Milk
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LOL I agree with the last paragraph. Sheesh, why are we humans doing this?? Purely economics for the farmers.
Who was conditioning people 8000 years ago to drink cow's milk? Was it farmers pushing milk on society?0 -
for the taste I enjoy whole milk.
a lot of times I use 2% in cereal and cooking.0 -
How does the adoptive lactating mother know that it is an extreme circumstance and decide to do it? In reality, wild or domestic animals, if given a choice will drink another species milk happily. They just have this small problem mechanically of extracting it from other species which we don't have.
"if given the choice?" the baby antelope drank the milk because it DIDN'T have a choice!
haha oh this is silly. because one lion once adopted one baby antelope, it must hold true for ALL animals! Real reality? Most lions would have eaten the baby antelope. Why didn't this one? Who the **** knows.
by the way, you're also talking about a baby animal that still produces the lactase enzyme and therefore can and needs to drink milk to grow properly.
grown animals (which is what we should compare since we're grown humans) do not seek out milk for nourishment unless conditioned to do so.
I am talking about grown animals...If you put out milk or spill it, adult dogs and cats will quickly go after it. Squirrels will drink milk if it is out. Have you been on a farm before? You start milking animals and any free roaming animals will quickly come around to try and catch any droppings. These aren't the baby animals, these are the adult ones.0 -
grown animals (which is what we should compare since we're grown humans) do not seek out milk for nourishment unless conditioned to do so.
That's simply false. Many, many animals will happily drink milk when presented with the opportunity to do so.
that's my point. how is that opportunity presented?0 -
How does the adoptive lactating mother know that it is an extreme circumstance and decide to do it? In reality, wild or domestic animals, if given a choice will drink another species milk happily. They just have this small problem mechanically of extracting it from other species which we don't have.
"if given the choice?" the baby antelope drank the milk because it DIDN'T have a choice!
haha oh this is silly. because one lion once adopted one baby antelope, it must hold true for ALL animals! Real reality? Most lions would have eaten the baby antelope. Why didn't this one? Who the **** knows.
by the way, you're also talking about a baby animal that still produces the lactase enzyme and therefore can and needs to drink milk to grow properly.
grown animals (which is what we should compare since we're grown humans) do not seek out milk for nourishment unless conditioned to do so.
LOL I agree with the last paragraph. Sheesh, why are we humans doing this?? Purely economics for the farmers.
Why are we humans raising animals to eat or growing crops? I guess we better go back to pure hunter/gathering & living in caves?0 -
How does the adoptive lactating mother know that it is an extreme circumstance and decide to do it? In reality, wild or domestic animals, if given a choice will drink another species milk happily. They just have this small problem mechanically of extracting it from other species which we don't have.
"if given the choice?" the baby antelope drank the milk because it DIDN'T have a choice!
haha oh this is silly. because one lion once adopted one baby antelope, it must hold true for ALL animals! Real reality? Most lions would have eaten the baby antelope. Why didn't this one? Who the **** knows.
by the way, you're also talking about a baby animal that still produces the lactase enzyme and therefore can and needs to drink milk to grow properly.
grown animals (which is what we should compare since we're grown humans) do not seek out milk for nourishment unless conditioned to do so.
I am talking about grown animals...If you put out milk or spill it, adult dogs and cats will quickly go after it. Squirrels will drink milk if it is out. Have you been on a farm before? You start milking animals and any free roaming animals will quickly come around to try and catch any droppings. These aren't the baby animals, these are the adult ones.
Just because people or animals can eat something it doesn't mean they should. I mean hell, most of us are here for eating too much or a bunch of crap we shouldn't have.0 -
LOL I agree with the last paragraph. Sheesh, why are we humans doing this?? Purely economics for the farmers.
Who was conditioning people 8000 years ago to drink cow's milk? Was it farmers pushing milk on society?
this.
no other animals cook their food, eat processed food, plant their own food, etc. does that mean we shouldn't do any of that stuff either?
