Ketogenic Diet
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I have been doing that too. What is a typical dinner for you?I don't carb re-feed. Just more stuff to keep track of. I try to keep this simple, food prep on Sunday. I eat the same thing for breakfast and lunch M-F, dinner varies. Breakfast is the same on the weekends, lunch and dinner varies. Less complications lessens the chance I'll screw it up
I hope!
Last night it was 4oz. pork chops, grilled, with a little pepperjack cheese melted on top with 2 cups steamed broccoli/cauliflower. I still can't fry things, so I'm trying to get my fats with spritzing things with olive oils or putting butter on my veggies. Adding butter to everything is really hard for me to do...it just doesn't seem right to ruin perfectly good veggies with fat.
But I'll never complain about the bacon I eat every morning!
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possibly the worst of the worst!! do NOT DO IT:) terrible unhealthy and just plain STUPID!
hope this helps:_)
Kristian Rocco nyc
Yea, cuz' ICE CREAM PIZZA PASTA BEER WINE AND CHOCOLATE is uber healthy.
For something that is the worst of the worst and terribly unhealthy I have never felt better <shrug>
Because the opposite of keto is eating ice cream, pizza, pasta, beer, wine and chocolate for every meal?
The way people on keto talk about keto REALLY puts me off ever trying it. When you say you are skeptical about it and dont think it's sustainable they go CRAZY on you and start sounding like a cult member, it's awful.0 -
obligatory "keto diets are unsustainable" post0
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<20 eggs aday, cheese brocoli, tuna, coconut oil, peanut butter.
in ketosis since 11/11/11, went from 215lb to 176 in 3 months, now im hovering around 185 as my strenght is at the best0 -
obligatory "coach is quoting his opinion, but the reality is many people sustain them for decades" post.obligatory "keto diets are unsustainable" post0 -
<20 eggs aday, cheese brocoli, tuna, coconut oil, peanut butter.
in ketosis since 11/11/11, went from 215lb to 176 in 3 months, now im hovering around 185 as my strenght is at the best
and people call ME orthorexic?
so i know dietary cholesterol doesn't raise serum cholesterol significantly, but 20 eggs a day? i'd be wary of getting 4,000 mg of cholesterol daily. damn0 -
possibly the worst of the worst!! do NOT DO IT:) terrible unhealthy and just plain STUPID!
hope this helps:_)
Kristian Rocco nyc
Yea, cuz' ICE CREAM PIZZA PASTA BEER WINE AND CHOCOLATE is uber healthy.
For something that is the worst of the worst and terribly unhealthy I have never felt better <shrug>
Because the opposite of keto is eating ice cream, pizza, pasta, beer, wine and chocolate for every meal?
The way people on keto talk about keto REALLY puts me off ever trying it. When you say you are skeptical about it and dont think it's sustainable they go CRAZY on you and start sounding like a cult member, it's awful.
Uh, I copied/pasted off of goodtimezzzz profile who is a selling a diet book based on a diet of ice cream, pizza, beer, wine and chocolate. If saying I have never felt better is "cult like" then I suppose I am guilty as charged.
If you're anti keto why in heaven's sake would you even open a thread about it?
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obligatory "coach is quoting his opinion, but the reality is many people sustain them for decades" post.obligatory "keto diets are unsustainable" post
right - people with metabolic disorders.
OP, do you have a metabolic disorder?0 -
Even if you don't have a metabolic order or epilepsy it doesn't mitigate the fact it IS sustainable.right - people with metabolic disorders.
OP, do you have a metabolic disorder?
There's a reason many bodybuilders and athletes use a CKD or TKD, because it works. You don't necessarily need to sustain a ketogenic diet for years to reap the benefits. So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.0 -
Even if you don't have a metabolic order or epilepsy it doesn't mitigate the fact it IS sustainable.right - people with metabolic disorders.
OP, do you have a metabolic disorder?
There's a reason many bodybuilders and athletes use a CKD or TKD, because it works. You don't necessarily need to sustain a ketogenic diet for years to reap the benefits. So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.
how do you get all your vitamins and minerals in a ketogenic diet?0 -
So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.
