Concealing & carrying pistols while running/working out

So your local police department has failed you? Your local District Attorney's office has failed you? Your local fire department has failed you? Your state police department has failed you? Your state legislators and locally elected officials have failed you? Your states National Guard and our Armed Forces have failed you? What a patriot. What you are saying makes absolutely no sense. Your tax dollars pay police, fire and government salaries, they damn well better protect you. That is their job. Someone better be on the other end if I need to call 911 and an officer should respond. We live in a civilized society, where vigilante justice is not the law of the land and if you understood the constitution then you would respect law and order. We are the UNITED States of America, one nation.

So your local police department has failed you? Your local District Attorney's office has failed you? Your local fire department has failed you? Your state police department has failed you? Your state legislators and locally elected officials have failed you? Your states National Guard and our Armed Forces have failed you? What a patriot. What you are saying makes absolutely no sense. Your tax dollars pay police, fire and government salaries, they damn well better protect you. That is their job. Someone better be on the other end if I need to call 911 and an officer should respond. We live in a civilized society, where vigilante justice is not the law of the land and if you understood the constitution then you would respect law and order. We are the UNITED States of America, one nation.

The top quote seriously made me laugh out loud...

The belief in law enforcement and all of the other stuff is quite amusing.

I fully respect and appreciate law enforcement but working in the security industry... (hmmm now that is interesting an ENTIRE INDUSTRY BASED on a service to fulfill what local law enforcement cannot fulfill)

I just cannot wrap my head around that statement... To think that it is safer and an advantage to not be armed and to rely on a police agency that is any where from 1 minute to 1 hour away from you at any given moment and you think that they are going to protect you and your family. Law Enforcement is not there to be your personal body guard and when people have that expectation it is quite disturbing. It is a very victim based mentality that believes that they will be there to protect you.

I am sure when I was stabbed as a child a cop was there to stop the guy that did it to me, yep he was right there I was not walking back holding my wound as blood was seeping out crying looking for my house... nope a cop swooped in and stopped the bad guy and arrested him ! Nope, you have to call 911 first and usually it takes a while...

If you are intelligent of the use of a concealed firearm then it is a highly effective tool. I have used it several times to avoid bodily injury to myself or others, the mere presence of it de-escalated it....

But you know personal accounts are meaningless... They are just facts.

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-4-most-meaningless-arguments-against-gun-control/

So your local police department has failed you? Your local District Attorney's office has failed you? Your local fire department has failed you? Your state police department has failed you? Your state legislators and locally elected officials have failed you? Your states National Guard and our Armed Forces have failed you? What a patriot. What you are saying makes absolutely no sense. Your tax dollars pay police, fire and government salaries, they damn well better protect you. That is their job. Someone better be on the other end if I need to call 911 and an officer should respond. We live in a civilized society, where vigilante justice is not the law of the land and if you understood the constitution then you would respect law and order. We are the UNITED States of America, one nation.

The top quote seriously made me laugh out loud...

The belief in law enforcement and all of the other stuff is quite amusing.

I fully respect and appreciate law enforcement but working in the security industry... (hmmm now that is interesting an ENTIRE INDUSTRY BASED on a service to fulfill what local law enforcement cannot fulfill)

I just cannot wrap my head around that statement... To think that it is safer and an advantage to not be armed and to rely on a police agency that is any where from 1 minute to 1 hour away from you at any given moment and you think that they are going to protect you and your family. Law Enforcement is not there to be your personal body guard and when people have that expectation it is quite disturbing. It is a very victim based mentality that believes that they will be there to protect you.

I am sure when I was stabbed as a child a cop was there to stop the guy that did it to me, yep he was right there I was not walking back holding my wound as blood was seeping out crying looking for my house... nope a cop swooped in and stopped the bad guy and arrested him ! Nope, you have to call 911 first and usually it takes a while...

If you are intelligent of the use of a concealed firearm then it is a highly effective tool. I have used it several times to avoid bodily injury to myself or others, the mere presence of it de-escalated it....

But you know personal accounts are meaningless... They are just facts.

