Catty Women
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This is why when hiring, I'll look at women as a last resort. I'm a software engineer, and long and short, having women in the office just ****s up the vibe. It's much better to be efficient communicators - transfer the information (good bad or indifferent) and move on - without worrying about anyone's friggin feelings.
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Where I come from that is illegal. It's discriminatory hiring practices. A potential employee's gender should not enter into the hiring decision. If you are in the states, you could be opening yourself and your company up to EEO suits. Probably not the smartest thing in the world to post this on a public website.
*shrug*
I don't prefer working with women. There's nothing that could be done in court. How is someone going to know my pre-screening practices? Who's gonna bring the suit?
I hope, for your sake, you never get to experience the "fun" of having someone file against you. I have been there, and it is not a fun position to be in. I had a complaint filed against me for dicriminatory hiring practices. They alleged that I was discriminating against white males who were over 40. It took months of investigations, and confiscating my hiring records before the complaint was dismissed. It was a very miserable and stressful period in my life, and I had clear documentation as to why the complaint was false.
That came about because I had an insider who told this candidate that I hired all women who were under 25 which was true at the time, (2 employees total from which there were no male applicants). In reality, I hadn't selected anyone from the applicants for the position he was applting for. He got wind of that, and filed a complaint. They went over my life with a fine-toothed comb.
And as for knowing what your pre-screening practices, you just admitted to the world in general what they are. What if someone who applied for one of your jobs happen to be on this site, and recognize you and file a suit after printing this page? There is an answer as to who might file...0 -
If most women you ever came in contact with were catty b@tches, forgive me for assuming that it might actually be you who has a problem.
Not necessarily. It could really be her peer group / environment. It's been my experience that women in big cities are less catty than those in suburbs and small towns. Successful ambitious women are less catty than those who are just working to pass the time. Even certain industries seem to have more cattiness than others.0 -
This is why when hiring, I'll look at women as a last resort. I'm a software engineer, and long and short, having women in the office just ****s up the vibe. It's much better to be efficient communicators - transfer the information (good bad or indifferent) and move on - without worrying about anyone's friggin feelings.
Let me get this straight, you do not hire any women because women mess up the vibe of your office and lack the ability to get to the point and separate feelings from work? :noway:
To the OP I enjoyed the post until the comment about "no female friends" I have learned with age you can have female friends that are not catty or snobs at all. I work in nursing and 90% of my field is female (and surprising to some people as this may be, we haven't killed any one or caused harm due to our lack of control of OUR FEELINGS) and though there are plenty of these cats around that just cannot say nice, and enjoy throwing digs out at other women, there are also women that are nice and a blast to be around.0 -
ahhh...if only the solution were so simple and the world so ideal. I'm at a HUGE multi-national company, and if all the experienced, educated, qualified (but catty personality) people got fired (or weren't hired), I suspect we'd have about 5 people left here to do the work...
Huh, so at the HUGE multi-national company, everyone there but 5 people are female and catty.... yikes, you should look for a new job.
They never said they were female. See the bolded section above. Female was never mentioned.0 -
4If most women you ever came in contact with were catty b@tches, forgive me for assuming that it might actually be you who has a problem.
Not necessarily. It could really be her peer group / environment. It's been my experience that women in big cities are less catty than those in suburbs and small towns. Successful ambitious women are less catty than those who are just working to pass the time. Even certain industries seem to have more cattiness than others.
People with no dreams/ambitions might be "catty" out of boredom or jealousy. One should still strive to get out of that environment. To a certain extent you create your environment anyways.0 -
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Wow, there is some serious misogyny going on in this thread... from both men and women.
OP, how old are you and this is your first encounter with a group of catty women? I want to live where you live. Yes, catty women exist. No, not all women are catty, and not all catty women are catty every single day. Oh, and
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This is why when hiring, I'll look at women as a last resort. I'm a software engineer, and long and short, having women in the office just ****s up the vibe. It's much better to be efficient communicators - transfer the information (good bad or indifferent) and move on - without worrying about anyone's friggin feelings.
:noway:
Where I come from that is illegal. It's discriminatory hiring practices. A potential employee's gender should not enter into the hiring decision. If you are in the states, you could be opening yourself and your company up to EEO suits. Probably not the smartest thing in the world to post this on a public website.
