Ketogenic Diet
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Hahaha Not really, I started at 1900 calories and as I lose more weight, I have lowered my caloric intake. I Plan on staying at 1300 caloires a day, till I reach my goal weight.Actually no I havent' been on the diet yet, I plan to have my first Ketogenic meal tonight . I defintaly have the metalic taste in my mouth right now, however I gonna be gone for the weekend on a cabin trip, so I most certainly wont have the benifits for long.
I adjusted my diet goals today, and your right I can't have the shakes. I'm keeping one of them but that's it. Ill be over by a couple grams of carbs tonight but not much, I'm shooting for 5%. Thanks for taking the time to look at my diary! I appreciate it!
Aren't you starving on 1300 calories?
And then what? jfc, that's a horrible idea0 -
Just like you can't disagree that most people jumping on ANY diet without researching it are looking for a quick fix.you can't disagree that most people jump on the keto bandwagon looking for a quick fix.
My problem is people that make sweeping generalization about ketogenic diets, and especially those that are quick to dissuade people from using them are actually part of the problem with ignorance about proper nutrition on the diet.
Without realizing it many people that are adverse to the diet perpetuate the myth that it's all "meat, fat with no vegetables or fruit" ... As such, that idea still exists in much of the world, when it is a very inaccurate portrayal of a proper ketogenic diet.
Ask the majority of people what "Atkins" diet is, and they'll immediately picture a big ribeye steak or plate of bacon. Most people, when asked to picture an 'Atkins' or 'ketogenic' meal do NOT picture this:
Yet that is a ketogenic meal.
Now, when someone is desperate to lose weight, they might choose what they THINK is Atkins/Keto without having a clue what it really is. Instead of simply poo-pooing the diet, you should embrace it for those that want it, and teach the truth about it.
Also of note. . . you seem to think only a small segment of dieters has a 'metabolic disorder' ... Which likely isn't true.
Virtually ANY person who's had 20lbs or more of visceral body fat (fat in/around the organs) for more than two years has a metabolic disorder. The science on this is clear. Hopefully, with proper diet and exercise they can turn it around and have it not be permanent, but make no mistake ... the presence of that visceral adipose tissue for > 2 years does mean they have a metabolic disorder, and should diet as such.
If they're not genetically pre-disposed to diabetes and haven't done too much long-term damage they can likely reverse it, but not in all cases.
Even if someone doesn't have high blood glucose, I assure you that ANYONE with that kind of visceral adipose tissue HAS a metabolic disorder.
There are many experts now that think it's a shame we still diagnose Type II diabetes, pre-diabetes and metabolic-syndrome with glucose, as for these patients glucose is the LAST thing to be chronically elevated. Advanced lipid testing and insulin testing show the metabolic disorder YEARS before glucose does.0 -
in my experience most people who try keto end up bailing because it's too restrictive, and then gain all the weight back. if you can manage it successfully for the rest of your life, more power to you, but most people can't. so that means a large number of folks jumping on the Keto fad will end up having wasted their time and emotional energy once they rebound - which, like I said, happens to the majority of people who try it.i just want to point something out to you.
just because you are extremely well versed in your own nutritional needs does NOT mean everyone else who tries a keto diet is as well. MOST people who try it are looking for a "get skinny quick" scheme and ARE ignorant of the subject.
There are many who go on ZERO carb diets. Can keto be done safely? Obviously yes, since it's a treatment for metabolic disorders. But I think you need to be extremely clear when discussing Keto diets that there's a difference between low carb and no carb, and that there is a healthy way to do it and a not so healthy way. Carbs are NOT the enemy, and treating them as such creates a problem.come on, i didn't say you or anyone in this thread supported zero carb, and I never made sweeping generalizations about all keto-dieters. I said "most" and the "majority", which you seemed to agree with until the edit.
Let's face it - people who choose not to educate themselves are likely to fail long term in whatever program they follow. Anyone who has success on keto (or ANY program) and then goes back to the exact, same eating habits that caused them to gain weight in the first place, is not going to see long term success. This isn't a flaw in the diet though. The key is recognizing that this is a long-term issue that you have, and addressing it as a lifestyle change, and not as a short-term dietary change that you get to quit when you get to goal.
So what WAS the point of bringing up ZERO carb if you weren't implying that people on keto are doing that? It certainly seemed like that was your point.
