Another Thought About Milk
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Hmm, don't dogs and cats drink others milk?
When chimps and apes take in strays do they feed them?
only because WE give it to them because WE deem it ok.
(and yes, in extreme circumstances when the babies have no mother, some animals have been known to breastfeed from other species, but again, this isn't a testament to the fact that they SHOULD, just a testament to the evolutionary process where life will find a way whether its "meant" to or not)
The "natural" arguments, of which this is one, are logically fallacious. There is no food at all that is specifically designed to be eaten by adult humans. I don't, for example, ever remember seeing a Shakeology tree.
really? pathetic.
and no, of course foods aren't designed to be eaten by us, WE'RE designed to eat certain foods - dairy is not among these foods.
I'm sure our thumb placement is designed the way it is so that we can milk animals (among other things), so my belief is that we're designed to eat and drink dairy.0 -
http://theprimalparent.com/2012/05/16/additives-almond-milk-how-to-make/
Almond Milk looks worse and worse the more I look at it.. that extra calcium is CHALK!
Calcium Carbonate – This is a non organic, non-living mineral source of calcium and, most of the time, it is just plain chalk! That’s right- you are consuming chalk – the same stuff you use to write on a blackboard. Good luck with that!
Vitamin A Palmitate – This is a synthetic version of vitamin A that is associated with birth defects and bone fractures while providing zero health benefits. Other side effects of this isolated chemical form of vitamin A include tumor enhancement, joint disorders, osteoporosis, extreme dryness of eyes, mouth and skin, enlargement of liver and spleen, and immune suppression. As an added note, vitamin A toxicity, known as hyper-vitaminosis, always results from consuming too much synthetic “purified” vitamin A and never from naturally occurring vitamin A found from natural food sources. Still haven’t thrown out your store-bought “almond milk?”
Vitamin D2 – This synthetic chemical needs to be avoided at all costs as toxicity occurs easily with ingested synthetic D2. This occurs especially in children. In fact, a single dose of synthetic vitamin D of 50mg or greater is toxic for adults. The immediate effect of toxicity is abdominal cramps, nausea, and vomiting. In time, as toxicity builds, the result is a buildup of irreversible deposits of calcium crystals in the soft tissues of the body that damage the heart, lung and kidneys.*0 -
My kitten is 6 months old and still dries to drink milk from the source.... The source being my DOG.
Oh noooo!!! LOL!!! What does your dog do?0 -
http://theprimalparent.com/2012/05/16/additives-almond-milk-how-to-make/
Almond Milk looks worse and worse the more I look at it.. that extra calcium is CHALK!
Calcium Carbonate – This is a non organic, non-living mineral source of calcium and, most of the time, it is just plain chalk! That’s right- you are consuming chalk – the same stuff you use to write on a blackboard. Good luck with that!
Vitamin A Palmitate – This is a synthetic version of vitamin A that is associated with birth defects and bone fractures while providing zero health benefits. Other side effects of this isolated chemical form of vitamin A include tumor enhancement, joint disorders, osteoporosis, extreme dryness of eyes, mouth and skin, enlargement of liver and spleen, and immune suppression. As an added note, vitamin A toxicity, known as hyper-vitaminosis, always results from consuming too much synthetic “purified” vitamin A and never from naturally occurring vitamin A found from natural food sources. Still haven’t thrown out your store-bought “almond milk?”
Vitamin D2 – This synthetic chemical needs to be avoided at all costs as toxicity occurs easily with ingested synthetic D2. This occurs especially in children. In fact, a single dose of synthetic vitamin D of 50mg or greater is toxic for adults. The immediate effect of toxicity is abdominal cramps, nausea, and vomiting. In time, as toxicity builds, the result is a buildup of irreversible deposits of calcium crystals in the soft tissues of the body that damage the heart, lung and kidneys.*
legit, and I'm going to look into it
however, if you think your milk hasn't been artificially enhanced as well, then... you're wrong.0 -
Always cracks me up when people talk about what humans are 'designed' to do, like there was a team of engineers sitting around putting together the functions of the human body, we have evolved and adapted to become the species that we are and as such there will be variances between individuals, some people thrive on a diet that includes dairy, others don't. Everyone needs to work out the diet that their body functions best on.0
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Even if you're not lactose intolerant, milk often makes people phlegmy. Phlegm is the bodies natural response to something toxic entering its system.
