You Should Study Nutrition - The Other Perspective

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  • leighann881
    leighann881 Posts: 371

    There is a false dichotomy going on in many of these discussions. There is a huge area of convergence in the middle between many approaches - both conventional and alternative - that always seems to get overlooked.

    ^This
  • April_Christine
    April_Christine Posts: 66 Member
    Funny...why is everyone argiung their points about the way a person should eat??? If you like to eat junk eat junk...if you like to eat clean eat clean....and if you like a happy medium than do it!! If you dont want to learn about eating clean dont read the post/dont respond to the post...if you are not an advocate of eating processed foods...stay away from the posts that talk about it.

    Geesh....now EVERYONE go workout!!! :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    Funny...why is everyone argiung their points about the way a person should eat??? If you like to eat junk eat junk...if you like to eat clean eat clean....and if you like a happy medium than do it!! If you dont want to learn about eating clean dont read the post/dont respond to the post...if you are not an advocate of eating processed foods...stay away from the posts that talk about it.

    Geesh....now EVERYONE go workout!!! :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:

    :drinker:
  • ron2e
    ron2e Posts: 606

    I don't think mice are affected by the placebo effect.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22818235


    So where is the 1 million dollar prize you speak of? Do I collect it through you?

    http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/jref-news/1208-feb5video.html


    And mice and other animals are affected by the placebo effect, this is proven science if you cared to look. Certainly more research should be put into the placebo effect but it is psychological and not physiological seemingly, but again the power of the mind is incredible.

    My wife believes in homeopathy, I don't. She takes a homeopathic remedy, sometimes it appears to work on her though this is purely anecdotal. I take a homeopathic remedy, it doesn't work.

    She has a headache and takes paracetamol, it works. I have a headache and take paracetamol, it works. Spot the difference.

    I know that's not all there is to it and there is a lot of unexplained stuff about but sorry I want anything I take to have been tested in a properly conducted and peer reviewed clinical trial (Yes I know the pharma companies often muddy the waters and twist the results but they are usually found out in the end) not someone's opinion of what seemed to work on someone else, particularly if it is something they are selling. I am fed up hearing doctors who, in the UK at least, put a hell of a lot of time into learning their profession and who generally are vocational rather than working for money, called into question. They may not have all the answers but they are the BEST we have.Call me a sceptic if you will :wink: Open your mind.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Lol strong "starting point" links
  • judydelo1
    judydelo1 Posts: 281 Member

    I don't think mice are affected by the placebo effect.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22818235


    So where is the 1 million dollar prize you speak of? Do I collect it through you?

    http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/jref-news/1208-feb5video.html


    And mice and other animals are affected by the placebo effect, this is proven science if you cared to look. Certainly more research should be put into the placebo effect but it is psychological and not physiological seemingly, but again the power of the mind is incredible.

    My wife believes in homeopathy, I don't. She takes a homeopathic remedy, sometimes it appears to work on her though this is purely anecdotal. I take a homeopathic remedy, it doesn't work.

    She has a headache and takes paracetamol, it works. I have a headache and take paracetamol, it works. Spot the difference.

    I know that's not all there is to it and there is a lot of unexplained stuff about but sorry I want anything I take to have been tested in a properly conducted and peer reviewed clinical trial (Yes I know the pharma companies often muddy the waters and twist the results but they are usually found out in the end) not someone's opinion of what seemed to work on someone else, particularly if it is something they are selling. I am fed up hearing doctors who, in the UK at least, put a hell of a lot of time into learning their profession and who generally are vocational rather than working for money, called into question. They may not have all the answers but they are the BEST we have.Call me a sceptic if you will :wink: Open your mind.


    THis is what you wrote: "Take homeopathy for example, it has no scientific basis, and there has been no controlled study which shows it is effective, indeed there is a $1 million prize available for anyone who can prove it works in controlled conditions. Strangely not a single homeopath has taken up the challenge. " I showed you one study that proved homeopathy works in controlled conditions. I want my 1 million.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    Lol strong "starting point" links

    perhaps you'd like this one instead? http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/937837--coachreddy
  • sweetzoejane
    sweetzoejane Posts: 153 Member
    What is your definition of "research"? Is that browsing the internet for any site that will tell them something convincing? Giving them links to sites that only provide one opinion and asking them to read that opinion over and over until they believe it? Do tell.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    What is your definition of "research"? Is that browsing the internet for any site that will tell them something convincing? Giving them links to sites that only provide one opinion and asking them to read that opinion over and over until they believe it? Do tell.

    this thread was a response to http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/937732-you-should-study-nutrition-because
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member

    I don't think mice are affected by the placebo effect.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22818235


    So where is the 1 million dollar prize you speak of? Do I collect it through you?

    http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/jref-news/1208-feb5video.html


    And mice and other animals are affected by the placebo effect, this is proven science if you cared to look. Certainly more research should be put into the placebo effect but it is psychological and not physiological seemingly, but again the power of the mind is incredible.