How can you say that you aren't making sweeping generalizations? You say "in my experience" and then use that to apply to "most people who try keto". That is the virtually the definition of a sweeping generalization.
Perhaps you could try presenting your position with more facts and research, and fewer opinions and generalizations.0 -
I'm ketogenic but for me it's a permanent lifestyle, not a temporary "diet". It's not effective for people who just want to lose weight and then return to their previous lifestyle. The health improvements from this lifestyle have been absolutely miraculous and I will never ever go back to being sick and dying. No piece of bread is worth it.
Edit: thanks albertabeefy for the great discussion. The ketogenic lifestyle (used to cure illness inc obesity) has indeed been around for over 100 years, but we can't expect that all the MFP "experts" have bothered to really look at all the research and especially the results from doctors who actually TREATED obese patients.0 -
I have been in ketosis for a year. I have type 2 diabetes and PCOS. My macro ratio is 75% fat 20% protien 5% carb. I get the majority of my carbs from low glycemic vegetables.
I'm with Albert as being one of the most glucose intolerant people on MFP. Even a little bit of fruit will raise my blood glucose levels above acceptable levels. I can't even dream of eating bread in any amount. After losing 90 pounds I've been able to add back limited amounts of tomato.
I'm one of those diabetics that cannot do intermittent fasting. Keto controls the cravings and hunger but when it is time for a meal I have to eat like right now. I don't have to carb up after a workout. I wouldn't dare as my blood glucose rises all on its own after physical exertion. I make sure I have a meal with plenty of fat right before heading to the gym. It also tends to go up in the morning (dawn phenomenon). If I eat too many carbs in a meal, I am lethargic.
I still check the keto sticks occasionally. It usually registers trace or negative. Apparently my metabolism has learned just how much ketone I need and doesn't produce extra. I also drink a ton of water. I see no need to spend the money on a ketone meter. I know I'm in ketosis based on my diet and energy level.
My diabetes is completely under control with keto. I brought my A1c down to a 5.1 without any medication. I have since been placed on Metformin specifically for other PCOS symptoms. The medication has made very little impact on my glucose levels although it may be responsible for my being able to eat tomato again. I'm hoping that after another 100 pounds I can add back some fruit.
A ketogenic diet is completely sustainable. There is a world of wonderful foods that are low in carbohydrates that I can enjoy and discover. But, like any other plan, I have to watch calories and control portions. I only wish I had known about PCOS and a ketogenic diet when I was in my teens or early 20s. Perhaps I would have never reached 325 pounds.0 -
I'm on a ketogenic at the moment, and have lost 12lbs in the last 4 weeks. It is great - I don't snack because the food fills me up, in fact, for the first time in my life, I barely even think about food any more. We have evolved to live off fat, which is why our body can store it so well, and use it as fuel.
We didn't evolve to live on processed carbs and sugars, and before agriculturists selected grain plants that bear a lot of grains, they were just grass blowing in the wind. I get my 20ish gm of carbs from leafy greens and the like. It's funny that so many people will criticise eating this way, yet never said a word when I was stuffing myself with pizza, ice cream and beer.
I did a 2.5hr cycle ride last night, and didn't even feel hungry when I got home. On a carb-based diet I would be stuffing myself the minute I got in the door. Give it a go for a month if you would like to try it, do some reading on the net and go into it with an open mind.0 -
Hey its my first day at trying a ketogenic diet and the idea of being able to eat fatty meats and cheese sounds amazing. Still have a lot to learn and probably a tough time weening of the carb cravings but looking forward to seeing results.
Always welcome a friend add as long as your going to be positive about my choice.0 -
I came accross this and had to read as i was recently introduced to keto and decided to try it. gotta say am loving it then last week i had a break and ate a ton of carbs it did not take long for me to feel like crap and my RA to start to act up. i began back on keto 3 days ago and feel amazing. i go on a bike ride that can go anywhere from 2 hours to 4 hours and when i get home am not heading straight to the fridge in search of food i take my time in cooking my meal and feel great the rest of the day.
