Concealing & carrying pistols while running/working out
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And where are you getting these "facts"?
Whoops, my bad. I meant to put the link in at the bottom of the post. I'll edit it to include it, and also put it here. Note that I found other sources, but this site had the cleanest display. Some organization had also done a very nice line graph over the last 50(?) years, but of course I can't find it when I need it.
Link --> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms0 -
Not judging. Just it's illegal in the UK to carry a weapon. We may speak ( sort of) the same language but it's posts like this that make me realise how different our lives can be.
It's just the idea that even "normal" people are literally running around with guns and knives quite happily, makes me wonder how the crazies are.
I rarely even see an armed policeman here, unless for a SUPER high security risk. I live in Central London.
It's just unfathomable.
Above anything else, I see so many people who are terrible drivers despite the fact they drive almost daily and then think they're better than 90% of other drivers. I dread to think how these people would react to being allowed to carry weapons that they wouldn't use as regularly. How often would it be misused? misfired? badly maintained? Badly aimed?
No wonder all the horror films have to upgrade to loonies with chainsaws when knives & guns are every day
You're right. The London Riots last year where way over stated and were just a bunch of angry protesters holding signs in the streets and giving up on afternoon tea in protest. Right?
Looks like London is a peaceful happy place made up of Rainbows and Unicorns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots_in_London
Imagine the London riots plus guns - you think it would have been BETTER?
The idea of normal people going running with guns strapped to them is absolutely mind-boggling and terrifying to me, and reminds me that for all our similarities, the UK and America are very different places.
If I was running in a rough area I might take a rape alarm I guess.
Actually, it might have been a lot better of people thought they might get shot for acting stupid.
Here's the thing, the bad guys here have guns, so it's only smart if the good guys here have guns as well to protect themselves and others.
The idea that you can't own a gun or that your cops don't carry guns blows my mind, so I guess we're even.
As as far as " normal people going running with guns strapped to them is absolutely mind-boggling and terrifying " to be honest, you wouldn't even know 99.9% of the time unless the person carrying told you. That's why we conceal carry. If you see my gun, it's going to be a bad day for someone.
Like I said, very different countries
I love America and visit often, so don't think I'm criticising. Guns are just bloody scary if you haven't grown up around them.
Its different in America specially out in the middle of no where. I live .2 miles from a nature preserve we have mountain lions in the woods right next to where I run, bears occasionally dig thru the gas station trash cans, and a drought going on they are coming out of the woods chasing the deer and what not that are coming closer and closer to humans. Its also a fact of life for me that if i call the cops it may be 15 min or more till they get to me which may be after they finish whatever call they are on adding even more time. So yeah the wild life alone makes it a really good idea to carry if you know how to use said weapon properly and can do so safely.0 -
I couldn't imagine living in a society that is so full of fear. The difference between American's and the rest of the first world is that you expect the worst from people, and everyone else suspects the best.
http://gawker.com/5932846/american-becomes-laughingstock-of-canada-after-letter-to-editor-lamenting-lack-of-handgun-during-mild-confrontation]Case in point - It later came to light that those 'hooligans' were in fact working for the stampede and giving away free tickets.
The US has far and away the most gun holders, and at the same time has the highest murders with firearms in the "developed" world. This would be the opposite trend of what one would expect if guns made you safer.
Looking around at the caliber (no pun intended) of people out there, it scares me to think that in the US some of those people could be legally carrying a firearm.
And where are you getting these "facts"?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms0 -
OMFG!!! That is not a pistol in my shorts, and I am pleased to see you!
Has the world gone mad?? Guns on a fitness site. I just despair!0 -
Would never cross my mind here in the UK to do such a thing, makes me grateful I don't have that concern.0
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Pepper spray, bug spray, hair spray can all stop an aggressive person. But I recommend a gym or local YMCA. Beyond that, carry unconcealed and no one will mess with you.0
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I see some naive people here thinking bad things won’t happen to them.
Statistically speaking, you're naive thinking bad things WILL happen to you... and even more-so to think that a gun will solve anything.0 -
This thread makes me love living in Canada even more than I already did. Yes, we have some areas of cities that have higher crime, but our gun & concealed weapons laws are a lot different, and I doubt many Canadians would be trying to figure out how to run carrying a gun!
