Outraged!
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Yes but it's getting media attention. Most of their clothes won't fit people with real bodies anyway so they will most likely still maintain their customer base. NOW, if they made a homophobic or racist comment, I guarantee that base would dwindle
Every body has a real body. Saying that people who fit their clothes don't have a "real" body isn't any better than saying those who don't fit their clothes aren't cool or attractive.
Well it's my opinion and it's mine to have. Their clothes are made for mannequins, those aren't real bodies now are they?
Except that there are real people who wear their clothes, and even more who can fit their clothing, not just mannequins.
That's nice, I don't really care though. I just like making my post count go up.
Yes, I've seen you say that or similar before.
Quotes or it didn't happen.
So, do you wear A&F clothes or do you just like to play troll?0 -
Im a 110, 51 year old woman. I cant shop there...I dont care. I also cant shop at Lane Bryant...I don't care.0
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The CEO can have his opinion--that doesn't affect me, and I couldn't be bothered. I fit into their clothes, but I'm not a regular, loyal customer. I have a few of their tops, though.
What I have a problem with is the notion that plus-sized girls are "uncool" or "not good-looking". I remember kids getting teased mercilessly in middle school for not fitting into a certain size or wearing a certain brand. That a man who caters specifically to that age group can justify and even encourage that kind of bullying is frankly disgusting to me.
And for all of the people defending him by arguing that "all stores have cut-offs", and to those of you who (hopefully jokingly) argued that Lane Bryant is the exact same way:
THE INTENT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. When the Children's Place doesn't offer adult-sized clothing, it isn't because they think adults are "icky" and "ugly." When Lane Bryant only offers plus-sized clothing, it isn't because they think SKINNY people are hideous.
With A&F, the CEO has made it explicitly clear that the reason they cater to smaller women is because they find larger women unattractive, uncool, and ugly. It is a negative message, instead of an empowering one.
I won't shop there, and that is my right as a consumer when I am displeased with the ethical stand of the company's owners.
It's like the Chick Fil' A situation a few months back. The CEO is entitled to his opinion, but I am entitled to mine, too, and if I am disgusted enough to boycott the store, then so be it.
thats right, power to the feminists! How dare you try to force woman into the "hot" box that society desires....lets march on DC ladies....!
Sarcasm, how attractive. Look, I get it. We don't want people to be unhealthy. That's the purpose of this site.
But tearing down overweight people is never the answer--especially when those overweight people are at a vulnerable age.
That being said, I am a feminist, though I think targeting this CEO wouldn't solve a freaking thing. It is society's perception of women that is messed up, and he is just a member of the star-struck, deluded masses.
Ok - I will take my wise as# hat off and put on my serious one. It is a Free Market and the CEO can sell and/or market to whatever group he says fit. You at the same time have the right to buy, or not buy his produce. However, his catering to skinny "hot" people is no different then walmart catering to low income people. In business you find your niche and exploit it for profit gain/maximization ...
Ok - wise *kitten* hat back now...i
How is that any different than what I said in my original comment? I know that stores must find their niche in order to survive--but most stores don't shame and insult all those who DON'T fit into their little niche, and that's where A&F's CEO went wrong.
I was referring to the fact that people somehow find this offensive. Its a free market/free country deal with it. If you want the State to determine what is approved and/or not approved for sale then move to communist China or Stalinist Russia.
Dude, NO ONE IS SAYING THAT.
I thought it was the right of the consumer in a free market to CHOOSE what to buy? And if something offends them, they have to option to not shop there?
My offense to his statements, and the offense of many others here, is a PERFECT example of the free market economy at work.
right, and he has the right to say and push whatever clothing line he wants...
Isn't that what I've been saying this ENTIRE FREAKING TIME?
Seriously, what was the point of this drawn out debate if you agree with me?AF attracts middle - upper class predominantly white teens. That's their target market. Teens in general have a high metabolism and are more likely to be in shape (see freshman year of college).
