Health concerns about dairy products
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The article is nonsense, as is the use of the word Responsible in the title of the organization that promoted it.
Read the language - it is very vague. Individual studies that suggest the links mentioned in the article are heavily outweighed by the thousands of counter studies that confirm the health benefits of dairy.
Milk and dairy products are generally considered to be nature's perfect food, nutritionally balanced with tons of proven health benefits. Don't let some irresponsible, vegan quacks convince you otherwise.
If you fall for this, then I suggest you also cut dihydrogen monoxide out of your diet. I hear that can be pretty bad too.
Regardless of any studies, humans are the ONLY species in the world that continues to consume milk past infancy and the ONLY species to consume the milk of ANOTHER species. We stop producing an enzyme called lactase when we are young. This enzyme helped us break down our mother's milk. One could hypothesize that our bodies stop producing it because we no longer need milk. Milk also contains IGF1-- a protein that helps cells grow rapidly, which makes sense considering the development and growth infants need. Unfortunately, IGF1 also helps promote the growth of bad cells, too--- like cancer cells.0 -
I felt I should share this with everyone. I've been doing a lot of research lately on the goods and bads of what we eat and this article really stuck out to me since I recently cut dairy out of my diet. Worth the read and cites all it's sources although I haven't checked them out yet.
In a nutshell, it's linking dairy with osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease, cancer & diabetes. It also cites dairy as being a common dietary trigger of migraines and arthritis pain, acne, & possibility food allergies and colic in infants and children...+more
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-products
If anyone else has come across other informative sources about dairy I would love to read them.
http://www.truthaboutabs.com/2-foods-beware-weight-gain.html
I came across this a few weeks ago. There are 2 parts to this......Wheat & Dairy. Figured you would be interested in the Dairy portion. I think they key is not removing ALL dairy, but figuring out which dairy products are good and which are potentially harmful.
Thanks, I'll check it out.0 -
he relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1
Their Methods:We have conducted a systematic literature review of observational studies on the relationship between dairy fat and high-fat dairy foods, obesity, and cardiometabolic disease. We have integrated these findings with data from controlled studies showing effects of several minor dairy fatty acids on adiposity and cardiometabolic risk factors, and data on how bovine feeding practices influence the composition of dairy fat.
so correct me if I'm wrong, but they did the following things:
1) Looked at a bunch of literature about dairy
2) Compared this information with other information from previous studies and data collected by other people
They didn't actually DO any experiments... or am I misreading?0 -
Association of beverage consumption with obesity in Mexican American children.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23308395
and yes, children ARE supposed to drink milk! It's us grown-ups who don't have the enzymes to properly digest it...0 -
Stopped reading at PCRM. Anti-meat and animal product propaganda arm of PETA posing as Doctors.0
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Gotta die of something, someday.... Might as well die with a spoon of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream in my hand...
Seriously though... I'm more in the middle with dairy.. I don't think it's the wonder food that some studies says it is and I don't think it's as evil and disease causing as others say it is... Until I can read an INDEPENDANT study I will continue to consume and serve dairy in moderation.0 -
he relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1
Their Methods:We have conducted a systematic literature review of observational studies on the relationship between dairy fat and high-fat dairy foods, obesity, and cardiometabolic disease. We have integrated these findings with data from controlled studies showing effects of several minor dairy fatty acids on adiposity and cardiometabolic risk factors, and data on how bovine feeding practices influence the composition of dairy fat.
so correct me if I'm wrong, but they did the following things:
1) Looked at a bunch of literature about dairy
2) Compared this information with other information from previous studies and data collected by other people
They didn't actually DO any experiments... or am I misreading?
No, it says it was a "systematic literature review."0 -
he relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1
Their Methods:We have conducted a systematic literature review of observational studies on the relationship between dairy fat and high-fat dairy foods, obesity, and cardiometabolic disease. We have integrated these findings with data from controlled studies showing effects of several minor dairy fatty acids on adiposity and cardiometabolic risk factors, and data on how bovine feeding practices influence the composition of dairy fat.
so correct me if I'm wrong, but they did the following things:
1) Looked at a bunch of literature about dairy
2) Compared this information with other information from previous studies and data collected by other people
They didn't actually DO any experiments... or am I misreading?
