Don't eat proteins and carbs in the same meal?
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They Hay Diet was developed in the 1920's. It was one of several food-combining diets. These have been the subject of one peer-reviewed randomized clinical trial, which found no benefit from the diet in terms of weight loss.
"In summary at identical energy intake and similar substrate composition, the dissociated (or 'food combining') diet did not bring any additional loss in weight and body fat."
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If my memory serves me correctly, separating carbs from protein in eating, was for those who couldn't cope with digesting carbs and proteins at the same time. This style of eating can really help some people a lot.0
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The majority of the people here as harsh as it may sound are right. I've lost over 100 pounds and am now maintaining between 7-10g%bf it really is about balance ! The right amount of calorie,the right type of calories consumed, not all calories are created equal, you need to watch and keep up steady on a consistent change of eating habits,it's a lifestyle change, & I agree I vary up and down up to 4 pounds alone due to water retention or dehydration, you need to stop diet hopping and learn more about nutrition as a whole,combined with cardio you should lose weight.0
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Most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.0
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If you try something and it works for you I say stick with it. It is like exercise equipments. There are many different kinds but not one works for everyone. So you have to find the one that works for you. I say if you are exercise regular and burning a lot of calories 1800 calories might not be enough. If you don't take in enough calories your body will go in to starvation mode and it might be just as easy as adding some calorie intake to boost your body. But as I said at the end of the day if it works for you stick with it!0
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I say if it works for you--power to ya!
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I don't think people are trying to be mean, I just think they are saying that it's about calories in/ calories out. Eat 3500 calorie less per week and you will lose one pound. It doesn't matter what food combinations or diets you choose. Whatever you do to lose weight, try to make it a life long way of eating...not a diet. Best of luck to you!0
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Maybe because you keep defending the OP and by proxy are perpetuating the food combining myth? Whatever, I'm off to Dennys for a Bacon Sundae.
What "food combining myth"? If someone wants to combine their food, why do you care? The OP didn't ask anyone else to do it.
You're totally missing the point, but that's fine.0 -
In my opinion this diet makes a mountain out of a mole hill.. To much hassle.. However having said that, If it works for you and your getting enough calories (Not starving yourself). Stick with it! Better to be doing this than eating like a slob! 0
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In to read in the morning.
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Since when did maintaining a calorie deficit become obsolete. Oh thats right, a calorie deficit requires sacrifice and will power, not magic and the hopes of losing tons of weight in a month or two with some "special" diet.
What's really interesting about this is that the these diets always seem so much more complicated and harder to do than just trying to eat at a calorie deficit. They're always more restrictive about what one can eat and harder to keep up with. With all the time and energy devoted to trying to follow a fad diet, you'd think they could just watch calories.0 -
TracyG - I have never heard of the diet but I have heard of "food combining". I read the first page of comments & thought "wow, such negativity & sarcasm". I didn't even read any more of the comments because I was getting irritated so I can just imagine how you feel. You came here with a simple question & got slammed. I'm sorry for that! If this is working for you - yea. I am just trying to eat foods that will meet my nutrient & caloric needs & trying to eat as clean as possible. Continue with what works for you & just read as much as you can about the diet & its pros & cons. Best of luck to you on your journey!!0
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Since when did maintaining a calorie deficit become obsolete. Oh thats right, a calorie deficit requires sacrifice and will power, not magic and the hopes of losing tons of weight in a month or two with some "special" diet.
What's really interesting about this is that the these diets always seem so much more complicated and harder to do than just trying to eat at a calorie deficit. They're always more restrictive about what one can eat and harder to keep up with. With all the time and energy devoted to trying to follow a fad diet, you'd think they could just watch calories.
Seriously, did any of you even read anything I have said? I have a calorie deficit.... how much lower do you all want it to be? 500? I exercise... how much more do you all want me to exercise? All day? I am not restricting what I eat.... just how I eat it. If I want an all protein meal... I will eat an all protein meal. If I want an all carb meal... I will eat an all carb meal. I find that it is easier to digest my food when I DON'T combine the two. So sorry that this thread has created so many "experts" that aren't happy unless they bash someone for not eating the way they do. I NEVER said that ANYONE should eat this way. All I wanted to know is if anyone else had tried it. I do appreciate the non-negative advice that has been given but it honestly is nothing I haven't tried before. I haven't been on a "fad" diet in at least 10 years, if not more. I don't consider this new way of eating for me a "fad". I am hoping for it to be a permanent change to my eating habits. I am in no way depriving my body of anything. So far my stomach has thanked me and the food doesn't just sit there like I ate a lead brick, which is how I feel if I combine protein and carbs. Oh and when I say carbs it is referring to starches and sugars. The other carbs can and will be eaten with protein, as well as the starches and sugars.0 -
This cattle farmer thought the "Hay" diet meant eating like a cow.
