Cardio doesn't burn fat!!!
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actually there should be a mixture of cardio and weight training, i'm over 200lbs if weight training were my only form of exercise i'd look like a beefed up man. no thanks :indifferent:
Untrue. You lack the testosterone to bulk, especially when you have a caloric deficit. People don`t accidentally look like fitness models.
Some women have higher levels of testosterone and can certainly bulk up, even without a high calorie intake. I came across a picture of me 20 yrs ago when I was lifting, and I look like a linebacker! I was actually losing weight during that time, slowly, but it was coming off. I am very muscular, genetically, and it doesn't take much for my muscles to respond.
YEP. Women with PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrom) like me :grumble:
But I am on medication to level out my hormones. But I also don't want to be skinny, I want to be FIT. Muscle looks good. :bigsmile:0 -
All studies done on aerobics show that they don't significantly accelerate fat loss than dieting alone. Why then whenever someone wants to lose fat or "get abs" they jump on the elliptical and start swinging and sweating thinking it's a great idea?? The only benefit is basically allowing you to eat more food. That's it. I doubt they're doing it for the cardiovascular benefits either. So if by the end of the day you're at a caloric deficit, you will lose the same amount of fat with or without cardio.
Weight lifting on the other hand has been shown to accelerate fat loss by up to 50% than dieting alone or dieting and cardio. I really genuinely feel sad when I see someone doing an hour or two of cardio on my news feed, and it's for all the wrong reasons..
You did give me so etching to think about I think I might try more weight lifting thanks for your post.0 -
It may not be true in your case but even though you lost weight it could be a combination of fat and muscle. You may weigh less but have the same body fat %I do cardio so when zombies or a kidnapper chases after me, I can out run them. Seems beneficial to me.
yupp. I've lost 23 pounds in about 3 months, diet and cardio, no weight lifting...soo....yeah....I guess I'll keep dropping in weight but stay fat forever, cuz according to this guy I'm doing it wrong *rolls eyes*
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Some people (of which I am one) definitely don't enjoy exercise but that doesn't mean they don't appreciate the effect or benefit it will have on their overall sense of well-being.
Perhaps I am being a bit simplistic here but surely if lack of exercise results in weight gain then increasing exercise is very likely to result in weight loss? A big factor in the increasing levels of obesity in children is frequently quoted as being down to their more sedentary lifestyles and lack of aerobic activity isn't it?0 -
When I do work out it's usually 3 times a week and about 45 mins on the elliptical at a very fast pace. I haven't been able to do so lately because I've had a crash course to pass a state exam, and then had the flu for two weeks. Despite all this I've lost weight...I lose weight even when I don't exercise, oh and I never eat any calories lost back after a work out....
That being said, I'm mostly sedentary, and the cardio is pretty beneficial to my heart; last time I checked that's a pretty important muscle.0 -
actually there should be a mixture of cardio and weight training, i'm over 200lbs if weight training were my only form of exercise i'd look like a beefed up man. no thanks :indifferent:
Untrue. You lack the testosterone to bulk, especially when you have a caloric deficit. People don`t accidentally look like fitness models.
Some women have higher levels of testosterone and can certainly bulk up, even without a high calorie intake. I came across a picture of me 20 yrs ago when I was lifting, and I look like a linebacker! I was actually losing weight during that time, slowly, but it was coming off. I am very muscular, genetically, and it doesn't take much for my muscles to respond.
People are always saying "ladies don't bulk up" but I see plenty of women at the gym and group fitness instructors who look like men. Big, bulky calves, massive shoulders and backs, bulging arms and thighs. Not criticising, they look fit and healthy and obviously enjoy it. But as this poster says, the female linebacker does exist!0 -
I'm pretty sure it's aaaaall good.0
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Too bad the point of exercise isn't just about burning fat.0
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I too love how I feel after cardio!! I do light weights 1 or 2 week and still have lost weight , inches and feel awesome! we are all different and have different goals so to say cardio is not working is crazy!!0
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I think it's time to distinguish what "muscular" and "bulky" are in definitive terms.People are always saying "ladies don't bulk up" but I see plenty of women at the gym and group fitness instructors who look like men. Big, bulky calves, massive shoulders and backs, bulging arms and thighs. Not criticising, they look fit and healthy and obviously enjoy it. But as this poster says, the female linebacker does exist!