Maybe you should find a different area to run instead of worrying about this.0 -
Try a fanny pack, they make some specifically for concealed carrying. SIG Mini .380, comes with me when hiking with dog in area where there are coyotes.0
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I would just move to a differant area that is safer. I own a gun and I can honestly say I have never even thought about having to take it out on my run or walk. I live in a pretty calm area. Maybe you should look into getting a gym membership.0
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im not a runner, but I do bicycle and walk alot! I carry a keltec 32 in my camelbak most of the time, or i use the clip on it near the small of my back and cover with a longer shirt. I do have a conceal carry permit. =-) you should have a camelbak for hydration n e ways =-)0
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Well of course bad things happen to people in Europe and Canada. Bad things happen everywhere, but I have never, ever heard of anyone carrying a weapon whilst they were jogging - that's insane. The cops over here don't even carry guns so why should I if I'm out jogging?Yeah, nothing bad ever happens to people in Europe and Canada. Nothing. Ever.
Well the cops here are carrying guns because of the war that's going on. We will have a lot less violence in America once the government gives peace a chance and stops declaring war on her own people.
Umm what? No that's not the reason cops carry guns.
The more and more I think about it, the more I wish I had a gun. I will probably take a safety class and learn about them before actually purchasing one. We have a few (hubby has a shotgun and an AR15) but I would like one that I can carry in my purse that is mine. I would like to think that I will never need to use it. But I would rather have one and not need it than need it and not have it.
True, there are other reasons. I was using hyperbole to throw a statement regarding my disdain for the drug war. But it is also true that our streets will finally be less violent once prohibition finally ends for good.0 -
Carrying a weapon or using one are both serious topics. Most people who carry anything will either injure themselves or have their weapon turned on them. There are few people who are actually trained to use them.
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I see some naive people here thinking bad things won’t happen to them.
Statistically speaking, you're naive thinking bad things WILL happen to you... and even more-so to think that a gun will solve anything.
Well, since a gun has already saved my life once... I would say I am not naive but I do value your input. I understand people are scared and don't understand weapons. Mostly it's people who have not grown up or are educated with them. Totally understand that! I have some friends that believe the same thing and I do value everyone opinions but I am here today because I knew how to use a weapon. It's a personal choice... a choice our founding fathers deemed important enough to put it right into our constitution.0 -
When I'm running is the ONLY time I'm not carrying. I haven't found a comfortable way to do it. I get really sensitive to anything "extra" on me when I'm running. I don't carry anything except my ipod strapped to my arm and a house key. The smallest gun I own weighs 15 ounces and I have not been able to carry it in a way that it doesn't bother me.
As far as all the other comments:
I find it strange when people are so afraid of guns. I was raised with guns, I've been shooting for 35 years and I've been carrying professionally for 17. To me a gun is no different from a fire extinguisher or a first aid kit. I don't expect my house to catch fire and don't fear it but I choose to be prepared and not rely on others for my personal safety and that of my family. As far as the statment about "most" people injuring themselves or having their weapon turned on them - there are millions of people legally carrying guns every day in this country. Very few of them ever get injured or have anything bad happen to them one way or the other.
I personally train with my guns regularly (and train others). I also carry pepper spray and train in weapon retention. Not because I'm scared of anything but I like to be prepared.0 -
When I'm running is the ONLY time I'm not carrying. I haven't found a comfortable way to do it. I get really sensitive to anything "extra" on me when I'm running. I don't carry anything except my ipod strapped to my arm and a house key. The smallest gun I own weighs 15 ounces and I have not been able to carry it in a way that it doesn't bother me.
As far as all the other comments:
I find it strange when people are so afraid of guns. I was raised with guns, I've been shooting for 35 years and I've been carrying professionally for 17. To me a gun is no different from a fire extinguisher or a first aid kit. I don't expect my house to catch fire and don't fear it but I choose to be prepared and not rely on others for my personal safety and that of my family. As far as the statment about "most" people injuring themselves or having their weapon turned on them - there are millions of people legally carrying guns every day in this country. Very few of them ever get injured or have anything bad happen to them one way or the other.
I personally train with my guns regularly (and train others). I also carry pepper spray and train in weapon retention. Not because I'm scared of anything but I like to be prepared.
You really explained this well and in detail. You put my thoughts on paper.0 -
To me a gun is no different from a fire extinguisher or a first aid kit. I don't expect my house to catch fire and don't fear it but I choose to be prepared and not rely on others for my personal safety and that of my family.
Difference is, fire extinguishers and first aid kits don't tend to kill people.0 -
When I'm running is the ONLY time I'm not carrying. I haven't found a comfortable way to do it. I get really sensitive to anything "extra" on me when I'm running. I don't carry anything except my ipod strapped to my arm and a house key. The smallest gun I own weighs 15 ounces and I have not been able to carry it in a way that it doesn't bother me.
