For Vegans / Vegetarians only.

Because no other group of people has spent so much money, and so much time trying to amp up their moral superiority.

And this is why we can't have nice things... People never remember the vegans who quietly go about their business, making their own choices and letting others make theirs. Nope, they remember the loud mouthed, militant vegans with superiority complexes who go round ramming their beliefs down everyone else's throats and they assume we are all jerks.

Plus OP isn't even vegan so I'm calling shenanigans, he's just trying to make us all look like douchenozzles.

I feel really bad for the vegans and vegetarians that are actually cool. To all you cool ones out there......:flowerforyou:

Actually, he is making meat eaters look bad - he is neither a vegetarian or a vegan...you may have missed the revaluation that he actually eats meat..obviously not strong willed enough to actually act upon his extremely loud convictions - or maybe they just aren't that important

"I think it was Ghandi who said a society should be judged on how it treats it's animals.

When I look at how animals are treated in meat, dairy and egg production I cannot remain a part of the animal industry - whether I have evolved to eat meat and partake of eggs and milk or not. "

Exactly how I feel...

Then you need to stop eating everything that is mass produced and grow your own everything. Would you care to know how many squirrels and rabbits are estimated to be hacked up by machinery in the soy harvest? How about how many rats meet horrific ends in the machinery used for corn processing? I could go on, but I think you see my point.

Because no other group of people has spent so much money, and so much time trying to amp up their moral superiority.

And this is why we can't have nice things... People never remember the vegans who quietly go about their business, making their own choices and letting others make theirs. Nope, they remember the loud mouthed, militant vegans with superiority complexes who go round ramming their beliefs down everyone else's throats and they assume we are all jerks.

Plus OP isn't even vegan so I'm calling shenanigans, he's just trying to make us all look like douchenozzles.

I feel really bad for the vegans and vegetarians that are actually cool. To all you cool ones out there......:flowerforyou:

Actually, he is making meat eaters look bad - he is neither a vegetarian or a vegan...you may have missed the revaluation that he actually eats meat..obviously not strong willed enough to actually act upon his extremely loud convictions - or maybe they just aren't that important

Please don't put words in my mouth. It was in reference to refraining from grains because machinery may have killed some creatures. Doing your best means if palm oil was taken from sources that you know destroyed habitats, try to find an oil that isn't. I obtain my vegetables from my dad's garden, I pick out the slugs and put them back outside. They might not survive but I tried my best to prevent the death, and that is a point. If you eat anything derived directly from animal exploitation you cannot describe your lifestyle as vegan. I haven't spent any money or energy trying to prove I'm better than anyone, as I said already my choices are my own and I never start the argument, but defend when provoked.

I find it highly ironic that you have a person who actually eats meat, preaching the benefits of not eating meat to people who do not eat meat.

Plus, it is also ironic that I, as an actual vegetarian (for 25 years), totally disagree with the whole 'we were not meant to eat meat look at our teeth' argument, but the meat eater does agree with it and therefore is doing something that by his own argument is 'unnatural'

This site baffled me sometimes.

Thanks, Sara for being a SMART vegetarian on MFP.

I'm officially done with OP. I can handle stupid, but I can't handle sexist comments. So I'm outta here.

I thought you would have been gone when I SYA. thankfully I found the way to have you leave. Only if it would work for the other lady now...

Sorry...you obviously have an issue with people disagreeing with you...or maybe based on your other comment, you just have an issue with women disagreeing with you.

I have no issues arguing with transgender either. So I am sorry about the husband comment. My bad!

Because no other group of people has spent so much money, and so much time trying to amp up their moral superiority.

And this is why we can't have nice things... People never remember the vegans who quietly go about their business, making their own choices and letting others make theirs. Nope, they remember the loud mouthed, militant vegans with superiority complexes who go round ramming their beliefs down everyone else's throats and they assume we are all jerks.

Plus OP isn't even vegan so I'm calling shenanigans, he's just trying to make us all look like douchenozzles.

I feel really bad for the vegans and vegetarians that are actually cool. To all you cool ones out there......:flowerforyou:

Actually, he is making meat eaters look bad - he is neither a vegetarian or a vegan...you may have missed the revaluation that he actually eats meat..obviously not strong willed enough to actually act upon his extremely loud convictions - or maybe they just aren't that important

That's true. But that's if you read all the pages. If not, it really looks bad for vegans/vegetarians. And he's gone on about similar things in other threads.

But yes, later on..he starts making meat eaters look bad...and then..he makes men look bad. Really..in one thread? I have to admit that takes some kind of talent there. lol

One of my favorite things about the veggie groups is that interested people can talk about what they want without any jokes or having to explain to people who don't understand. People who truly want to discuss among like-minded people can go talk there. Posting on the main boards is pretty much an invitation for these debates. (Actually, I think it would probably even fall under the group guideline stating that topics for only one group of people belong in the groups.) I'm not even sure why I'm here myself since I promised myself I'd avoid the vegan threads on the main boards. :blushing:

If you want to debate the merits of these diets, I encourage you as a vegan to just say that openly. Being a vegan is an important aspect of my identity, and I get tired of people making jokes about it or making assumptions about me just because I'm a vegan. But threads that are for "us only" on the main board that identify the vegan diet as superior gives people the motivation to make those jokes or assumptions. (Not that you are responsible for them, as of course they are responsible for themselves.) When someone invites vegans and vegetarians into a thread, and we come in and are embarrassed by the tone, most will speak up to challenge in order to avoid reinforcing all the stereotypes already out there.

There are more things to be superior in than just physical competitions. You really need to calm down and open your eyes. Holding a world strength record doesn't make you "the best human being on the planet". For all you know there could be people who are more physically superior who don't compete. And there are other areas to be superior in.

I am not the one claiming that a specific diet is the way humans were meant to eat either. However, the OP (as well as many of Veganism's proponents) have tried to do just that. Since all of the getting slapped down by evolutionary science hasn't slowed their roll, about the only thing left to do is point out the obvious, which is what I have been doing.

I'm veg, but I'm also a biologist. We are designed to be omnivores as are bears and dogs. Cats are obligate carnivores so they do not fit into your argument. I don't eat meat because I view is as something unnecessary and I'm trying to lower my carbon foot print. I still wear leather and I still feed my cat meat and, yes, I am perfectly aware of where those products come from.

Thank you :flowerforyou:

Especially for feeding your cat meat because I've heard a few stories from various sources (vets, vet techs, random people) about people who try to turn their cats vegan. Not good.