Next comes the <insert scary music here> Shakeology sales pitch =D0 -
So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.
Next comes the <insert scary music here> Shakeology sales pitch =D
yeah i don't sell shakeology.
nice try though.0 -
So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.
Next comes the <insert scary music here> Shakeology sales pitch =D
yeah i don't sell shakeology.
nice try though.
"I'm also a Beachbody Coach, so feel free to shoot any Beachbody, P90X, Insanity, or Shakeology questions my way and I'd be happy to answer them for you."
You're a Beachbody Coach. Nuff' said.0 -
So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.
Next comes the <insert scary music here> Shakeology sales pitch =D
yeah i don't sell shakeology.
nice try though.
"I'm also a Beachbody Coach, so feel free to shoot any Beachbody, P90X, Insanity, or Shakeology questions my way and I'd be happy to answer them for you."
You're a Beachbody Coach. Nuff' said.
you somehow think you can skip fruits and veggies yet meet your micronutrient needs. 'Nuff said.0 -
So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.
Next comes the <insert scary music here> Shakeology sales pitch =D
yeah i don't sell shakeology.
nice try though.
"I'm also a Beachbody Coach, so feel free to shoot any Beachbody, P90X, Insanity, or Shakeology questions my way and I'd be happy to answer them for you."
You're a Beachbody Coach. Nuff' said.
you somehow think you can skip fruits and veggies yet meet your micronutrient needs. 'Nuff said.
lol. Why in the world would you assume I don't eat fruit and vegetables?0 -
So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.
Next comes the <insert scary music here> Shakeology sales pitch =D
yeah i don't sell shakeology.
nice try though.
"I'm also a Beachbody Coach, so feel free to shoot any Beachbody, P90X, Insanity, or Shakeology questions my way and I'd be happy to answer them for you."
You're a Beachbody Coach. Nuff' said.
you somehow think you can skip fruits and veggies yet meet your micronutrient needs. 'Nuff said.
lol. Why in the world would you assume I don't eat fruit and vegetables?
how many g of carb do you shoot for daily?0 -
By eating healthy meats, fats and vegetables, and limited low-GI fruit.how do you get all your vitamins and minerals in a ketogenic diet?
There are NO vitamins and nutrients found in starchy foods or high-calorie fruits that are not also found in non-starchy vegetables and/or meats.0 -
So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.
Next comes the <insert scary music here> Shakeology sales pitch =D
yeah i don't sell shakeology.
nice try though.
"I'm also a Beachbody Coach, so feel free to shoot any Beachbody, P90X, Insanity, or Shakeology questions my way and I'd be happy to answer them for you."
You're a Beachbody Coach. Nuff' said.
you somehow think you can skip fruits and veggies yet meet your micronutrient needs. 'Nuff said.
lol. Why in the world would you assume I don't eat fruit and vegetables?
how many g of carb do you shoot for daily?
25g of non refined carbs.
But honestly, why do you care what others eat, or don't eat?0 -
Nobody doing ketosis ever needs to skip fruits and veggies. We do value veggies more than fruits, and most stick to higher-fiber lower GI fruits like berries and cherries, which are very low-carb, delicious and full of nutrients/antioxidants etc.you somehow think you can skip fruits and veggies yet meet your micronutrient needs. 'Nuff said.
The amount of nutrients in 30g of non-starchy vegetables is more than sufficient for a person's needs. And again, there's no nutrient or vitamin found in fruit that's not also available in non-starchy vegetables.
Not to mention that nutrition-wise, there's almost nothing on the planet more nutritious than organ meats. Not everybody likes them, unfortunately. I have my butcher grind a little organ meats into my sausage and ground meats just for added nutrient value and nobody in my family notices the difference in flavor.
The idea that people in ketosis aren't getting adequate nutrition is a complete myth based in ignorance of the subject. That's the blunt, honest truth.0 -
bump. i want to read this whole forum when i get a chance.0
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So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.
Next comes the <insert scary music here> Shakeology sales pitch =D
yeah i don't sell shakeology.
nice try though.