i gotta admit when i was first told about this i had my reservations as we are always taught that fat is "bad" my hubby wondered how this was going to be any different than what i have tried. i must admit that i lost my first 30 lbs doing something else which now am no longer able to afford keto is totally doable and am enjoying everything about it
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i gotta admit when i was first told about this i had my reservations as we are always taught that fat is "bad"
Yea, had a hard time wrapping my brain around using butter and whatnot when cooking but the chocolate/peanut butter fat bomb I just ate was *heavenly*
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Like a slightly modified Atkin's diet...doesn't sound healthy nor sustainable for long term (just my opinion)0
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Like a slightly modified Atkin's diet...doesn't sound healthy nor sustainable for long term (just my opinion)
Yo, iz you high?0 -
i gotta admit when i was first told about this i had my reservations as we are always taught that fat is "bad"
Yea, had a hard time wrapping my brain around using butter and whatnot when cooking but the chocolate/peanut butter fat bomb I just ate was *heavenly*
Love the fat bombs to me they taste like a peanut butter cup
and just made some wonderful oopsie bread yummy !!! 0 -
Like a slightly modified Atkin's diet...doesn't sound healthy nor sustainable for long term (just my opinion)
its obvious you have no idea what a ketogenic diet is.0 -
Like a slightly modified Atkin's diet...doesn't sound healthy nor sustainable for long term (just my opinion)
How are those DQ's Peanut Blaster Parfait and Houlihan's stuffed chicken on a heaping side of mashed potatoes working out for you?
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Like a slightly modified Atkin's diet...doesn't sound healthy nor sustainable for long term (just my opinion)
How are those DQ's Peanut Blaster Parfait and Houlihan's stuffed chicken on a heaping side of mashed potatoes working out for you?
Works quite well for me as well as my poptarts and icecream that i consume.0 -
Works quite well for me as well as my poptarts and icecream that i consume.
Yeah, you can get away with a lot of stuff when you're chemically enhanced.0 -
^Haha This guy bringing back Ali G! Love it!0
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Honestly though, I'm glad I started this thread. I've learned so much about the topic and the great stories that people are sharing of their success has been insperational. Love it0
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Works quite well for me as well as my poptarts and icecream that i consume.
Yeah, you can get away with a lot of stuff when you're chemically enhanced.
lmao chemically enhanced at 175 lbs?0 -
If this guy's chemically enhanced...
Hey, if you aren't chemically enhanced then take it as a compliment.
You aren't from Canada by chance, are ya?0 -
No I'm not Canadian, nor am I a world reknown athelete. I was eluding to the fact that anyone can consume ice cream and sweets etc. as long as it fits into your macro goals. Nutrition in not that complicated.
Things such as Keto, and other restrictive diets aren't really a necessity to elevate fat loss.
BTW why are you only eating 1,500 cals a day? You have a slow metabolism?0 -
OK my bad. I thought you were a well known troll from the Bodybuilding.com forums who is vehemently anti-keto.
The reason for posting Lance is that he did take steroids but doesn't look like the typical user (though he did take catabolic steroids).
I know keto isn't a "magic solution" for fat loss. I prefer it for several side-benefits. I don't wake up feeling all groggy as I normally do when consuming carbs. I feel more energetic (ordinarily I'd feel like a sloth) and a **** load of other reasons you've no doubt heard.
My question to you: have you tried it before you knocked it down? For the longest time I did 40/30/30 before I found keto and liked it more. Try both spectrums of the issue in question before you make a judgement call.
Why 1500 calories? BMR is 1800. Those "activity factor" multipliers are grossly overestimated. I'm largely inactive except for about 20-30 minutes of kettlebell workouts with bodyweight workouts. I don't need more than 1500. "Metabolism rate" is largely bull**** too. It's just an excuse to validify why a person is fat.0 -
[lmao chemically enhanced at 175 lbs?
I wish someone *would* accuse me of being chemically enhanced.
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OK my bad. I thought you were a well known troll from the Bodybuilding.com forums who is vehemently anti-keto.
The reason for posting Lance is that he did take steroids but doesn't look like the typical user (though he did take catabolic steroids).
I know keto isn't a "magic solution" for fat loss. I prefer it for several side-benefits. I don't wake up feeling all groggy as I normally do when consuming carbs. I feel more energetic (ordinarily I'd feel like a sloth) and a **** load of other reasons you've no doubt heard.
My question to you: have you tried it before you knocked it down? For the longest time I did 40/30/30 before I found keto and liked it more. Try both spectrums of the issue in question before you make a judgement call.
