For Vegans / Vegetarians only.

I find it highly ironic that you have a person who actually eats meat, preaching the benefits of not eating meat to people who do not eat meat.

Plus, it is also ironic that I, as an actual vegetarian (for 25 years), totally disagree with the whole 'we were not meant to eat meat look at our teeth' argument, but the meat eater does agree with it and therefore is doing something that by his own argument is 'unnatural'

This site baffled me sometimes.

Thanks, Sara for being a SMART vegetarian on MFP.

I'm officially done with OP. I can handle stupid, but I can't handle sexist comments. So I'm outta here.

I thought you would have been gone when I SYA. thankfully I found the way to have you leave. Only if it would work for the other lady now...

Sorry...you obviously have an issue with people disagreeing with you...or maybe based on your other comment, you just have an issue with women disagreeing with you.

I have no issues arguing with transgender either. So I am sorry about the husband comment. My bad!

At least you can apologize!!! And I am happy to see that you are inclusive to our tranny friends. Cis-normativity is boring!

I can't say I agree with all the arguments for vegetarianism in the opening, but I don't really see anything wrong with preaching to the choir. I'm constantly reading questionable science about the necessity for large amounts of protein and lean meat. I've been an ovo-lacto vegetarian for 25 years, and I really want to cut down on the ovo and lacto part. But I keep reading about the wonders of large amounts of protein, and the importance of fish oil, etc. I think it's good to have a post promoting the other side.
Incidentally, though I was a chubby child, as soon as I switch to being a vegetarian I dropped to a healthy weight and have never been overweight since.

my biggest complaint with this thread is the word designed lol.

One of my favorite things about the veggie groups is that interested people can talk about what they want without any jokes or having to explain to people who don't understand. People who truly want to discuss among like-minded people can go talk there. Posting on the main boards is pretty much an invitation for these debates. (Actually, I think it would probably even fall under the group guideline stating that topics for only one group of people belong in the groups.) I'm not even sure why I'm here myself since I promised myself I'd avoid the vegan threads on the main boards. :blushing:

If you want to debate the merits of these diets, I encourage you as a vegan to just say that openly. Being a vegan is an important aspect of my identity, and I get tired of people making jokes about it or making assumptions about me just because I'm a vegan. But threads that are for "us only" on the main board that identify the vegan diet as superior gives people the motivation to make those jokes or assumptions. (Not that you are responsible for them, as of course they are responsible for themselves.) When someone invites vegans and vegetarians into a thread, and we come in and are embarrassed by the tone, most will speak up to challenge in order to avoid reinforcing all the stereotypes already out there.

One of my favorite things about the veggie groups is that interested people can talk about what they want without any jokes or having to explain to people who don't understand. People who truly want to discuss among like-minded people can go talk there. Posting on the main boards is pretty much an invitation for these debates. (Actually, I think it would probably even fall under the group guideline stating that topics for only one group of people belong in the groups.) I'm not even sure why I'm here myself since I promised myself I'd avoid the vegan threads on the main boards. :blushing:

If you want to debate the merits of these diets, I encourage you as a vegan to just say that openly. Being a vegan is an important aspect of my identity, and I get tired of people making jokes about it or making assumptions about me just because I'm a vegan. But threads that are for "us only" on the main board that identify the vegan diet as superior gives people the motivation to make those jokes or assumptions. (Not that you are responsible for them, as of course they are responsible for themselves.) When someone invites vegans and vegetarians into a thread, and we come in and are embarrassed by the tone, most will speak up to challenge in order to avoid reinforcing all the stereotypes already out there.

The OP isn't even a vegan or vegetarian - he eats chicken.

And pizza, which is likely topped with sausage or pepperoni, as well as sushi.

Maybe not everyone has the want to compete and hold records and be the best and strength and sports competitions. And maybe many vegetarians/vegans are a part of that group who do not have the want or interest because they are into other things.

So you mean to tell me that you honestly believe that out of all of the Vegan lifters out there, not a single one of them actually aspires to be the first Vegan powerlifter to set a world record? Bull****.

ETA: For example, the guy that just set a lifting record for Germany. You know as well as I do that he would love nothing more than to one day crack the world record in his weight class wide open. If he does, I will be fully willing to eat my words. Until then, I am pretty sure he can't, and his sub-optimal diet has a lot to do with it.

Jesus Christ...does Tofu make people unable to comprehend plain English? Reread my post, and you will realize that none of the people you listed meet my criteria.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't being superior at anything involve more than just diet? I think you're just frustrating yourself expecting an answer you know probably doesn't exist, if you have such expertise. A lot of people succeed immensely on a vegan diet. A lot of people succeed otherwise.

ps-I'm vegan, but because of medical/ethical reasons. I personally feel better this way. Doesn't mean everyone does.

Yes, of course it does. However, the OP is arguing that Vegan is 'superior', which it clearly is not...either that, or Vegans just suck at life. I prefer to think it's the diet holding them back from the physical greatness that those who have gone before them have accomplished while consuming all manner of animal products.

There are more things to be superior in than just physical competitions. You really need to calm down and open your eyes. Holding a world strength record doesn't make you "the best human being on the planet". For all you know there could be people who are more physically superior who don't compete. And there are other areas to be superior in.

There are more things to be superior in than just physical competitions. You really need to calm down and open your eyes. Holding a world strength record doesn't make you "the best human being on the planet". For all you know there could be people who are more physically superior who don't compete. And there are other areas to be superior in.

I am not the one claiming that a specific diet is the way humans were meant to eat either. However, the OP (as well as many of Veganism's proponents) have tried to do just that. Since all of the getting slapped down by evolutionary science hasn't slowed their roll, about the only thing left to do is point out the obvious, which is what I have been doing.

I am not the one claiming that a specific diet is the way humans were meant to eat either. However, the OP (as well as many of Veganism's proponents) have tried to do just that. Since all of the getting slapped down by evolutionary science hasn't slowed their roll, about the only thing left to do is point out the obvious, which is what I have been doing.

Have to chime in that many vegans are also completely uninterested in whose diet is superior but rather in defending that it is adequate. I don't need my diet or health to be better than someone else's, just healthy enough for me to get by. I don't in the end care if we are "designed" to eat meat because of B-12 (even though I think that's a misconception) because I live in the modern age and don't have to worry about that.

Have to chime in that many vegans are also completely uninterested in whose diet is superior but rather in defending that it is adequate. I don't need my diet or health to be better than someone else's, just healthy enough for me to get by. I don't in the end care if we are "designed" to eat meat because of B-12 (even though I think that's a misconception) because I live in the modern age and don't have to worry about that.

And that is obviously just fine. I have never had any kind of quarrel with people who take up the lifestyle for moral reasons (though I will occasionally poke holes in their sails). As I stated, my problem is with all of the 'meat will kill you', 'humans are herbivores', 'being a Vegan can cure everything but AIDS' crap that I see bandied around.

I will admit, I pose one of the few questions that Vegans can only make excuses for, but not truly answer. That is obviously by design. If you can't answer why people on such a diet aren't completely wrecking **** in the strength world, then you definitely can't claim that it's a superior diet. Why? Because food makes the body function. If the bodies of an entire group are functioning at a lesser level than those in another dietary group, it should tell you something.