"I'm also a Beachbody Coach, so feel free to shoot any Beachbody, P90X, Insanity, or Shakeology questions my way and I'd be happy to answer them for you."
You're a Beachbody Coach. Nuff' said.
you somehow think you can skip fruits and veggies yet meet your micronutrient needs. 'Nuff said.
lol. Why in the world would you assume I don't eat fruit and vegetables?
how many g of carb do you shoot for daily?
25g of non refined carbs.
But honestly, why do you care what others eat, or don't eat?
in my experience most people who try keto end up bailing because it's too restrictive, and then gain all the weight back. if you can manage it successfully for the rest of your life, more power to you, but most people can't. so that means a large number of folks jumping on the Keto fad will end up having wasted their time and emotional energy once they rebound - which, like I said, happens to the majority of people who try it.
can i stop them from trying it? no. should i try and stop them from trying it if they want to? no. is my opinion any more valid than yours? no. but that doesn't mean I shouldn't share my experience - and that is that most people who try a ketogenic diet fail long-term because of how restrictive it is.
also on a completely separate note, just because your body CAN run off ketone bodies doesn't mean that's the preferred source of energy. I'd rather give my body the energy it WANTS, not just the energy it can handle adequately. it's like putting crappy motor oil in your car compared with high quality stuff. will it run? sure. but there will be significantly more stress put on the system. same in the body. dietary stress is a real thing. how hard your body has to work to digest, absorb, and convert food into energy adds up over a lifetime.0 -
So I'm not sure why you keep harping on the same issue repeatedly.
Next comes the <insert scary music here> Shakeology sales pitch =D
yeah i don't sell shakeology.
nice try though.
"I'm also a Beachbody Coach, so feel free to shoot any Beachbody, P90X, Insanity, or Shakeology questions my way and I'd be happy to answer them for you."
You're a Beachbody Coach. Nuff' said.
you somehow think you can skip fruits and veggies yet meet your micronutrient needs. 'Nuff said.
lol. Why in the world would you assume I don't eat fruit and vegetables?
how many g of carb do you shoot for daily?
25g of non refined carbs.
But honestly, why do you care what others eat, or don't eat?
in my experience most people who try keto end up bailing because it's too restrictive, and then gain all the weight back. if you can manage it successfully for the rest of your life, more power to you, but most people can't. so that means a large number of folks jumping on the Keto fad will end up having wasted their time and emotional energy once they rebound - which, like I said, happens to the majority of people who try it.
can i stop them from trying it? no. should i try and stop them from trying it if they want to? no. is my opinion any more valid than yours? no. but that doesn't mean I shouldn't share my experience - and that is that most people who try a ketogenic diet fail long-term because of how restrictive it is.
also on a completely separate note, just because your body CAN run off ketone bodies doesn't mean that's the preferred source of energy. I'd rather give my body the energy it WANTS, not just the energy it can handle adequately. it's like putting crappy motor oil in your car compared with high quality stuff. will it run? sure. but there will be significantly more stress put on the system. same in the body. dietary stress is a real thing. how hard your body has to work to digest, absorb, and convert food into energy adds up over a lifetime.
My diet is not unlike yours, I eat clean, I eat often and I have never felt better. I did not enter this lifestyle change on a whim, and my medical doctor fully supports my decision. But thanks for your concern 0 -
This is quite interesting and informative "The Diet Wars (John McDougall, MD) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srkd-irmrC0 0 -
Nobody doing ketosis ever needs to skip fruits and veggies. We do value veggies more than fruits, and most stick to higher-fiber lower GI fruits like berries and cherries, which are very low-carb, delicious and full of nutrients/antioxidants etc.you somehow think you can skip fruits and veggies yet meet your micronutrient needs. 'Nuff said.
The amount of nutrients in 30g of non-starchy vegetables is more than sufficient for a person's needs. And again, there's no nutrient or vitamin found in fruit that's not also available in non-starchy vegetables.