Considering this was in response to someone who said the government always fails and they are self-sufficient and don't need to rely on them for anything, I am surprised at how many posters have so little faith in the people who risk their lives to protect you. Just as there are stories of people who have scared away an attacker or intruder with their weapon, there are more stories of law enforcement and firefighters saving lives. I have never spoke against someone wanting a gun in their home to protect their family. That is their right, but to think you having a gun suddenly negates the needs for law enforcement is absurd. If that is the case, let's just save all the tax dollars we spend on training and employing cops, firefighters, first responders and courts and give every American gun and let them fend for themselves.

You are twisting what I said and misquoting me.

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So your local police department has failed you? Your local District Attorney's office has failed you? Your local fire department has failed you? Your state police department has failed you? Your state legislators and locally elected officials have failed you? Your states National Guard and our Armed Forces have failed you? What a patriot. What you are saying makes absolutely no sense. Your tax dollars pay police, fire and government salaries, they damn well better protect you. That is their job. Someone better be on the other end if I need to call 911 and an officer should respond. We live in a civilized society, where vigilante justice is not the law of the land and if you understood the constitution then you would respect law and order. We are the UNITED States of America, one nation.

The top quote seriously made me laugh out loud...

The belief in law enforcement and all of the other stuff is quite amusing.

I fully respect and appreciate law enforcement but working in the security industry... (hmmm now that is interesting an ENTIRE INDUSTRY BASED on a service to fulfill what local law enforcement cannot fulfill)

I just cannot wrap my head around that statement... To think that it is safer and an advantage to not be armed and to rely on a police agency that is any where from 1 minute to 1 hour away from you at any given moment and you think that they are going to protect you and your family. Law Enforcement is not there to be your personal body guard and when people have that expectation it is quite disturbing. It is a very victim based mentality that believes that they will be there to protect you.

I am sure when I was stabbed as a child a cop was there to stop the guy that did it to me, yep he was right there I was not walking back holding my wound as blood was seeping out crying looking for my house... nope a cop swooped in and stopped the bad guy and arrested him ! Nope, you have to call 911 first and usually it takes a while...

If you are intelligent of the use of a concealed firearm then it is a highly effective tool. I have used it several times to avoid bodily injury to myself or others, the mere presence of it de-escalated it....

But you know personal accounts are meaningless... They are just facts.

Considering this was in response to someone who said the government always fails and they are self-sufficient and don't need to rely on them for anything, I am surprised at how many posters have so little faith in the people who risk their lives to protect you. Just as there are stories of people who have scared away an attacker or intruder with their weapon, there are more stories of law enforcement and firefighters saving lives. I have never spoke against someone wanting a gun in their home to protect their family. That is their right, but to think you having a gun suddenly negates the needs for law enforcement is absurd. If that is the case, let's just save all the tax dollars we spend on training and employing cops, firefighters, first responders and courts and give every American gun and let them fend for themselves.

You obviously missed the part about how I respect law enforcement and its necessity.

The fact is Law Enforcement is LAW ENFORCEMENT they are not an entity designed to protect you from a criminal in the act of committing a crime. Their job is to attempt to enforce laws, to be a lawful presence in a community, to apprehend those that commit crimes and to deter illegal activity in general. The idea that a Cop is a cop to personally protect you, your family, your street corner is completely and absolutely absurd. The majority of policing is after the fact, its a "crime has been committed now they begin their job". It does you no good if you are already the victim of the crime... maimed or worse a family member killed...

The real reason we don't have socialized healthcare here in America, is because it's too expensive to patch up all those bullet holes from the legal guns.

I hope this statement was sarcasm or an attempt at humor, because otherwise it is simply ridiculous.

Police Officers are a reactionary force. They do not follow everyone around making sure nothing bad happens to you. They intervene only after a crime has occurred. That's a little too late in my book. If an assailant wants my wallet, my car, my iPod...take them. I'll take my chances in court in that scenario. If an assailant comes after me or my family physically, all bets are off and said assailant is going to have a very bad day.