Ok and?0 -
Thank you cow milk for making both of these means Epic!!
hot dogs + sharp cheddar + lean hamburg + Thick cut hickory bacon + Sweet Baby rays bbq sauce + TURTLE BURGERS!
Check it out! Last night I made home made mac n cheese with bacon bits stuffed jalapeno meatloaf wrapped in apple cider cured BACON!! It...was...epic!!!!
you need to stop.
Does this mean I should hold off on the chili pic?
No I wanna see the chili pic I love yummy food porn.
I am going to try and make the turtle burgers this weekend.0 -
Regardless of any studies, humans are the ONLY species in the world that continues to consume milk past infancy and the ONLY species to consume the milk of ANOTHER species.
No we're not. Lots of animals will consume it when given the chance. Just because they haven't figured out how to milk the other species yet, doesn't mean they wouldn't if they could. Do other species brew coffee to drink, or grind their meat to make neat little patties that will fit on a bun, or cure and smoke pork belly to eat with their fried chicken embryos, or do any of a million other cooking and eating techiniques we humans do? No, but they probably all wish they could.0 -
I've never had to concern myself with this arguement because I'm lactose intolerant and allergic to dairy proteins. So for me milk is bad news. Always has been. What I object to is that fact that the dairy industry has convinced everyone that you can't be healthy without cows milk. That your children can't be healthy without cows milk.
You can be perfectly healthy without it.
I can just tell people I'm allergic or my DD is allergic and they leave me alone but I know vegans that get treated as if they are committing child abuse b/c their kids don't drink milk.0 -
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he relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1
Their Methods:We have conducted a systematic literature review of observational studies on the relationship between dairy fat and high-fat dairy foods, obesity, and cardiometabolic disease. We have integrated these findings with data from controlled studies showing effects of several minor dairy fatty acids on adiposity and cardiometabolic risk factors, and data on how bovine feeding practices influence the composition of dairy fat.
so correct me if I'm wrong, but they did the following things:
1) Looked at a bunch of literature about dairy
2) Compared this information with other information from previous studies and data collected by other people
They didn't actually DO any experiments... or am I misreading?
Ok and?
I dunno man, you don't think a study that says "we looked at all this stuff (which we won't show you) and this is what we think about it" has a little less credibility than one in which they actually performed some sort of trial where they explained all the methodology and findings?0 -
Regardless of any studies, humans are the ONLY species in the world that continues to consume milk past infancy and the ONLY species to consume the milk of ANOTHER species.
No we're not. Lots of animals will consume it when given the chance. Just because they haven't figured out how to milk the other species yet, doesn't mean they wouldn't if they could. Do other species brew coffee to drink, or grind their meat to make neat little patties that will fit on a bun, or cure and smoke pork belly to eat with their fried chicken embryos, or do any of a million other cooking and eating techiniques we humans do? No, but they probably all wish they could.
^^^ This! Pretty sure my cats (and even the dog) would jump at the chance to drink milk... In fact, pretty sure I have seen them drink from the glass when left unattended.0 -
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Regardless of any studies, humans are the ONLY species in the world that continues to consume milk past infancy and the ONLY species to consume the milk of ANOTHER species.
You're basically saying mutualism in species is unnatural. It's not.
We do it because we have the ability to do it. It's unique in mammals that we milk cows, but not in animals completely. Some ants milk aphids, and some ants do farming. So humans aren't the only ones to farm, and intelligence clearly wasn't that necessary in the latter case. Life will exploit every niche possible, mutualism is but one way.We stop producing an enzyme called lactase when we are young. This enzyme helped us break down our mother's milk. One could hypothesize that our bodies stop producing it because we no longer need milk. Milk also contains IGF1-- a protein that helps cells grow rapidly, which makes sense considering the development and growth infants need. Unfortunately, IGF1 also helps promote the growth of bad cells, too--- like cancer cells.
