what's too much protein when bulking?
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It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted.
Macronutrients are either stored or oxidized as fuel. Excess protein increases oxidation rate of protein. It is not "wasted".0 -
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted.
Macronutrients are either stored or oxidized as fuel.
Not protein... want me to mail you a nutrition book?0 -
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted.
Macronutrients are either stored or oxidized as fuel.
Not protein... want me to mail you a nutrition book?
I have several and quite frankly I'm not sure I'd like to read the one you're citing from if you disagree with the statement I just made.0 -
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted.
Macronutrients are either stored or oxidized as fuel.
Not protein... want me to mail you a nutrition book?
LOLOLOLOL...this is hysterical0 -
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted.
Macronutrients are either stored or oxidized as fuel.
Not protein... want me to mail you a nutrition book?
I know I'm already in this thread...
...but just in case, I'm definitely in now.
Am looking forward to reading how someone eating excess protein calories won't gain weight because protein are special calories that can't be stored.0 -
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted.
Macronutrients are either stored or oxidized as fuel.
Not protein... want me to mail you a nutrition book?
I know I'm already in this thread...
...but just in case, I'm definitely in now.
Am looking forward to reading how someone eating excess protein calories won't gain weight because protein are special calories that can't be stored.
I'm not talking about calories, I'm talking about the fact that protein is excreted as ammonia and if you cannot pass it your body will start lysing the calcium from your bones. *edit to say he only quoted part of my original response*0 -
Acorrding to what study? Dont pull your title on this because it doesnt make sense.
That's a myth that will never die. Think about it. A 250 LB bodybuilder can only absorb as much protein as a 130 LB female at one meal.I have also been told that most people can't absorb much more than 30 grams of protein at a time. So the point would be that if you are taking in anymore than that at a time it will pass through. Makes you take a more balanced approach instead of trying to do it all at once.
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel stores water in its hump, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted. Also, our bodies don't have a good way of getting rid of protein so it is turned into ammonia and passed through the excretory system (sweat) If you are eating too much your sweat will start to smell of ammonia. If you don't sweat your body will build up and will begin lysing calcium from your bones, and you will have a hard time with carbohydrates... which you need to fuel your workouts.
It can also cause kidney stones... this one I learned the hard way ><
Anyway, that is not a myth.
I am at the same level as an ADN nurse and I will be graduating with a BSN in 6 months. My medical classes have been done and I have also taken classes over interpretation of research.
I had to study pathophysiology and the effects of impaired liver and kidney function within the body. The ammonia you are talking about is only harmful if you have a form of impaired liver function such as cirrhosis that causes encephalopathy. Protein is not wasted and is not excreted by the body as a whole. it is metabolized.
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It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted.
Macronutrients are either stored or oxidized as fuel.
Not protein... want me to mail you a nutrition book?
I know I'm already in this thread...
...but just in case, I'm definitely in now.
Am looking forward to reading how someone eating excess protein calories won't gain weight because protein are special calories that can't be stored.
I'm not talking about calories, I'm talking about the fact that protein is excreted as ammonia and if you cannot pass it your body will start lysing the calcium from your bones. *edit to say he only quoted part of my original response*
for calories to be taken in the macronutrient must be absorbed. that is why dietary drugs such as Alli block fat absorption and the calories are not taken in0 -
Acorrding to what study? Dont pull your title on this because it doesnt make sense.
That's a myth that will never die. Think about it. A 250 LB bodybuilder can only absorb as much protein as a 130 LB female at one meal.I have also been told that most people can't absorb much more than 30 grams of protein at a time. So the point would be that if you are taking in anymore than that at a time it will pass through. Makes you take a more balanced approach instead of trying to do it all at once.
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel stores water in its hump, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted. Also, our bodies don't have a good way of getting rid of protein so it is turned into ammonia and passed through the excretory system (sweat) If you are eating too much your sweat will start to smell of ammonia. If you don't sweat your body will build up and will begin lysing calcium from your bones, and you will have a hard time with carbohydrates... which you need to fuel your workouts.
It can also cause kidney stones... this one I learned the hard way ><
Anyway, that is not a myth.
I am at the same level as an ADN nurse and I will be graduating with a BSN in 6 months. My medical classes have been done and I have also taken classes over interpretation of research.
I had to study pathophysiology and the effects of impaired liver and kidney function within the body. The ammonia you are talking about is only harmful if you have a form of impaired liver function such as cirrhosis that causes encephalopathy. Protein is not wasted and is not excreted by the body as a whole. it is metabolized.
would you like my picture of this as well? He asked if there was too much protein, there is, and it will do damage to your body. Not sure why people are arguing with me0 -
yea protein is not used as fuel.It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted.
Macronutrients are either stored or oxidized as fuel.
Not protein... want me to mail you a nutrition book?
What classes did you have to take for that? This is level 1 college course classes that I remember seeing in Biology0 -
Find your picture that shows what happens when you consume too much protein....0
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OBVIOUSLY it is broken down and used as fuel, this is ABOUT EXCESS. Good god0
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What picture? You are trying to pull a title out over this and even in nursing school excess protein or high protein diets are only contraindicated in people with liver or kidney impairment. post your picture then
Acorrding to what study? Dont pull your title on this because it doesnt make sense.