Why 1500 calories? BMR is 1800. Those "activity factor" multipliers are grossly overestimated. I'm largely inactive except for about 20-30 minutes of kettlebell workouts with bodyweight workouts. I don't need more than 1500. "Metabolism rate" is largely bull**** too. It's just an excuse to validify why a person is fat.
I have tried Keto and about every other thing out there. If you look at your diary you severly lack many nutrients, your fiber is at 0 everyday....I'm also going to assume your're lacking in the areas of potassium and other vitamins as well judging by the food choices.
If your BMR is 1800 that means you burn 1,800 calories doing absolutely nothing... you are not supposed to be eating below your BMR... that is how damage occurs to your metabolism if done for a long enough period of time. Eventually, you are going to reach a point where it'll become difficult to lose on 1500 cals. What then? Drop it even further....? You are supposed to be eating below your TDEE. The calculators themselves are not grosely overestimated.0 -
Maybe he is not putting his supplements on the calculator? I know I dont include mine.0
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OK my bad. I thought you were a well known troll from the Bodybuilding.com forums who is vehemently anti-keto.
The reason for posting Lance is that he did take steroids but doesn't look like the typical user (though he did take catabolic steroids).
I know keto isn't a "magic solution" for fat loss. I prefer it for several side-benefits. I don't wake up feeling all groggy as I normally do when consuming carbs. I feel more energetic (ordinarily I'd feel like a sloth) and a **** load of other reasons you've no doubt heard.
My question to you: have you tried it before you knocked it down? For the longest time I did 40/30/30 before I found keto and liked it more. Try both spectrums of the issue in question before you make a judgement call.
Why 1500 calories? BMR is 1800. Those "activity factor" multipliers are grossly overestimated. I'm largely inactive except for about 20-30 minutes of kettlebell workouts with bodyweight workouts. I don't need more than 1500. "Metabolism rate" is largely bull**** too. It's just an excuse to validify why a person is fat.
dude if your BMR is 1800 you should be eating at least that much, probably more.
can you explain why you think BMR is bull****?0 -
Were you sucessful at keto, did you actually get into the ketosis state? Many people "think" they're in keto, when they're not. Then they give up.I have tried Keto and about every other thing out there. If you look at your diary you severly lack many nutrients, your fiber is at 0 everyday....I'm also going to assume your're lacking in the areas of potassium and other vitamins as well judging by the food choices.
If your BMR is 1800 that means you burn 1,800 calories doing absolutely nothing... you are not supposed to be eating below your BMR... that is how damage occurs to your metabolism if done for a long enough period of time. Eventually, you are going to reach a point where it'll become difficult to lose on 1500 cals. What then? Drop it even further....? You are supposed to be eating below your TDEE. The calculators themselves are not grosely overestimated.
Not supposed to eat below BMR? Seriously? So you're telling me an obese, bed-ridden hospital patient (for example) shouldn't eat below BMR?
See my next comment about activity calculators being overestimated.
Re read my post. I did not say BMR is BS. What I said was the activity multiplier is grossly overestimated. Please see: http://rippedbody.jp/2011/10/23/how-to-calculate-leangains-macros/ a trainer/dietician who has multiple clients with positive results.dude if your BMR is 1800 you should be eating at least that much, probably more.
can you explain why you think BMR is bull****?
Specifically:
Scientific study links: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21178922If you’re planning on sticking to just 3 workouts a week, and have a desk job, and you are going to use my simplified counting rules then experience tells me you might want to be careful when doing this and make appropriate adjustments accordingly.
Activity multipliers usually screw people into setting calories way too high. I see it everyday on forums. People often over estimate their category.
Most people over-estimate the calories burned for exercise.
Before you throw out any more broscience, come back with links from actual medical studies.
Ding ding ding!Maybe he is not putting his supplements on the calculator? I know I dont include mine.
I'm eating about 500 grams of leafy green vegs (spinach, kale) as well as broccoli and brussel sprouts. As proof I'm eating enough vegs, I have firm, green colored poo.0 -
none of that explains why you eat below your BMR...0
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none of that explains why you eat below your BMR...
Then you are too dense to be helped.0 -
none of that explains why you eat below your BMR...
Then you are too dense to be helped.
lol really? you said you believe the activity calculators over-estimate, however that has nothing to do with your base metabolic rate, and does not answer why you eat below your BMR, which is how much you would burn in a comatose state.0
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