olympic events that r NOT a sport
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This is the controversy of judging. They take deductions off of what they "felt you earned" used to be MUCH more often. Have you ever seen Stick It? That movie was honestly out at the perfect time for gymnastics. It showed that judges do just that...judge...and not in the good way but in an arbitrary and discriminative way. The new rules have attempted to eliminate this.
The whole controversy over competitive cheerleading being considered a sport at the collegiate level is more to allow the cheerleaders the same access the NCAA athletes get: athletic trainers, strength trainers, money, things like that.
like I said, the judges and the scoring are getting less subjective when it comes to artistry. but the very nature of the event leaves it open to subjectivity. even with the athletic components. there's really no getting around that.
and, of course, umpires, referees, etc., have an impact on the game. their whole job is to ensure fair play. and they sometimes get it wrong -- which is why sports are bringing in instant replay. to correct human error in key instances. but they don't impact the scoring in the way that judges do. see: the 3-point line remark from earlier.
(and try to tell a cheerleader what she does isn't a sport!)0 -
Just because you can't understand an event that has more than one outcome doesn't mean it's not a sport. It's judged because someone doing a double backflip needs to be compared fairly to someone doing somersaults. There is no single finish line and that's what you have a problem with. But they are sports.0
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I completely disagree....
I don't really believe shooting is a sport (and is currently being competed, and awarding Olympic medals), it does take skill sure, but not physically.... gymnastics, diving and swimming all require physical skill and fitness, and belong in the Olympics.
And I have to disagree with shooting not taking physical skill...try holding a shotgun steady.0 -
cant think of any, has poker made it to the olimpics yet?
My husband would watch the Olympics if it was!0 -
This is the controversy of judging. They take deductions off of what they "felt you earned" used to be MUCH more often. Have you ever seen Stick It? That movie was honestly out at the perfect time for gymnastics. It showed that judges do just that...judge...and not in the good way but in an arbitrary and discriminative way. The new rules have attempted to eliminate this.
The whole controversy over competitive cheerleading being considered a sport at the collegiate level is more to allow the cheerleaders the same access the NCAA athletes get: athletic trainers, strength trainers, money, things like that.
like I said, the judges and the scoring are getting less subjective when it comes to artistry. but the very nature of the event leaves it open to subjectivity. even with the athletic components. there's really no getting around that.
and, of course, umpires, referees, etc., have an impact on the game. their whole job is to ensure fair play. and they sometimes get it wrong -- which is why sports are bringing in instant replay. to correct human error in key instances. but they don't impact the scoring in the way that judges do. see: the 3-point line remark from earlier.
(and try to tell a cheerleader what she does isn't a sport!)
the cheerleading I did in college (DI, as well) was not a sport. some of the girls and guys that do competitive, I could give it to them0 -
Bump...too tired to follow this tonight.0
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This thread is about a dude changing the real definition of a word to his own version and then using that new made-up definition to show that his initial point was right.... tuly the most bizarre thing I have read today. Rather than arguing the merits of this cray cray, lets just make up our own versions... I'll start
Dogs that are not dogs...
me, the hypothetical OP: A rottweiler is not a dog because it is brown and dogs by definition are not brown...
anyone else with a brain: But that is simply not the definition of what a dog is... what about chihouas that are brown?
me: um... yes but they are actually dogs because they also come in other colours...
AEWAB: you're stupid
me: I am yet to see a valid argument...0 -
I think the OP is getting the definitions of the words "Sport" and "Game" mixed up.0
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I just thought I would mention something. There is a criteria for the judging, not just a person saying 'hey that looked nice lets give them ___ many points'. They have to do each thing an exact way to get x amount of points. So it's judging and the rules.0
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This thread is about a dude changing the real definition of a word to his own version and then using that new made-up definition to show that his initial point was right.... tuly the most bizarre thing I have read today.
the OP didn't come off well, but some of that is due to some wild reaction opposite his point of view from the start. fwiw, I've been a sports writer and a sports editor. now am a sports page designer. been in and around athletics all my life. and while he didn't articulate it well from the start, I tend to agree with him.0 -
(and it may have been missed midway through, but just because it is in the Olympics doesn't make is a sport. it is the Olympic Games[i/], and while you've gotta be in shape to do what they do, ballroom dance is in no way a sport.)0
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art and poetry and essay writing used to be in from 1896 to 1948
my favorite former Olympic event is tug-of-war.0 -
As I've said a few times on this thread...if he was educated about what he was arguing and not just stereotyping and prejudicial, yeah...he may have had a point. but he didn't. And no one wants to agree with a crazy-pants who looks like a meat-head (sorry OP). The connotations that were stated around what he said were unnecessary...the caps in the topic title, the comparison to a circus...the half arguments that aren't really as justifiable.
He may have been thinking a bunch of educated reasonings but didn't state it. And after the women's gymanstics team just won the gold medal and many MANY people are still on the high of that, will definately jump onto the offensive. myself included.0 -
e; Meh.
Anyway, I was having a conversation with someone else the other night about something along these lines ... I think we may have been specifically talking about the Olympics, or maybe we were just griping about people in general.
But basically it came down to me saying that anything of a competitive nature can probably be deemed a sport.