Teens who shop at AF really usually don't give a crap about feelings for "fat people", lets be honest here.
Again this CEO is a PR genius in my opinion, doing this on purpose and now everyone is talking about it and the kids who might buy into the image are gonna pile on. The amount of business they gain vs lose is gonna be substantially in the positive.
That remains to be seen. I'm an eternal optimist. I'm in that age group, and I've always fit in their clothes, but I wouldn't shop there anymore. Personally, I hope that business goes down, but if it doesn't, that's fine, too. People can make their own choices--I just choose not to give my money to that store anymore. This is 'Murica after all.
wow you like to yell hugh...
I win, your pissed...
bahahahahahahahahaha
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Yes but it's getting media attention. Most of their clothes won't fit people with real bodies anyway so they will most likely still maintain their customer base. NOW, if they made a homophobic or racist comment, I guarantee that base would dwindle
Every body has a real body. Saying that people who fit their clothes don't have a "real" body isn't any better than saying those who don't fit their clothes aren't cool or attractive.
Well it's my opinion and it's mine to have. Their clothes are made for mannequins, those aren't real bodies now are they?
Except that there are real people who wear their clothes, and even more who can fit their clothing, not just mannequins.
That's nice, I don't really care though. I just like making my post count go up.
Yes, I've seen you say that or similar before.
Quotes or it didn't happen.
So, do you wear A&F clothes or do you just like to play troll?
I think the post was deleted, if not I am too lazy to search it, its the one about the brother who didn't like the guy hitting on his sister.
I am pretty sure earlier in the thread I said I don't shop there because it makes me feel old because I hate the loud music and how dark it is (even when I wasn't as old). I had never even noticed the sizing because I only walked through the store. I haven't ever worn anything of their before this, and I won't now either.
I don't understand how I am trolling at all. First time I have ever even been accused of it. Although its odd that someone who is arguing for the sake of a post count is accusing me of trolling....0 -
Yes but it's getting media attention. Most of their clothes won't fit people with real bodies anyway so they will most likely still maintain their customer base. NOW, if they made a homophobic or racist comment, I guarantee that base would dwindle
Every body has a real body. Saying that people who fit their clothes don't have a "real" body isn't any better than saying those who don't fit their clothes aren't cool or attractive.
Well it's my opinion and it's mine to have. Their clothes are made for mannequins, those aren't real bodies now are they?
Except that there are real people who wear their clothes, and even more who can fit their clothing, not just mannequins.
That's nice, I don't really care though. I just like making my post count go up.
Yes, I've seen you say that or similar before.
Quotes or it didn't happen.
So, do you wear A&F clothes or do you just like to play troll?
I think the post was deleted, if not I am too lazy to search it, its the one about the brother who didn't like the guy hitting on his sister.
I am pretty sure earlier in the thread I said I don't shop there because it makes me feel old because I hate the loud music and how dark it is (even when I wasn't as old). I had never even noticed the sizing because I only walked through the store.
I don't understand how I am trolling at all. First time I have ever even been accused of it. Although its odd that someone who is arguing for the sake of a post count is accusing me of trolling....
Your response is way too long.0 -
I've never shopped there because their clothes look shoddy and cheap, which I suppose could look cool to some people.0
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I'm not sure that Lane Bryant or King Direct (or any other target market company) is outright implying anyone NOT able to wear their sizes aren't acceptable. But isn't A&F the company that had a big thing with Mike "the Situation" Sorrentino from Jersey Shore? I mean really?
Also lets not forget Tommy Hilfiger made big statements that he didn't want anyone poor to wear his stuff and that didn't work out Private company can do and say what they want, but that doesn't mean people can't share their opinions and thoughts, dude sure did. 0 -
Methinks someone is just overcompensating. He can say whatever he wants. His brand is crap.0 -
wow you like to yell hugh...