Many people quit producing lactase when young, but a sizable proportion of Northern Europeans do not quit producing it. I happen to be one of those people... so I see no point in stopping consumption of dairy.0 -
he relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1
Their Methods:We have conducted a systematic literature review of observational studies on the relationship between dairy fat and high-fat dairy foods, obesity, and cardiometabolic disease. We have integrated these findings with data from controlled studies showing effects of several minor dairy fatty acids on adiposity and cardiometabolic risk factors, and data on how bovine feeding practices influence the composition of dairy fat.
so correct me if I'm wrong, but they did the following things:
1) Looked at a bunch of literature about dairy
2) Compared this information with other information from previous studies and data collected by other people
They didn't actually DO any experiments... or am I misreading?
Ok and?
I dunno man, you don't think a study that says "we looked at all this stuff (which we won't show you) and this is what we think about it" has a little less credibility than one in which they actually performed some sort of trial where they explained all the methodology and findings?
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Regardless of any studies, humans are the ONLY species in the world that continues to consume milk past infancy and the ONLY species to consume the milk of ANOTHER species.
No we're not. Lots of animals will consume it when given the chance. Just because they haven't figured out how to milk the other species yet, doesn't mean they wouldn't if they could. Do other species brew coffee to drink, or grind their meat to make neat little patties that will fit on a bun, or cure and smoke pork belly to eat with their fried chicken embryos, or do any of a million other cooking and eating techiniques we humans do? No, but they probably all wish they could.
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I dont know about all this
sounds like propaganda to me
However, if you are nervous about dairy you CAN cut it out of your diet safely I believe
You just have to be sure to take a calcium supplement AND multivitamin everyday.
I cant give up dairy
but I do moderate it.
I just like yogurt and cheese!
calcium supplement AND multivitamin everyday ...
You do not need to take supplements if you are eating healthy nutritious foods.0 -
PCRM is basically a radical animal rights group promoting a vegan diet for everyone, so it makes sense that they're against milk. Their "scientific" studies are heavily funded by groups like PETA, but more often they just pick information out of context from other studies, and apply it to whatever point they're trying to prove. If you follow sources and fact-check, you'll see what I mean.
I initially wondered which groups were backing PCRM, it's a rather large statement to claim that dairy is causing (or at least greatly influencing) each of these health issues.0 -
I eat some cheese now and then but the human body is simply not meant to process diary after the age of 2. This is coming from possibly the biggest milk and cheese fan there is. Everything in moderation though, sometimes it is too tempting to resist.0
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My dog got sick and threw up on a walk. Went by that same spot later and he tried to eat his own vomit a week later. That doesn't mean it is good for him! = DRegardless of any studies, humans are the ONLY species in the world that continues to consume milk past infancy and the ONLY species to consume the milk of ANOTHER species.
No we're not. Lots of animals will consume it when given the chance. Just because they haven't figured out how to milk the other species yet, doesn't mean they wouldn't if they could. Do other species brew coffee to drink, or grind their meat to make neat little patties that will fit on a bun, or cure and smoke pork belly to eat with their fried chicken embryos, or do any of a million other cooking and eating techiniques we humans do? No, but they probably all wish they could.
^^^ This! Pretty sure my cats (and even the dog) would jump at the chance to drink milk... In fact, pretty sure I have seen them drink from the glass when left unattended.0 -
Anyone wanting more information on Dairy and Disease look up Dr. John McDougall. He is an amazing man and DR. with over 35 years of experience fighting the dairy industry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3Nmr1i4ns 0 -
Regardless of any studies, humans are the ONLY species in the world that continues to consume milk past infancy and the ONLY species to consume the milk of ANOTHER species.
No we're not. Lots of animals will consume it when given the chance. Just because they haven't figured out how to milk the other species yet, doesn't mean they wouldn't if they could. Do other species brew coffee to drink, or grind their meat to make neat little patties that will fit on a bun, or cure and smoke pork belly to eat with their fried chicken embryos, or do any of a million other cooking and eating techiniques we humans do? No, but they probably all wish they could.