    My wife believes in homeopathy, I don't. She takes a homeopathic remedy, sometimes it appears to work on her though this is purely anecdotal. I take a homeopathic remedy, it doesn't work.

    She has a headache and takes paracetamol, it works. I have a headache and take paracetamol, it works. Spot the difference.

    I know that's not all there is to it and there is a lot of unexplained stuff about but sorry I want anything I take to have been tested in a properly conducted and peer reviewed clinical trial (Yes I know the pharma companies often muddy the waters and twist the results but they are usually found out in the end) not someone's opinion of what seemed to work on someone else, particularly if it is something they are selling. I am fed up hearing doctors who, in the UK at least, put a hell of a lot of time into learning their profession and who generally are vocational rather than working for money, called into question. They may not have all the answers but they are the BEST we have.Call me a sceptic if you will :wink: Open your mind.


    THis is what you wrote: "Take homeopathy for example, it has no scientific basis, and there has been no controlled study which shows it is effective, indeed there is a $1 million prize available for anyone who can prove it works in controlled conditions. Strangely not a single homeopath has taken up the challenge. " I showed you one study that proved homeopathy works in controlled conditions. I want my 1 million.

    Strong reading comprehension.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    http://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/homeopathy-not-good-not-medicine/
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    What is your definition of "research"? Is that browsing the internet for any site that will tell them something convincing? Giving them links to sites that only provide one opinion and asking them to read that opinion over and over until they believe it? Do tell.

    this thread was a response to http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/937732-you-should-study-nutrition-because

    Last I checked Alan and Martin are always involved in research. More importantly than that, they've produced results in terms of the clients they work with.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/category/naturopathy/
  • Defren
    Defren Posts: 216 Member
    I agree with you, but I have to wonder why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction opposing understanding nutrition, how the body works and removing unhealthy choices from how we eat? It's like folks want to eat pop tarts and feel smug about it?

    that's exactly what it is, and no - i don't understand it either.

    On the other hand, I don't know why there's this automatic knee jerk reaction that opposes moderation. It's like people want to be super restrictive and feel smug about it......

    Some of us have no choice but to be restrictive due to health issues, I am one of those people. However, it's unfair to say we are smug, I am not in the slightest smug, nor do I try to push my diet onto anyone else. I am happy to discuss my diet and share tips and help if I can, but you are lumping an entire group of people into one bracket, and sometimes for invalid reasons. I eat Primal, I have lost over 100 pounds in just one year, and feel great. It would mean a great deal to me as a person if just one other person felt the same way I do and I had been party to helping them feel that way. However, pushing my lifestyle onto anyone is not what I do - ever!
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    What is your definition of "research"? Is that browsing the internet for any site that will tell them something convincing? Giving them links to sites that only provide one opinion and asking them to read that opinion over and over until they believe it? Do tell.

    this thread was a response to http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/937732-you-should-study-nutrition-because

    Last I checked Alan and Martin are always involved in research. More importantly than that, they've produced results in terms of the clients they work with.

    lol my own digestive health is a result of having read Jonathan Wright's work... and I have also produced results in my clients... so...
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/category/naturopathy/

    why don't you make your own thread? that way you can talk about your perspective, and people can make whatever choice they want?
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/category/naturopathy/

    why don't you make your own thread? that way you can talk about your perspective, and people can make whatever choice they want?

    god forbid someone should post opposing viewpoints in a thread
  • sweetzoejane
    sweetzoejane Posts: 153 Member
    What is your definition of "research"? Is that browsing the internet for any site that will tell them something convincing? Giving them links to sites that only provide one opinion and asking them to read that opinion over and over until they believe it? Do tell.

    this thread was a response to http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/937732-you-should-study-nutrition-because

    Last I checked Alan and Martin are always involved in research. More importantly than that, they've produced results in terms of the clients they work with.

    lol my own digestive health is a result of having read Jonathan Wright's work... and I have also produced results in my clients... so...

    So, anecdotal evidence is your definition of "research"? Because something works for you and for a few clients, it is either the only or best approach to something?
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    What is your definition of "research"? Is that browsing the internet for any site that will tell them something convincing? Giving them links to sites that only provide one opinion and asking them to read that opinion over and over until they believe it? Do tell.

    this thread was a response to http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/937732-you-should-study-nutrition-because

    Last I checked Alan and Martin are always involved in research. More importantly than that, they've produced results in terms of the clients they work with.

    lol my own digestive health is a result of having read Jonathan Wright's work... and I have also produced results in my clients... so...

    So, anecdotal evidence is your definition of "research"? Because something works for you and for a few clients, it is either the only or best approach to something?

    where did I say that? you're extrapolating something I never said or hinted at. what I do works for me, and works for my clients. if you don't think it would work for you that's your prerogative! :smile:
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/category/naturopathy/

    why don't you make your own thread? that way you can talk about your perspective, and people can make whatever choice they want?

    god forbid someone should post opposing viewpoints in a thread

    you don't offer your own viewpoints, you offer other peoples' viewpoints with the occasional "lol" thrown in for good measure.

    here you go: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/937837--coachreddy
  • nokanjaijo
    nokanjaijo Posts: 466 Member

    THis is what you wrote: "Take homeopathy for example, it has no scientific basis, and there has been no controlled study which shows it is effective, indeed there is a $1 million prize available for anyone who can prove it works in controlled conditions. Strangely not a single homeopath has taken up the challenge. " I showed you one study that proved homeopathy works in controlled conditions. I want my 1 million.