I win, your pissed...
bahahahahahahahahaha
Also, my name is not Hugh.
learn to english.
when that is all you have left, then I really win ...
I'm like charlie sheen on a cocaine binge with three porn stars...winning!0 -
well stated0
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Yes but it's getting media attention. Most of their clothes won't fit people with real bodies anyway so they will most likely still maintain their customer base. NOW, if they made a homophobic or racist comment, I guarantee that base would dwindle
Every body has a real body. Saying that people who fit their clothes don't have a "real" body isn't any better than saying those who don't fit their clothes aren't cool or attractive.
Well it's my opinion and it's mine to have. Their clothes are made for mannequins, those aren't real bodies now are they?
Except that there are real people who wear their clothes, and even more who can fit their clothing, not just mannequins.
That's nice, I don't really care though. I just like making my post count go up.
Yes, I've seen you say that or similar before.
Quotes or it didn't happen.
So, do you wear A&F clothes or do you just like to play troll?
I think the post was deleted, if not I am too lazy to search it, its the one about the brother who didn't like the guy hitting on his sister.
I am pretty sure earlier in the thread I said I don't shop there because it makes me feel old because I hate the loud music and how dark it is (even when I wasn't as old). I had never even noticed the sizing because I only walked through the store.
I don't understand how I am trolling at all. First time I have ever even been accused of it. Although its odd that someone who is arguing for the sake of a post count is accusing me of trolling....
Your response is way too long.
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My thing is why can't plus sized women have the same cute things that the thinner people have? Why should we be look like we are wearing tarps for clothes or look like an 80 year old with floral print... Its whatever... I plan on losing the weight and you bet I will probably be in this store when I get where I want to be because I have never been able to wear that kind of stuff before. I don't agree with it but then again it is my body so if I want to fit into it I better do something about it... as I am doing. :-)0
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Methinks someone is just overcompensating. He can say whatever he wants. His brand is crap.0 -
wow you like to yell hugh...
I win, your pissed...
bahahahahahahahahaha
Also, my name is not Hugh.
learn to english.
when that is all you have left, then I really win ...
I'm like charlie sheen on a cocaine binge with three porn stars...winning!
In my previous post, I said,I'm not mad, nor am I yelling. I just don't think emphasis is well translated on the internet, and I wouldn't want to hurt your poor brain making you think about which words I'm stressing in my post.
And "winning" a debate involves having an opposing argument, which you do not.
QED.
But at this point, you're just trolling. And while it has been very entertaining for me to humor you while waiting for my laundry to finish, I am no longer interested.
Thanks for the lulz. The communism thing made my night.0 -
I have a deep, personal issue with this type of thing because I was never the "skinny" chick and could never really fit into a lot of that small clothing (at my smallest, I was an 11). My sisters, however, were always the smaller ones and could fit into that stuff (size xs and m). This really always hit hard for me as a teen and I don't understand how the companies can continue to market an "ideal" shape/size to teens and young adults. To imagine that the pain I felt (and still feel at times) is being felt by a middle school/high school kid is a horrible thought and they should be taught that everyone is beautiful and should be able to wear whatever they want, regardless of if one person finds them "perfect enough". Besides, think of how many more clothes these stores would sell...0
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My thing is why can't plus sized women have the same cute things that the thinner people have? Why should we be look like we are wearing tarps for clothes or look like an 80 year old with floral print... Its whatever... I plan on losing the weight and you bet I will probably be in this store when I get where I want to be because I have never been able to wear that kind of stuff before. I don't agree with it but then again it is my body so if I want to fit into it I better do something about it... as I am doing. :-)
There are a lot of stores out there that market to everyone, including plus size men and women that actually look nice, lol.