We're people FFS. Don't say that just because other animals don't do _____ that we shouldnt.0 -
How does the adoptive lactating mother know that it is an extreme circumstance and decide to do it? In reality, wild or domestic animals, if given a choice will drink another species milk happily. They just have this small problem mechanically of extracting it from other species which we don't have.
"if given the choice?" the baby antelope drank the milk because it DIDN'T have a choice!
haha oh this is silly. because one lion once adopted one baby antelope, it must hold true for ALL animals! Real reality? Most lions would have eaten the baby antelope. Why didn't this one? Who the **** knows.
by the way, you're also talking about a baby animal that still produces the lactase enzyme and therefore can and needs to drink milk to grow properly.
grown animals (which is what we should compare since we're grown humans) do not seek out milk for nourishment unless conditioned to do so.
I am talking about grown animals...If you put out milk or spill it, adult dogs and cats will quickly go after it. Squirrels will drink milk if it is out. Have you been on a farm before? You start milking animals and any free roaming animals will quickly come around to try and catch any droppings. These aren't the baby animals, these are the adult ones.
RIGHT!
You - A HUMAN - have to GIVE it to them!!
how are y'all not grasping this. of course they'll drink whatever you put in front of them. they're dumb animals. my cats will drink soap water if it's in the sink. they'll get sick afterwards, but they'll keep doing it anyway!
seriously people0 -
grown animals (which is what we should compare since we're grown humans) do not seek out milk for nourishment unless conditioned to do so.
That's simply false. Many, many animals will happily drink milk when presented with the opportunity to do so.
that's my point. how is that opportunity presented?
Not through "conditioning."
You said "animals... do not seek out milk for nourishment unless conditioned to do so."
I don't think "spilling some milk on the floor and watching my cat lick it up" or "leaving a glass of milk on the counter and turning my back on it for 2 minutes to find my cat slurping at it" conditioning.
Put a plate of milk on your porch around here in the summer and it won't be long before there's a squirrel or two lapping it up. I don't think anyone "conditioned" them.0 -
You - A HUMAN - have to GIVE it to them!!
"Giving" and "conditioning" are pretty separate concepts.
You've claimed each is necessary.
So maybe just say "OK, I made a mistake. You don't need to condition them. You just need to present them with the opportunity."0 -
LOL I agree with the last paragraph. Sheesh, why are we humans doing this?? Purely economics for the farmers.
Who was conditioning people 8000 years ago to drink cow's milk? Was it farmers pushing milk on society?
I'm with you on this. If you're not lactose intolerant, go ahead and drink milk.
to say we shouldn't drink milk because we weren't designed to do so while simultaneously ignoring the fact that caucasian people have EVOLVED to be able to is frankly a little absurd.
you either believe in evolution or you don't.0 -
You - A HUMAN - have to GIVE it to them!!
"Giving" and "conditioning" are pretty separate concepts.
You've claimed each is necessary.
So maybe just say "OK, I made a mistake. You don't need to condition them. You just need to present them with the opportunity."
they are not separate concepts. go learn something.
edit: I'm on your side for ****s sake and you still act like a petulant child.0 -
this is crazy
a lot of people drink milk and still end up "healthy" and get amazing results.
a lot of bodybuilders have cut out dairy and also get amazing results.
do what is convenient for you or works for your lifestyle and quit arguing0 -
I can't help but find the irony in a scrawny beachbody coach, who sells awful supplements like Shakeology , lecturing people on the health benefits/risk of milk.
where did i do that? read my posts before you make asinine assumptions.
aw, ilovedeadlift, got it before the edit to preserve your jumping to conclusions! :flowerforyou:0 -
This is a very thought provoking thread. This thought just came to mind.
Milk is a complete meal...for a baby. Why as humans are we drinking it in addition to eating full solid meals too?
It seems like doubling up for no reason. Like drinking Ensure or other common tube feedings.
A contributor to obesity? Likely.0 -
RIGHT!