Not to mention that nutrition-wise, there's almost nothing on the planet more nutritious than organ meats. Not everybody likes them, unfortunately. I have my butcher grind a little organ meats into my sausage and ground meats just for added nutrient value and nobody in my family notices the difference in flavor.
The idea that people in ketosis aren't getting adequate nutrition is a complete myth based in ignorance of the subject. That's the blunt, honest truth.
i just want to point something out to you.
just because you are extremely well versed in your own nutritional needs does NOT mean everyone else who tries a keto diet is as well. MOST people who try it are looking for a "get skinny quick" scheme and ARE ignorant of the subject.
There are many who go on ZERO carb diets. Can keto be done safely? Obviously yes, since it's a treatment for metabolic disorders. But I think you need to be extremely clear when discussing Keto diets that there's a difference between low carb and no carb, and that there is a healthy way to do it and a not so healthy way. Carbs are NOT the enemy, and treating them as such creates a problem.0 -
You know as well as we do that most people trying ANY diet bail/fail and gain weight back. Well over 90%, in-fact. This is not the fault of the diet, this is the fault of the person.in my experience most people who try keto end up bailing because it's too restrictive, and then gain all the weight back.
The problem is with people that "go on" a diet, implying they'll go off. The key with a ketogenic diet or any other is once desired weight-loss is achieved, not to drastically change the diet back to old habits. And that's what virtually everybody who fails on any diet does. To solely blame keto- for this is to miss the point.
When someone returns to a maintenance phase of any diet they should reintroduce dietary changes gradually, not drastically, and they should still monitor calories to be sure they're not above TDEE. Anyone doing anything different is going to fail regardless of the diet.
Again, it's the same with ANY diet that people "go on" and then "go off" of. Regardless of it's macronutrient profile.if you can manage it successfully for the rest of your life, more power to you, but most people can't. so that means a large number of folks jumping on the Keto fad will end up having wasted their time and emotional energy once they rebound - which, like I said, happens to the majority of people who try it.
No, they don't fail because of how restrictive it is ... that's your assumption. Most fail in that they think they can drastically change dietary habits without consequences.can i stop them from trying it? no. should i try and stop them from trying it if they want to? no. is my opinion any more valid than yours? no. but that doesn't mean I shouldn't share my experience - and that is that most people who try a ketogenic diet fail long-term because of how restrictive it is.
The vast majority of people who try any diet plan fail. I could say "they all fail on diet plans because of how restrictive they are" but that doesn't make it true. They fail because they lack the willpower to eat properly, then people like you call the diet that's been used for over a century a fad...
What's the scientific definition of "preferred", do you know? I hear that all the time from the anti-keto crowd.also on a completely separate note, just because your body CAN run off ketone bodies doesn't mean that's the preferred source of energy.
Preferred doesn't mean "better". Preferred simply means what it will use first under normal circumstances if available. In a ketogenic dieter the bodie's PREFERRED source of fuel is fatty acids. Therefore, the term 'preferred' doesn't make a glucose-fueled body any more desirable than a ketone/fatty-acid fueled one.
Everybody who's ketogenic has a body who's preferred source of energy is fatty-acids and ketones.
And none of this is true. Saying carbohydrates are the "energy it WANTS" is an opinion that's not based in biochemistry. It's a complete myth you simply cannot back up with science.I'd rather give my body the energy it WANTS, not just the energy it can handle adequately. it's like putting crappy motor oil in your car compared with high quality stuff. will it run? sure. but there will be significantly more stress put on the system. same in the body. dietary stress is a real thing. how hard your body has to work to digest, absorb, and convert food into energy adds up over a lifetime.
... as is your motor oil analogy.
A ketogenic diet that includes 25-30g at minimum of non-starchy veggies and low-GI fruits is far healthier than what 95% of the western world is eating today, and your diet is no more nutritionally complete, nor 'better' in any biochemical fashion.
The ONLY difference between your diet and mine is yours will allow slightly higher glucogen stores, while mine will keep blood glucose and insulin levels more moderate.0 -
lol. There is not ONE post here that encourages a carb free lifestyle, in fact, most posts here talk about carb macro's. I would hope people are smart enough to investigate ANY lifestyle choice they make, but if they don't, that is their business.