Eventually your government will fail as ALL governments have in history. Who will protect you then? Do you think those gunless bobbies will give two hoots about weather or not you are protected when **** falls apart? Keep telling yourself that you have no need and you will be safe. You live in a dream land of false safety....As for me and my family well we will be protected.

Eh... When "**** falls apart"? What exactly do you think is going to happen? Aliens? Zombie attacks?

I'm confused??

Hmmm how bout this? Our world economy is crumbling Do you think the government is going to protect you from the rioting masses of the unprepared.

I find it amusing on how you take his words and twist them to fit your post. Also I have never heard of a story in my state where a person ever got into trouble by shooting someone who was attacking or robbing them regardless of where they were the the shooting occurred. If you are in danger of losing your life then you are in the right. . Look up Castle Law/Retreat Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine) Where I live it takes the police 30 minutes to respond to a call. The main reason I now own a gun and carry one most places is I got tired of fighting/getting threatened by my crazy ex and all her meth head tweaker friends.

This is America and I find it crazy that you ***** and moan about a citizen, who by all intensive purposes for this argument, is legally exercising he second amendment rights.

Now you are twisting my words, because I never spoke against anyone owning a weapon. I did say you have right to protect your home and own a weapon to do so. I am not comfortable with concealed and open carry, because of the variation in training from state. I find a mandatory class of a few hours insufficient. There are some gun owners who carry who are well trained and truly don't want to have to use their weapon, but then there are the wingnuts and I don't believe there are adequate barriers to restrict those wingnuts from carrying a weapon. That is my personal preference.

But back to your comments, the original post said that he don't need the government, that metropolitan areas only need them because we can't do for ourselves. He also said you are self-sufficient and that governments failed. Now, I don't see how any American' is not offended by those remarks. I still have not gotten an example of when America, from the local, state to federal level has failed him.

Now you say police are 30 minutes away. So does that also mean that if you have a medical emergency or fire that you have to wait 30 minutes for help as well. Well that is not America failing you, that is you failing your family, believing that intruders are the only thing you need to protect them from. Your family is more likely to experience a fire or medical emergency than a break-in. A gun will help you with an intruder, but how do you protect your family from danger, you call for help.

I have worked with law enforcement, first responders and armed forces and see the hard work and sacrifices they make to make America better. It's too bad you have so little faith in them. As a journalist I have interviewed families who's loved ones were killed or severely injured in action and I have covered those who have rescued lives, prevented and intervened in crimes and gone above the call of duty. Funny thing is there are way more stories like this, then of homeowners saving their families from bad guys. Yes this does happen and yes you have a duty to protect your family, but no you are not the law and protecting yourself and your family does not negate the need for law enforcement, first responders, firefighters and the courts.

Speaking of courts. I don't know what state you live in, but unless you are in a stand your ground state you have the duty to retreat. I have worked in Texas where damn near everybody has a gun. I covered two murder trials, that's right murder where the accused shot someone in self-defense, but the person was retreating. In one case, a father shot his daughter's abusive boyfriend, but he shot in the back as was leaving and already off the man's property. The two definitely had been fighting, but the boyfriend was no longer considered a threat once he retreated. Another case a college student woke up to two armed men in his room. He was a football player and managed to fight and get the gun from one of the guys. The guys ran, once the left his room, they were no longer considered on his property. He shot one of them in the leg, the guy died from the bleed. The college student was tried and convicted of murder. In New York, which has some of the strictest gun laws, a group of white teens showed to a black teens house on Long Island. The teens had been bullying the boy and his father came out with a gun to tell them to go home, but one of the teens got into a physical fight with the father. the father shot and killed the teen, he was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, btw it happened in his driveway.

So shooting and killing someone who you feel is a threat is not so black and white. Regardless of the state the police, courts and jury have to believe that the threat was legitimate and even though some of these cases the threat seemed very legitimate to the average person, it may not play out that way in court. I would never say don't protect your family. I would never say don't have a gun in your home to protect your family. But even with a gun, I wouldn't be naive enough to assume that I am a one man army either.