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Wow. I cant believe this is still going. To the person with the second slice of bacon... its gone.. i used my ninja skillz and took it. And just to be clear ninja skillz were not obtained by cardio or lifting0
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Calorie deficit burns. So more working out equals more calorie deficit. Do what you like and like what you do.
As for the bulking up stuff. Women as a whole (and this is a generalization) do not have enough testosterone to get real bumpy. Muscle not covered by fat will have definition. When we get right down to it why do we think muscular women are unattractive? The reason is, without sounding like a man hater cause I'm not, historically women were to be dominated by men. If the women were strong and muscular they would be harder to dominate. That alone is why we have thought over the years that muscular women were unattractive. So folks build up those muscles men and women both.
Do cardio to build up the strength of your heart, lift weights to build up the rest of your muscles. Go outside and play, play, play. Be the strongest and healthiest you, you can be. And why you are at it, have fun.0 -
I think I shall look to my dog for a moment, she eats well (as I feed her good food) and she does not lift any weights, her excersize consists purely of cardio. all she does is run and run and run (with some jumping thrown in) she is in great shape with fabulous muscles
ok now looking at me, a year ago I was a size 12, fat. now I am a size 4, skinny. I have nice lean muscles and I am healthy. in this year I did not lift any weights. I did some bodywieght excersizes such as pushups but for the most part my workouts have been purely cardio. I will add that my diet barely changed at all.
so in my own experience cardio = weight loss0 -
If the women were strong and muscular they would be harder to dominate.
Ding ding ding! Exactly why I lift. :laugh:0 -
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Fact: Cardio burns calories.
Fact: Strength training burns calories, and it burns more of them because of afterburn.
Fact: Calories can come from fat stores.
Fact: Fat does not turn into muscle. You burn fat and build muscle. But they are two different processes.
Fact: If you eat more calories than you burn, you won't lose weight.
Fact: Eating healthy food is better than eating junk food.
Fact: Moving is better than not moving.0 -
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actually there should be a mixture of cardio and weight training, i'm over 200lbs if weight training were my only form of exercise i'd look like a beefed up man. no thanks :indifferent:
Untrue. You lack the testosterone to bulk, especially when you have a caloric deficit. People don`t accidentally look like fitness models.
Women can't bulk. I'm so sick of this myth lol. Unless you pump full of steroids, you won't bulk like a man. You will preserve your muscle mass instead of burning it away and burn fat. Its working pretty well for me.
Lest anyone become confused, cardio and weighttraining both have its benefits. I do sympathize with the OP. I feel his post has been misunderstood and people are feeling attacked when he was not trying to attack.0 -
actually there should be a mixture of cardio and weight training, i'm over 200lbs if weight training were my only form of exercise i'd look like a beefed up man. no thanks :indifferent:
Untrue. You lack the testosterone to bulk, especially when you have a caloric deficit. People don`t accidentally look like fitness models.
Women can't bulk. I'm so sick of this myth lol. Unless you pump full of steroids, you won't bulk like a man. You will preserve your muscle mass instead of burning it away and burn fat. Its working pretty well for me.
Lest anyone become confused, cardio and weighttraining both have its benefits. I do sympathize with the OP. I feel his post has been misunderstood and people are feeling attacked when he was not trying to attack.
I think the issue here is the use of the term "bulky." Many women do not want the look of say, Jillian Michaels. I have definitely heard people describe her as bulky. Whereas many other women would describe her as toned or strong and really want that body type. In fact, there are several threads on MFP of women wanting to show their success and how weightlifting made them not bulky, and quite frankly the images they post are very healthy, very fit, but not how I ideally would want to look, simply because its not my personal preference. its the same way i might walk through a store and call a shirt ugly and the next woman behind me loves it. in fact, many of these fit, somewhat muscular women could be considered by some women to be a more muscular look than they want, causing them to use the word "bulky." Which opinion you have is totally up to the individual, I just really think that is where the disconnect stems from. A woman not taking testosterone is not going to get body builder type muscles, but a muscular woman with an attractive and healthy body might not be the look some woman want and might seem "bulky," same way someone might not want a certain hair color, body shape, height, etc....my two cents on that subject.0 -
actually there should be a mixture of cardio and weight training, i'm over 200lbs if weight training were my only form of exercise i'd look like a beefed up man. no thanks :indifferent:
Untrue. You lack the testosterone to bulk, especially when you have a caloric deficit. People don`t accidentally look like fitness models.