You - A HUMAN - have to GIVE it to them!!
how are y'all not grasping this. of course they'll drink whatever you put in front of them. they're dumb animals. my cats will drink soap water if it's in the sink. they'll get sick afterwards, but they'll keep doing it anyway!
seriously people
Seriously? You're cats ARE dumb if they'll drink soap water. Mine seem to be smart enough to only eat stuff that doesn't make them sick.0 -
Chocolate DUH
Agreed.
Fantastic response, fantastic profile pic!
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This, this, a thousand times this!0 -
where did i do that? read my posts before you make asinine assumptions.
got it before the edit to preserve your jumping to conclusions! :flowerforyou:
my apologies. the way you were arguing made it look like you were against humans consuming milk.0 -
People didn't drink milk until the early 1900's when refrigeration became available.0
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This is a very thought provoking thread. This thought just came to mind.
Milk is a complete meal...for a baby. Why as humans are we drinking it in addition to eating full solid meals too?
It seems like doubling up for no reason. Like drinking Ensure or other common tube feedings.
A contributor to obesity? Likely.
Babies need lots of nutrition to grow and develop, and milk covers those bases.
So for an athlete who wants to grow, and needs ample nutrition, why wouldn't milk be a good addition to their diet.
Everytime I've seen someone arguing against people drinking milk, while saying it isn't natural, no other animals do it, etc they are:
A. A vegan who has been loaded with a bunch of propaganda
B. A crosffitter who buys into some paleo nonsense0 -
While you’ve probably always been told to drink reduced-fat milk, the majority of scientific studies show that drinking whole milk actually improves cholesterol levels, just not as much as drinking fat-free does.
2% - The best milk option, if you want to cut calories, is to go for lower-fat milk varieties – 1 cup of 2% milk has 24 fewer calories then 1 cup of whole milk (and a cup of skim milk has 36 fewer calories than 2%). But 2% isn’t a poor nutritious choice-it still comes with belly-filling protein and loaded with 286mg of calcium, which meets nearly a third of your daily calcium needs.
Fat-free- Fat free milk has the most calcium, the least fat, and the fewest calories of all the milk varieties. Whichever you choose, here’s one more pitch for drinking the stuff: Milk is one of the best muscle foods on the planet. The protein in milk is about 80% casein and 20% whey. Both are high-quality proteins.
Good info. Thanks!0 -
Whole milk is 8%.0
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I'm lactose intolerant and I still drink cow's milk. Of course it's the Lactaid brand, but cow's milk nonetheless. I stick to 2%, I never liked the taste of anything less than that, and whole milk is cool, but I've been conditioned to think full fat = bad. I'm slowly coming out of that line of thought.
I'll occasionally buy soy milk when I feel like it, but cow's milk all the way, lactose intolerance and all.
I'm never giving up dairy. It's too delicious.0 -
where did i do that? read my posts before you make asinine assumptions.
got it before the edit to preserve your jumping to conclusions! :flowerforyou:
my apologies. the way you were arguing made it look like you were against humans consuming milk.
if you're not lactose intolerant, drink it. however, that doesn't mean that animals are able to drink it without issues, as mammals across the board lose the ability to produce lactase as they age.
caucasians are only an exception because we've evolved to continue producing lactase over thousands of years.
very simple.0 -
People didn't drink milk until the early 1900's when refrigeration became available.
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People didn't drink milk until the early 1900's when refrigeration became available.
No, they drank milk before then, it was just freshly squeezed.0 -
I vote almond. LOL I don't drink cows milk. They want to put artificial sweeteners in it. I'd vote for organic whole milk if you are going to drink it.0
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People didn't drink milk until the early 1900's when refrigeration became available.
Totally untrue0 -
People didn't drink milk until the early 1900's when refrigeration became available.
Wow. Just wow.:noway:0 -
People didn't drink milk until the early 1900's when refrigeration became available.
Really?
http://specialcollections.nal.usda.gov/dairy-exhibit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farming
http://www.stolaf.edu/depts/environmental-studies/courses/es-399 home/es-399-05/Projects/dairy research/socialhistory.html
There are more.0
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