As far as all the other comments:
I find it strange when people are so afraid of guns. I was raised with guns, I've been shooting for 35 years and I've been carrying professionally for 17. To me a gun is no different from a fire extinguisher or a first aid kit. I don't expect my house to catch fire and don't fear it but I choose to be prepared and not rely on others for my personal safety and that of my family. As far as the statment about "most" people injuring themselves or having their weapon turned on them - there are millions of people legally carrying guns every day in this country. Very few of them ever get injured or have anything bad happen to them one way or the other.
I personally train with my guns regularly (and train others). I also carry pepper spray and train in weapon retention. Not because I'm scared of anything but I like to be prepared.
You really explained this well and in detail. You put my thoughts on paper.
Thanks. Guns have saved my life a couple of times - even though I've never had to pull the trigger.0 -
When I'm running is the ONLY time I'm not carrying. I haven't found a comfortable way to do it. I get really sensitive to anything "extra" on me when I'm running. I don't carry anything except my ipod strapped to my arm and a house key. The smallest gun I own weighs 15 ounces and I have not been able to carry it in a way that it doesn't bother me.
As far as all the other comments:
I find it strange when people are so afraid of guns. I was raised with guns, I've been shooting for 35 years and I've been carrying professionally for 17. To me a gun is no different from a fire extinguisher or a first aid kit. I don't expect my house to catch fire and don't fear it but I choose to be prepared and not rely on others for my personal safety and that of my family. As far as the statment about "most" people injuring themselves or having their weapon turned on them - there are millions of people legally carrying guns every day in this country. Very few of them ever get injured or have anything bad happen to them one way or the other.
I personally train with my guns regularly (and train others). I also carry pepper spray and train in weapon retention. Not because I'm scared of anything but I like to be prepared.
You really explained this well and in detail. You put my thoughts on paper.
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To me a gun is no different from a fire extinguisher or a first aid kit. I don't expect my house to catch fire and don't fear it but I choose to be prepared and not rely on others for my personal safety and that of my family.
Difference is, fire extinguishers and first aid kits don't tend to kill people.
You can kill someone with a fire extinguisher. It's pretty easy to kill someone if you want to do it. No gun necessary.0 -
When I leave the safety of my neighborhood, I carry a Tazer.... in my hand.0
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As far as all the other comments:
I find it strange when people are so afraid of guns.
I think you're confusing 'dislike' with 'fear'. To clarify, I 'dislike' spaghetti... I'm not afraid of it.I was raised with guns, I've been shooting for 35 years and I've been carrying professionally for 17. To me a gun is no different from a fire extinguisher or a first aid kit. I don't expect my house to catch fire and don't fear it but I choose to be prepared and not rely on others for my personal safety and that of my family.
Don't even get me started about the amount of fire extinguisher related violence we have up here in Canada. From December to March, we have so many drive-by extinguishing that tourists mistake it for snow. And first aid... don't even get me started on it. Devil worshipers the lot of them.0 -
It scares me that anyone can run around with a weapon in this country.0
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It scares me that anyone can run around with a weapon in this country.
That is a irrational fear, you should consider seeking professional help
Many of you seem to have Hoplophobia0 -
I run with mase. I live in Minnesota as well. FYI to the people from MN that have posted and noted "they don't need it, or I'd move", wild life is moving in/very close to the TC Metro Area. I carry it to protect me from wildlife more than anything.
This makes me happier that I live in the US.0 -
Don't even get me started about the amount of fire extinguisher related violence we have up here in Canada. From December to March, we have so many drive-by extinguishing that tourists mistake it for snow. And first aid... don't even get me started on it. Devil worshipers the lot of them.
I don't draw a distinction. To me they are all tools to be used for my safety and that of my family. A gun is an inanimate object just like a car. It only does what its user makes it do. The main difference, for me, between guns and fire extinguishers is that guns make for a much more fun afternoon than fire extinguishers do - although in my younger days the fire extinguisher wars we had were pretty fun too.0 -
I bring my dog. No one is crazy enough to jump someone with a dog. But I only run in heavily populated areas, never at night, and keep my music pretty low.0
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My friend who is a NYPD was stopped on his bike bc someone spotted the gun.. LOL0
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One of the reasons I workout in the gym where I work!
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To me a gun is no different from a fire extinguisher or a first aid kit. I don't expect my house to catch fire and don't fear it but I choose to be prepared and not rely on others for my personal safety and that of my family.
Difference is, fire extinguishers and first aid kits don't tend to kill people.
You can kill someone with a fire extinguisher. It's pretty easy to kill someone if you want to do it. No gun necessary.
Only if they're standing right in front of you, and you were strong enough and tall enough and quick enough to lift it and swing it at their head before they moved.
Guns are so different to every other weapon. In a second, in the heat of the moment, someone's life is gone forever.0
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