Women can't bulk. I'm so sick of this myth lol. Unless you pump full of steroids, you won't bulk like a man. You will preserve your muscle mass instead of burning it away and burn fat. Its working pretty well for me.
Lest anyone become confused, cardio and weighttraining both have its benefits. I do sympathize with the OP. I feel his post has been misunderstood and people are feeling attacked when he was not trying to attack.
I think the issue here is the use of the term "bulky." Many women do not want the look of say, Jillian Michaels. I have definitely heard people describe her as bulky. Whereas many other women would describe her as toned or strong and really want that body type. In fact, there are several threads on MFP of women wanting to show their success and how weightlifting made them not bulky, and quite frankly the images they post are very healthy, very fit, but not how I ideally would want to look, simply because its not my personal preference. its the same way i might walk through a store and call a shirt ugly and the next woman behind me loves it. in fact, many of these fit, somewhat muscular women could be considered by some women to be a more muscular look than they want, causing them to use the word "bulky." Which opinion you have is totally up to the individual, I just really think that is where the disconnect stems from. A woman not taking testosterone is not going to get body builder type muscles, but a muscular woman with an attractive and healthy body might not be the look some woman want and might seem "bulky," same way someone might not want a certain hair color, body shape, height, etc....my two cents on that subject.
I think you are right. Terminology does seem to be a fluid confusing factor in the age old argument. Hehe. :laugh:0 -
Family of two Tahoes here. I wouldn't buy a Ford if I worked for them and got a discount.Im pretty new on MFP, but, this post reminds me of Ford versus Chevy arguments.
Chevy, every time0 -
Wow. I cant believe this is still going. To the person with the second slice of bacon... its gone.. i used my ninja skillz and took it. And just to be clear ninja skillz were not obtained by cardio or lifting
I was wondering what happened. It is all good. I had a cinnamon roll for breakfast.
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This thread isn't about the knocking the cardiovascular benefits of it... it's saying that it isn't nearly as effective from a fat loss perspective, which is true. People get really jumpy around here real fast....
Look to all the top fitness, physique, bodybuilding competitors... it wasn't built by cardio, it was built through resistance training.0 -
This thread isn't about the knocking the cardiovascular benefits of it... it's saying that it isn't nearly as effective from a fat loss perspective, which is true. People get really jumpy around here real fast....
Look to all the top fitness, physique, bodybuilding competitors... it wasn't built by cardio, it was built through resistance training.
No, the OP has consistently made the point that in his opinion no one actually cares about the health benefits and people only do it so they can eat more.
This whole thread has been a massive troll.0 -
I think it's time to distinguish what "muscular" and "bulky" are in definitive terms.People are always saying "ladies don't bulk up" but I see plenty of women at the gym and group fitness instructors who look like men. Big, bulky calves, massive shoulders and backs, bulging arms and thighs. Not criticising, they look fit and healthy and obviously enjoy it. But as this poster says, the female linebacker does exist!
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/511229--bulky-vs-muscular-the-real-definition?hl=bulky+vs+muscular
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THANK YOU! This defines it perfectly. When the first lady posted that because she was still over 200 pounds and didn't want to get 'bulky' that is exactly what she was talking about. Women at a lower body fat don't get bulky, they get muscular, but if you have a nice layer of fat on top of the muscles, then you look bulky, especially in clothes.
When I was 150 and very muscular, I still had too much body fat in my upper body. When I was in the gym and lifting, I looked pretty good, but to see me fully clothed, I just looked large. For the average woman, lifting when you still have a slightly higher body fat% would be ok, but for those who are built like I am, (inverted triangle is the official shape I just found out), I carry any extra body fat in my short waist and upper body. I also have a lot of muscle mass, that responds quickly to weights. I know some people hate to hear people say that, but it is true for some of us.
Back in my lifting days, I didn't really mind too much, because I just loved how strong I was and how my muscles looked. But people who saw me in a sports bra in the gym for the first time were shocked to see that I looked completely different than when fully clothed.
I can certainly understand why some women are a bit hesitant to start lifting heavy until they get closer to a healthy BF%. I would suggest moderate weights and cardio for them until they get leaner, but that is just my opinion.