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They Hay Diet was developed in the 1920's. It was one of several food-combining diets. These have been the subject of one peer-reviewed randomized clinical trial, which found no benefit from the diet in terms of weight loss.
"In summary at identical energy intake and similar substrate composition, the dissociated (or 'food combining') diet did not bring any additional loss in weight and body fat."
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10805507
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This cattle farmer thought the "Hay" diet meant eating like a cow.
XD Yeah, I'm from Indiana, so at first read I thought it was eating like, fibrous veggies only. lol0 -
What if a food item contains carbs and protein - like most fruit and vegetables do?
Or her....not only cereal and milk that she mentioned she had together (which combines protein and carbs). But even just milk itself. GASP.0 -
Wow! Are snarky comments or what! If your happy doing this then do it, I'm not going to knock your diet choice because it's not the same as mine. If it works for you stick with it x
It's nice to see someone being supportive.
It seems like everyone eles is attacking this lady for asking a question.
I thought the forms we suppose to be supportive and helpful, but some people are so rude.
To the original poster: do what works for you. Best of luck!0 -
First of all, I'm glad that you are reaching out. I understand how seemingly unsuccessful weight loss can lead people to look for alternative strategies to lose weight faster. However, the fact of the matter is this: losing weight is simple. You need to burn more calories than you consume. That is it.And most of all, I KNOW my body and if I eat over 1800 calories a day... I gain weight. I have had my thyroid checked, it is fine. Not every body is the same regardless of what others think. I have a very slow metabolism but I am trying to boost it by doing strength training not just cardio, which I do also.
I said it was simple...but it is not easy. When you've lived your life eating poorly, it is hard to give up habits. Don't punish yourself with strict rules about when you can eat certain types of food. Don't punish your body by under-nourishing it. It appears that you've been doing that for a long time. Try to get a real number for your metabolic burn and try to live by it.
Before people can change their bodies, they often have to change the way they think about food and the way they think about weight loss. Look at your relationship with food. Is it a crutch when you are sad? Is it something that is a reward when you have success? Do you eat when you are bored? If so, ask yourself why. If you can change the relationship that you have with food to see it is as a form of sustenance like water or air rather than seeing it emotionally, then you can make a long-term change to the way you eat.
Long term weight loss and maintenance happens a pound or two at a time. It is important not to see weight loss as the be all and end all because, in reality, it is your health that is the be all and end all. Some people become devastated when the scale doesn't have a number that they want while losing weight. It often leads to binging and wild swings up and down.
Just keep consistent in your eating. Be honest with yourself with what you are eating and how much you are eating. Track both good days and bad ones.
This is a long term process that isn't about quick fixes like not combining foods. You will lose weight if you eat in a balanced way and keep your body moving. It isn't glamorous and the weight doesn't just fall off but, trust me, it is a lot easier to keep the weight off if you are eating in a sustainable and balanced way.0 -
I recently have started the Hay diet. Basically you eat protein with neutral foods but no starches/sugars and you eat starches/sugars with neutral foods but no protein. I have tried this for a couple of days and am already seeing the scale go down. I have had issues with losing weight and have been on many different diets.... Atkin's, Sugar busters, cabbage soup diet (thought I was gonna die with this one...lol), and have even lowered my calories to 1200 and still my weight didn't want to leave. I find that with the Hay diet I am more satisfied and my stomach doesn't give me grief like it would if I had meatloaf w/potatoes. For dinner last night, I enjoyed a baked potato with butter and a salad with onions, tomatoes and carrots with ranch dressing. I felt full and I felt like I cheated until I saw the scale this morning... it actually went down .2 lbs. Not to mention my midnight snack that was a bowl of cereal w/milk. I had my protein for lunch.
Protein takes 4 hours to digest and carbs take 2 hours to digest but when eaten together it can take up to 13 hours to digest. No wonder people get heartburn and upset stomachs when eating protein and starches together. I really find this an amazing way to eat and it's something that I believe I can stick with for life. Has anyone else tried this way of eating? If so, what have been your results and experiences from it?
I'm pretty sure that hot Italian men are eating spaghetti and meatballs together with no ill effects.0 -
They Hay Diet was developed in the 1920's. It was one of several food-combining diets. These have been the subject of one peer-reviewed randomized clinical trial, which found no benefit from the diet in terms of weight loss.
"In summary at identical energy intake and similar substrate composition, the dissociated (or 'food combining') diet did not bring any additional loss in weight and body fat."
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10805507
Excellent, thank you.