Live and let live.0 -
And I agree with you - in regards to many a diet. There are people that adopted the "Twinkie Diet" after the media touted it. And the "nothing but potatoes for a month" diet ...i just want to point something out to you.
just because you are extremely well versed in your own nutritional needs does NOT mean everyone else who tries a keto diet is as well. MOST people who try it are looking for a "get skinny quick" scheme and ARE ignorant of the subject.
There are many who go on ZERO carb diets. Can keto be done safely? Obviously yes, since it's a treatment for metabolic disorders. But I think you need to be extremely clear when discussing Keto diets that there's a difference between low carb and no carb, and that there is a healthy way to do it and a not so healthy way. Carbs are NOT the enemy, and treating them as such creates a problem.
Then there's those that go vegan without knowledge and get tooth decay, hair loss, and horrible symptoms from B12 deficiency.
There's multiple reports worldwide of vegans depriving their children nutritionally causing DEATH to the children, yet here you are harping on keto...
Regardless of what diet a person chooses, they should research it, and there are risks of deficiencies. The point you make doesn't solely apply to keto, yet you continue to attack it without having a sound understanding yourself.
And BTW nobody here has said that carbs are the enemy, which you seem to think we believe. No ketogenic diet recommends zero carb. No expert in ketogenic dieting, whether versed in nutrition, epilepsy or endocrine disorders recommends zero carb. None.
You seem to have preconceived notions about all keto- dieters and proponents that aren't based in fact.0 -
What's the scientific definition of "preferred", do you know? I hear that all the time from the anti-keto crowd.also on a completely separate note, just because your body CAN run off ketone bodies doesn't mean that's the preferred source of energy.
Preferred doesn't mean "better". Preferred simply means what it will use first under normal circumstances if available. In a ketogenic dieter the bodie's PREFERRED source of fuel is fatty acids. Therefore, the term 'preferred' doesn't make a glucose-fueled body any more desirable than a ketone/fatty-acid fueled one.
Everybody who's ketogenic has a body who's preferred source of energy is fatty-acids and ketones.
i simply mean that in your body's natural state, before you ketone-d yourself, it preferred carbs for energy, and you had to TRAIN IT to prefer ketones0 -
And I agree with you - in regards to many a diet. There are people that adopted the "Twinkie Diet" after the media touted it. And the "nothing but potatoes for a month" diet ...i just want to point something out to you.
just because you are extremely well versed in your own nutritional needs does NOT mean everyone else who tries a keto diet is as well. MOST people who try it are looking for a "get skinny quick" scheme and ARE ignorant of the subject.
There are many who go on ZERO carb diets. Can keto be done safely? Obviously yes, since it's a treatment for metabolic disorders. But I think you need to be extremely clear when discussing Keto diets that there's a difference between low carb and no carb, and that there is a healthy way to do it and a not so healthy way. Carbs are NOT the enemy, and treating them as such creates a problem.
Then there's those that go vegan without knowledge and get tooth decay, hair loss, and horrible symptoms from B12 deficiency.
There's multiple reports worldwide of vegans depriving their children nutritionally causing DEATH to the children, yet here you are harping on keto...
Regardless of what diet a person chooses, they should research it, and there are risks of deficiencies. The point you make doesn't solely apply to keto, yet you continue to attack it without having a sound understanding yourself.
And BTW nobody here has said that carbs are the enemy, which you seem to think we believe. No ketogenic diet recommends zero carb. No expert in ketogenic dieting, whether versed in nutrition, epilepsy or endocrine disorders recommends zero carb. None.
You seem to have preconceived notions about all keto- dieters and proponents that aren't based in fact.
come on, i didn't say you or anyone in this thread supported zero carb, and I never made sweeping generalizations about all keto-dieters. I said "most" and the "majority", which you seemed to agree with until the edit.
you can't disagree that most people jump on the keto bandwagon looking for a quick fix.0 -
you can't disagree that most people jump on the keto bandwagon looking for a quick fix.
I'm sure more people jump on the Primal looking for a quick fix 0
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