I fit A&F clothing but it doesn't show my body off well.. it's designed for teens whose bodies have not fully finished developing yet, small thighs, a lot of low rise, no variety, poor quality, etc.. anyone who has lost weight but has wide hips, thighs, slender waist will get what I'm saying... I'm sure someone will try and pick that opinion apart too but yeah. Trust me, there are better brands out there to lose weight and fit into. :P Don't let it get you down0 -
My thing is why can't plus sized women have the same cute things that the thinner people have? Why should we be look like we are wearing tarps for clothes or look like an 80 year old with floral print... Its whatever... I plan on losing the weight and you bet I will probably be in this store when I get where I want to be because I have never been able to wear that kind of stuff before. I don't agree with it but then again it is my body so if I want to fit into it I better do something about it... as I am doing. :-)
There are a lot of stores out there that market to everyone, including plus size men and women that actually look nice, lol.
I fit A&F clothing but it doesn't show my body off well.. it's designed for teens whose bodies have not fully finished developing yet, small thighs, a lot of low rise, no variety, poor quality, etc.. anyone who has lost weight but has wide hips, thighs, slender waist will get what I'm saying... I'm sure someone will try and pick that opinion apart too but yeah. Trust me, there are better brands out there to lose weight and fit into. :P Don't let it get you down
My current personal favorite is American Eagle, but I do wish to lose some weight even though I do fit their clothes (size 16 here).0 -
The guy has issues, that is for sure. Are the young people wearing brand names now days? When I was a teen you wouldn't be caught dead with a logo or obviously some certain brand, after Varnet or whatever died off (thank god!).
Anyhow, the lost opportunity of paying for overpriced crap is not something to rage over.0 -
He surely doesn't have a lot of tact or compassion.
I think Abercrombie is mainly for high school on down anyway.
I've noticed that Victoria's Secret (I like to call Victoria's Secretions) doesn't have larger clothing or undergarments either.0 -
Have to say the only place I've seen A&F clothes for sale is in my local thrift stores.
Never been across the threshold of the A&Fstore in the mall, can't see inside, no mannequins, no windows - just a big photo at the entrance of people NOT wearing clothes, and have to go right or left to get inside. I'll pass.
Yeah, the company can do whatever they want, but way to cut off a good part of your market, and put yourself out there as quite the pompous windbag. :yawn:0 -
He surely doesn't have a lot of tact or compassion.
I think Abercrombie is mainly for high school on down anyway.
I've noticed that Victoria's Secret (I like to call Victoria's Secretions) doesn't have larger clothing or undergarments either.
Probably middle school and elementary, actually, though that may just be because I live in the inner city.
And yeah, they don't always carry large sizes. But my sister is a DDD, and she finds bras there just fine.0 -
My thing is why can't plus sized women have the same cute things that the thinner people have? Why should we be look like we are wearing tarps for clothes or look like an 80 year old with floral print... Its whatever... I plan on losing the weight and you bet I will probably be in this store when I get where I want to be because I have never been able to wear that kind of stuff before. I don't agree with it but then again it is my body so if I want to fit into it I better do something about it... as I am doing. :-)
There are a lot of stores out there that market to everyone, including plus size men and women that actually look nice, lol.
I fit A&F clothing but it doesn't show my body off well.. it's designed for teens whose bodies have not fully finished developing yet, small thighs, a lot of low rise, no variety, poor quality, etc.. anyone who has lost weight but has wide hips, thighs, slender waist will get what I'm saying... I'm sure someone will try and pick that opinion apart too but yeah. Trust me, there are better brands out there to lose weight and fit into. :P Don't let it get you down
My current personal favorite is American Eagle, but I do wish to lose some weight even though I do fit their clothes (size 16 here).