Milk and other high-fat foods thicken the body's normally produced mucus, making people feel more congested and 'phlegmy'. But phlegm is a pathalogical alteration (disease-state) of the normal mucus response (related to infection, normally. Not toxicity). Dairy products, which thicken mucus, mimic this disease state but the cause is not the same. Like taking a hot shower will make you hot, but it's not the same as having a fever.
alsoWE'RE designed to eat certain foods - dairy is not among these foods.
Not true. Humans are fantastically successful because they are generalist omnivores - we eat everything. Including dairy. And if you want to get into a 'designed' debate, there is excellent evidence (referred to above), that natural selection has promoted the adult persistence of the expression of the gene that encodes the enzyme lactase, allowing humans to cleave milk sugar into usable glucose.0 -
Almond milk also has Carrageenan, which I try to stay away from.
Dr. Blaylock says about carrageenan (Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life; pg. 196):
"Carrageenan is a rather new additive. It is a complex polysaccharide extract made from seaweed, and is used as a binding agent. Experimentally, carrageenan is used as an agent to induce intense inflammation in experimental animals. A recent study found that when carrageenan was injected in animals along with a cancer-causing chemical, tumors appeared more rapidly and in significantly higher numbers than in control animals injected with carcinogen alone. The same was seen when human breast cancers were implanted in animals along with carrageenan: the combination made the tumores grow faster and spread more widely than in control animals. As a result, carrageenan is classified as a tumor promotor.
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Also - there are quite a few people allergic to almonds. I know that nuts - such as almonds - trigger my migraines so I tend to stay away from them anyways.
so drink something else
Like bovine milk?
if you like.
Okay....so....your question as to why drink cow milk has been answered.
what's nutritious about milk? you'll say calcium - you can get 50% more calcium from Almond Milk.
so then what other reason is there to drink it?0 -
She just lays there and takes it. Even licks the kittens head a few times. I think she wants to be a mum LOLMy kitten is 6 months old and still dries to drink milk from the source.... The source being my DOG.
Oh noooo!!! LOL!!! What does your dog do?0 -
The average life expectancy in a white male (guessing obviously) is 80 years, so... I'd say it likely had nothing to do with drinking milk.
Interesting. He also ate eggs, drank diet soda, enjoyed beer and smoked and people crucify these things because they're "bad for you." Yet, our life expectancy is the highest ever.
Probably helps that we're not outrunning Sabers and Mammoths anymore as well
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I'm gonna say it because I wanna say it.
Who gives a care as to why we drink milk! I drank milk all the dam time when I was younger and to this day, STILL drink it. (however, in something like coffee and ice cream.)
Though, if you really want me to drink almond milk I am going to laugh at you. Bla.
Yet, when I have cereal what in the world am i going to wet with it? O_o Water?
Umm No. Say what you believe. You're not going to change my mind. I need my yogurt in the morning.
OMG I AM EATING A LIVE ANIMAL BECAUSE OF IT! Someone alert the government!
-_-; No matter how you dress it up. Everything is bad for you if you don't use it in moderation. That's what I have to say on the subject of milk.
Matter of fact, my mother can go through a gallon of milk in no time flat. Me?
It goes bad..0 -
Now I just want a glass of milk.0
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I know there's another "milk" thread going on but my question is different....
A friend sent this to me earlier, wanted to see what you all thought:
"Milk is for baby cows. Period. We're the only species to drink the milk from another species, and we're also the only species who continues to drink milk after infancy. "
Thoughts?
(PS - Cow/Heffer gifs welcome..... I'm not easily offended!!!)
We're also the "only species" to drive cars or hold wedding ceremonies! Should we stop doing these things simply because we're the only species that does them? Of course not!
