Doritos are not meth.
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From your general lack of knowledge by dismissing eating clean as "whatever that means" shows you just want to be skinny and not healthy. Look at your labels some time, see what you are putting in your body. I mean great, you think calories in and calories out is the only goal. The best you will ever be is somewhat thinner without getting more serious about nutrition. Go over your limit whatever but including junk in your diet is just that, junk. It isn't food, it is a food like product that does nothing for you.
What is eating clean then?
"When someone makes the choice to eat "clean" they are choosing to eliminate all processed foods and extra additives from their diet. Basically, you are choosing to eat whole, unrefined foods.
The basics of eating clean include - eating lots of fruits and vegetables. These are straight from nature - the idea is to stay away from anything that may have been altered in any way."
so in this case look at all that maltodextrin, monosodium glutamate (MSG), disodium inosinate and 10+ other additives.
MSG info-
http://www.drgourmet.com/bites/2011/061511.shtml
These additives ARE bad. I don't think I'm better or raise my nose to people that eat them but shrugging it off like it isn't a problem is just dumb. Like I said, these aren't foods these are food like products. I could eat paper too but it sure as hell wouldn't be good for me, probably better than dorritos.
I don't mean to even come off as one of these "better" people but when you read these studies it is hard to just accept that this is how are food is now and eat it.
What is going to do more for you and your hunger? A banana with 80-120 calories QUALITY carbs and fructose OR 1 serving of chips with 120-150 calories with no satiety and ingredient shown and proven to INCREASE your hunger rather than satisfy it.
Well from your diary, you're not doing a very good job of eating clean according to your definition at all. Practice what you preach bro
And as far as MSG goes, how is it different than naturally occurring glutamate found in things like broccoli and Parmesan cheese, metabolically speaking.
Lol, what a joke. k0 -
Amen sister! I love chocolate and I refuse to give it up. Life would be sad if we deprived ourselves of eating things that make you feel good. I agree with you 100% and think this needed to be said!
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So you are saying Doritos ARE meth? Psh, get over yourself. She just said eat however you want if it makes you happy.0
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From your general lack of knowledge by dismissing eating clean as "whatever that means" shows you just want to be skinny and not healthy. Look at your labels some time, see what you are putting in your body. I mean great, you think calories in and calories out is the only goal. The best you will ever be is somewhat thinner without getting more serious about nutrition. Go over your limit whatever but including junk in your diet is just that, junk. It isn't food, it is a food like product that does nothing for you.
What is eating clean then?
"When someone makes the choice to eat "clean" they are choosing to eliminate all processed foods and extra additives from their diet. Basically, you are choosing to eat whole, unrefined foods.
The basics of eating clean include - eating lots of fruits and vegetables. These are straight from nature - the idea is to stay away from anything that may have been altered in any way."
so in this case look at all that maltodextrin, monosodium glutamate (MSG), disodium inosinate and 10+ other additives.
MSG info-
http://www.drgourmet.com/bites/2011/061511.shtml
These additives ARE bad. I don't think I'm better or raise my nose to people that eat them but shrugging it off like it isn't a problem is just dumb. Like I said, these aren't foods these are food like products. I could eat paper too but it sure as hell wouldn't be good for me, probably better than dorritos.
I don't mean to even come off as one of these "better" people but when you read these studies it is hard to just accept that this is how are food is now and eat it.
What is going to do more for you and your hunger? A banana with 80-120 calories QUALITY carbs and fructose OR 1 serving of chips with 120-150 calories with no satiety and ingredient shown and proven to INCREASE your hunger rather than satisfy it.
Well from your diary, you're not doing a very good job of eating clean according to your definition at all. Practice what you preach bro
And as far as MSG goes, how is it different than naturally occurring glutamate found in things like broccoli and Parmesan cheese, metabolically speaking.
Lol, what a joke. k
My mistake, you spoke of reading studies, thought you might be able to clarify the difference. Also thought you might actually eat clean, but turns out you don't, your diet is super unclean0 -
From your general lack of knowledge by dismissing eating clean as "whatever that means" shows you just want to be skinny and not healthy. Look at your labels some time, see what you are putting in your body. I mean great, you think calories in and calories out is the only goal. The best you will ever be is somewhat thinner without getting more serious about nutrition. Go over your limit whatever but including junk in your diet is just that, junk. It isn't food, it is a food like product that does nothing for you.