    He was inaccurate to say there has never been a controlled experiment with such results. But you don't get the million dollars.

    A study done by homeopathy specialists on a whopping total of 24 mice and published in Homeopathy magazine isn't proof.

    Randi's organization has to agree on the protocol before hand and be present for the experiment.

    That million dollars IS up for grabs and nobody has claimed it.
  • sweetzoejane
    sweetzoejane Posts: 153 Member
    Oh ok, I see now. You want everyone to do as you have done and offer their own viewpoints that are not supported by science, actual research, or fundamentals of nutrition, and ask that everyone believe without question.

    I would rather not participate.
  • april1445
    april1445 Posts: 334
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    vicrandom Posts: 80 Member
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  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    Oh ok, I see now. You want everyone to do as you have done and offer their own viewpoints that are not supported by science, actual research, or fundamentals of nutrition, and ask that everyone believe without question.

    I would rather not participate.

    *sigh* ok.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
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  • haroon_awan
    haroon_awan Posts: 1,208 Member
    A BeachBody coach does not "take on clients" when he is an unqualified and inexperienced personal trainer who merely invites them to join a website in order to get free advise. I presume you are in this category.

    A personal trainer with the qualifications and experience who charges individuals for training, nutrition and supplementation advise is someone who takes on clients.
  • wareagle8706
    wareagle8706 Posts: 1,090 Member
    When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. wink:

    I hope that if you take on "clients" you aren't giving them nutrition advice seeing as how your profile says you're only a BeachBody Coach. This does not qualify you to be giving anyone nutrition advice. Even personal trainer's with only a PT certification shouldn't be giving nutrition advice.
  • redladywitch
    redladywitch Posts: 799 Member
    OP-Since I've been on MFP (5 months), I've noticed that you are defensive a lot, argue a lot, make snarky remarks a lot, pick at quite a few comments, etc. Are you alright? I mean, it doesn't add to your credibility in my eyes. My mother used to say that you can attract more bees with honey than with vinegar. Now I realize that you may have a sharp toned response to my comments. If that's what you feel is best, then go for it. I'm just trying to help you out.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    When I take on clients I make them do ridiculous amounts of research. Its not enough for me to just summarize things to them. wink:

    I hope that if you take on "clients" you aren't giving them nutrition advice seeing as how your profile says you're only a BeachBody Coach. This does not qualify you to be giving anyone nutrition advice. Even personal trainer's with only a PT certification shouldn't be giving nutrition advice.

    I'll absolutely respond to this stuff because it's a legitimate point. What IS my credibility?

    - a little over a year ago I decided to get my health back on track because I was dealing with a health issue that resulted from not taking good care of myself
    - I decided to start doing P90X again after having done it for 6 months a couple years ago.
    - I signed up as a Coach to get discounts
    - I started doing a little reading and suddenly got completely engrossed in everything nutrition. Being a BB coach to me became more than discounts, it became a way to help people while I couldn't audition/work in the field I'm trained in due to the health issue (I'm an actor)
    - I started posting on the beachbody forums and people began asking me to coach them because they appreciated my insights and liked my perspective, and felt that I knew what I was talking about. This is the way I developed a client base. I did NOT do it the way they tell you to in MLM "school". I didn't make big lists and go on big cold-calling binges. That's NOT my style and I have NO interest in manipulating or scamming people. I never have. This was just an outlet for me to help other people.
    - I eventually developed a base of more than 100 clients whom I worked with to achieve varying levels of success. I've had clients lose over 100 pounds who are now good friends.
    - Throughout all this time my love for nutrition - specifically clean eating and holistic nutrition - deepened because the doctors I was seeing for my issue couldn't help me. They kept throwing up their arms saying "well... maybe it's this, maybe it's that".

    Since science and medicine couldn't help me, I realized that I would have to take control of my own health and my own life, if things were going to get better. So I did. By following natural recommendations I found through my research, I've managed to cure my condition when doctors couldn't do it. That showed me that there is VALUE in looking at all alternatives. Value in looking at things that other people will call ridiculous.

    I truly believe that you can heal your body from whatever ails you with food. I still believe doctors have value. I still believe science has value. But my personal experiences, along with the results I've seen in my clients after passing on all that information, have formed my viewpoints. I am now planning on officially getting my PT certification in the coming months along with getting a nutrition certification because I realize that people want to see letters after your name. But just know that that's all they are. Just letters. You can possess the knowledge whether you've got them or not.

    If this isn't good enough for you, put me on ignore. If you think I may have something of value to contribute, then don't.
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