Which, of course, doesn't keep me from feeling that bowling isn't a sport, or shooting skeet, or synchronized swimming, or gymnastics, or ...0 -
This thread is about a dude changing the real definition of a word to his own version and then using that new made-up definition to show that his initial point was right.... tuly the most bizarre thing I have read today.
the OP didn't come off well, but some of that is due to some wild reaction opposite his point of view from the start. fwiw, I've been a sports writer and a sports editor. now am a sports page designer. been in and around athletics all my life. and while he didn't articulate it well from the start, I tend to agree with him.
So what is he really trying to say then, because he can't just redefine the meaning of a word and call it fact. Being extrememly kind I could maybe guess he means this: "I do not think these sports should be included in the olympics as I feel that the scoring system is to arbitrary to be fair." Is that it?0 -
art and poetry and essay writing used to be in from 1896 to 1948
my favorite former Olympic event is tug-of-war.
naked wrestling
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Shut up.0
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art and poetry and essay writing used to be in from 1896 to 1948
my favorite former Olympic event is tug-of-war.
Tug-of-war would be friggin' awesome to watch! Tournament style.0 -
I can't believe I'm the only one that noticed (or at least acknowledged) the distinction. If I understand what he's saying, his definition of sport depends on whether the objective is primarily objective or primarily subjective. The winner of a primarily subjective event is determined entirely by the points awarded by a judge(s). The winner of a primarily objective event is determined entirely by the speed/height/number of goals/other-objective-criteria. You can argue that his definition doesn't match the definition you found online, but surely at least someone else can at least understand the distinction he is making without getting all emotionally out of sorts about it.
All of the arguments about the fitness of the competitors, the OP's relative fitness, etc., while entertaining, are not relevant...
And I can't believe I just got pulled into an actual discussion of the merits of this thread. That does it. I'm grounding myself from this thread until I can learn from my mistake.
I can't believe I'm actually replying to this ridiculous thread but here goes...
All of the sports the OP mentioned can very well be considered objectively judged. The judges do not deduct points based on what they feel like. They deduct points based on a very vigorous metric and scoring system. Was that turn a full turn or was it only a 3/4 turn. Did she get the full 2 flips she needed to get to pull off the move she has listed in her program? The judges all get a list of exactly what maneuvers will be attempted in each individual program and each competitor is judged on weather or not they did it. Those, sir, are called objective results. The judges at the olympics are not just sitting up there going "wow, did I like that?" So, once again logic wins the day.
Oh, and just to feed the troll a little more, things like ping pong and skeet shooting would definitely be considered sports by the OP's twisted logic....
The most logical and intelligent point - counterpoint in the thread. I can see what the OP means to say, even if I don't agree.
I think the olympics are less about "sports" and more about being the best of the best in whatever competition, not necessarily a literal sport.0 -
who gives a s***, I mean really, these are people who have been perfecting their art, sport, style, bodies, minds, and talents for most of their lives for this moment to show what they've got. Let it be. I'll never understand why people dabble in such trivial things. If you don't like it, disagree with it, or think its bogus......DONT WATCH IT.....people always want to complain but why, when solutions are so readily avaiilable.0
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Ok, Gymnastics is most definitely a sport. I used to compete on a team back in middle school and it was in no way shape or form easy. Honestly, the only thing i dont think is a sport is ping pong....i guess i just dont get it. Also, dont get me wrong i love shooting, i love guns, but i dont really see shooting as a physical sport0
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I think the olympics are less about sports and being the best of the best, and more about giving corporations an opportunity to make more money.I think the olympics are less about "sports" and more about being the best of the best in whatever competition, not necessarily a literal sport.0 -
art and poetry and essay writing used to be in from 1896 to 1948
my favorite former Olympic event is tug-of-war.
naked wrestling
they used to have rope climbing close out the games, actually. other fun events no longer around are obstacle swimming, live pigeon shooting and a version of croquet. oh, and let's not forget solo synchronized swimming. that was around for three games, into the 90s.0 -
I think the olympics are less about "sports" and more about being the best of the best in whatever competition, not necessarily a literal sport.
I think the olympics are less about sports and being the best of the best, and more about giving corporations an opportunity to make more money.
Yay politics! I knew this thread lacked something.0 -
Oh don't be a douche, it's just an obvious statement.0
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We are also missing the vestal virgins of the ancient games.
Actually there were many different games all grouped under the name of the Panhellenic Games. Each was to honor a different god in a different part of Greece.0 -
Oh don't be a douche, it's just an obvious statement.
Right, and I don't doubt that what you said is a large part of it, but you can't tell me that no one there is in it for the love of the game. Its like pro sports stars, yeah some play for the money but some play because they enjoy it. You can't make a generalizing statement without qualifiers.0 -
the IOC organization is one of the most corrupt, sexist, anti-semetic, racist, ableist, elitist, etc organizations I have ever seen. And that also includes past USOC officials.
The athletes may be in it for the love of the game and to make some money to bring home, but the people at the top, there's a lot of shady business.
But that's neither here nor there and doesn't really have much to do with the whole sport argument.0 -
the IOC organization is one of the most corrupt, sexist, anti-semetic, racist, ableist, elitist, etc organizations I have ever seen. And that also includes past USOC officials.
The athletes may be in it for the love of the game and to make some money to bring home, but the people at the top, there's a lot of shady business.
But that's neither here nor there and doesn't really have much to do with the whole sport argument.
Of course its about the elite, its the olympics. And I agree, it had nothing to do with the thread, halobender brought that up.
Edit: I was specifically talking about the athletes themselves, not corporate whoever the fvck.0
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