What is eating clean then?
"When someone makes the choice to eat "clean" they are choosing to eliminate all processed foods and extra additives from their diet. Basically, you are choosing to eat whole, unrefined foods.
The basics of eating clean include - eating lots of fruits and vegetables. These are straight from nature - the idea is to stay away from anything that may have been altered in any way."
so in this case look at all that maltodextrin, monosodium glutamate (MSG), disodium inosinate and 10+ other additives.
MSG info-
http://www.drgourmet.com/bites/2011/061511.shtml
These additives ARE bad. I don't think I'm better or raise my nose to people that eat them but shrugging it off like it isn't a problem is just dumb. Like I said, these aren't foods these are food like products. I could eat paper too but it sure as hell wouldn't be good for me, probably better than dorritos.
I don't mean to even come off as one of these "better" people but when you read these studies it is hard to just accept that this is how are food is now and eat it.
What is going to do more for you and your hunger? A banana with 80-120 calories QUALITY carbs and fructose OR 1 serving of chips with 120-150 calories with no satiety and ingredient shown and proven to INCREASE your hunger rather than satisfy it.
Might want to quit the protein powder then. It's processed. Your definition is invalid.0 -
I have eliminated a couple foods from my diet that I find I just cannot exercise any kind of portion control with. And you know, I don't miss them. Largely because everything else is available to me. In moderation.
One day I hope to be able to eat Skittles, Starburst and potato chips in moderation, but until I can, I'm going to leave them out of the equation. And if I want a cupcake, I eat one. Ice cream? I eat it. All things in moderation.
Skittles and Starburst are no problem for me, because I cannot stand them!
Chocolate on the other hand... but I have managed to tame the chocolate beast, too, because I can make healthy things with cocoa powder and just add a few measured chocolate chips to a recipe of black bean brownies, and portion them out with the calories counted. So it gets into me with a good dollop of fiber and the sugar counts are completely under control.
I still don't buy chocolate bars, but my mother/roomie does and I don't raid hers.0 -
Excellent post!I have eliminated a couple foods from my diet that I find I just cannot exercise any kind of portion control with. And you know, I don't miss them. Largely because everything else is available to me. In moderation.
One day I hope to be able to eat Skittles, Starburst and potato chips in moderation, but until I can, I'm going to leave them out of the equation. And if I want a cupcake, I eat one. Ice cream? I eat it. All things in moderation.
Skittles and Starburst are no problem for me, because I cannot stand them! Chocolate on the other hand... but I have managed to tame the chocolate beast, too, because I can make healthy things with cocoa powder and just add a few measured chocolate chips to a recipe of black bean brownies, and portion them out with the calories counted. So it gets into me with a good dollop of fiber and the sugar counts are completely under control.
I still don't buy chocolate bars, but my mother/roomie does and I don't raid hers.
I don't eat natural peanut butter, cause I just can't stop. Is it due to some chemical in my brain? Nah, it cause because it's sex in a jar and I can't help it.0 -
OP, I just want to say thank you for posting this. I guess I'm one of those weird people with "willpower" and self control though. It's a shame that a post focusing on hard work and self control resulted in a thread full of excuses and whining. But this is MFP. My hat is off to you.
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Ahh, a discussion on the topic of food addict and how it plays into the obesity epidemic is a "thread of excuses and whining." I feel blessed that I don't have a food addiction, but that doesn't mean I dismiss or discount or mock it.
But since we're in a mocking mood...it's too bad so many people don't have the willpower and self control to not post profile pics of their non-existent abs.
Have a nice day,
I find it interesting that attacking and hijacking a quality post about self control with multiple claims of food addiction is okay in your mind. Sure there are people with eating disorders, but you really think that's the crux of most people's problems, both in general and on MFP, that they're addicted to food? If everyone who claimed to be "addicted" to food was really addicted then things like MFP, where you are expected to count calories and use self control, wouldn't work. These addicted people would instead require treatment which MFP clearly does not provide. I doubt you will find many meth addicts who decided to "cut back" a little and then became healthy meth users.
