Another Thought About Milk

Ok here's my two uneducated cents... soy milk is bad if you have thyroid issues and is also not always the best choice for men... almond milk could be bad if processed improperly. Improperly processed almonds contain a naturally occurring form of cyanide, not something I would like to drink. It's also bad if you have a nut allergy, and if you are against processed foods... it's a processed product, last I checked almonds do not have a lot of liquid hanging around. Rice milk..I think it taste bad (I recognize that that is a personal thing :-))and there's not a whole lot there nutritionally. However it might be the only thing you can tolerate. Cows milk... could have hormones, could have antibiotics, could be delicious, it is high in protein but bad if you have an allergy or intolerance, goats milk is also high in protein and easy to digest, but taste is an issue for some... I could go on. My point is that we each have a brain and we should use it... we each have a body and we should listen to it. Diet is not a one size fits all prospect. Weigh your choices and let others do the same. Personally I drink goats milk, but eat Greek yogurt, sour cream... and yes ice cream. That's my choice and what makes me feel good.
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This is the best answer yet. I have thyroid problems, so soymilk is not so great for me. I am also allergic to nuts so almond milk is not so great for me. I am also allergic to cows milk, so that's out. I don't love or hate rice milk. I think goat's milk is delicious and hasn't seemed to have any negative side effects for me. But there are those who would argue that I should not drink goat's milk because humans are not "made to drink goat's milk" and all that jazz. Ima just do for me and youz guys should just do for you.

The average life expectancy in a white male (guessing obviously) is 80 years, so... I'd say it likely had nothing to do with drinking milk.

Interesting. He also ate eggs, drank diet soda, enjoyed beer and smoked and people crucify these things because they're "bad for you." Yet, our life expectancy is the highest ever.

Life expectancy is rising because we as humans are no longer toiling sun up to sun down, doing hard labor (in general). Taking it easier reduces the strain on our bodies, therefore adding to the natural life expectancy.

disagree entirely. I'm going to preface this with: this is not meant to be a racist statement - but Hispanics actually have the highest life expectancy in the United States. They also (on the whole - again - not being stereotypical, just a fact) tend to work more hours in more manual labor-type jobs on average than other demographics.

I'd argue that toiling sun up to sun down actually helps you live longer. More exercise, more calorie burn, etc.

Actually the next generation of American born will be the first time that life expectancy goes the other way, apparently, and with the state of their health, that would be a given, I would think. I believe American health has gone from the single digit to somewhere in the 40's when compared to other countries.......it's disintegrating basically.

totally. we pay the most $$ on health care and live shorter lives than 27 other countries.

something's gotta give.

Vilifying food groups or singular macros, pick one it doesn't matter, is one of the things that has to stop. The alternatives for those foods have created a multibillion dollar diet industry and this thread is the prefect example of that.

why is that industry worse than the dairy industry that has no regard for public health or environmental protection - just profits?

Because the diet industry regularly produces products that are of lower nutritional value. Compare milk, for example, against almond milk as was done above. The almond milk is synthetic and doesn't really compare favorably to real milk.

The average life expectancy in a white male (guessing obviously) is 80 years, so... I'd say it likely had nothing to do with drinking milk.

Interesting. He also ate eggs, drank diet soda, enjoyed beer and smoked and people crucify these things because they're "bad for you." Yet, our life expectancy is the highest ever.

Life expectancy is rising because we as humans are no longer toiling sun up to sun down, doing hard labor (in general). Taking it easier reduces the strain on our bodies, therefore adding to the natural life expectancy.

disagree entirely. I'm going to preface this with: this is not meant to be a racist statement - but Hispanics actually have the highest life expectancy in the United States. They also (on the whole - again - not being stereotypical, just a fact) tend to work more hours in more manual labor-type jobs on average than other demographics.

I'd argue that toiling sun up to sun down actually helps you live longer. More exercise, more calorie burn, etc.

Actually the next generation of American born will be the first time that life expectancy goes the other way, apparently, and with the state of their health, that would be a given, I would think. I believe American health has gone from the single digit to somewhere in the 40's when compared to other countries.......it's disintegrating basically.

totally. we pay the most $$ on health care and live shorter lives than 27 other countries.

something's gotta give.

Vilifying food groups or singular macros, pick one it doesn't matter, is one of the things that has to stop. The alternatives for those foods have created a multibillion dollar diet industry and this thread is the prefect example of that.

why is that industry worse than the dairy industry that has no regard for public health or environmental protection - just profits?