The Bible talks about the drinking of milk in a favorable light...that's good enough for me!0 -
The notion that milk is good for all of us throughout life has been fostered by the dairy industry. Except for people of northern European origin, most adults worldwide can't digest lactose, the natural sugar in milk. This is because as we mature, our bodies stop making the enzyme that breaks it down. As a result, many may develop gas, cramps and/or diarrhea whenever milk is consumed.
But lactose intolerance isn't the only problem with milk and milk products. The milk protein, casein, can irritate the immune system and stimulate mucus production, worsening allergy symptoms. This is why milk consumption is associated with recurrent childhood ear infections, eczema, chronic bronchitis, asthma, and sinus conditions. Even those who are not allergic to milk, like people who have autoimmune diseases or digestive problems, may find that their symptoms improve when they eliminate milk and milk products.
if you want to drink it, that's your prerogative and go for it - just do the research as well. 0 -
Depends where you get it from. I've been to the farms around here that produce milk. If I wasn't happy with the way the cows were treated and the laws governing what can/can't be in milk (and those laws are pretty strict here), I wouldn't buy it.however, if you think your milk hasn't been artificially enhanced as well, then... you're wrong.0 -
Another interesting factoid about calcium carbonate. Women who are pregnant sometimes crave non-food items, and chalk is among the top non-food items craved. The common recommendation by doctors for this is to tell their patients to drink cow's milk.
Regardless, if there is a food source that gives me 50% of my calcium, 8.7 grams of protein, and over 500mg of potassium in an 8 ounce, 90 calorie serving, then I am going to consume it. All dairy, in fact. Yogurt, cheese, etc. It's hard to think of a food source with a denser nutrition to calorie ratio than dairy (greek yogurt in particular).
You can't make good cheese or yogurt with almonds.0 -
She just lays there and takes it. Even licks the kittens head a few times. I think she wants to be a mum LOLMy kitten is 6 months old and still dries to drink milk from the source.... The source being my DOG.
Oh noooo!!! LOL!!! What does your dog do?
Aww. Ok that's just cute. 0 -
Depends where you get it from. I've been to the farms around here that produce milk. If I wasn't happy with the way the cows were treated and the laws governing what can/can't be in milk (and those laws are pretty strict here), I wouldn't buy it.however, if you think your milk hasn't been artificially enhanced as well, then... you're wrong.
You say the laws are "pretty strict here" but we can't see where you're from... mind sharing?0 -
The average life expectancy in a white male (guessing obviously) is 80 years, so... I'd say it likely had nothing to do with drinking milk.
Interesting. He also ate eggs, drank diet soda, enjoyed beer and smoked and people crucify these things because they're "bad for you." Yet, our life expectancy is the highest ever.
Probably helps that we're not outrunning Sabers and Mammoths anymore as well
Even in the last 200 years.
I think a glass or two of milk a day can not be any different then walking down the street in a factory city.0 -
Oh, wow. I feel like I started a thing.
I grew up drinking 2% milk most of my life. At some point (probably about 21 or so) I heard someone say that after you weren't a baby anymore, you really didn't require milk, and so it might be "best" to drink nonfat, if not something else entirely. After that, I started drinking nonfat. I don't think I'm opposed to 2% or Whole...I can see why certain people would want to use it instead of nonfat.0 -
Depends where you get it from. I've been to the farms around here that produce milk. If I wasn't happy with the way the cows were treated and the laws governing what can/can't be in milk (and those laws are pretty strict here), I wouldn't buy it.however, if you think your milk hasn't been artificially enhanced as well, then... you're wrong.
You say the laws are "pretty strict here" but we can't see where you're from... mind sharing?
My bad. I'm in Canada. No antibiotics, no growth hormones allowed with incredibly heavy penalties if it's found in a tank.0 -
Depends where you get it from. I've been to the farms around here that produce milk. If I wasn't happy with the way the cows were treated and the laws governing what can/can't be in milk (and those laws are pretty strict here), I wouldn't buy it.however, if you think your milk hasn't been artificially enhanced as well, then... you're wrong.