*shrug*
I don't prefer working with women. There's nothing that could be done in court. How is someone going to know my pre-screening practices? Who's gonna bring the suit?
You have a wife. Daughters? Sisters? How would you feel if your daughter worked just as hard as any man to get a degree and experience, then didn't get a job because she's a women?
He responded but conveniently ignored this part of your post.0 -
ahhh...if only the solution were so simple and the world so ideal. I'm at a HUGE multi-national company, and if all the experienced, educated, qualified (but catty personality) people got fired (or weren't hired), I suspect we'd have about 5 people left here to do the work...
Huh, so at the HUGE multi-national company, everyone there but 5 people are female and catty.... yikes, you should look for a new job.
They never said they were female. See the bolded section above. Female was never mentioned.
That's true. However, the OP was regarding catty females, then the post which this particular convo started was based on a catty female. I still, with reason, thought that the conversation was about females. But I could have misunderstood the comment as well.0 -
This is why when hiring, I'll look at women as a last resort. I'm a software engineer, and long and short, having women in the office just ****s up the vibe. It's much better to be efficient communicators - transfer the information (good bad or indifferent) and move on - without worrying about anyone's friggin feelings.
:noway:
Where I come from that is illegal. It's discriminatory hiring practices. A potential employee's gender should not enter into the hiring decision. If you are in the states, you could be opening yourself and your company up to EEO suits. Probably not the smartest thing in the world to post this on a public website.
*shrug*
I don't prefer working with women. There's nothing that could be done in court. How is someone going to know my pre-screening practices? Who's gonna bring the suit?
You have a wife. Daughters? Sisters? How would you feel if your daughter worked just as hard as any man to get a degree and experience, then didn't get a job because she's a women?
He responded but conveniently ignored this part of your post.
My mother has only sisters. My father has only sisters. I have 2 sisters. I have no male cousins. I have no nephews. I have 2 sons.
And hey, when it hits close to home, it's "different", eh?0 -
Catty women?
I am sorry. That is sexist. Jealousy, and the need to bring down someone we might envy, is a human thing.
Why does it get solely attributed to women?
It is cruel and unnecessary and petty no matter who does it.
That is it exactly, it is a human condition brought about by envy and perhaps even jealously which is stronger and tinged with resentment. It's an attitude expressed by people who generally do not feel good about themselves male or female. Historically, women get the blame for it as they usually do more of the talking, bonding, and venting with other women.
Age or maturity does not diminish the cattiness, it can strike at any age depending on the level of unhappiness, despondency, and negative feelings the person may have of their own life. The catty attitude feeds uncontrollably in a group setting—usually female but not always. It’s an affliction really, best to steer clear.0 -
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ahhh...if only the solution were so simple and the world so ideal. I'm at a HUGE multi-national company, and if all the experienced, educated, qualified (but catty personality) people got fired (or weren't hired), I suspect we'd have about 5 people left here to do the work...
Seriously! We have this 20 year old intern who all the guys are drooling over, and there's not a week that goes by where someone doesn't come and complain to me about her clothes being too tight, or her heels too high. 99% of the time, she's completely covered, her skirts to or just above the knee, and her neckline appropriate..but these catty cows don't like the attention she gets..... I want to say "get over it...you were that age once too" SMH....I've worked with all women, and with all men....now its probably 90/10 male/female ratio. I have to say...some guys can be just as bad, or worse than women when it comes to that stuff, but I'd still NEVER willingly take a job in an office with all women every again :noway:
This is why when hiring, I'll look at women as a last resort. I'm a software engineer, and long and short, having women in the office just ****s up the vibe. It's much better to be efficient communicators - transfer the information (good bad or indifferent) and move on - without worrying about anyone's friggin feelings.
wow....ummm.. it sounds to me like both your HR departments are in need of serious help. It has nothing to do with being women... it has to do with work ethic and personality traits... perhaps future interviews should be more comprehensive. This is a problem within your hiring process not one that you should be putting on an entire female population.
Huh, so at the HUGE multi-national company, everyone there but 5 people are female and catty.... yikes, you should look for a new job.