Because the diet industry regularly produces products that are of lower nutritional value. Compare milk, for example, against almond milk as was done above. The almond milk is synthetic and doesn't really compare favorably to real milk.

this is true - if you buy things that scream "healthy" on the label... they're generally not.

I wouldn't say they're worse, though... just part of the same broken system.

The average life expectancy in a white male (guessing obviously) is 80 years, so... I'd say it likely had nothing to do with drinking milk.

Interesting. He also ate eggs, drank diet soda, enjoyed beer and smoked and people crucify these things because they're "bad for you." Yet, our life expectancy is the highest ever.

Life expectancy is rising because we as humans are no longer toiling sun up to sun down, doing hard labor (in general). Taking it easier reduces the strain on our bodies, therefore adding to the natural life expectancy.

disagree entirely. I'm going to preface this with: this is not meant to be a racist statement - but Hispanics actually have the highest life expectancy in the United States. They also (on the whole - again - not being stereotypical, just a fact) tend to work more hours in more manual labor-type jobs on average than other demographics.

I'd argue that toiling sun up to sun down actually helps you live longer. More exercise, more calorie burn, etc.

Actually the next generation of American born will be the first time that life expectancy goes the other way, apparently, and with the state of their health, that would be a given, I would think. I believe American health has gone from the single digit to somewhere in the 40's when compared to other countries.......it's disintegrating basically.

totally. we pay the most $$ on health care and live shorter lives than 27 other countries.

something's gotta give.

Vilifying food groups or singular macros, pick one it doesn't matter, is one of the things that has to stop. The alternatives for those foods have created a multibillion dollar diet industry and this thread is the prefect example of that.

why is that industry worse than the dairy industry that has no regard for public health or environmental protection - just profits?

Because the diet industry regularly produces products that are of lower nutritional value. Compare milk, for example, against almond milk as was done above. The almond milk is synthetic and doesn't really compare favorably to real milk.

this is true - if you buy things that scream "healthy" on the label... they're generally not.

I wouldn't say they're worse, though... just part of the same broken system.

What system is broken? The world wide scientific community? Don't you think you may be out of your expertise here?

The average life expectancy in a white male (guessing obviously) is 80 years, so... I'd say it likely had nothing to do with drinking milk.

Interesting. He also ate eggs, drank diet soda, enjoyed beer and smoked and people crucify these things because they're "bad for you." Yet, our life expectancy is the highest ever.

Life expectancy is rising because we as humans are no longer toiling sun up to sun down, doing hard labor (in general). Taking it easier reduces the strain on our bodies, therefore adding to the natural life expectancy.

disagree entirely. I'm going to preface this with: this is not meant to be a racist statement - but Hispanics actually have the highest life expectancy in the United States. They also (on the whole - again - not being stereotypical, just a fact) tend to work more hours in more manual labor-type jobs on average than other demographics.

I'd argue that toiling sun up to sun down actually helps you live longer. More exercise, more calorie burn, etc.

Actually the next generation of American born will be the first time that life expectancy goes the other way, apparently, and with the state of their health, that would be a given, I would think. I believe American health has gone from the single digit to somewhere in the 40's when compared to other countries.......it's disintegrating basically.

totally. we pay the most $$ on health care and live shorter lives than 27 other countries.

something's gotta give.

Vilifying food groups or singular macros, pick one it doesn't matter, is one of the things that has to stop. The alternatives for those foods have created a multibillion dollar diet industry and this thread is the prefect example of that.

why is that industry worse than the dairy industry that has no regard for public health or environmental protection - just profits?

Because the diet industry regularly produces products that are of lower nutritional value. Compare milk, for example, against almond milk as was done above. The almond milk is synthetic and doesn't really compare favorably to real milk.

this is true - if you buy things that scream "healthy" on the label... they're generally not.

I wouldn't say they're worse, though... just part of the same broken system.

What system is broken? The world wide scientific community? Don't you think you may be out of your expertise here?

no no no, just the American food system that needs to mass produce for 300 million people. to do that, they create more greenhouse gasses than the entire American transportation system, ranking themselves 2nd in factors that contribute to global warming, and the subsidies from the government keep unhealthy foods cheaper than healthy foods. If you don't think the nutritional system in America has huge gaping flaws, you haven't really looked into it much.

Now I will say that there aren't many good ways to fix the system short of simply eating less meat and drinking less dairy, which I know will never happen, but by eating these things in the tremendous quantities we do, we're not only taxing the healthcare system in this country, but we're also destroying the environment at the same time. It's pretty crazy.