Eh. We could argue that flying airplanes and driving cars is not" natural," but we take the dog in the car so it can be done. But the thing we are talking about here is the biological needs of our species.0 -
he relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1
Their Methods:We have conducted a systematic literature review of observational studies on the relationship between dairy fat and high-fat dairy foods, obesity, and cardiometabolic disease. We have integrated these findings with data from controlled studies showing effects of several minor dairy fatty acids on adiposity and cardiometabolic risk factors, and data on how bovine feeding practices influence the composition of dairy fat.
so correct me if I'm wrong, but they did the following things:
1) Looked at a bunch of literature about dairy
2) Compared this information with other information from previous studies and data collected by other people
They didn't actually DO any experiments... or am I misreading?
Ok and?
I dunno man, you don't think a study that says "we looked at all this stuff (which we won't show you) and this is what we think about it" has a little less credibility than one in which they actually performed some sort of trial where they explained all the methodology and findings?
References (109)...
hah thanks.
regardless, still not a very strong study - as even with all those references:Studies investigating the connection between high-fat dairy intake and diabetes or cardiovascular disease incidence were inconsistent.0 -
I eat some cheese now and then but the human body is simply not meant to process diary after the age of 2. This is coming from possibly the biggest milk and cheese fan there is. Everything in moderation though, sometimes it is too tempting to resist.
No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true.
Lactase persistence exists in people of northern European ancestry.
http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000491
Abstract
Lactase persistence (LP) is common among people of European ancestry, but with the exception of some African, Middle Eastern and southern Asian groups, is rare or absent elsewhere in the world. Lactase gene haplotype conservation around a polymorphism strongly associated with LP in Europeans (−13,910 C/T) indicates that the derived allele is recent in origin and has been subject to strong positive selection. Furthermore, ancient DNA work has shown that the −13,910*T (derived) allele was very rare or absent in early Neolithic central Europeans. It is unlikely that LP would provide a selective advantage without a supply of fresh milk, and this has lead to a gene-culture coevolutionary model where lactase persistence is only favoured in cultures practicing dairying, and dairying is more favoured in lactase persistent populations.
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Welcome to Evolution.0 -
If Milk was bad....woman would not produce it for their babies. Milk is part of a balanced diet supported by many state governments in their food guides.
Having said that, in Canada milk is tested at the producer (farm) and if any atibiotics or steroids are dectected the shipment is dumped. This process does not occur in th US though and you may be exposed to steroids in you milk. WIthin Canada milk is completely safe to drink.
Chicken...on the other hand....is full of antiboitics in US and Canada. They bulk those babies up to keep them healthy and strong....but they are still tasty!
THIS. ^^
Moral of the story: Choose better dairy products if you choose to consume dairy.
It's out there you just have to find it! And if you still don't want dairy, there are lots of alternatives.0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?0
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he relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-012-0418-1
Their Methods:We have conducted a systematic literature review of observational studies on the relationship between dairy fat and high-fat dairy foods, obesity, and cardiometabolic disease. We have integrated these findings with data from controlled studies showing effects of several minor dairy fatty acids on adiposity and cardiometabolic risk factors, and data on how bovine feeding practices influence the composition of dairy fat.
so correct me if I'm wrong, but they did the following things:
1) Looked at a bunch of literature about dairy
2) Compared this information with other information from previous studies and data collected by other people
They didn't actually DO any experiments... or am I misreading?
Ok and?
I dunno man, you don't think a study that says "we looked at all this stuff (which we won't show you) and this is what we think about it" has a little less credibility than one in which they actually performed some sort of trial where they explained all the methodology and findings?
References (109)...
hah thanks.
regardless, still not a very strong study - as even with all those references:Studies investigating the connection between high-fat dairy intake and diabetes or cardiovascular disease incidence were inconsistent.
Lol, and where are all the "strong studies" you have brought to the table showing how bad dairy is?0 -
Let's also remember that the US government subsidizes dairy products and promotes them with it's "Got Milk?" campaign. I've never seen a "Got broccoli?" campaign. No one would argue that broccoli is unhealthy. Why the bias?
Broccoli is healthy, but if you have a clotting disorder related to Vitamin K, it's not so good.
Moral? Everybody's body is different, and what's good for one person isn't always good for another.0
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