And, at the same, time you find it perfectly acceptable to personally attack me. But I guess that's also okay because it's about defending your position, right? And personal attacks are allowed on MFP? Wait, no they are not. Perhaps you should read the forum guidelines. Oh, not that it's any of your business, but I'm actually gaining weight right now and I couldn't care less about how my abs show or what you personally think of me. Nor are my abs or what you personally think of me relevant to this thread.
If you don't like what the OP has to say, then don't post here, or engage in debate according to the MFP guidelines.
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I agree with you OP, but I also want to point out that there are people with medical issues that this doesn't apply to. For most people your post is spot on. I just hope that nobody believes that this is entirely a black and white issue.
Eating disorders are real, as I'm sure everyone already realizes, but they aren't all about anorexia and bulimia. Having no control over what you eat and binge eating to the point it is an eating disorder and it controls you is an illness. However, I'm not saying that this illness can't be overcome, but it takes time and a lot of work. For a period of time avoiding temptation helps those on the way to recovery, but you have to address the underlying issue too. I've been anorexic, bulimic, and a binge eater, diagnosed and all, in my teens. I overcame the anorexia and bulimia long before the binge eating. I still had a very strong impulse to binge eat into my 30's sometimes. In all honesty compulsive binge eating was harder to overcome than either anorexia or bulimia. Though losing weight scared the crap out of me, because I was afraid of relapse. It can be a slippery slope for some.
For people with issues with food addictions or eating disorders eating is very difficult to heal and learn healthy balance with food. Unlike with a meth addict who stops the drug entirely and can avoid contact with it, a food addict or someone trying to overcome an eating disorder still has to eat and be around food and learn to make good choices. They have to learn to do that in a way that makes sense to them and works for them. After all, their end goal is to have balance and health in their life like everyone else, but it can take different methods and a lot more time to get there.
Then there are those with food allergy and intolerance. These can fuel cravings, sometimes some pretty intense ones. Often people are avoiding foods that make them binge for the conscious reason that you don't think they have the will power to mange it, but really there is a biological reason behind the madness. When they stop the food the cravings go away and they never realize that something in those foods was screwing with their body. When they decide to splurge just once those cravings come back and they are hit again with those cravings, over do it, and feel terrible afterwards. They think that their feeling crummy is, because they ate the whole batch of cookies, and not because the ate a whole batch of cookies AND their body can't handle some of the ingredients in them. Then those cookies lead to more things like them and even more splurges as their body starts to crave it more and more. These people often swear that those first cookies were like a gate-way drug. Little do they know that if they cut out all the stuff are allergic to or can't tolerate for a while and THEN eat a cookie that doesn't have any of those things in them, they are able to control themselves just like anyone else. Just like you suggest in your post.
I had horrible cravings that I had to manage and I never felt full, well 90% of the time I never felt full. I lived that way most of my life, believing that something was wrong with that trigger in my brain that told me when I was full. Sort of like in people with Prader-Willi syndrome, but definitely NOT Prader-Willi syndrome. So I managed my cravings and fought with myself and kept myself in check by ignoring what my body was telling me, which was "Eat! Your Hungry!" Then after years of worsening GI symptoms, gaining 20 or more pounds in a week to a month several times with no food binging involved, and more I find out that I am allergic or intolerant to things I was eating at nearly every meal. I was forced then to cut them all out. Now I have that switch in my head that tells me I'm full and I don't have problems with impulse control. Suddenly my body wasn't screaming at me and calmed down and behaved like a normal person about food. True story and I'm loving it. Losing weight and changing my lifestyle was easy, compared to what it HAD been like, once I stopped poisoning myself at every meal.
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I didn't finish reading the OPs entire post but I just want to say that they actually incorporate minimal amounts crystal meth and crack cocaine in the cheese powder which is why Doritos are addictive. Google it!0
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"The other day I ate an entire bag of tortilla chips and an entire jar of queso dip. And not throughout the day or at a casual social event. I sat on my couch and crammed about 1500 calories into my mouth in 20 minutes. Did I regret it afterwards? Of course I did. Do I now think I have a queso addiction and refuse to have it in my house? No. There is a bag of chips in my cupboard and a jar of dip in my fridge. I like to enjoy a serving of each some nights after work."