Why would I want to look for a new job? Perhaps you're confusing who wrote what....but I never stated I work with all catty women, or that I was unhappy about it at all....I just said that I'd never want to work in an office of ALL women again. Its a good company, and I am paid very well. I have also been out in the working world long enough to understand that you don't just quit a job because some women are catty (that's everywhere I've ever worked, and if you haven't seen it where you work, you should consider yourself very lucky). Quite honestly, their behavior amuses me most of the time.....0 -
4If most women you ever came in contact with were catty b@tches, forgive me for assuming that it might actually be you who has a problem.
Not necessarily. It could really be her peer group / environment. It's been my experience that women in big cities are less catty than those in suburbs and small towns. Successful ambitious women are less catty than those who are just working to pass the time. Even certain industries seem to have more cattiness than others.
People with no dreams/ambitions might be "catty" out of boredom or jealousy. One should still strive to get out of that environment. To a certain extent you create your environment anyways.
Exactly. And I think that's what I was getting at. People who are bored and dissatisfied with their lives tend to be more catty. I know if I worked with a bunch of women like that, I'd probably seek a job elsewhere. But then again, I embrace change and risk, and have no dependents.0 -
And hey, when it hits close to home, it's "different", eh?
It shouldn't be. You disrepect the women in your life by disrepecting women in general.
Does your wife know you discriminate against women? If she does, I bet she is ashamed of you. If not, she should be.0 -
Women outnumber men in the US and yet there has never been a female President.
Why?
Because women are ultra-critical of other women...0 -
That was perfectly put. :baconforyou:And hey, when it hits close to home, it's "different", eh?
It shouldn't be. You disrepect the women in your life by disrepecting women in general.
Does your wife know you discriminate against women? If she does, I bet she is ashamed of you. If not, she should be.0 -
I've worked with all women, and with all men....now its probably 90/10 male/female ratio. I have to say...some guys can be just as bad, or worse than women when it comes to that stuff, but I'd still NEVER willingly take a job in an office with all women every again :noway:
This is why when hiring, I'll look at women as a last resort. I'm a software engineer, and long and short, having women in the office just ****s up the vibe. It's much better to be efficient communicators - transfer the information (good bad or indifferent) and move on - without worrying about anyone's friggin feelings.
FYI - I'm exactly the type of person who will find you and expose you for this bullsh1t. And I'm good at finding people.0 -
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That was perfectly put. :baconforyou:And hey, when it hits close to home, it's "different", eh?
It shouldn't be. You disrepect the women in your life by disrepecting women in general.
Does your wife know you discriminate against women? If she does, I bet she is ashamed of you. If not, she should be.
Yeah, I agree!0 -
That was perfectly put. :baconforyou:And hey, when it hits close to home, it's "different", eh?
It shouldn't be. You disrepect the women in your life by disrepecting women in general.
Does your wife know you discriminate against women? If she does, I bet she is ashamed of you. If not, she should be.
Thank you. I love bacon
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And hey, when it hits close to home, it's "different", eh?
It shouldn't be. You disrepect the women in your life by disrepecting women in general.
Does your wife know you discriminate against women? If she does, I bet she is ashamed of you. If not, she should be.
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I've worked with all women, and with all men....now its probably 90/10 male/female ratio. I have to say...some guys can be just as bad, or worse than women when it comes to that stuff, but I'd still NEVER willingly take a job in an office with all women every again :noway:
This is why when hiring, I'll look at women as a last resort. I'm a software engineer, and long and short, having women in the office just ****s up the vibe. It's much better to be efficient communicators - transfer the information (good bad or indifferent) and move on - without worrying about anyone's friggin feelings.
FYI - I'm exactly the type of person who will find you and expose you for this bullsh1t. And I'm good at finding people.
Shouldn't be hard now that he posted his phone number in a public forum.
Now if we can get a real number....
I just recognized that one. Slow today.0 -
Women outnumber men in the US and yet there has never been a female President.
Why?
Because women are ultra-critical of other women...
Is this a joke?0 -
I've worked with all women, and with all men....now its probably 90/10 male/female ratio. I have to say...some guys can be just as bad, or worse than women when it comes to that stuff, but I'd still NEVER willingly take a job in an office with all women every again :noway:
This is why when hiring, I'll look at women as a last resort. I'm a software engineer, and long and short, having women in the office just ****s up the vibe. It's much better to be efficient communicators - transfer the information (good bad or indifferent) and move on - without worrying about anyone's friggin feelings.