You say the laws are "pretty strict here" but we can't see where you're from... mind sharing?
My bad. I'm in Canada. No antibiotics, no growth hormones allowed with incredibly heavy penalties if it's found in a tank.
I wish I lived in Canada... haha America sucks on things like that0 -
Another interesting factoid about calcium carbonate. Women who are pregnant sometimes crave non-food items, and chalk is among the top non-food items craved. The common recommendation by doctors for this is to tell their patients to drink cow's milk.
Regardless, if there is a food source that gives me 50% of my calcium, 8.7 grams of protein, and over 500mg of potassium in an 8 ounce, 90 calorie serving, then I am going to consume it. All dairy, in fact. Yogurt, cheese, etc. It's hard to think of a food source with a denser nutrition to calorie ratio than dairy (greek yogurt in particular).
You can't make good cheese or yogurt with almonds.
The non-food part is SO true. A buddy of mine who was in the army, kept complaining how his wife kept him up at night complaining that she wanted to eat brick! WEIRD!0 -
^so funny!0 -
and no, of course foods aren't designed to be eaten by us, WE'RE designed to eat certain foods - dairy is not among these foods.
According to whom0 -
I know there's another "milk" thread going on but my question is different....
A friend sent this to me earlier, wanted to see what you all thought:
"Milk is for baby cows. Period. We're the only species to drink the milk from another species, and we're also the only species who continues to drink milk after infancy. "
Thoughts?
(PS - Cow/Heffer gifs welcome..... I'm not easily offended!!!)
Since that is said and ridiculed in almost every thread about milk, I fail to see how your thread is original. Milk is for baby cows in the same way eggs are for chicken embryos, nuts, seeds and grains are to nourish seedling plants. Few foods evolved for humans to eat them, they all have another function entirely.
If you wish to give up dairy you can get all the calcium you need from other wholefoods, just be prepared to regiment your diet. Personally I don't fancy 400g of almonds of 750g of spinach every day. Most people who don't eat dairy cheat by eating foods that are far less natural than dairy, there is nothing nutritious about almond milk, it has to be fortified in a factory or laboratory to be of any use at all. Alpro brand contains "Water, SUGAR, Almond (2%) ,Tri-Calcium Phosphate, SEA SALT, Stabilisers (Locust Bean Gum, Gellan Gum) ,Emulsifier (Sunflower Lecithin) ,Vitamin (Riboflavin (B2), B12, E, D2)".0 -
I don't discriminate against any of the common milks, on any given day you might find cow's milk, soy milk, almond milk or cocounut milk in my food diary.
Let's look at it this way. We are absolutely meant to be weaned from mother's milk. However cow's milk does have nutrients we need that we may not get from other foods so why not drink it? We weren't meant to eat chemicals either, but we all do 0 -
Maybe other animals aren't smart enough to advantage of nutritious milk from other sources.
What about milk is actually nutritious?0 -
and no, of course foods aren't designed to be eaten by us, WE'RE designed to eat certain foods - dairy is not among these foods.
According to whom
throughout the evolutionary process, our bodies developed the ability to break down certain things, and not others. Adult humans don't even have the proper enzymes to properly digest lactose. That ALONE is evidence that evolutionarily speaking, we're not meant to drink it.
But beyond that - a guy in a cave 10,000 years ago. Tell me how he gets his dairy fix?
I know - you'll say we've evolved since then - but then why don't we have the right enzymes!?0 -
Because cheese. End of story.0
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Oh, wow. I feel like I started a thing.
I grew up drinking 2% milk most of my life. At some point (probably about 21 or so) I heard someone say that after you weren't a baby anymore, you really didn't require milk, and so it might be "best" to drink nonfat, if not something else entirely. After that, I started drinking nonfat. I don't think I'm opposed to 2% or Whole...I can see why certain people would want to use it instead of nonfat.
Don't worry about it, there's usually a "thing" going on regarding milk in this forum. :flowerforyou:0
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