Sorry,but some of my patients at work say things like this^^^^^ every day....We call that Binge eating and it IS an Addiction.
They also think that they have control.Some of them do for awhile...then they don't again.Its a crazy cycle.0 -
I agree with you OP, but I also want to point out that there are people with medical issues that this doesn't apply to. For most people your post is spot on. I just hope that nobody believes that this is entirely a black and white issue.
Eating disorders are real, as I'm sure everyone already realizes, but they aren't all about anorexia and bulimia. Having no control over what you eat and binge eating to the point it is an eating disorder and it controls you is an illness. However, I'm not saying that this illness can't be overcome, but it takes time and a lot of work. For a period of time avoiding temptation helps those on the way to recovery, but you have to address the underlying issue too. I've been anorexic, bulimic, and a binge eater, diagnosed and all, in my teens. I overcame the anorexia and bulimia long before the binge eating. I still had a very strong impulse to binge eat into my 30's sometimes. In all honesty compulsive binge eating was harder to overcome than either anorexia or bulimia. Though losing weight scared the crap out of me, because I was afraid of relapse. It can be a slippery slope for some.
For people with issues with food addictions or eating disorders eating is very difficult to heal and learn healthy balance with food. Unlike with a meth addict who stops the drug entirely and can avoid contact with it, a food addict or someone trying to overcome an eating disorder still has to eat and be around food and learn to make good choices. They have to learn to do that in a way that makes sense to them and works for them. After all, their end goal is to have balance and health in their life like everyone else, but it can take different methods and a lot more time to get there.
Then there are those with food allergy and intolerance. These can fuel cravings, sometimes some pretty intense ones. Often people are avoiding foods that make them binge for the conscious reason that you don't think they have the will power to mange it, but really there is a biological reason behind the madness. When they stop the food the cravings go away and they never realize that something in those foods was screwing with their body. When they decide to splurge just once those cravings come back and they are hit again with those cravings, over do it, and feel terrible afterwards. They think that their feeling crummy is, because they ate the whole batch of cookies, and not because the ate a whole batch of cookies AND their body can't handle some of the ingredients in them. Then those cookies lead to more things like them and even more splurges as their body starts to crave it more and more. These people often swear that those first cookies were like a gate-way drug. Little do they know that if they cut out all the stuff are allergic to or can't tolerate for a while and THEN eat a cookie that doesn't have any of those things in them, they are able to control themselves just like anyone else. Just like you suggest in your post.
I had horrible cravings that I had to manage and I never felt full, well 90% of the time I never felt full. I lived that way most of my life, believing that something was wrong with that trigger in my brain that told me when I was full. Sort of like in people with Prader-Willi syndrome, but definitely NOT Prader-Willi syndrome. So I managed my cravings and fought with myself and kept myself in check by ignoring what my body was telling me, which was "Eat! Your Hungry!" Then after years of worsening GI symptoms, gaining 20 or more pounds in a week to a month several times with no food binging involved, and more I find out that I am allergic or intolerant to things I was eating at nearly every meal. I was forced then to cut them all out. Now I have that switch in my head that tells me I'm full and I don't have problems with impulse control. Suddenly my body wasn't screaming at me and calmed down and behaved like a normal person about food. True story and I'm loving it. Losing weight and changing my lifestyle was easy, compared to what it HAD been like, once I stopped poisoning myself at every meal.
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I would like to say that food has no control over me and agree with your post but unfortunately I have a huge binge eating disorder. I would love to be able to eat just one bagel, or maybe one cookie, or maybe just 1/2 cup ice cream and stop. Unfortunately I have not learned how to yet. That is my biggest pitfall and hopefully one day I can do so but for right now I don't carry "junk food" in my house, I avoid office bagels like the plague, and I run into stores just to avoid the smell of a chinese buffet.
I'm proud of you for being able to have self control. That is what a lot of us strive for.0 -
Exceptionally written post. kudos.0
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I don’t shiver and sob on my bathroom floor while rubbing Sensa crystals all over my body. I ate a cupcake, I didn’t hit someone with my car and keep driving, so why should I feel guilty?
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very well said, excellent post. I love Doritos, they are my favorite chip!!!0
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