That's a myth that will never die. Think about it. A 250 LB bodybuilder can only absorb as much protein as a 130 LB female at one meal.I have also been told that most people can't absorb much more than 30 grams of protein at a time. So the point would be that if you are taking in anymore than that at a time it will pass through. Makes you take a more balanced approach instead of trying to do it all at once.
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel stores water in its hump, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted. Also, our bodies don't have a good way of getting rid of protein so it is turned into ammonia and passed through the excretory system (sweat) If you are eating too much your sweat will start to smell of ammonia. If you don't sweat your body will build up and will begin lysing calcium from your bones, and you will have a hard time with carbohydrates... which you need to fuel your workouts.
It can also cause kidney stones... this one I learned the hard way ><
Anyway, that is not a myth.
I am at the same level as an ADN nurse and I will be graduating with a BSN in 6 months. My medical classes have been done and I have also taken classes over interpretation of research.
I had to study pathophysiology and the effects of impaired liver and kidney function within the body. The ammonia you are talking about is only harmful if you have a form of impaired liver function such as cirrhosis that causes encephalopathy. Protein is not wasted and is not excreted by the body as a whole. it is metabolized.
would you like my picture of this as well? He asked if there was too much protein, there is, and it will do damage to your body. Not sure why people are arguing with me0 -
OBVIOUSLY it is broken down and used as fuel, this is ABOUT EXCESS. Good god
you said it cannot be oxidized as fuel.0 -
OBVIOUSLY it is broken down and used as fuel, this is ABOUT EXCESS. Good god
you said it cannot be oxidized as fuel.
I said it can't be stored in the body0 -
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted.
Macronutrients are either stored or oxidized as fuel.
Not protein... want me to mail you a nutrition book?
I know I'm already in this thread...
...but just in case, I'm definitely in now.
Am looking forward to reading how someone eating excess protein calories won't gain weight because protein are special calories that can't be stored.
Welcome back, and grab some popcorn.
On second thought, grab some skinless chicken breasts--this might take a while and you don't want to run out of energy. Oh wait! You can't get energy from protein, d'oh.0 -
Did you even read what I wrote?0
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What are muscles and organs?OBVIOUSLY it is broken down and used as fuel, this is ABOUT EXCESS. Good god
you said it cannot be oxidized as fuel.
I said it can't be stored in the body
Do you know that protein turnover occurs in skeletal muscle and other tissues?0 -
Does anyone have this book?
http://www.crcpress.com/product/isbn/9781439844564
"Dietary Protein and Resistance Exercise" by Dr. Lonnie Lowery
I'd love to know his conclusion on this topic.0 -
Unless someone wants to go read what I said I'm not going to partake in this any longer. I was telling him what happens if you consume too much protein. You can continue without me cause I'm not even talking about the same thing as you and it's getting rather annoying to keep saying so. Carry on.0
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Unless someone wants to go read what I said I'm not going to partake in this any longer. I was telling him what happens if you consume too much protein. You can continue without me cause I'm not even talking about the same thing as you and it's getting rather annoying to keep saying so. Carry on.
But you said protein can't be stored.
It can be stored in muscles and other lean tissues.
Would you like me to mail you a nutrition book?0 -
Acorrding to what study? Dont pull your title on this because it doesnt make sense.
That's a myth that will never die. Think about it. A 250 LB bodybuilder can only absorb as much protein as a 130 LB female at one meal.I have also been told that most people can't absorb much more than 30 grams of protein at a time. So the point would be that if you are taking in anymore than that at a time it will pass through. Makes you take a more balanced approach instead of trying to do it all at once.
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel stores water in its hump, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted. Also, our bodies don't have a good way of getting rid of protein so it is turned into ammonia and passed through the excretory system (sweat) If you are eating too much your sweat will start to smell of ammonia. If you don't sweat your body will build up and will begin lysing calcium from your bones, and you will have a hard time with carbohydrates... which you need to fuel your workouts.
It can also cause kidney stones... this one I learned the hard way ><
Anyway, that is not a myth.
I am at the same level as an ADN nurse and I will be graduating with a BSN in 6 months. My medical classes have been done and I have also taken classes over interpretation of research.
I had to study pathophysiology and the effects of impaired liver and kidney function within the body. The ammonia you are talking about is only harmful if you have a form of impaired liver function such as cirrhosis that causes encephalopathy. Protein is not wasted and is not excreted by the body as a whole. it is metabolized.
Maybe that is simplified... but Ammonia doesn't break up like that.
NH3 + H2O <----> NH4+ + OH-
It's also in equilibrium, meaning Ammonium(NH4+) Will go along with the ammonia(NH3). Now a new question is, "What would happen if the person had a elevated body temperature? The ammonia reaction is temperature dependent.
this is a simplified picture. dont drift from the new topic. the discussion is now about the animal nutritionist talking about how protein is not stored in the body and going back to protein timing.
she is also talking about high levels of protein in the body will casue ammonia build up.