They make nice winter sweaters.. Nothing wrong with that. I started as a size 16 (now size 6) and I found I could never find size 16 pants to buy (cause everyone wore the same size). Great motivator for me to lose weight lol0 -
i'm going to say something, even though i usually wouldn't, but i feel like everyone once again turned this into a controversial thing and made their posts extremely rude.
i've never been thin. but i wasn't ever sickly obese. but i remember my mom taking me shopping (and dreading it) numerous times for school clothes so i could fit in with the other kids.
you know what these shopping trips turned into? me crying, calling myself fat and hating the way i looked. i even had a lady come up to me in the dressing room begging me not to cry because she knows the stores only sell to skinnier people and it's bull****!
to be honest, i'm glad this CEO or whatever said that comment. if i would have known which stores only sold to "attractive" people, it would have saved me a lot of heartbreak when i was young.0 -
You know what I think is more "outrageous"?
The fact that more and more stores are going "plus-sized" because of society as a whole becoming more and more overweight. When I couldn't find a pair of jeans that fit me at my favorite clothing store it was my wake up call...
They now carry that size and label it three sizes below what it's supposed to be.0 -
I believe Hollister has the same outlook, their employees are contracted as models not sales people which has got them into some legal bother (or at least I have heard) therefore if they wake up with a huge spot and are not model perfect they cannot go into work that day.
I think it is an exclusive brand for a very specific market and if employees are willing to go along with this to be 'in the club' then I have no issues with it. I am a US 14 and have never had anything but good service at AF or Hollister, true not everything in there would fit or suit me at my current weight... but I will get there!0 -
i'm going to say something, even though i usually wouldn't, but i feel like everyone once again turned this into a controversial thing and made their posts extremely rude.
i've never been thin. but i wasn't ever sickly obese. but i remember my mom taking me shopping (and dreading it) numerous times for school clothes so i could fit in with the other kids.
you know what these shopping trips turned into? me crying, calling myself fat and hating the way i looked. i even had a lady come up to me in the dressing room begging me not to cry because she knows the stores only sell to skinnier people and it's bull****!
to be honest, i'm glad this CEO or whatever said that comment. if i would have known which stores only sold to "attractive" people, it would have saved me a lot of heartbreak when i was young.
You are beautiful - dont put yourself down!!!0 -
You know, Lane Bryant really only hires plus-sized women to sell their clothes, and don't sell clothing smaller than a size 14. Is that an outrage? They don't really want to sell things to smaller sized people, and only market to larger people.
Same thing if you ask me. Now, is the CEO guy kind of a pretentious *kitten* with his words? Sure, but he's not doing anything different than most other stores.
This.
I'm also ashamed of all the skinny bashing that I've been seeing lately. When I was obese, I was the victim of body shaming for being obese. Now that I am a size 4, I am being bashed still because I am lean. Women can't ever be happy, and we must always endure hate from other women. It's appalling.
Don't shop there if you don't want to. It's as simple as that. I don't feel this rage towards Lane Bryant, and I don't feel this rage towards Victoria's Secret for not carrying 30G size bras which is what I wear now. I just shop somewhere else and move on with life.0 -
You know what I think is more "outrageous"?
The fact that more and more stores are going "plus-sized" because of society as a whole becoming more and more overweight. When I couldn't find a pair of jeans that fit me at my favorite clothing store it was my wake up call...
They now carry that size and label it three sizes below what it's supposed to be.
This.0 -
You know what I think is more "outrageous"?
The fact that more and more stores are going "plus-sized" because of society as a whole becoming more and more overweight. When I couldn't find a pair of jeans that fit me at my favorite clothing store it was my wake up call...
They now carry that size and label it three sizes below what it's supposed to be.
This.
I don't know how I missed this post but TRUE0 -
You know what I think is more "outrageous"?
The fact that more and more stores are going "plus-sized" because of society as a whole becoming more and more overweight. When I couldn't find a pair of jeans that fit me at my favorite clothing store it was my wake up call...
They now carry that size and label it three sizes below what it's supposed to be.
This.
I don't know how I missed this post but TRUE
I can agree with that. My wake up call was similar...they carried my size, but I had jumped 3 sizes in the span of a few months. Many tears were shed that day!0
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