So in absence of conflicting data, this proves that food combining diets are bro-science. Or, as they say in the moving pictures, BS.
ETA - I had kahlua pork and mac salad for dinner tonight.0 -
This thread has gotten ridiculous. I feel bad for the OP, while I'm sure half of you are just trying to be helpful some are just down right being rude. Did some of you suddenly forget where you started and how many things you tried to just lose the weight? like I do agree she could eat more, not worry about food combining but she never asked anyone what we thought about it, she asked has anyone tried it...9 pages later. Geez0
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I had trouble losing weight no matter what I did. So I went to an exercise physiologist/nutritionist to be evaluated. My BMR was 1800 but I was doing weight watchers at 18 points (900 calories plus raw veggies at the time). I increased my calories and matched the time of day I USE the calories. I changed my exercise to more continuous cardio alternating days with strength training. That worked for me at the time but I got a hip injury and fell off the wagon. Now I'm ready to start again. As far as food goes, weigh and record everything so you are really accountable for what you eat. Sugar, fat, and salt creep in everywhere. I never did unusual food combining but it may work at first because change often is enough to make the scale move but I would doubt it would be more effective than a diet of lean protein, fruit and vegetables, nuts and legumes, healthy oils, and a moderate amount of whole grains over the long haul.
Good luck!
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I had trouble losing weight no matter what I did. So I went to an exercise physiologist/nutritionist to be evaluated. My BMR was 1800 but I was doing weight watchers at 18 points (900 calories plus raw veggies at the time). I increased my calories and matched the time of day I USE the calories. I changed my exercise to more continuous cardio alternating days with strength training. That worked for me at the time but I got a hip injury and fell off the wagon. Now I'm ready to start again. As far as food goes, weigh and record everything so you are really accountable for what you eat. Sugar, fat, and salt creep in everywhere. I never did unusual food combining but it may work at first because change often is enough to make the scale move but I would doubt it would be more effective than a diet of lean protein, fruit and vegetables, nuts and legumes, healthy oils, and a moderate amount of whole grains over the long haul.
Good luck!
Karen
WW only goes as low as 26 points. Plus you get extra weekly points and any points you earn from exercise. PLUS your fruits and veggies are zero points.0 -
To the OP, others have said it well that there is no scientific backup to the diet you've chosen to follow.
That said, weight loss isn't all about science, it sounds like you're eating healthy and it's working for you. So bravo. I hope it continues to do so.
Personally, I need to eat a balance of protein with carbs/starches or I turn into a miserable so and so.0 -
My BMI is UNDER what it should be because of the way I eat and take care of my body. I know I'm extremely healthy, and love the energy I get from the way I eat, work out and CLEANSE, yes, cleanse, on a routine basis.
If you can say the same, then great. If you can't, then maybe you should be a little more open-minded.
Putting aside the wisdom or otherwise of cleansing - why is it so great to be under your BMI??
The aim for most people should be to get within their healthy BMI range - yes I know body builders and the like will be healthy but have BMI's over of the range but that isnt most of us.
I dont think being underweight is healthy.
Also, whilst I understand where PP's are coming from telling OP if it works for her, that's great - that's fine in theory - but reality isn't that this is working for OP at all - she has just started on it and has lost 0.2 lb.
I know the aim of MFP is to lose weight slowly and steadily - but surely no-one could claim a 0.2lb loss is being successful.
As yet she doesnt really know whether it will work or not - let alone whether she can sustain it for long.
OP I wish you all the best with your weight loss journey - but I must agree with the others, this plan seems to be setting you up for failure, just like all the other unsustainable fad plans you have been on.0 -
NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN - disclaimer
OP, the people talking about deficits aren't trying to tell you to eat less. They're trying to point out that 1800 calories IS a deficit for you, and since you have a significant amount of weight to lose 2000 calories would probably still be a deficit. By switching to this Hays diet you have begun eating at a reasonable deficit instead of trying to starve your weight off.
If you begin losing weight at 1800 calories, it is because 1800 calories is a reasonable deficit that isn't overly stressing your body. There's really no need to stress yourself over separating types of foods.0 -
i haven't tried but i am curious to try it out. The way ones eat plays an important role. With less calories too a person can feel full depending upon if he is eating the right food.0
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I eat proteins and carbs together and I've lost almost 40 pounds since May of last year. Am I a special snowflake then?
I'm a special snowflake. I've lost 50lbs since mid-April (started at 375, no crazy fad, just making good choices and eating balanced). Shockingly, I almost always eat carbs with proteins, much as I'd sometimes like to just eat ALL the steak.
OP is not eating cereal with milk mixing carbs and protein?
Edit: Doh! Didn't realize this was such an old thread when I posted.0
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