If there were high levels of ammonia most of these people with high protein intake would be suffering from an Altered LOC, we do not see that with many of these people who ingest high amounts0 -
"Find your picture that shows what happens when you consume too much protein...."Unless someone wants to go read what I said I'm not going to partake in this any longer. I was telling him what happens if you consume too much protein. You can continue without me cause I'm not even talking about the same thing as you and it's getting rather annoying to keep saying so. Carry on.
"OBVIOUSLY it is broken down and used as fuel, this is ABOUT EXCESS. Good god"
"I said it can't be stored in the body"
"Did you even read what I wrote?"
are u serious? those were your lasts posts
Dont tell people you are a nutritionist. please dont ever pull that claim again.0 -
Unless someone wants to go read what I said I'm not going to partake in this any longer. I was telling him what happens if you consume too much protein. You can continue without me cause I'm not even talking about the same thing as you and it's getting rather annoying to keep saying so. Carry on.
So, what does happen to excess protein then? You are saying it is excreted?0 -
That's a myth that will never die. Think about it. A 250 LB bodybuilder can only absorb as much protein as a 130 LB female at one meal.I have also been told that most people can't absorb much more than 30 grams of protein at a time. So the point would be that if you are taking in anymore than that at a time it will pass through. Makes you take a more balanced approach instead of trying to do it all at once.
It isn't your weight that decides how much of things you can absorb. It's our digestive system. I am certified nutritionist (for animals... lol) but same idea, your kidneys/liver/pancreas/large intestine can only break down and absorb a certain amount of each thing. Your weight will not influence this. You also can't store it like a camel stores water in its hump, so it will be passed out of your system and wasted. Also, our bodies don't have a good way of getting rid of protein so it is turned into ammonia and passed through the excretory system (sweat) If you are eating too much your sweat will start to smell of ammonia. If you don't sweat your body will build up and will begin lysing calcium from your bones, and you will have a hard time with carbohydrates... which you need to fuel your workouts.
It can also cause kidney stones... this one I learned the hard way ><
Anyway, that is not a myth.
I'm still dumbfounded at some of the claims in this post...
...but will admit it may just be my lack of knowledge of this subject.
It is the first I have heard of excess protein consumption being "passed out of your system and wasted"...and then some really bad things happening "if you don't sweat", but since I assume almost everyone sweats, those really bad things aren't really relevant.
And despite instruction to the contrary, I'm inclined to believe the kidney stone claim is in fact a myth (for individuals with a healthy renal system). Quick search led me to this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1262767/ but I suspect there are numerous others out there.
ETA:Unless someone wants to go read what I said I'm not going to partake in this any longer. I was telling him what happens if you consume too much protein. You can continue without me cause I'm not even talking about the same thing as you and it's getting rather annoying to keep saying so. Carry on.
Ah, I see that you've taken your ball and gone home already. 'Tis a shame as I was looking forward to completely changing my understanding of protein.
For what it's worth, I actually *did* read what you posted. I just either didn't understand it or disagreed with much of it.0 -
Unless someone wants to go read what I said I'm not going to partake in this any longer. I was telling him what happens if you consume too much protein. You can continue without me cause I'm not even talking about the same thing as you and it's getting rather annoying to keep saying so. Carry on.
So, what does happen to excess protein then? You are saying it is excreted?
she wont respond.
I cant believe it when people try to pull that crap out with ammonia etc. That was on my last exam on the effects of high circulating ammonia that is not being detoxified.
That exam was the final which I busted my *kitten* in studying, The liver function was the part of the exam I excelled in and knew what would happen if someone who high levels of circulating ammonia.
On top of all the nutritional articles we keep up with in regards to protein timing and ingestion.
cliffs on her
protein cannot be stored - LOL
protein turns to ammonia - no ****, but the liver gets rid of it
people dont seem to understand that anything can do damage to your body if it there is somuething not functioning properly.
potassium will kill you if your kidneys arent working fine.
Vitamin C too if it isnt working properly
water will kill you
carbs will give you diabetes which will eventually kill you
fat will give you high levels of triglycerides which will kill you
protein will kill you cause of high levels of ammonia nad will shut down your kidneys and that will start heart failrue
Obviously I am talking about extremes and other factors but people read one thing such as
High levels of protein in a non functioning liver will result in high levels of ammonia, altered LOC and eventually lead into a coma and death.
They take out the non functioning liver portion and assume
HOLY **** HIGH PROTEIN WILL PUT YOU INTO A GOD DAMN COMA!0 -
After reading all eight pages of this topic, I feel like my brain went on a cutting and bulking cycle. Wow.0
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After reading all eight pages of this topic, I feel like my brain went on a cutting and bulking cycle. Wow.
simplicity is always the best route to go, but spreading stupidity is where my jimmies gets rustled0 -
im bulking with 35% protein 40% carbs 25% fats
Those are the ratios I use too.0 -
she deactivated her account lolUnless someone wants to go read what I said I'm not going to partake in this any longer. I was telling him what happens if you consume too much protein. You can continue without me cause I'm not even talking about the same thing as you and it's getting rather annoying to keep saying so. Carry on.0
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