject.
It is the fact people are spreading false information and making it sound like micronutrient intake does not matter at all.
what label are you actually talking about?
Micronutrient intake is a key factor in people's health.
There are also factors that play a role including heavy metals, phytochemicals. antioxidants, etc
but to state that the food doesnt matter is a little extreme
A couple things, you're preaching pretty hard for trying to sound anti-preachy. Also, once you've hit your micronutrient needs you don't get extra credit for eating more if all you have left are caloric needs.0 -
Post may as well have been called "Calling out people who don't actually understand IIFYM". Anyone ignoring micronutrients or satiety is doing it wrong.
by the time I realized your suggestion was better I can no longer edit
Pretty much any diet or exercise can and will be done incorrectly yet referred to as the same.0 -
How YOU doin? :glasses:Im fine, just sore after leg day -_-. So I am kind of lazy to move and fight the stairs. I will eventually have to go out and get lunch
Oooh....lol dare I ask what's for lunch? Nope... I kind of don't want to go that route here...but whatever it is, I hope it's delicious.
Now about those legs....sore eh? Need a massage? I'll carry you down the stairs.. I'm strong like that.0 -
Can't we all get along and go find a HGC or Alli thread to go beat up on? :smokin: :sad:
Alli makes me poop grease.
steatorrhea?does it look white or some ****? I heard of alli, but never actually read into it
Alli basically blocks fat absorption in the intestines. So if you eat too much fat, your poop gets very oily and can leak out.0 -
I have followed IIFYM for a long time, before it became a big fad,(no hipster)
Dude, you're 26. LOL.
QFT0 -
*gag*Can't we all get along and go find a HGC or Alli thread to go beat up on? :smokin: :sad:
Alli makes me poop grease.
GENIUS! I've been trying to find a way to take a slip 'n slide to the park and use it with no water . . .
Finally, a good use for Alli.0 -
You need to stop preaching the whole bull**** about it doesnt matter about what food you eat.
I have followed IIFYM for a long time, before it became a big fad,(no hipster)
IT should be IIFYMAM! If it fits your macros and micronutrients!
It does matter, you do need to hit the MICRONUTRIENT targets regardless.
You cannot obtain all of it from a multivitamin
You are drifting from the original point of IIFYM. it allows moderation and is sustainable. It wasnt meant for you to eat mcdonalds everyday and throw in a protein shake to hit your daily amounts.
Another factor is for those who are cutting. They food that is chosen for the paleo diet is the most ideal food for helping you diet due to the satiety.
There is some truth behind paleo diet. Regardless if I think eliminating food groups from your diet is not a way to live.
Meat and potatoes will always be superb due to the fulfilling of calorie for calorie. I am still waiting for more satiety studies to be published.
its like comparing a bagel to a donut. both of it provides a crap fullness but 1 bagel is much more filling than a donut, which is about the same calories.
you would have to eat about 1.5 donuts to get the filling that 1 bagel would provide you. so you would be consuming 2x the calories.
Dont get me wrong. Calories will determine if we lose weight or not. That is not the only key player in sustaining a cut though. Hunger plays a huge role.
You are destroying the IIFYM name and original cause. You need to understand that moderation is the key for everything and you are no better than all of the other diet extremists.
in b4 mad broscientist dont fully understand IIFYM..macro and micro are of the same thing...i see the force is scrong with you...another twig preaching how to get big and healthy.0 -
I wont give myself a stroke. I am simply burning time. I type like an *kitten*, but for some reason that is part of my online persona. I am not like this in person.
I cant say the same for some people such as lyle mcdonald, who is one of my favorite nutritionists. I am letting you know now I am not actually mad.
True that. Back in the days of Usenet, when Lyle and Nina were an item, Lyle was truly the King of Bungholes. He also knew his stuff. That's why I have his heinously boring first book on my bookshelf.
You do come across as ragey in this thread. My first reaction was , "Dude, Midol!" Good to know it's not really eating your liver up. That'd be a crap way to go through your day. :laugh:0 -
Did I say anything about eating 100% healthy food?
Do you even know what I am talking about? I never mentioned eating 100% healthy foods.You need to stop preaching the whole bull**** about it doesnt matter about what food you eat.
I have followed IIFYM for a long time, before it became a big fad,(no hipster)
IT should be IIFYMAM! If it fits your macros and micronutrients!
It does matter, you do need to hit the MICRONUTRIENT targets regardless.
You cannot obtain all of it from a multivitamin
You are drifting from the original point of IIFYM. it allows moderation and is sustainable. It wasnt meant for you to eat mcdonalds everyday and throw in a protein shake to hit your daily amounts.
Another factor is for those who are cutting. They food that is chosen for the paleo diet is the most ideal food for helping you diet due to the satiety.
There is some truth behind paleo diet. Regardless if I think eliminating food groups from your diet is not a way to live.
Meat and potatoes will always be superb due to the fulfilling of calorie for calorie. I am still waiting for more satiety studies to be published.
its like comparing a bagel to a donut. both of it provides a crap fullness but 1 bagel is much more filling than a donut, which is about the same calories.
you would have to eat about 1.5 donuts to get the filling that 1 bagel would provide you. so you would be consuming 2x the calories.
Dont get me wrong. Calories will determine if we lose weight or not. That is not the only key player in sustaining a cut though. Hunger plays a huge role.
You are destroying the IIFYM name and original cause. You need to understand that moderation is the key for everything and you are no better than all of the other diet extremists.