EDIT: also the fact that profits are more important than peoples' health. that's part of the broken-ness.

The average life expectancy in a white male (guessing obviously) is 80 years, so... I'd say it likely had nothing to do with drinking milk.

Interesting. He also ate eggs, drank diet soda, enjoyed beer and smoked and people crucify these things because they're "bad for you." Yet, our life expectancy is the highest ever.

Life expectancy is rising because we as humans are no longer toiling sun up to sun down, doing hard labor (in general). Taking it easier reduces the strain on our bodies, therefore adding to the natural life expectancy.

disagree entirely. I'm going to preface this with: this is not meant to be a racist statement - but Hispanics actually have the highest life expectancy in the United States. They also (on the whole - again - not being stereotypical, just a fact) tend to work more hours in more manual labor-type jobs on average than other demographics.

I'd argue that toiling sun up to sun down actually helps you live longer. More exercise, more calorie burn, etc.

Actually the next generation of American born will be the first time that life expectancy goes the other way, apparently, and with the state of their health, that would be a given, I would think. I believe American health has gone from the single digit to somewhere in the 40's when compared to other countries.......it's disintegrating basically.

totally. we pay the most $$ on health care and live shorter lives than 27 other countries.

something's gotta give.

Vilifying food groups or singular macros, pick one it doesn't matter, is one of the things that has to stop. The alternatives for those foods have created a multibillion dollar diet industry and this thread is the prefect example of that.

why is that industry worse than the dairy industry that has no regard for public health or environmental protection - just profits?

Because the diet industry regularly produces products that are of lower nutritional value. Compare milk, for example, against almond milk as was done above. The almond milk is synthetic and doesn't really compare favorably to real milk.

this is true - if you buy things that scream "healthy" on the label... they're generally not.

I wouldn't say they're worse, though... just part of the same broken system.

What system is broken? The world wide scientific community? Don't you think you may be out of your expertise here?

no no no, just the American food system that needs to mass produce for 300 million people. to do that, they create more greenhouse gasses than the entire American transportation system, ranking themselves 2nd in factors that contribute to global warming, and the subsidies from the government keep unhealthy foods cheaper than healthy foods. If you don't think the nutritional system in America has huge gaping flaws, you haven't really looked into it much.

Now I will say that there aren't many good ways to fix the system short of simply eating less meat and drinking less dairy, which I know will never happen, but by eating these things in the tremendous quantities we do, we're not only taxing the healthcare system in this country, but we're also destroying the environment at the same time. It's pretty crazy.

EDIT: also the fact that profits are more important than peoples' health. that's part of the broken-ness.

Don't even try to school me.

I've been singing for half my life, and have been behind the scenes of the music industry for at least 6 years.

Aside from opera singers (and even then, Sarah Brightman smokes like a chimney), most professional singers don't do diddly squat besides suck on a lemon before a performance.

You don't even know who you're trying to school. Just stop while you're ahead.

And you don't know who you're trying to school, but I agree let's quit fighting because it's silly.

I have been singing my whole life and I am a classically trained singer with a degree in vocal performance. I have been in many musicals and operas.
No, you should not down a pint of milk an hour before you go onstage. However, drinking milk is not going to hurt your voice as long as you aren't lactose intolerant and don't drink it within a reasonable amount of time to singing.
Having said this, Sarah Brightman is possible the worst cited example of what a singer should be doing with their voice. She sounds like she smokes like a chimney. Just saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny5H9GiVP_0

Smoking? That's not what a smokers voice sounds like to me...just sayin :P

Mental health is important too......

Sigh...first worlders and their fad diets.

...The fact is that we are the only species to regularly and intentionally drink milk past infancy and to regularly and intentionally drink the breast milk of another animal...

We're also the only species to cook meals, plant and harvest crops, have sanitation/purity laws for foods, eat in restaurants, shop at grocery stores and refrigerate our food. Your point?

My point was clear but you don't seem to have one. You're talking about things that we're the only species to do at all. It's not like all mammals did these things in infancy and then stopped. All mammals consume their mother's breast milk in infancy (with the exception of orphaned animals adopted by other animals, human intervention, and formula). Regardless of what we actually consume in infancy, we're designed to consume breast milk from our own species. All other animals stop consuming breast milk after infancy. They don't continue to nurse throughout life, or start drinking milk from other animals when their mother's stop producing. I don't care if you or anyone else drinks milk so I'm not sure why you're offended by the fact that only adult humans do it. It's a fact. Making pointless arguments won't change facts.