I have injuries that prevent me from lifting heavy now, but just from riding my recumbent bike 3 days a week, my quads, hams, and calves have strengthened back up quickly. I don't carry any extra fat in my legs, so my quads already have the split again and my calves are cut like crazy.
At 190 now, if I were able to do upper body training, I would look massive fairly quickly.
I'm not saying that is a bad thing, just perhaps not a look that someone else might want to have.0 -
This thread isn't about the knocking the cardiovascular benefits of it... it's saying that it isn't nearly as effective from a fat loss perspective, which is true. People get really jumpy around here real fast....
Look to all the top fitness, physique, bodybuilding competitors... it wasn't built by cardio, it was built through resistance training.
No, the OP has consistently made the point that in his opinion no one actually cares about the health benefits and people only do it so they can eat more.
This whole thread has been a massive troll.
I would say the majority of the general population do not do cardio for cardiovascular benefits as well... they do it because they think it will help drop weight more rapidly. HOWEVER, keep in mind we are on a forum littered with individuals who have goals that are far above your typical person. Therefore, there will be people that you come across who use it as a tool to increase general health. OP is speaking in generalization, and people cannot understand this.0 -
The only benefit is basically allowing you to eat more food. That's it. I doubt they're doing it for the cardiovascular benefits either.
Uh... I like eating more food. That's a benefit worth working for in my book.
And I DO care about the cardiovascular benefits.
I also really care about endurance, because of my plans to hike a big chunk of the Appalachian Trail this summer. Cardio is necessary to condition myself to achieve this goal. If I did nothing but heavy lifting, I'd be toast on the trail.
I don't care if cardio burns fat, as I am not trying to burn more fat. I'm happy with my body composition.
Different people have different goals. Why not live and let live? :flowerforyou:
Thanks, though!0 -
This thread isn't about the knocking the cardiovascular benefits of it... it's saying that it isn't nearly as effective from a fat loss perspective, which is true. People get really jumpy around here real fast....
Look to all the top fitness, physique, bodybuilding competitors... it wasn't built by cardio, it was built through resistance training.
CARDIO DOES BURN FAT. And cardio DOESN'T burn fat. It depends on how it is done.
Three ways it burns fat. . .
1. Interval cardio with HIIT: (ie walk, jog, run, repeat) for 20 - 30 minutes
2. Fasted cardio such as first thing in the morning after an overnight fast and before breakfast: When done on an empty stomach your body uses fat stores as energy (some say this is controversial).
4. After a weight lifting session which mostly burns carbs and calories, you then do cardio to burn fat.
A way that cardio DOES NOT burn fat is through long slow cardio. This has many benefits, but fat-burning is not one of them.
All cardio releases endorphins and seratonin (feel good hormones). Makes you sleep better the natural way and is better than an anti-depressant pill (for most people who are not suffering from chronic or severe depression as I can't comment on that. It is case by case no doubt).0 -
If anyone can show me a single reliable scientific study showing that aerobics help burn significantly more fat than dieting alone, I'll never make another forum post ever again. Srs.
From the National Library of Medicine http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_132293.html
Study by the Journal of Applied Physiology http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/17/cardio-burns-more-fat-than-weight-lifting/
You guys should read this article. Some excerpts:
Researchers enrolled 234 overweight or obese adults in the study. Participants were randomly assigned to one of three exercise training groups: resistance training (three days per week of weight lifting, three sets per day, 8-12 repetitions per set), aerobic training (approximately 12 miles per week), or aerobic plus resistance training (three days a week, three set per day, 8-12 repetitions per set for resistance training, plus approximately 12 miles per week of aerobic exercise).
"No one type of exercise will be best for every health benefit," Willis added. "However, it might be time to reconsider the conventional wisdom that resistance training alone can induce changes in body mass or fat mass due to an increase in metabolism, as our study found no change."
The groups assigned to aerobic training and aerobic plus resistance training lost more weight than those who did just resistance training. The resistance training group actually gained weight due to an increase in lean body mass.
Duke researchers added that exercise recommendations are age-specific. For older adults experiencing muscle atrophy, studies have found resistance training to be beneficial. However, younger, healthy adults or those looking to lose weight would see better results doing aerobic training.
"Balancing time commitments against health benefits, our study suggests that aerobic exercise is the best option for reducing fat mass and body mass," said Cris A. Slentz, PhD, a Duke exercise physiologist and study co-author. "It's not that resistance training isn't good for you; it's just not very good at burning fat."0
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