Agree and disagree.
Nutrients obviously play a huge part in health, but you have to bear in mind that some people can't just jump straight on the 'get healthy' bandwagon and eat 100% healthy foods. Sometimes it takes a little time.
Too many people go straight to a fad diet or a meal plan, and get told they can't eat this, and they can't eat that. You say moderation is the key, yet you are missing the point that IIFYM is all about moderation. It's telling people that yes, you can have that McDonalds, but only x amount of calories worth.
The idea (hopefully), is that further down the line, said McDonalds eater realises that it's not filling them up, and starts to try healthier options. That's what happened to me.
At the end of the day, if someone is making changes in an attempt to lose weight and get healthier, than bravo to them regardless of whether that means a McDonalds every day.
I know you didn't, it was just just an example. Would you like me to change it to '80% healthy foods' and then maybe you could read the rest of my post and see what I was trying to say?
Sounds to me like you just got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning tbh.
Did i say 20%?
I said moderation. I didnt put numbers. I didnt say clean food.
I am trying to understand what you said you disagreed about
Cut out the number completely then. I think you are picking at straws here.
I agree with the part about the nutrients. The part is disagreed with was the tone of your post, as though trying to suggest that people that do just eat a McDonalds every day aren't doing IIFYM correctly. I explained that this is a learning curve for everyone and many have to start with small changes - like eating a McDonalds a day, but less of it.
If you had taken the time to read my post rather than latch on to an insignificant number, you would have understood that.0 -
what is IIFYM???
If It Fits Your Macros. The idea is to set macro goals - typically calories, protein, fat, carbs, fiber - and to eat pretty much whatever you want to achieve those goals every day.
I am glad you asked..lol...I was like hu? I still don't get any of it..so I will stick to my calorie counting ways..
IIFYM has a structure for
calculate caloric needs
protein requirements based off of weight
fat requirements based off of weight
the remaining calories are distributed to carbs(your preference), protein, and fats.
Fat has a physiological function and the body and thats why they focused on it.
Protein helps prevent muscle loss and for its physiological function.
People will distribute it into carbs, fats, or more protein depending on their level of physical activity.0 -
Maybe if you specified what you disagreed on we woudlnt be talking about this
Did I say anything about eating 100% healthy food?
Do you even know what I am talking about? I never mentioned eating 100% healthy foods.You need to stop preaching the whole bull**** about it doesnt matter about what food you eat.
I have followed IIFYM for a long time, before it became a big fad,(no hipster)
IT should be IIFYMAM! If it fits your macros and micronutrients!
It does matter, you do need to hit the MICRONUTRIENT targets regardless.
You cannot obtain all of it from a multivitamin
You are drifting from the original point of IIFYM. it allows moderation and is sustainable. It wasnt meant for you to eat mcdonalds everyday and throw in a protein shake to hit your daily amounts.
Another factor is for those who are cutting. They food that is chosen for the paleo diet is the most ideal food for helping you diet due to the satiety.
There is some truth behind paleo diet. Regardless if I think eliminating food groups from your diet is not a way to live.
Meat and potatoes will always be superb due to the fulfilling of calorie for calorie. I am still waiting for more satiety studies to be published.
its like comparing a bagel to a donut. both of it provides a crap fullness but 1 bagel is much more filling than a donut, which is about the same calories.
you would have to eat about 1.5 donuts to get the filling that 1 bagel would provide you. so you would be consuming 2x the calories.
Dont get me wrong. Calories will determine if we lose weight or not. That is not the only key player in sustaining a cut though. Hunger plays a huge role.
You are destroying the IIFYM name and original cause. You need to understand that moderation is the key for everything and you are no better than all of the other diet extremists.
Agree and disagree.
Nutrients obviously play a huge part in health, but you have to bear in mind that some people can't just jump straight on the 'get healthy' bandwagon and eat 100% healthy foods. Sometimes it takes a little time.
Too many people go straight to a fad diet or a meal plan, and get told they can't eat this, and they can't eat that. You say moderation is the key, yet you are missing the point that IIFYM is all about moderation. It's telling people that yes, you can have that McDonalds, but only x amount of calories worth.
The idea (hopefully), is that further down the line, said McDonalds eater realises that it's not filling them up, and starts to try healthier options. That's what happened to me.
At the end of the day, if someone is making changes in an attempt to lose weight and get healthier, than bravo to them regardless of whether that means a McDonalds every day.
I know you didn't, it was just just an example. Would you like me to change it to '80% healthy foods' and then maybe you could read the rest of my post and see what I was trying to say?
Sounds to me like you just got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning tbh.
Did i say 20%?
I said moderation. I didnt put numbers. I didnt say clean food.
I am trying to understand what you said you disagreed about
Cut out the number completely then. I think you are picking at straws here.
I agree with the part about the nutrients. The part is disagreed with was the tone of your post, as though trying to suggest that people that do just eat a McDonalds every day aren't doing IIFYM correctly. I explained that this is a learning curve for everyone and many have to start with small changes - like eating a McDonalds a day, but less of it.
If you had taken the time to read my post rather than latch on to an insignificant number, you would have understood that.0 -
I do the IIFM "no Y"- If It Fits Me - Not sure what the point of this thread. Confused by the Can someone explain without being opinionated? Trying to get more insight! I know Reddi is actually trying to gain mass now and was willing to eat processed foods if that's what he had to do to do it. Does doing that negate IIFYM? Not trying to ridicule, just gathering so insight.0
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