FYI - I'm exactly the type of person who will find you and expose you for this bullsh1t. And I'm good at finding people.
Shouldn't be hard now that he posted his phone number in a public forum.
Now if we can get a real number....
I just recognized that one. Slow today.
So, Off topic, but what happens when you call this number? I have just heard of it from the youth I work with.0 -
Nevermind. Waste of energy.0
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This.You had me until "this is why I don't have female friends". Bleh :sick:
When I was younger I felt like that about female friends. Then, I grew up. I've had the same girlfriends since childhood. I've made new friends since then when I was in college (in my 30's). My friends are not catty. And I don't think it's fair to characterize all women as such. I've worked in a male-dominant field for years now, and allow me to tell you that the same amount of them do the same thing.
^^^^ this... I agree... character is not based on gender. If you are happy with yourself you will be happy for others and not treat them any less.0 -
I've worked with all women, and with all men....now its probably 90/10 male/female ratio. I have to say...some guys can be just as bad, or worse than women when it comes to that stuff, but I'd still NEVER willingly take a job in an office with all women every again :noway:
This is why when hiring, I'll look at women as a last resort. I'm a software engineer, and long and short, having women in the office just ****s up the vibe. It's much better to be efficient communicators - transfer the information (good bad or indifferent) and move on - without worrying about anyone's friggin feelings.
FYI - I'm exactly the type of person who will find you and expose you for this bullsh1t. And I'm good at finding people.
Shouldn't be hard now that he posted his phone number in a public forum.
Now if we can get a real number....
I just recognized that one. Slow today.
So, Off topic, but what happens when you call this number? I have just heard of it from the youth I work with.
You get a verse of Never Gonna Give You Up, then a smarmy DJ comes on ...0 -
Women outnumber men in the US and yet there has never been a female President.
Why?
Because women are ultra-critical of other women...
Is this a joke?
I was giving the BOD that it was. I sure hope it was. Looking at who posted it, I am 99% sure.0 -
I work in an office that is only women. Today on the lawn they are holding a ceremony to honor fallen officers, so there are a lot of police officers outside getting ready. Most of us are hanging at the window drooling over the eye candy because, well, who doesn't love a man in uniform? Anyways, one of the officer's wife walks up with their son and she is drop dead gorgeous. All of the women start making comments. "Oh, my god! Look at her hair! It has to be bleached." "Her boobs are too big for her body. They are fake." And on and on. I mean they referred to her as being a prostitute and everything else. I'm sitting there thinking that I couldn't imagine being this woman and feeling that kind of venom just for being pretty. I spoke up and said that I bet she's super nice and called them out on it, but they didn't care. This is why I don't have many female friends. Are all women so catty?
OP is a woman. OP is not "catty." OP answered her own question.
Also, internalized misogyny is a very sad thing to see.0 -
I work in an office that is only women. Today on the lawn they are holding a ceremony to honor fallen officers, so there are a lot of police officers outside getting ready. Most of us are hanging at the window drooling over the eye candy because, well, who doesn't love a man in uniform? Anyways, one of the officer's wife walks up with their son and she is drop dead gorgeous. All of the women start making comments. "Oh, my god! Look at her hair! It has to be bleached." "Her boobs are too big for her body. They are fake." And on and on. I mean they referred to her as being a prostitute and everything else. I'm sitting there thinking that I couldn't imagine being this woman and feeling that kind of venom just for being pretty. I spoke up and said that I bet she's super nice and called them out on it, but they didn't care. This is why I don't have many female friends. Are all women so catty?
Maybe it's because I have worked mainly in places with very few, if any, women, but yes, in my experience women are extremely catty about any other woman who is better looking or seems more intelligent than them. In addition to the hormonal influence someone else mentioned, it is probably also due to the fact that in the US (and other places), women are judged primarily on their looks and women, having very little direct power, use subversive passive-aggressive social nastiness to put down anyone they feel is somehow a threat to their position in the pecking order.
Yes, men can be insecure, but I've never seen the degree of cattiness in men that I see all the time in women. Of course it's not all women, but it's absolutely shocking (and disgusting) how common it is.
Hats off to you for standing up for that woman!!0 -
... It's been my experience that women in big cities are less catty than those in suburbs and small towns. Successful ambitious women are less catty than those who are just working to pass the time. Even certain industries seem to have more cattiness than others.
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